Honestly:will you socialists that support nationalizing of USA like Venzuela

[Dragonlady]

We fund a government to avoid being run by the other two. It is the lesserist (yep, made up word) of the three evils.

I think the word you need is "least" of the three evils.

 

[bucs90]

We fund a government to avoid being run by the other two. It is the lesserist (yep, made up word) of the three evils.

I think the word you need is "least" of the three evils.

Yeah, no shit, lighten up a little and have some fun. "Lesser of two evils" is the very common term, "Lesserist", get it?

"Lesserist" is a word leftover from my previous years as a right winger. I liked it then, so I took it with me.

 

[Mr. H.]

Well, I know this. In Charleston, SC, we have only one option for electricity: SCE&G, a privately owned company. The Post and Courrier this week reported SCE&G made record profits, and sent huge increases in dividends to it's shareholders. They ask for rate hikes every other month, and blame "Obama's green energy policies". Somehow, though, they rake in huge profits, despite "Obama policies".

Could the US government fund the operation of the power grid, in a non-profit manner, and thus allowing people to keep more money in their pockets?

What is "free money"...whether it comes from welfare, or dividends, it is still money you didn't physically work for that came at the cost of others. Just sayin'.

SCE&G has expended massive amounts of private equity in order to build, expand, monitor, service, and maintain their enterprise. Shareholders, at expense to themselves through aquisition of equtiy interests, are vested and so assume expense as well as profit. They also assume risk.

You said yourself that we are "at war for resources, overseas resources". So which is cheaper, to wage "war" overseas or to ensure the future of our own resources and power generation?

Without profit, SCE&G has no future. Without dividend distributions to shareholders, they could not attract capital. Without increases in rates, they could not cover ever-expanding expenses of operation.

Yep. All 100% true, I dont disagree. But, how does that help the thousands who are struggling to pay their bills? It doesnt. So, surely you see how the message of nationalizing certain things appeals to many?

Just like some people who are struggling with their business get outraged to hear a government employee making more........many who are struggling to pay bills get outraged to hear their power bills soared so stockholders could make a few more dollars.

We need a middle ground, but the partisan sides are fleeing farther apart.

It's a big country. And in a big country, dreams stay with you,
Like a lover's voice, fires the mountainside...
Stay alive.

We've always had, and always will have, some people who are struggling to pay their bills.
It's the same with businesses. But that in no way reationalizes the argument for government takeover of private enterprise. By the way, my name isn't surely.

Anyone who is "outraged" about any one other person or business entity "making more" should have their head examined. Then they should get off their own, or collective, asses and find their own remedy.

Power bills don't "soar" as a result of stockholder profits. It's the other way around.

Besides, if you do some research you may find that power bills overall are decreasing because of cheap plentiful natural gas. Brought to you by shareholders who are losing their asses in the natural gas market.

 

[healthmyths]

Well, I know this. In Charleston, SC, we have only one option for electricity: SCE&G, a privately owned company. The Post and Courrier this week reported SCE&G made record profits, and sent huge increases in dividends to it's shareholders. They ask for rate hikes every other month, and blame "Obama's green energy policies". Somehow, though, they rake in huge profits, despite "Obama policies".

Could the US government fund the operation of the power grid, in a non-profit manner, and thus allowing people to keep more money in their pockets?

What is "free money"...whether it comes from welfare, or dividends, it is still money you didn't physically work for that came at the cost of others. Just sayin'.

These are majority of shareholders of SCANA which owns SCE&G...

are you a teacher or do you know a teacher???

You or they just maybe have money in these retirement funds and these retirement funds earned $1.98 a share..
TIAA-CREF Investment Management owns 464773 shares worth $22.43M -- Received $920,250 in dividends to this teachers retirement fund.. EVIL teachers!!
New York State Common Retirement Fund owns 426600 shares worth $19.47M -- Received $844,668 in dividends these evil public employees EVIL!!!
Canada Pension Plan Investment Board owns 390777 shares worth $17.84M ---Why are we sending $773,738 to these EVIL Canadian retired people! Disgusting!



