Honest debate: Libs...would the "AR15-pistol" w 10 Rd mag still be an "Assault Weapon"

[defcon4]

There is nothing in the Constitution that says your right to bear arms cannot be defined by laws. It's already happened and it will continue to happen.

...shall not be infringed.... Look it up what it means...

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Read it again. The operative part of the sentence is A Well Regulated Militia. This has nothing to do with hunting or home defense, it is about weapons to be used if a Federal Government becomes tirynacle or excessively oppressive. The Government has the right to remove certain classes of weapons from the unlicensed public. Remember the Thompson Machine Gun? That puppy sold in guns shows, gun shops and even street corners. They regulated it so that you needed a Firearms License to buy, own and store it. It was the original Assault Rifle. And it was the original civilian mass murder weapon of choice in the 1920s. It wasn't until the 1960s that it was under question. Before that, it was understood that military grade weapons were allowed by State Sponsored Militias but if a private citizen wanted one, they need the lowest for of Firearms License. The Founding Fathers really knew what they were doing when they wrote the 2 amendment. It's one thought, not two.

Wow, how many times we have to go through this. Read below:

From the founding of the country to 1934 the Second Amendment was understood by the populace and the Courts as it was intended to be by architects of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The National Firearms Act changed that in order to "fight" gang wars during the Prohibition era. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means that the people have the right to own contemporary weapons. Illustrated below:

"On May 8, 1792, Congress passed "[a]n act more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States" requiring:

[E]ach and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia...[and] every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein to contain not less than twenty-four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball: or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear, so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise, or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.[117]"
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Armed citizenry is supposed to be the militia.

 

[Chuz Life]

When are one of you libturds going to answer the question about what you are going to do about the countless MILLIONS of high capacity mags already in circulation? What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

 

[HappyJoy]

There is nothing in the Constitution that says your right to bear arms cannot be defined by laws. It's already happened and it will continue to happen.

...shall not be infringed.... Look it up what it means...

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Read it again. The operative part of the sentence is A Well Regulated Militia. This has nothing to do with hunting or home defense, it is about weapons to be used if a Federal Government becomes tirynacle or excessively oppressive. The Government has the right to remove certain classes of weapons from the unlicensed public. Remember the Thompson Machine Gun? That puppy sold in guns shows, gun shops and even street corners. They regulated it so that you needed a Firearms License to buy, own and store it. It was the original Assault Rifle. And it was the original civilian mass murder weapon of choice in the 1920s. It wasn't until the 1960s that it was under question. Before that, it was understood that military grade weapons were allowed by State Sponsored Militias but if a private citizen wanted one, they need the lowest for of Firearms License. The Founding Fathers really knew what they were doing when they wrote the 2 amendment. It's one thought, not two.

Wow, how many times we have to go through this. Read below:

From the founding of the country to 1934 the Second Amendment was understood by the populace and the Courts as it was intended to be by architects of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The National Firearms Act changed that in order to "fight" gang wars during the Prohibition era. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means that the people have the right to own contemporary weapons. Illustrated below:

"On May 8, 1792, Congress passed "[a]n act more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States" requiring:

[E]ach and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia...[and] every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein to contain not less than twenty-four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball: or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear, so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise, or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.[117]"
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Armed citizenry is supposed to be the militia.

It's not 1934, there are limits to the 2nd amendment.

 

[HappyJoy]

When are one of you libturds going to answer the question about what you are going to do about the countless MILLIONS of high capacity mags already in circulation? What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

Probably not much, you collect them as they come in, you limit future high capacity mags into circulation.

 

[Rustic]

 

[Chuz Life]

When are one of you libturds going to answer the question about what you are going to do about the countless MILLIONS of high capacity mags already in circulation? What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

Probably not much, you collect them as they come in, you limit future high capacity mags into circulation.

What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

 

[Brain357]

Why do you guys not want to slow down mass killers? Defenders aren't using high capacity magazines, only killers are:

 

[Brain357]

When are one of you libturds going to answer the question about what you are going to do about the countless MILLIONS of high capacity mags already in circulation? What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

Probably not much, you collect them as they come in, you limit future high capacity mags into circulation.

