Honestly I like Bernie; Students should study for free

[basquebromance]

its no longer the Democrat party, its now The Democrat Socialist Party

 

[basquebromance]

"pioneers for communism, we will be like Che...we want our kids to be like Che" - Crazy Bernie in 1974

 

[DJT for Life]

I think Im voting for Bernie. Students shouldn’t have to worry about debt and loans while studying to fix our broken society. These loans are immoral and need to be forgiven.

Also anyone working full time deserves a comfortable $15/hour wage and free medical care.

Thats all

How do you figure that going to college would be free under Crazy Bernie? You just believe his spin?

Tuition is free. Who pays for the books?..who pays for your room and board?

Books and Room and Board make up about 1/2 of the college expense. Good Luck with the increase in taxes
and your student loan to pay for books and room and board.

You need to return to grade school and repeat the third grade to have a better understanding of what you're getting.

 

[hadit]

I think Im voting for Bernie. Students shouldn’t have to worry about debt and loans while studying to fix our broken society. These loans are immoral and need to be forgiven.

Also anyone working full time deserves a comfortable $15/hour wage and free medical care.

Thats all

If the students pay nothing, who is going to pay the teachers? who is going to pay for the building maintenance? the utilities? the food for students? books? Same questions relative to medical care, who is going to pay the doctors,the hospitals, the drug companies?

None of these things are just there for the taking, someone has to pay for them. Who do you suggest we send the bills to? How about you? Are you willing to pay for someone else's education and medical care?

I know you weren't asking me but in my opinion the teachers would be paid by the department of education through the funding generated primarily by increased taxation. As for things such as books, housing, food, amenities, recreation, and other services the students at that university could pay a set semester fee which would go towards covering services like that in my opinion. For healthcare it would be a similar process although if it were up to me there would still be a yearly deductible to meet before your care is paid for by the government. Hospitals would be publicly funded, and as for prescription drugs most would be provided with that coverage but if some aren't covered then there could be a price cap to ensure affordability.

Price caps guarantee shortages.

 

[SAYIT]

It was a lot of words yes but if you read them you would have seen that I want to change quite a few things.

Read them, and the only thing that would be an actual change is that you get to mooch off of other people for what you want. High school graduation already does qualify you to go on to whatever type of further education you want; only difference is that right now it's YOUR responsibility to provide for it. I do appreciate your "generous" agreement to allow us to charge the student himself for everyday stuff, though. Very kind of you not to require us to spoonfeed and burp the helpless little darlings.

I would disagree that it’s not reasonable. I view it as much more unreasonable to expect millions of families to have to pay for education from kindergarten through high school. It would result in a very high percentage of uneducated children and an even more divided class system in my opinion. A sensible approach would be to ensure equal access to education. It’s in the best interest of our country’s future in my opinion.

...Your delusions about the supposed benefits free college have never been born out by experience. All it does is transfer the cost of training from the employer to the government. When you mass produce education, all you do is dilute the value of an diploma. Now 4 years of college is little better than a high school education used to be...

 

[Grumblenuts]

Thanks for your support. Best go knock on some doors. This place isn't worth the effort.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I think Im voting for Bernie. Students shouldn’t have to worry about debt and loans while studying to fix our broken society. These loans are immoral and need to be forgiven.

Also anyone working full time deserves a comfortable $15/hour wage and free medical care.

Thats all

That's not all. Bernie is promising everyone everything as if he's Santa Claus. He destroys the incentive to work. That is how socialism just killed 150 million. Next he will offer free subscriptions to Netflix and Hulu. We all need to relax at the end of the day don't we?

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

It was a lot of words yes but if you read them you would have seen that I want to change quite a few things.

Read them, and the only thing that would be an actual change is that you get to mooch off of other people for what you want. High school graduation already does qualify you to go on to whatever type of further education you want; only difference is that right now it's YOUR responsibility to provide for it. I do appreciate your "generous" agreement to allow us to charge the student himself for everyday stuff, though. Very kind of you not to require us to spoonfeed and burp the helpless little darlings.

