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Freon needs less energy to make it cold, hence less generation of all them eeeevilll greenhouse gasses all you liberoidal moonbats constantly snivel about.I'm talking about this particular energy efficiency guideline.
Did you people cry when a/c, freezers, etc. were forced to be made energy efficient?
yes I did and do, freon was the best, I am old enough to remember freon car AC and it was a GREAT deal colder.72 degrees is 72 degrees.
The incandescents don't last very long.
I'm talking about this particular energy efficiency guideline.
Did you people cry when a/c, freezers, etc. were forced to be made energy efficient?
yes I did and do, freon was the best, I am old enough to remember freon car AC and it was a GREAT deal colder.
Why should we get rid of something when theres nothing wrong with it? Energy Efficiency my ass! Save energy by turning off the lights when you leave the room, or don't have 20 in one room! Besides, in a modern contemporary setting,(or any setting for that matter) CFLs are just downright gaudy. They look like garden hoses. At least we know the GOP's got SOME sense.
Why should we get rid of something when theres nothing wrong with it? Energy Efficiency my ass! Save energy by turning off the lights when you leave the room, or don't have 20 in one room! Besides, in a modern contemporary setting,(or any setting for that matter) CFLs are just downright gaudy. They look like garden hoses. At least we know the GOP's got SOME sense.
You mean like the Texas super collider that cost $2 billion and never got built?
Why am I not surprised they'd waste time on that silly issue? It's simple enough that even dim lightbulbs like the noob Republicans can understand. I suppose once they repeal new lightbulbs, they'll crowd around the microphones and tell us all how smart they are.
You really are one of the Stupidest People on USMB.
It's pointless to try to explain to you how the government micro managing our personal choices of light bulbs is a violation of our individual liberty. You support a woman's right to choose to have an abortion, but not the light bulbs she uses in her house.
What a rabid loon.
Thanks for confirming where your priorities lie.
The opposition to the required use of CF bulbs have made a big deal about the mercury content and it's effect on the environment. Today the average CF contains 4mg of mercury. Some of the new CF's contain 1 to 2mg. By comparison a mercury thermometer contains 500mg.
Most mercury vapor inside fluorescent light bulbs becomes bound to the inside of the light bulb as it is used. EPA estimates that the rest of the mercury within a CFL about 11 percent is released into air or water when it is sent to a landfill, assuming the light bulb is broken. Therefore, if all 272 million CFLs
sold in 2009 were sent to a landfill (versus recycled, as a worst case) they would add 0.12 metric tons, or 0.12 percent, to U.S. mercury emissions caused by humans. And this is only if the bulbs are not recycled.
http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/promotions/change_light/downloads/Fact_Sheet_Mercury.pdf
Exposure to mercury can occur from breathing contaminated air,[6] from eating foods which have acquired mercury residues during processing,[7] from exposure to mercury vapor in mercury amalgam dental restorations,[8] and from improper use or disposal of mercury and mercury-containing objects, for example, after spills of elemental mercury or improper disposal of fluorescent lamps./quote]
Mercury poisoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Before Cleanup
1. Have people and pets leave the room, and avoid the breakage area on the way out.
2. Open a window or door to the outdoors and leave the room for 5-10 minutes.
3. Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning (H&AC) system, if you have one.
4. Collect materials you will need to clean up the broken bulb:
* Stiff paper or cardboard
* Sticky tape (e.g., duct tape)
* Damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes (for hard surfaces)
* Glass jar with a metal lid (such as a canning jar) or a sealable plastic bag(s)
Cleanup Steps for Hard Surfaces
1. Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place debris and paper/cardboard in a glass jar with a metal lid. If a glass jar is not available, use a sealable plastic bag. (NOTE: Since a plastic bag will not prevent the mercury vapor from escaping, remove the plastic bag(s) from the home after cleanup.)
2. Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder. Place the used tape in the glass jar or plastic bag.
3. Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place the towels in the glass jar or plastic bag.
