House passes far-reaching bill to limit abortions

[Vox]

Medical science has advanced beyond the law. We now know that at 20 weeks, babies have developed nerve receptors and feel the pain of being ripped apart. That's certainly cruel and unusual punishment since we are supposedly a people that doesn't torture the guilty, much less the innocent.

That's total bull.

There's no scientific consensus that a fetus can feel pain, let alone comprehend it.

your statement is a total bull. educate yourself before exposing your stupidity.

If a baby in-utero does not feel pain how come she is anesthetized for fetal surgery?

Anaesthesia for Fetal Surgeries

Midgestation Open fetal Surgery

This is similar to the EXIT procedures as far as the exposure of the fetus is concerned but is done in the second trimester( starting from 12 weeks to 24 weeks - Vox).Since the fetus is returned to the uterus after completion of the intervention, the parturient requires tocolysis and fluid restriction.

The mother is induced by rapid sequence technique. An arterial catheter is placed before increasing the concentration of volatile anaesthetic upto two and a half MACs( that is EXTREMELY high, but otherwise it would not get into the fetal circulation and anesthetize the fetus - Vox). Fetal monitoring is done with pulse oximetry and echocardiography. Fetal analgesia may be supplemented with intravenous or intramuscular medication. After completion of the intervention the fetus is returned to the uterus

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thank God next year there's free BC and abortion numbers will be decimated.
TY, Dems.

OP- This is pure politics, and stupid politics at that...The GOP is begging to get bounced in 2014.

A supermajority of Americans support abortion bans past 20 weeks. Banning such abortions will actually score points for the GOP.

Knowing this, you can count on the left leaning media outlets to go into double overtime trying to find some Republican dimwit somewhere in the wilds of Missouri or somesuch place to say something really, really, really stupid about abortions. Then they will extrapolate the idiot's comments onto all Republicans.

A tried and true method of the pro-choice media.

But it is a simple fact a supermajority of Americans are not opposed to such legislation. So dream on.

Abortion after 20 weeks is already almost dead except by gosnells - a sane OB/GYN will not perform this and a sane anesthesiologist will not provide anesthesia for this and a sane scrub tech and circulator nurse will not assist as well.

And that is how it will become almost extinct altogether - as the frontiers of fetal medicine and intervention move more and more to the earliest stages of life in utero - more and more doctors and nurses do not want to be involved in murder.

Not everyone can live with a dichotomy of saving the life of a baby one day and ruining the life of the baby of the same age the next one.

Much of what you say is true, and much of that will become irrelevant as more day after pills and better contraceptive education becomes even more available.

Abortions and unwanted pregnancies will continue to decline in the years ahead.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

House passes far-reaching bill to limit abortions

Forcing a woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy is the equivalent of rape. It forces her to lose control of her own body.

Really?

Definition of rape:

unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent.
Rape - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

So now....you being a liberal trying to morph a well defined word to fit your mantra????
So typical.

Once you move the truth, it's no longer the truth.

You struck out kid, head to the dugout.

The American Heritage Dictionary definition of Rape--...
2. Carrying away by force.

That is what society does to women when they outlaw a medical procedure. The force they are using makes them lose control which is what rape is.

 

[JakeStarkey]

House passes far-reaching bill to limit abortions

Forcing a woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy is the equivalent of rape. It forces her to lose control of her own body.

Really?

Definition of rape:

unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent.
Rape - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

So now....you being a liberal trying to morph a well defined word to fit your mantra????
So typical.

Once you move the truth, it's no longer the truth.

You struck out kid, head to the dugout.

The American Heritage Dictionary definition of Rape--...
2. Carrying away by force.

That is what society does to women when they outlaw a medical procedure. The force they are using makes them lose control which is what rape is.

Too severe abortion laws are a metaphysical rape of a woman's right to control her reproductive ability.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Medical science has advanced beyond the law. We now know that at 20 weeks, babies have developed nerve receptors and feel the pain of being ripped apart. That's certainly cruel and unusual punishment since we are supposedly a people that doesn't torture the guilty, much less the innocent.

That's total bull.

There's no scientific consensus that a fetus can feel pain, let alone comprehend it.

your statement is a total bull. educate yourself before exposing your stupidity.

If a baby in-utero does not feel pain how come she is anesthetized for fetal surgery?