I would disagree that it’s not reasonable. I view it as much more unreasonable to expect millions of families to have to pay for education from kindergarten through high school. It would result in a very high percentage of uneducated children and an even more divided class system in my opinion. A sensible approach would be to ensure equal access to education. It’s in the best interest of our country’s future in my opinion.

...Your delusions about the supposed benefits free college have never been born out by experience. All it does is transfer the cost of training from the employer to the government. When you mass produce education, all you do is dilute the value of an diploma. Now 4 years of college is little better than a high school education used to be...

Please consider that I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I fully understand that it's not "free". This sort of platform requires a sincere commitment by our society as a whole to pay into a system that allows for egalitarian social welfare programs such as these. For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual. I am aware that this is not our culture here.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It was a lot of words yes but if you read them you would have seen that I want to change quite a few things.

Read them, and the only thing that would be an actual change is that you get to mooch off of other people for what you want. High school graduation already does qualify you to go on to whatever type of further education you want; only difference is that right now it's YOUR responsibility to provide for it. I do appreciate your "generous" agreement to allow us to charge the student himself for everyday stuff, though. Very kind of you not to require us to spoonfeed and burp the helpless little darlings.

I would disagree that it’s not reasonable. I view it as much more unreasonable to expect millions of families to have to pay for education from kindergarten through high school. It would result in a very high percentage of uneducated children and an even more divided class system in my opinion. A sensible approach would be to ensure equal access to education. It’s in the best interest of our country’s future in my opinion.

...Your delusions about the supposed benefits free college have never been born out by experience. All it does is transfer the cost of training from the employer to the government. When you mass produce education, all you do is dilute the value of an diploma. Now 4 years of college is little better than a high school education used to be...

Please consider that I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I fully understand that it's not "free". This sort of platform requires a sincere commitment by our society as a whole to pay into a system that allows for egalitarian social welfare programs such as these. For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual. I am aware that this is not our culture here.

For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual.

Which coutry has the system that you'd like for the US?

 

[bripat9643]

It was a lot of words yes but if you read them you would have seen that I want to change quite a few things.

Read them, and the only thing that would be an actual change is that you get to mooch off of other people for what you want. High school graduation already does qualify you to go on to whatever type of further education you want; only difference is that right now it's YOUR responsibility to provide for it. I do appreciate your "generous" agreement to allow us to charge the student himself for everyday stuff, though. Very kind of you not to require us to spoonfeed and burp the helpless little darlings.

I would disagree that it’s not reasonable. I view it as much more unreasonable to expect millions of families to have to pay for education from kindergarten through high school. It would result in a very high percentage of uneducated children and an even more divided class system in my opinion. A sensible approach would be to ensure equal access to education. It’s in the best interest of our country’s future in my opinion.

...Your delusions about the supposed benefits free college have never been born out by experience. All it does is transfer the cost of training from the employer to the government. When you mass produce education, all you do is dilute the value of an diploma. Now 4 years of college is little better than a high school education used to be...

Please consider that I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I fully understand that it's not "free". This sort of platform requires a sincere commitment by our society as a whole to pay into a system that allows for egalitarian social welfare programs such as these. For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual. I am aware that this is not our culture here.

I have no interest in supporting "egalitarian social welfare programs." None. Your schemes will never succeed. They never have.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

It was a lot of words yes but if you read them you would have seen that I want to change quite a few things.

Read them, and the only thing that would be an actual change is that you get to mooch off of other people for what you want. High school graduation already does qualify you to go on to whatever type of further education you want; only difference is that right now it's YOUR responsibility to provide for it. I do appreciate your "generous" agreement to allow us to charge the student himself for everyday stuff, though. Very kind of you not to require us to spoonfeed and burp the helpless little darlings.

I would disagree that it’s not reasonable. I view it as much more unreasonable to expect millions of families to have to pay for education from kindergarten through high school. It would result in a very high percentage of uneducated children and an even more divided class system in my opinion. A sensible approach would be to ensure equal access to education. It’s in the best interest of our country’s future in my opinion.

