Grace Is Stoked
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Of course you have talked about making or forcing people to do things. How do you believe taxes are collected? How do you plan to pay for your pie-in-the-sky schemes?I get we disagree but I don't know why you are personally attacking and insulting me since I haven't at all done that to you or anybody else here. I'm 27 and have been out of college for some time now but I do understand the current system and I also have college experience outside of the US as well for a year and so I have been exposed to more than one system. It's ok to look at our current system and acknowledge inefficiencies, inequity, and structure flaws. I'm trying to offer potential solutions or alterations but you and others here have yet to offer any solutions. You can't make something better if you see it as perfect the way it is despite visible and very real issues.
You don't know why? You're trying to make an argument to take MY money to pay for the college educations of total strangers, AND you're trying to make it on the basis that YOU are more reasonable and moral than the rest of us because of it, AND on the basis that those lazy, whining little punks are the "saviors" of the world, and you REALLY don't know why I find that offensive and annoying and find you in need of a serious verbal ass-whooping?
I'm not trying to offend or annoy you and so if I am then I'm sorry. Maybe it's time to move on from this topic then. Just know that I haven't talked about making or forcing anybody to do anything at all. All i've been doing is describing the system that I personally like and have experience with. I've even acknowledged several times that it wouldn't work here in the US without some major cultural changes and personal investment.
Yes ultimately in the system that I would like to see implemented one day in the distant future it would involve increased taxation both direct taxation and indirect. It would utilize an increased sales tax, increased income tax, increased taxes on the largest sectors such as oil and natural gas companies, additional taxes on various successes yielded from our capitalist system such as increased taxes on corporations and businesses, increased taxes based on income bracket (all brackets), increased taxes on stock market transactions, and so on.
Ultimately if everybody in the country will benefit from the new system then all should contribute for the common good and for the good of the many. The gap between rich and poor would decrease and you'd have a much larger middle class that is less individualistic and more collective in nature through this shared experience where everybody has equal access.
This is not a communistic system. I'm not calling for the government to control corporations, the means of production, or anything like that. Our capitalistic system would still be functional and valid and would still serve as the primary engine for funding. The success of the new system would be dependent on the success of capitalism making the two dependent on each other.
At the point you say, "Yes, it will involve increasing your taxes", you really need to just stop talking. You will never justify to people why they should be inconvenienced for your daydreams.
yes that is correct I will never be able to justify to most Americans that they should have their taxes increased to pay for certain services that all Americans would contribute to and receive equally. That conversation did happen in a number of countries already where the culture is more open to that sort of system and use of capitalism and taxation, for example Norway where it’s not a daydream, but as I said and have been saying it would take a large scale cultural change for that to happen here in the US.