4. Vacuuming of hard surfaces during cleanup is not recommended unless broken glass remains after all other cleanup steps have been taken. [NOTE: It is possible that vacuuming could spread mercury-containing powder or mercury vapor, although available information on this problem is limited.] If vacuuming is needed to ensure removal of all broken glass, keep the following tips in mind:
* Keep a window or door to the outdoors open;
* Vacuum the area where the bulb was broken using the vacuum hose, if available; and
* Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister) and seal the bag/vacuum debris, and any materials used to clean the vacuum, in a plastic bag.
5. Promptly place all bulb debris and cleanup materials, including vacuum cleaner bags, outdoors in a trash container or protected area until materials can be disposed of properly.
* Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your area. Some states and communities require fluorescent bulbs (broken or unbroken) be taken to a local recycling center.
6. Wash your hands with soap and water after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing bulb debris and cleanup materials.
7. Continue to air out the room where the bulb was broken and leave the H&AC system shut off, as practical, for several hours.
Cleanup Steps for Carpeting or Rugs
1. Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place debris and paper/cardboard in a glass jar with a metal lid. If a glass jar is not available, use a sealable plastic bag. (NOTE: Since a plastic bag will not prevent the mercury vapor from escaping, remove the plastic bag(s) from the home after cleanup.)
2. Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder. Place the used tape in the glass jar or plastic bag.
3. Vacuuming of carpeting or rugs during cleanup is not recommended unless broken glass remains after all other cleanup steps have been taken. [NOTE: It is possible that vacuuming could spread mercury-containing powder or mercury vapor, although available information on this problem is limited.] If vacuuming is needed to ensure removal of all broken glass, keep the following tips in mind:
* Keep a window or door to the outdoors open;
* Vacuum the area where the bulb was broken using the vacuum hose, if available, and
* Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister) and seal the bag/vacuum debris, and any materials used to clean the vacuum, in a plastic bag.
4. Promptly place all bulb debris and cleanup materials, including vacuum cleaner bags, outdoors in a trash container or protected area until materials can be disposed of properly.
* Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your area. Some states and communities require fluorescent bulbs (broken or unbroken) be taken to a local recycling center.
5. Wash your hands with soap and water after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing bulb debris and cleanup materials.
6. Continue to air out the room where the bulb was broken and leave the H&AC system shut off, as practical, for several hours
Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rugs: Air Out the Room During and After Vacuuming
1. The next several times you vacuum the rug or carpet, shut off the H&AC system if you have one, close the doors to other rooms, and open a window or door to the outside before vacuuming. Change the vacuum bag after each use in this area.
2. After vacuuming is completed, keep the H&AC system shut off and the window or door to the outside open, as practical, for several hours.
Liberoidal do-gooder windbags aren't interested in the negative extrnalities of that authoritarian do-goodery.The opposition to the required use of CF bulbs have made a big deal about the mercury content and it's effect on the environment. Today the average CF contains 4mg of mercury. Some of the new CF's contain 1 to 2mg. By comparison a mercury thermometer contains 500mg.
Most mercury vapor inside fluorescent light bulbs becomes bound to the inside of the light bulb as it is used. EPA estimates that the rest of the mercury within a CFL – about 11 percent is released into air or water when it is sent to a landfill, assuming the light bulb is broken. Therefore, if all 272 million CFLs
sold in 2009 were sent to a landfill (versus recycled, as a worst case) – they would add 0.12 metric tons, or 0.12 percent, to U.S. mercury emissions caused by humans. And this is only if the bulbs are not recycled.
http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/promotions/change_light/downloads/Fact_Sheet_Mercury.pdf
Mercury thermometers have been phased out for taking temps in people and they've been banned in many countries. My oldest is 21 and I barely remember them using one of these thermometers on her. Digital has been the norm for quite some time.
If the bulb was sent to a landfill it will no doubt be or get broken. What happens when 20 years passes and all those cfls are being dumped into the landfills? What are the unintended consequences?
With all the problems we face, the GOP is focused on light bulbs. Ain't that swell.