Anaesthesia for Fetal Surgeries

Midgestation Open fetal Surgery

This is similar to the EXIT procedures as far as the exposure of the fetus is concerned but is done in the second trimester( starting from 12 weeks to 24 weeks - Vox).Since the fetus is returned to the uterus after completion of the intervention, the parturient requires tocolysis and fluid restriction.

The mother is induced by rapid sequence technique. An arterial catheter is placed before increasing the concentration of volatile anaesthetic upto two and a half MACs( that is EXTREMELY high, but otherwise it would not get into the fetal circulation and anesthetize the fetus - Vox). Fetal monitoring is done with pulse oximetry and echocardiography. Fetal analgesia may be supplemented with intravenous or intramuscular medication. After completion of the intervention the fetus is returned to the uterus

You don't even understand your own link.

Anesthesia is transferred from the mother to the fetus. In any case that doesn't prove a fetus feels pain

You obviously don't understand what scientific consensus means.

 

[ScienceRocks]

You'll admit that a baby one month before birth and birth=likely feels pain. Now I doubt they feel pain until 20-24 weeks so that should be ok.

Hell for the inner-city mothers they should be allowed to abort when ever.

 

[Vox]

That's total bull.

There's no scientific consensus that a fetus can feel pain, let alone comprehend it.

your statement is a total bull. educate yourself before exposing your stupidity.

If a baby in-utero does not feel pain how come she is anesthetized for fetal surgery?

Anaesthesia for Fetal Surgeries

Midgestation Open fetal Surgery

This is similar to the EXIT procedures as far as the exposure of the fetus is concerned but is done in the second trimester( starting from 12 weeks to 24 weeks - Vox).Since the fetus is returned to the uterus after completion of the intervention, the parturient requires tocolysis and fluid restriction.

The mother is induced by rapid sequence technique. An arterial catheter is placed before increasing the concentration of volatile anaesthetic upto two and a half MACs( that is EXTREMELY high, but otherwise it would not get into the fetal circulation and anesthetize the fetus - Vox). Fetal monitoring is done with pulse oximetry and echocardiography. Fetal analgesia may be supplemented with intravenous or intramuscular medication. After completion of the intervention the fetus is returned to the uterus

You don't even understand your own link.

Anesthesia is transferred from the mother to the fetus. In any case that doesn't prove a fetus feels pain

You obviously don't understand what scientific consensus means.

dude, it means the fetus HAS TO BE ANESTHETIZED in order to perform surgery - which is the same as stating - fetus has to be prevented from feeling pain - anesthesia is administered to prevent nociceptive transmission, which is pain

are you mentally challenged?

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Here's a paper that concludes that fetuses can NOT feel pain.

Controversy: Can fetuses feel pain?

 

[Vox]

You'll admit that a baby one month before birth and birth=likely feels pain. Now I doubt they feel pain until 20-24 weeks so that should be ok.

Hell for the inner-city mothers they should be allowed to abort when ever.

tell that to the team of fetal surgeons and fetal anesthesiologists who are about to perform fetal surgery in the second trimester ( which is before 24 weeks gestational age)

 

[ScienceRocks]

We should have a abortion shop every block throughout cities like Chicago, New York, Philly, Atlanta.

 

[Vox]

Here's a paper that concludes that fetuses can NOT feel pain.

Controversy: Can fetuses feel pain?

this paper is useless - if the fetuses would not feel pain there would not be fetal anesthesia in the second trimester

 

[Clementine]

House passes far-reaching bill to limit abortions

Forcing a woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy is the equivalent of rape. It forces her to lose control of her own body.

The bill merely states that an abortion of convenience must happen at 20 weeks or less. I am quite sure that any woman with a clue would know whether she wanted an abortion within that time frame. After 20 weeks, it gets dangerous, especially considering that liberals are trying to stop doctors from doing tests that would show any potential complications. I do know of babies being born at the 20 week point and they survived.

Has anyone ever considered that many medical personnel just plain can't stomach killing a baby at that stage? Why should they be forced to do so for no good reason?

I don't get it. Contraceptives are available to anyone. Morning after pills are available to anyone. If those two fail, abortions are available. Why in the hell would someone wait 5 months to decide they don't want the baby?

In cases where the mother's life is in danger and that is really the ONLY REASON for a late term abortion, then why do they kill the baby when it's harder on the mother to stop midway through delivery to do that?