...Your delusions about the supposed benefits free college have never been born out by experience. All it does is transfer the cost of training from the employer to the government. When you mass produce education, all you do is dilute the value of an diploma. Now 4 years of college is little better than a high school education used to be...

Please consider that I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I fully understand that it's not "free". This sort of platform requires a sincere commitment by our society as a whole to pay into a system that allows for egalitarian social welfare programs such as these. For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual. I am aware that this is not our culture here.

For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual.

Which coutry has the system that you'd like for the US?

Well the country that has the most ideal system to what I personally would like to see would be Norway. Full disclosure i'm Norwegian and I also spent a year of college studying back in Norway and so I have a personal bias admittedly. It's not a perfect system there either, as there are no perfect systems, but there are a lot of things that I liked there and still like today. To be fair I also do like aspects of our system here in the US too.

The Norwegian system, much like most of the Nordic nations, would not work well here in the US because the culture overall is just too different. The expectations are different, the mindset is different, the social order is different, the wants and needs are different, and so the system there is just not conducive to success here in the US in my opinion. I wouldn't want to try and fit a square peg in a round hole and so these beliefs I hold and ideas that I have are not things that I would attempt to force here in the US. There are also no presidential candidates that I would trust fully to implement it here either and so it's just wishful thinking for me. That being said the best I can do is to try to live my life personally in that style and in the style that I was raised. I hope this helps explain it.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

It was a lot of words yes but if you read them you would have seen that I want to change quite a few things.

Read them, and the only thing that would be an actual change is that you get to mooch off of other people for what you want. High school graduation already does qualify you to go on to whatever type of further education you want; only difference is that right now it's YOUR responsibility to provide for it. I do appreciate your "generous" agreement to allow us to charge the student himself for everyday stuff, though. Very kind of you not to require us to spoonfeed and burp the helpless little darlings.

I would disagree that it’s not reasonable. I view it as much more unreasonable to expect millions of families to have to pay for education from kindergarten through high school. It would result in a very high percentage of uneducated children and an even more divided class system in my opinion. A sensible approach would be to ensure equal access to education. It’s in the best interest of our country’s future in my opinion.

...Your delusions about the supposed benefits free college have never been born out by experience. All it does is transfer the cost of training from the employer to the government. When you mass produce education, all you do is dilute the value of an diploma. Now 4 years of college is little better than a high school education used to be...

Please consider that I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I fully understand that it's not "free". This sort of platform requires a sincere commitment by our society as a whole to pay into a system that allows for egalitarian social welfare programs such as these. For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual. I am aware that this is not our culture here.

I have no interest in supporting "egalitarian social welfare programs." None. Your schemes will never succeed. They never have.

They probably wouldn't succeed here in the US, I agree.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It was a lot of words yes but if you read them you would have seen that I want to change quite a few things.

Read them, and the only thing that would be an actual change is that you get to mooch off of other people for what you want. High school graduation already does qualify you to go on to whatever type of further education you want; only difference is that right now it's YOUR responsibility to provide for it. I do appreciate your "generous" agreement to allow us to charge the student himself for everyday stuff, though. Very kind of you not to require us to spoonfeed and burp the helpless little darlings.

I would disagree that it’s not reasonable. I view it as much more unreasonable to expect millions of families to have to pay for education from kindergarten through high school. It would result in a very high percentage of uneducated children and an even more divided class system in my opinion. A sensible approach would be to ensure equal access to education. It’s in the best interest of our country’s future in my opinion.

...Your delusions about the supposed benefits free college have never been born out by experience. All it does is transfer the cost of training from the employer to the government. When you mass produce education, all you do is dilute the value of an diploma. Now 4 years of college is little better than a high school education used to be...

Please consider that I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I fully understand that it's not "free". This sort of platform requires a sincere commitment by our society as a whole to pay into a system that allows for egalitarian social welfare programs such as these. For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual. I am aware that this is not our culture here.

For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual.

Which coutry has the system that you'd like for the US?