In 2008, an estimated 52.5 million households, or 45 percent of all U.S. households, owned mutual funds.
The current estimate of the number of individual investors owning mutual funds is 92 million, an increase of almost 4 million from the estimate for 2007.
Members of the Baby Boom Generation (individuals born between 1946 and 1964) make up 46 percent of mutual fund shareholders, while members of Generation X (individuals born between 1965 and 1976) make up 24 percent of fund holders. Members of the Silent Generation (individuals born prior to 1946) account for 18 percent of fund shareholders and members of Generation Y (individuals born after 1976) account for 12 percent.

Mutual funds...

Vanguard owns 7.85M shares worth $358.31M AND this filthy mutual fund of which many are 92 million americans received $15,543,000 dividends evil bastards!
STATE STREET CORPORATION owns 6.64M shares worth $303.19M
Ameriprise Financial owns 1.57M shares worth $75.34M
ANCHOR CAPITAL ADVISORS owns 1.45M shares worth $65.98M
OppenheimerFunds owns 409730 shares worth $18.70M
Magellan Asset Management owns 336597 shares worth $16.10M
Franklin Resources owns 1.01M shares worth $46.24M
Guggenheim Capital, LLC Managers owns 340511 shares worth $15.53M

Filthy WALL STREET GREEDY BASTARDS!!!
Artisan Partners Holdings owns 4.06M shares worth $159.86M
Wells Fargo & Company owns 2.67M shares worth $127.51M
GOLDMAN SACHS owns 2.66M shares worth $121.38M
Cramer Rosenthal McGlynn owns 2.52M shares worth $121.63M
W. H. Reaves & Co owns 1.27M shares worth $57.79M
Epoch Investment Partners owns 1.23M shares worth $56.34M
Inves owns 958052 shares worth $46.25M
Geode Capital Management owns 829564 shares worth $37.85M
Artisan Partners Limited Partnership owns 799843 shares worth $36.50M
Gabelli Funds owns 768000 shares worth $35.05M
Legal & General owns 703038 shares worth $32.09M
Winton Capital Management owns 567570 shares worth $25.90M
Norges Bank Investment Management owns 565664 shares worth $25.49M
Canada Pension Plan Investment Board owns 390777 shares worth $17.84M
Sumitomo Mitsui Trust Holdings owns 377376 shares worth $17.02M

Yea and this filthy money grubbing evil corporation ALSO PAID in taxes:
SCANA Corp. and its subsidiaries, including SCE&G, paid approximately $157 million in property taxes in South Carolina in 2012.
SCANA paid $182,000,000 in FEDERAL TAXES..

Which IF THEY DIDN"T and were a NON-PROFIT THEY WOULDN"T YOU'd be making up the difference!!!

YEA THOSE EVIL scum bag money grubbing TEACHERS,retired Public employees, Canadians, MUTUAL fund owning millions of Americans...
YEA STICK IT TO 'EM!!!

 

[Saigon]

Honestly:will you socialists that support nationalizing of USA like Venzuela

1) Nothing is being nationalised

2) I've never seen any poster on this board back Venezuela

3) There are no socialists involved in US politics.

It's easier to understand current events if you stick to facts - not paranoia.

 

[healthmyths]

Honestly:will you socialists that support nationalizing of USA like Venzuela

1) Nothing is being nationalised

2) I've never seen any poster on this board back Venezuela

3) There are no socialists involved in US politics.

It's easier to understand current events if you stick to facts - not paranoia.

Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is an American politician and the junior United States Senator from Vermont. Before serving in the Senate, he represented Vermont's at-large district in the United States House of Representatives and served as Mayor of Burlington, the largest city in Vermont.

Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist
NOTE HE IDENTIFIES himself as a "socialist".. and therefore Your "no socialists" statement is wrong!

American Socialist Voter–

Q: How many members of the U.S. Congress are also members of the DSA?