Fact is that too many are simply full of shit and this has become a pet cause, so they don't want any restrictions and are willing to sacrifice the woman's well being.

When will the left admit that this is about population control? Planned Parenthood was started by a woman who wanted to ensure that minorities never became the majority. And the left has always supported PP and always will. The minorities that do make it into this world are coveted by the left so they can enable them to be dependent and vote Democrat. The meanie righties would rather teach each and every person how valuable they are and that it's important to reach their full potential. Meanie leftie says they have no potential and can't do anything on their own. They all need big brother to lead them or they'd fuck up.

 

[ScienceRocks]

This BILL needs to be rewritten to exclude the ban within our inner-cities. We don't want Detroit's spreading throughout our nation.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I repeat: The bill bans abortions after 20 weeks, with exceptions to save the life of the mother or for cases of rape and incest.

67 percent of Americans are in favor of such a ban.

This is not going to harm the GOP at all.

The bill won't become law. It was a waste of time. If the GOP really wanted to ban abortions they would have passed this bill when Bush was POTUS and the GOP controlled both the House and Senate.

I believe the GOP wants abortion to remain a wedge issue, so they can promise the Social Conservatives for the next 40 years they oppose abortion. Since R v. W in 1973 they have manipulated the Social Conservatives in the belief Republicans oppose abortion on moral principles; in reality the only principle the GOP values is to win elections, under any means possible, and support the banks, insurance industry and the military-Industrial Complex which funds them. The have manipulated the Social Conservatives so well that they vote against their own economic self interest.

 

[tinydancer]

Here's a paper that concludes that fetuses can NOT feel pain.

Controversy: Can fetuses feel pain?

You didn't read your own article did you? Where did you get your talking points?

Look who published this study. Planned Parenthood and Pro Choice consultant.

I thank Peter Gianaros for critiquing an earlier version of this manuscript, Ian Apperly for critical review comments and additions to figure 1, and Maria Fitzgerald for review of figure 1.

Contributors and sources: SWGD has studied and reported widely on pain and the difficulty of subjectivity. This article arose from several discussions on possible changes in abortion law to avoid pain in fetuses.

Funding: This author is supported by a grant from the Pittsburgh Foundation and the John F and Nancy A Emmerling Fund.

Competing interests: SWGD has served as an unpaid consultant for Planned Parenthood of Virginia, USA and Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin, USA, and for the Pro-Choice Forum, United Kingdom.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1440624/

 

[tinydancer]

Here's a paper that concludes that fetuses can NOT feel pain.

Controversy: Can fetuses feel pain?

this paper is useless - if the fetuses would not feel pain there would not be fetal anesthesia in the second trimester

The gentleman who published these findings is an unpaid consultant for Planned Parenthood USA and Pro Choice Britain.

'nuff said.

 

[Vox]

Here's a paper that concludes that fetuses can NOT feel pain.

Controversy: Can fetuses feel pain?

this paper is useless - if the fetuses would not feel pain there would not be fetal anesthesia in the second trimester

The gentleman who published these findings is an unpaid consultant for Planned Parenthood USA and Pro Choice Britain.

'nuff said.

Even better

 

[Zoom-boing]

House passes far-reaching bill to limit abortions

Forcing a woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy is the equivalent of rape. It forces her to lose control of her own body.

How does this bill force a woman to go through with a pregnancy?

The above few idiots completely failed to understand my point that a forced pregnancy is the equivalent of rape.

Outlawing abortion past 20 weeks forces a woman to go through with a pregnancy she may not want.

Man, this thread just shows how utterly incapable conservatives are of basic reading comprehension.

She can get an abortion up until the 20th week. Again, how does this bill force a woman to go through with a pregnancy? Answer: it doesn't. Your bolded statement is a lie.

Are you ok with abortion any time throughout pregnancy?

 

[ScienceRocks]

We can solve part of our inner-city crime problem through free abortions! Think about it for a second.

 

[Zoom-boing]

You'll admit that a baby one month before birth and birth=likely feels pain. Now I doubt they feel pain until 20-24 weeks so that should be ok.

Hell for the inner-city mothers they should be allowed to abort when ever.

Really? So feeling pain is the litmus test for a human being?

Congenital insensitivity to pain refers to those persons who cannot feel (and have never felt) physical pain.

So offing them is ok in your book?