Well the country that has the most ideal system to what I personally would like to see would be Norway. Full disclosure i'm Norwegian by birth but raised basically my whole life here in the U.S. I also spent a year of college studying back in Norway and so I have a personal bias admittedly. It's not a perfect system there either, as there are no perfect systems, but there are a lot of things that I liked there and still like today. To be fair I also do like aspects of our system here in the US too.

The Norwegian system, much like most of the Nordic nations, would not work well here in the US because the culture overall is just too different. The expectations are different, the mindset is different, the social order is different, the wants and needs are different, and so the system there is just not conducive to success here in the US in my opinion. I wouldn't want to try and fit a square peg in a round hole and so these beliefs I hold and ideas that I have are not things that I would attempt to force here in the US. There are also no presidential candidates that I would trust fully to implement it here either and so it's just wishful thinking for me. That being said the best I can do is to try to live my life personally in that style and in the style that I was raised. I hope this helps explain it.

Well the country that has the most ideal system to what I personally would like to see would be Norway.

How many go to college? 30%? 35%?

I guess we could use fossil fuel revenues to pay for college here.
What about ANWR?

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

Read them, and the only thing that would be an actual change is that you get to mooch off of other people for what you want. High school graduation already does qualify you to go on to whatever type of further education you want; only difference is that right now it's YOUR responsibility to provide for it. I do appreciate your "generous" agreement to allow us to charge the student himself for everyday stuff, though. Very kind of you not to require us to spoonfeed and burp the helpless little darlings.

...Your delusions about the supposed benefits free college have never been born out by experience. All it does is transfer the cost of training from the employer to the government. When you mass produce education, all you do is dilute the value of an diploma. Now 4 years of college is little better than a high school education used to be...

Please consider that I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I fully understand that it's not "free". This sort of platform requires a sincere commitment by our society as a whole to pay into a system that allows for egalitarian social welfare programs such as these. For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual. I am aware that this is not our culture here.

For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual.

Which coutry has the system that you'd like for the US?

Well the country that has the most ideal system to what I personally would like to see would be Norway. Full disclosure i'm Norwegian by birth but raised basically my whole life here in the U.S. I also spent a year of college studying back in Norway and so I have a personal bias admittedly. It's not a perfect system there either, as there are no perfect systems, but there are a lot of things that I liked there and still like today. To be fair I also do like aspects of our system here in the US too.

The Norwegian system, much like most of the Nordic nations, would not work well here in the US because the culture overall is just too different. The expectations are different, the mindset is different, the social order is different, the wants and needs are different, and so the system there is just not conducive to success here in the US in my opinion. I wouldn't want to try and fit a square peg in a round hole and so these beliefs I hold and ideas that I have are not things that I would attempt to force here in the US. There are also no presidential candidates that I would trust fully to implement it here either and so it's just wishful thinking for me. That being said the best I can do is to try to live my life personally in that style and in the style that I was raised. I hope this helps explain it.

Well the country that has the most ideal system to what I personally would like to see would be Norway.

How many go to college? 30%? 35%?

I guess we could use fossil fuel revenues to pay for college here.
What about ANWR?

Sorry but I don't know off the top of my head the percentage, but to answer your last question if a percentage of the profits were taxed from the energy sectors here in the US, such as natural gas and oil, and that revenue were to go towards education, then yes it could go a long way as well in my opinion.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Please consider that I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I fully understand that it's not "free". This sort of platform requires a sincere commitment by our society as a whole to pay into a system that allows for egalitarian social welfare programs such as these. For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual. I am aware that this is not our culture here.

For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual.

Which coutry has the system that you'd like for the US?

Well the country that has the most ideal system to what I personally would like to see would be Norway. Full disclosure i'm Norwegian by birth but raised basically my whole life here in the U.S. I also spent a year of college studying back in Norway and so I have a personal bias admittedly. It's not a perfect system there either, as there are no perfect systems, but there are a lot of things that I liked there and still like today. To be fair I also do like aspects of our system here in the US too.