A: Seventy

Q: How many of the DSA members sit on the Judiciary Committee?

A: Eleven: John Conyers [Chairman of the Judiciary Committee], Tammy Baldwin, Jerrold Nadler, Luis Gutierrez, Melvin Watt, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Steve Cohen, Barbara Lee, Robert Wexler, Linda Sanchez [there are 23 Democrats on the Judiciary Committee of which eleven, almost half, are now members of the DSA].

Q: Who are these members of 111th Congress?

A: See the listing below

Co-Chairs

Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

Vice Chairs

Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)

Senate Members

Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)

House Members

Hon. Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)

Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)

Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31)

Hon. Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL)

Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01)

Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03)

Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)

Hon. André Carson (IN-07)

Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL)

Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)

Hon. William “Lacy” Clay (MO-01)

Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)

Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09)

Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)

Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)

Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)

Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)

Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)

Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)

Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05)

Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17)

Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02)

Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51)

Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04)

Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)

Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08)

Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)

Hon. John Hall (NY-19)

Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17)

Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)

Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15)

Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)

Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)

Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04)

Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)

Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)

Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09)

Hon. John Lewis (GA-05)

Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02)

Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)

Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)

Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)

Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07)

Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)

Hon. George Miller (CA-07)

Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)

Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)

Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)

Hon. John Olver (MA-01)

Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)

Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)

Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)

Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)

Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)

Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)

Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)

Hon. Linda Sánchez (CA-47)

Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)

Hon. José Serrano (NY-16)

Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)

Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)

Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)

Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)

Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)

Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)

Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)

Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)

Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)

Hon. Robert Wexler (FL-19)
SOCIALIST PARTY OF AMERICA IDENTIFIES 70 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THEIR CONGRESSIONAL CAUCUS

 

[Saigon]

Wow. You found ONE.

"Sanders he is the first person elected to Congress to identify as a socialist in six decades."

Bernie Sanders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't see any evidence that any of the others are socialists, do you?

 

[uscitizen]

Honestly:will you socialists that support nationalizing of USA like Venzuela

There are no ‘socialists.’

Perhaps you could try something different and start a thread with some facts for a change.

Actually there are socialists.

Sshool taxes and those who support them are socialists.
Even those who support vouchers are socialists becuase they expect to get school tax money that others paid to pay for their child to go to school.
You support fire and police protection paid for by taxes?
roads paid for by taxes?

So the vast majority of US citizens are socialists.

 

[healthmyths]

Wow. You found ONE.

"Sanders he is the first person elected to Congress to identify as a socialist in six decades."

Bernie Sanders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't see any evidence that any of the others are socialists, do you?

SOCIALIST PARTY OF AMERICA IDENTIFIES 70 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THEIR CONGRESSIONAL CAUCUS

If the Socialist PARTY sees 70 members of Congress that hold the same ideology as the socialist Party... falls into "walks like duck,quacks like a duck" maybe it is a duck!

 

[healthmyths]

Their CEO doesn't pay enough in taxes...or many of their exec's

How do you know what their CEO paid in taxes??
Do you think Obama didn't pay enough taxes?
in 2010 Obama's taxable income was $1,728,096
245,075 14.18% of his income as donations to charities
49,945 home mortgage interest
122,527 Long term capital loss CARRYOVER!!! 7% sheltered income!!
and paid: $453,770 26.26% of gross income.

So you demand the CEOs but don't you demand Obama NOT to take
ONLY 14.18% for donations... WHY didn't he do as Bush did give 23% of an income half the income of Obama's?

President and Mrs. George W. Bush reported taxable income of $719, 274 for the tax year 2007
The Bushes contributed a total of $165,660 [23%] to churches and charitable organizations.
federal income taxes,paid $221,635 or 30%!
Bush earned $719,000 in 2007 - CNN.com

Obama using every tax loophole paid 26% in Federal taxes... Bush paid 30%!!

hypocrites like Obama ATTACKING all the tax loopholes supposedly EVIL Wealthy people take YET HE wrote off in tax loopholes:
24% of his income using tax loopholes!!!

 

[Saigon]

Healthmyths -

Your source is a blog, and your information is obviously false.