Joe "The Free Marketer" Barton shouldn't be using free market arguments, especially after he voted yes for the auto bailout, cash for clunkers, agricultural subsidies, banning internet gambling, among other things. Yet, this goon parades around and uses the free market for incandescent light bulbs.
This is just more GOP dumbass talking points.
I don't know Barton's voting record completely but i'll take your word on that. I can only speak for myself. I don't agree with his votes on those other issues but i do agree with him on this. Government Banning light bulbs and forcing Citizens to buy a particular light bulb just isn't right. It's a ridiculous Government over-reach. Let the People decide for themselves which light bulb they want to use. This should not be a Government issue at all.
What other things "shouldn't" the government restrict your right to buy?
Kiddie porn?
LAWS Rockets?
Thermal Nuclear Devices?
Slaves?
Do tell..
I don't know where so many get the idea that we have an inherent right to pollute.
Newsflash: Energy efficient bulbs already exist and have for a couple of years. Incandescents are not going away.
Incandescent Bulbs Return to the Cutting Edge - NYTimes.com
This is just more bullshit legislation from the lying, asswipe Republicans who can do nothing productive so they spend their time in power whining, lying, and being divisive.
Researchers across the country have been racing to breathe new life into Thomas Edisons light bulb, a pursuit that accelerated with the new legislation.
Indeed, the incandescent bulb is turning into a case study of the way government mandates can spur innovation.
Energy efficient lightbulbs use less energy, hence cutting down on pollution caused by inefficient electrical generators.
we won't bother with that cause it's yearrrrrs down the road.
Again, energy efficient incandescents are already on the market. Why must I keep repeating that point. You do not have to use CFLs. The mercury content is no different than the already existing for years and years tube light flourescents.Energy efficient lightbulbs use less energy, hence cutting down on pollution caused by inefficient electrical generators.
And uncle will come riding to the rescue for the problem(s) it created by insisting on cfls vs incandescents, rather than just letting the market and individuals decide ---which they were doing. Government needn't have interfered as changes were already happening. Natch. But
I noticed you ignored the rest of my post.
Again, energy efficient incandescents are already on the market. Why must I keep repeating that point. You do not have to use CFLs. The mercury content is no different than the already existing for years and years tube light flourescents.Energy efficient lightbulbs use less energy, hence cutting down on pollution caused by inefficient electrical generators.
And uncle will come riding to the rescue for the problem(s) it created by insisting on cfls vs incandescents, rather than just letting the market and individuals decide ---which they were doing. Government needn't have interfered as changes were already happening. Natch. But
I noticed you ignored the rest of my post.
Hello?
Please. You don't care about phosphates leaching into the water so why should I believe you are concerned about mercury?Again, energy efficient incandescents are already on the market. Why must I keep repeating that point. You do not have to use CFLs. The mercury content is no different than the already existing for years and years tube light flourescents.And uncle will come riding to the rescue for the problem(s) it created by insisting on cfls vs incandescents, rather than just letting the market and individuals decide ---which they were doing. Government needn't have interfered as changes were already happening. Natch. But
I noticed you ignored the rest of my post.
Hello?
And yet government still feels the need to butt in.
'the mercury content is no different'. And what happens in 20 or 30 years when all these bulbs -- dont' forget, tons of folks are gobbling up the cfls for in-home use -- end up in landfills? Oh that's right, that's years away ... we won't concern ourselves with those consequences of our present energy efficiency goals!
I thought the left loved mother earth.
Please. You don't care about phosphates leaching into the water so why should I believe you are concerned about mercury?Again, energy efficient incandescents are already on the market. Why must I keep repeating that point. You do not have to use CFLs. The mercury content is no different than the already existing for years and years tube light flourescents.
Hello?
And yet government still feels the need to butt in.
'the mercury content is no different'. And what happens in 20 or 30 years when all these bulbs -- dont' forget, tons of folks are gobbling up the cfls for in-home use -- end up in landfills? Oh that's right, that's years away ... we won't concern ourselves with those consequences of our present energy efficiency goals!