What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

Why would they bother? You guys say they can just switch them with super human speed and no error.

 

[defcon4]

When are one of you libturds going to answer the question about what you are going to do about the countless MILLIONS of high capacity mags already in circulation? What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

House to house searches, midnight arrests, frightening children, snitches, moles...every trick in the Cheka, then KGB and Gestapo books Elian Gonzales style

 

[Brain357]

It slows the shooter...

 

[HappyJoy]

When are one of you libturds going to answer the question about what you are going to do about the countless MILLIONS of high capacity mags already in circulation? What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

Probably not much, you collect them as they come in, you limit future high capacity mags into circulation.

What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

What are you going to do from stopping criminals from making crystal meth in their bathtub?

You get it when you can.

 

[defcon4]

There is nothing in the Constitution that says your right to bear arms cannot be defined by laws. It's already happened and it will continue to happen.

...shall not be infringed.... Look it up what it means...

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Read it again. The operative part of the sentence is A Well Regulated Militia. This has nothing to do with hunting or home defense, it is about weapons to be used if a Federal Government becomes tirynacle or excessively oppressive. The Government has the right to remove certain classes of weapons from the unlicensed public. Remember the Thompson Machine Gun? That puppy sold in guns shows, gun shops and even street corners. They regulated it so that you needed a Firearms License to buy, own and store it. It was the original Assault Rifle. And it was the original civilian mass murder weapon of choice in the 1920s. It wasn't until the 1960s that it was under question. Before that, it was understood that military grade weapons were allowed by State Sponsored Militias but if a private citizen wanted one, they need the lowest for of Firearms License. The Founding Fathers really knew what they were doing when they wrote the 2 amendment. It's one thought, not two.

Wow, how many times we have to go through this. Read below:

From the founding of the country to 1934 the Second Amendment was understood by the populace and the Courts as it was intended to be by architects of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The National Firearms Act changed that in order to "fight" gang wars during the Prohibition era. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means that the people have the right to own contemporary weapons. Illustrated below:

"On May 8, 1792, Congress passed "[a]n act more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States" requiring:

[E]ach and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia...[and] every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein to contain not less than twenty-four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball: or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear, so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise, or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.[117]"
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Armed citizenry is supposed to be the militia.

It's not 1934, there are limits to the 2nd amendment.

You stopped reading at 1934.
Well, that was the year when gun grabbing started in earnest under whom? FDR the New Deal guy. Read the whole thing to have an understanding about the Second Amendment.

 

[Chuz Life]

When are one of you libturds going to answer the question about what you are going to do about the countless MILLIONS of high capacity mags already in circulation? What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

Probably not much, you collect them as they come in, you limit future high capacity mags into circulation.

What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

Why would they bother? You guys say they can just switch them with super human speed and no error.

What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

 

[Brain357]

 

[HappyJoy]

There is nothing in the Constitution that says your right to bear arms cannot be defined by laws. It's already happened and it will continue to happen.

...shall not be infringed.... Look it up what it means...

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Read it again. The operative part of the sentence is A Well Regulated Militia. This has nothing to do with hunting or home defense, it is about weapons to be used if a Federal Government becomes tirynacle or excessively oppressive. The Government has the right to remove certain classes of weapons from the unlicensed public. Remember the Thompson Machine Gun? That puppy sold in guns shows, gun shops and even street corners. They regulated it so that you needed a Firearms License to buy, own and store it. It was the original Assault Rifle. And it was the original civilian mass murder weapon of choice in the 1920s. It wasn't until the 1960s that it was under question. Before that, it was understood that military grade weapons were allowed by State Sponsored Militias but if a private citizen wanted one, they need the lowest for of Firearms License. The Founding Fathers really knew what they were doing when they wrote the 2 amendment. It's one thought, not two.