The Norwegian system, much like most of the Nordic nations, would not work well here in the US because the culture overall is just too different. The expectations are different, the mindset is different, the social order is different, the wants and needs are different, and so the system there is just not conducive to success here in the US in my opinion. I wouldn't want to try and fit a square peg in a round hole and so these beliefs I hold and ideas that I have are not things that I would attempt to force here in the US. There are also no presidential candidates that I would trust fully to implement it here either and so it's just wishful thinking for me. That being said the best I can do is to try to live my life personally in that style and in the style that I was raised. I hope this helps explain it.

Well the country that has the most ideal system to what I personally would like to see would be Norway.

How many go to college? 30%? 35%?

I guess we could use fossil fuel revenues to pay for college here.
What about ANWR?

Sorry but I don't know off the top of my head the percentage, but to answer your last question if a percentage of the profits were taxed from the energy sectors here in the US, such as natural gas and oil, and that revenue were to go towards education, then yes it could go a long way as well in my opinion.

if a percentage of the profits were taxed from the energy sectors here in the US, such as natural gas and oil, and that revenue were to go towards education,

We already tax those sectors.
We need new money.
So let's drill in ANWR.

Use fees on that new oil to get our college percentages up to the levels in Norway.

 

[bripat9643]

It was a lot of words yes but if you read them you would have seen that I want to change quite a few things.

Read them, and the only thing that would be an actual change is that you get to mooch off of other people for what you want. High school graduation already does qualify you to go on to whatever type of further education you want; only difference is that right now it's YOUR responsibility to provide for it. I do appreciate your "generous" agreement to allow us to charge the student himself for everyday stuff, though. Very kind of you not to require us to spoonfeed and burp the helpless little darlings.

I would disagree that it’s not reasonable. I view it as much more unreasonable to expect millions of families to have to pay for education from kindergarten through high school. It would result in a very high percentage of uneducated children and an even more divided class system in my opinion. A sensible approach would be to ensure equal access to education. It’s in the best interest of our country’s future in my opinion.

...Your delusions about the supposed benefits free college have never been born out by experience. All it does is transfer the cost of training from the employer to the government. When you mass produce education, all you do is dilute the value of an diploma. Now 4 years of college is little better than a high school education used to be...

Please consider that I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I fully understand that it's not "free". This sort of platform requires a sincere commitment by our society as a whole to pay into a system that allows for egalitarian social welfare programs such as these. For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual. I am aware that this is not our culture here.

For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual.

Which coutry has the system that you'd like for the US?

Well the country that has the most ideal system to what I personally would like to see would be Norway. Full disclosure i'm Norwegian and I also spent a year of college studying back in Norway and so I have a personal bias admittedly. It's not a perfect system there either, as there are no perfect systems, but there are a lot of things that I liked there and still like today. To be fair I also do like aspects of our system here in the US too.

The Norwegian system, much like most of the Nordic nations, would not work well here in the US because the culture overall is just too different. The expectations are different, the mindset is different, the social order is different, the wants and needs are different, and so the system there is just not conducive to success here in the US in my opinion. I wouldn't want to try and fit a square peg in a round hole and so these beliefs I hold and ideas that I have are not things that I would attempt to force here in the US. There are also no presidential candidates that I would trust fully to implement it here either and so it's just wishful thinking for me. That being said the best I can do is to try to live my life personally in that style and in the style that I was raised. I hope this helps explain it.

Norway is sitting over an ocean of oil. If you could arrange that, I would support it as well. Otherwise, fuck off.

 

[Redfish]

It was a lot of words yes but if you read them you would have seen that I want to change quite a few things.

Read them, and the only thing that would be an actual change is that you get to mooch off of other people for what you want. High school graduation already does qualify you to go on to whatever type of further education you want; only difference is that right now it's YOUR responsibility to provide for it. I do appreciate your "generous" agreement to allow us to charge the student himself for everyday stuff, though. Very kind of you not to require us to spoonfeed and burp the helpless little darlings.

I would disagree that it’s not reasonable. I view it as much more unreasonable to expect millions of families to have to pay for education from kindergarten through high school. It would result in a very high percentage of uneducated children and an even more divided class system in my opinion. A sensible approach would be to ensure equal access to education. It’s in the best interest of our country’s future in my opinion.