I thought the left loved mother earth.
Please. You don't care about phosphates leaching into the water so why should I believe you are concerned about mercury?Again, energy efficient incandescents are already on the market. Why must I keep repeating that point. You do not have to use CFLs. The mercury content is no different than the already existing for years and years tube light flourescents.
Hello?
And yet government still feels the need to butt in.
'the mercury content is no different'. And what happens in 20 or 30 years when all these bulbs -- dont' forget, tons of folks are gobbling up the cfls for in-home use -- end up in landfills? Oh that's right, that's years away ... we won't concern ourselves with those consequences of our present energy efficiency goals!
I thought the left loved mother earth.
Please. You don't care about phosphates leaching into the water so why should I believe you are concerned about mercury?And yet government still feels the need to butt in.
'the mercury content is no different'. And what happens in 20 or 30 years when all these bulbs -- dont' forget, tons of folks are gobbling up the cfls for in-home use -- end up in landfills? Oh that's right, that's years away ... we won't concern ourselves with those consequences of our present energy efficiency goals!
I thought the left loved mother earth.
Get back to me when commercial and agriculture have been required to stop using phosphates.
How much mercury do power plants emit to light a CFL?
About 50 percent of the electricity produced in the U.S. is generated by coal-fired power plants. When coal burns to produce electricity, mercury naturally contained in the coal releases into the air. In 2006, coal-fired power plants produced 1,971 billion kilowatt hours (kwh) of electricity, emitting 50.7 tons of mercury into the airthe equivalent amount of mercury contained in more than 9 billion CFLs (the bulbs emit zero mercury when in use or being handled).
Approximately 0.0234 mg of mercuryplus carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxidereleases into the air per 1 kwh of electricity that a coal-fired power plant generates. Over the 7500-hour average range of one CFL, then, a plant will emit 13.16 mg of mercury to sustain a 75-watt incandescent bulb but only 3.51 mg of mercury to sustain a 20-watt CFL (the lightning equivalent of a 75-watt traditional bulb). Even if the mercury contained in a CFL was directly released into the atmosphere, an incandescent would still contribute 4.65 more milligrams of mercury into the environment over its lifetime.
Please. You don't care about phosphates leaching into the water so why should I believe you are concerned about mercury?
Get back to me when commercial and agriculture have been required to stop using phosphates.
btw, CFLs overall reduce the amount of mercury that is spewed into the environment so your argument doesn't fly.
How much mercury do power plants emit to light a CFL?
About 50 percent of the electricity produced in the U.S. is generated by coal-fired power plants. When coal burns to produce electricity, mercury naturally contained in the coal releases into the air. In 2006, coal-fired power plants produced 1,971 billion kilowatt hours (kwh) of electricity, emitting 50.7 tons of mercury into the airthe equivalent amount of mercury contained in more than 9 billion CFLs (the bulbs emit zero mercury when in use or being handled).
Approximately 0.0234 mg of mercuryplus carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxidereleases into the air per 1 kwh of electricity that a coal-fired power plant generates. Over the 7500-hour average range of one CFL, then, a plant will emit 13.16 mg of mercury to sustain a 75-watt incandescent bulb but only 3.51 mg of mercury to sustain a 20-watt CFL (the lightning equivalent of a 75-watt traditional bulb). Even if the mercury contained in a CFL was directly released into the atmosphere, an incandescent would still contribute 4.65 more milligrams of mercury into the environment over its lifetime.
Compact Fluorescent Bulbs and Mercury: Reality Check - Popular Mechanics
In the past decade, hundreds of Chinese factory workers who manufacture CFLs for export to first world countries were being poisoned and hospitalized because of mercury exposure. Examples include workers at the Nanhai Feiyang lighting factory in Foshan, where 68 out of 72 were so badly poisoned that they required hospitalization. At another CFL factory in Jinzhou, 121 out of 123 employees were found to have excessive mercury levels, with one employee's mercury level 150 times the accepted standard.[63]