Wow, how many times we have to go through this. Read below:

From the founding of the country to 1934 the Second Amendment was understood by the populace and the Courts as it was intended to be by architects of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The National Firearms Act changed that in order to "fight" gang wars during the Prohibition era. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means that the people have the right to own contemporary weapons. Illustrated below:

"On May 8, 1792, Congress passed "[a]n act more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States" requiring:

[E]ach and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia...[and] every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein to contain not less than twenty-four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball: or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear, so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise, or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.[117]"
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Armed citizenry is supposed to be the militia.

It's not 1934, there are limits to the 2nd amendment.

You stopped reading at 1934.
Well, that was the year when gun grabbing started in earnest under whom? FDR the New Deal guy. Read the whole thing to have an understanding about the Second Amendment.

Make jokes, it's not 1934 anymore. You can long for making America great again ala Trump, 1934 isn't where we want to be.

 

[HappyJoy]

When are one of you libturds going to answer the question about what you are going to do about the countless MILLIONS of high capacity mags already in circulation? What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

Probably not much, you collect them as they come in, you limit future high capacity mags into circulation.

What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

Why would they bother? You guys say they can just switch them with super human speed and no error.

What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

You still haven't answered the crystal meth comparative, why not?

 

[Brain357]

When are one of you libturds going to answer the question about what you are going to do about the countless MILLIONS of high capacity mags already in circulation? What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

Probably not much, you collect them as they come in, you limit future high capacity mags into circulation.

What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

Why would they bother? You guys say they can just switch them with super human speed and no error.

What are you going to do to stop CRIMINALS from making or modifying high cap magazines illegally?

Have a huge fine for being caught. If you truly believe they can just quickly reload, why would they bother? Oh wait, you don't really believe that do you?

 

[Chuz Life]

There is nothing in the Constitution that says your right to bear arms cannot be defined by laws. It's already happened and it will continue to happen.

...shall not be infringed.... Look it up what it means...

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Read it again. The operative part of the sentence is A Well Regulated Militia. This has nothing to do with hunting or home defense, it is about weapons to be used if a Federal Government becomes tirynacle or excessively oppressive. The Government has the right to remove certain classes of weapons from the unlicensed public. Remember the Thompson Machine Gun? That puppy sold in guns shows, gun shops and even street corners. They regulated it so that you needed a Firearms License to buy, own and store it. It was the original Assault Rifle. And it was the original civilian mass murder weapon of choice in the 1920s. It wasn't until the 1960s that it was under question. Before that, it was understood that military grade weapons were allowed by State Sponsored Militias but if a private citizen wanted one, they need the lowest for of Firearms License. The Founding Fathers really knew what they were doing when they wrote the 2 amendment. It's one thought, not two.

Wow, how many times we have to go through this. Read below:

From the founding of the country to 1934 the Second Amendment was understood by the populace and the Courts as it was intended to be by architects of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The National Firearms Act changed that in order to "fight" gang wars during the Prohibition era. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means that the people have the right to own contemporary weapons. Illustrated below:

"On May 8, 1792, Congress passed "[a]n act more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States" requiring:

[E]ach and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia...[and] every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein to contain not less than twenty-four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball: or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear, so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise, or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.[117]"
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Armed citizenry is supposed to be the militia.

It's not 1934, there are limits to the 2nd amendment.

You stopped reading at 1934.
Well, that was the year when gun grabbing started in earnest under whom? FDR the New Deal guy. Read the whole thing to have an understanding about the Second Amendment.

From that, it's clear that you know (or should know) that it is no more realistic to expect criminals to abide by laws regulating magazine capacity than it is for them to respect laws against making meth.

 

[Brain357]

Yes, reloading never slows anyone down. You guys don't believe your own lies.

 

[Billy000]

Honest question. Today on Fox morning a liberal anti gun activist wouldn't define "assault weapon". I'm open to the gun debate but we must have parameters. Of course.

So....libs....would an AR-15 pistol with a 10 round magazine still be an "Assault Weapon"? Here's an example. This is the "pistol" version of an AR15. .223 bullet. Let's say they were limited to a 10 or 15 round mag.

Is it still an Assault Weapon? Why or why not?

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What you people don't get is that it doesn't matter what you call the gun. The gun is what it is. A semi automatic rifle is what it is. The name doesn't change what the gun does.