...Your delusions about the supposed benefits free college have never been born out by experience. All it does is transfer the cost of training from the employer to the government. When you mass produce education, all you do is dilute the value of an diploma. Now 4 years of college is little better than a high school education used to be...

Please consider that I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I fully understand that it's not "free". This sort of platform requires a sincere commitment by our society as a whole to pay into a system that allows for egalitarian social welfare programs such as these. For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual. I am aware that this is not our culture here.

For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual.

Which coutry has the system that you'd like for the US?

Well the country that has the most ideal system to what I personally would like to see would be Norway. Full disclosure i'm Norwegian and I also spent a year of college studying back in Norway and so I have a personal bias admittedly. It's not a perfect system there either, as there are no perfect systems, but there are a lot of things that I liked there and still like today. To be fair I also do like aspects of our system here in the US too.

The Norwegian system, much like most of the Nordic nations, would not work well here in the US because the culture overall is just too different. The expectations are different, the mindset is different, the social order is different, the wants and needs are different, and so the system there is just not conducive to success here in the US in my opinion. I wouldn't want to try and fit a square peg in a round hole and so these beliefs I hold and ideas that I have are not things that I would attempt to force here in the US. There are also no presidential candidates that I would trust fully to implement it here either and so it's just wishful thinking for me. That being said the best I can do is to try to live my life personally in that style and in the style that I was raised. I hope this helps explain it.

there are 5 million people in Norway, less than the population of New York,or any of our major cities. the USA has over 330,000,000 people. You cannot compare the two countries in any way.

the people of Norway are all racially and ethnically the same, they are one big extended family, zero diversity. You are correct that their system would not work here, or frankly anywhere except Norway. the other Scandinavian countries rely on capitalism for revenue and then put high taxes on incomes to provide poor quality social services.

Bottom line: socialism does not work, never has, never will.

 

[Redfish]

I think Im voting for Bernie. Students shouldn’t have to worry about debt and loans while studying to fix our broken society. These loans are immoral and need to be forgiven.

Also anyone working full time deserves a comfortable $15/hour wage and free medical care.

Thats all

If the students pay nothing, who is going to pay the teachers? who is going to pay for the building maintenance? the utilities? the food for students? books? Same questions relative to medical care, who is going to pay the doctors,the hospitals, the drug companies?

None of these things are just there for the taking, someone has to pay for them. Who do you suggest we send the bills to? How about you? Are you willing to pay for someone else's education and medical care?

I know you weren't asking me but in my opinion the teachers would be paid by the department of education through the funding generated primarily by increased taxation. As for things such as books, housing, food, amenities, recreation, and other services the students at that university could pay a set semester fee which would go towards covering services like that in my opinion. For healthcare it would be a similar process although if it were up to me there would still be a yearly deductible to meet before your care is paid for by the government. Hospitals would be publicly funded, and as for prescription drugs most would be provided with that coverage but if some aren't covered then there could be a price cap to ensure affordability.

LOL, and we would all fly through the clouds to never never land where we would be sung to by Elvis, and Micheal Jackson. You live in fantasy land. there isn't enough money in the world to do what you want. It is also contrary to basic human nature. do you understand that "publicly funded" means you and I pay taxes to the government and then some mindless beaurocrat decides where our money can be spent?

You must be very young, to be so naive you cannot have experienced much of life.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

Read them, and the only thing that would be an actual change is that you get to mooch off of other people for what you want. High school graduation already does qualify you to go on to whatever type of further education you want; only difference is that right now it's YOUR responsibility to provide for it. I do appreciate your "generous" agreement to allow us to charge the student himself for everyday stuff, though. Very kind of you not to require us to spoonfeed and burp the helpless little darlings.

...Your delusions about the supposed benefits free college have never been born out by experience. All it does is transfer the cost of training from the employer to the government. When you mass produce education, all you do is dilute the value of an diploma. Now 4 years of college is little better than a high school education used to be...

Please consider that I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I fully understand that it's not "free". This sort of platform requires a sincere commitment by our society as a whole to pay into a system that allows for egalitarian social welfare programs such as these. For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual. I am aware that this is not our culture here.

For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual.

Which coutry has the system that you'd like for the US?

Well the country that has the most ideal system to what I personally would like to see would be Norway. Full disclosure i'm Norwegian and I also spent a year of college studying back in Norway and so I have a personal bias admittedly. It's not a perfect system there either, as there are no perfect systems, but there are a lot of things that I liked there and still like today. To be fair I also do like aspects of our system here in the US too.

The Norwegian system, much like most of the Nordic nations, would not work well here in the US because the culture overall is just too different. The expectations are different, the mindset is different, the social order is different, the wants and needs are different, and so the system there is just not conducive to success here in the US in my opinion. I wouldn't want to try and fit a square peg in a round hole and so these beliefs I hold and ideas that I have are not things that I would attempt to force here in the US. There are also no presidential candidates that I would trust fully to implement it here either and so it's just wishful thinking for me. That being said the best I can do is to try to live my life personally in that style and in the style that I was raised. I hope this helps explain it.

Norway is sitting over an ocean of oil. If you could arrange that, I would support it as well. Otherwise, fuck off.

It is, however, it's not just oil reserves that powers the Norwegian welfare state though. It harnesses the successes of capitalism to contribute to the system, it uses a higher sales tax, higher income tax, higher corporate taxes, among other taxes and regulations, and most importantly in my opinion it has the commitment of the citizens and is an accepted part of life in order to provide the most egalitarian system that they can produce. It still has flaws sure, all systems do, but the individual in Norway is not placed higher than the good of the many. In the US individualism is typically placed above the collective good, whereas in Norway the good of the many is placed above the success of the one. That's not meant as an insult towards the US it's just the reality of how people see success in this country. It's two polar opposite mindsets which is why I personally could not see the Norwegian system succeeding here without a large scale change in what is considered more important to Americans.

 

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Please consider that I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I fully understand that it's not "free". This sort of platform requires a sincere commitment by our society as a whole to pay into a system that allows for egalitarian social welfare programs such as these. For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual. I am aware that this is not our culture here.

For this sort of change to succeed in this country we as citizens would need to place the good of the many over the good of the individual.

Which coutry has the system that you'd like for the US?

Well the country that has the most ideal system to what I personally would like to see would be Norway. Full disclosure i'm Norwegian and I also spent a year of college studying back in Norway and so I have a personal bias admittedly. It's not a perfect system there either, as there are no perfect systems, but there are a lot of things that I liked there and still like today. To be fair I also do like aspects of our system here in the US too.

The Norwegian system, much like most of the Nordic nations, would not work well here in the US because the culture overall is just too different. The expectations are different, the mindset is different, the social order is different, the wants and needs are different, and so the system there is just not conducive to success here in the US in my opinion. I wouldn't want to try and fit a square peg in a round hole and so these beliefs I hold and ideas that I have are not things that I would attempt to force here in the US. There are also no presidential candidates that I would trust fully to implement it here either and so it's just wishful thinking for me. That being said the best I can do is to try to live my life personally in that style and in the style that I was raised. I hope this helps explain it.

Norway is sitting over an ocean of oil. If you could arrange that, I would support it as well. Otherwise, fuck off.

It is, however, it's not just oil reserves that powers the Norwegian welfare state though. It harnesses the successes of capitalism to contribute to the system, it uses a higher sales tax, higher income tax, higher corporate taxes, among other taxes and regulations, and most importantly in my opinion it has the commitment of the citizens and is an accepted part of life in order to provide the most egalitarian system that they can produce. It still has flaws sure, all systems do, but the individual in Norway is not placed higher than the good of the many. In the US individualism is typically placed above the collective good, whereas in Norway the good of the many is placed above the success of the one. That's not meant as an insult towards the US it's just the reality of how people see success in this country. It's two polar opposite mindsets which is why I personally could not see the Norwegian system succeeding here without a large scale change in what is considered more important to Americans.

You make a lot of claims that don't have a shred of evidence to support them.

The only way the Norwegian system could succeed here is if our oil reserves suddenly increased by 100 times.