House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Welcome to America where you can be found mentally incompetent of handling YOUR MONEY but you can still get a gun.

Just remember that next time you try to rob a senior citizen.

This ruling had nothing to do with senior citizens. They could be crazier than a shithouse rat and Social Security would never know. The only way they would be a member of the "class" of people would be if their loved ones had initiated an action proclaiming them incompetent.

This ruling mostly applies to mentally disabled collecting SSI. They are not elderly. It has been determined that they cannot work, and they have contributed so little to Social Security that they can't collect disability. The 23 year old mentally challenged individual that holds a "completion certificate" instead of a HS diploma. Never had a job, lives at home with Mom. Not capable of making a purchase at a convenience store without assistance. But lets go ahead and allow him the ability to stroll up to the counter at a pawn shop and stroll out with an AR-15.

Beam me up Scottie, there is no intelligent life here.

Got a link to that information or is this a figment of an overactive imagination?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It makes no sense to not support that rule. So it's ok for severely mentally ill or disabled people to buy guns then you have stuff like Sandy Hook????

Why are you so intent on lying? Should mods be allowed to do that?

What does Sandy Hook have to do with this topic in any way, shape or form?

The shooter killed his mother, stole her guns, and shot up an elementary school full of kids. Now, relate that to the topic, or you should delete your off-topic ramblings.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

More evidence the NRA is a terrorist organization, and the fools who posted #2 & #3 above who enable the NRA to put profit over the people.

statists look for any reason to take away ones liberties.

Could I please have liberty to be safe from a maniac living down the street? Without having to own an arsenal myself? What about ME? Don't my rights to safety count at all? Maybe the list isn't the right people or the right diagnosis, but in the meantime, does that mean they can go buy a gun? The federales are doing everything they can to shy away from determining particular diagnoses that are considered "dangerous." Psychiatrists are no doubt afraid to be sued if they report a patient as "dangerous," so they don't.
And I or my friend or my son get shot because some people shy from calling a nutcase a nutcase.
Okay, so how else do we keep guns from the hands of the severely mentally ill?

We ensure people who ARE mentally ill are adjudicated as such and the proper steps taken. Not following the rules leads to chaos.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

More evidence the NRA is a terrorist organization, and the fools who posted #2 & #3 above who enable the NRA to put profit over the people.

statists look for any reason to take away ones liberties.

Should criminals have guns?
Should children have guns?

No.
Yes, if they have someone training them. I've had one since that was my 10th birthday gift. It came with some training and how to take care of it. I'm thinking I should have had one at about eight.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The headline is a BLATANT LIE. The rule made it so if you were assigned by the SS that you could not handle your finances then you are somehow incompetent to own a fire arm. That is NOT severe mental illness at ALL. Get your facts straight before lying to us all.

Facts.

This order applied only to individuals receiving Social Security benefits through a Representative payee account. From the SSA website.

The law requires most minor children and all legally incompetent adults to have payees.

Social Security Administration - Representative Payee Program

These are people who have been determined by a court to be mentally defective, in other words, "adjudicated". Now, what is the definition of somewhat "dangerously mentally ill" and forbidden BY LAW from purchasing a handgun"

Dangerously Mentally Ill: Federal law prohibits firearm possession by individuals who have been “committed to a mental institution” or “adjudicated as a mental defective.”

Categories of Prohibited People | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

So again, you are defending the right of gun sellers to remain ignorant to the fact that their buyer has been adjudicated mentally defective and therefore forbidden from purchasing a gun.

Why is that adjudication not entered into NICS? You are barking up the wrong tree here!

 

[Missouri_Mike]

No right is unrestricted, why is it the NRA and their supporters think that the 2nd Amendment should have no restrictions?

Because you're the one that thinks you know it all and want to place the restrictions. How about you just fuck off and do what the 2nd says?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

As it was written, it was too broad and took away rights from people who posed no danger. People have a right to protect themselves and this law was intended to strip rights on a wide scale. And the left found ways to paint everyone as mentally ill. Depressed over the loss of a loved one? You're mentally unstable.

I wonder if all those rioters in the streets who are beating up innocent people and calling for a bloody revolution should have their rights denied. They are the problem with society, along with the gangs and other scum.

Ignorance. It is

ALREADY ILLEGAL

to sell every single person on this list a gun.

Nobody's rights are being taken away, except for the gun sellers right to remain ignorant.

How would a gun dealer know if the information that they have been adjudicated mentally deficient if it was not subject to the background check?

You gun-grabbers are arguing in circles and tripping over your own feet!

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Amazing. People are arguing that mentally ill folks should be allowed to own guns.

Not at all. What we are saying is you don't get to determine who those people are without a trial.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The headline is a BLATANT LIE. The rule made it so if you were assigned by the SS that you could not handle your finances then you are somehow incompetent to own a fire arm. That is NOT severe mental illness at ALL. Get your facts straight before lying to us all.

Facts.

This order applied only to individuals receiving Social Security benefits through a Representative payee account. From the SSA website.

The law requires most minor children and all legally incompetent adults to have payees.

Social Security Administration - Representative Payee Program

The law requires most minor children and all legally incompetent adults to have payees.

Dangerously Mentally Ill: Federal law prohibits firearm possession by individuals who have been “committed to a mental institution” or “adjudicated as a mental defective.”

Categories of Prohibited People | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

So again, you are defending the right of gun sellers to remain ignorant to the fact that their buyer has been adjudicated mentally defective and therefore forbidden from purchasing a gun.

"The law requires most minor children and all legally incompetent adults to have payees".

Are you trying to claim that most minor children are dangerously mentally ill and have been adjudicated mentally defective?
Do you claim that only those who have been adjudicated mentally defective have a representative payee account?
If Federal law is unconstitutional it is invalid.

Yes, that is pretty much what I am saying. First, the minor children are not part of the discussion, unless you want to argue that minor children have a constitutional right to buy firearms.

And yep, every one that as a "representative payee account" has been adjudicated mentally defective, unless they are a minor. Mentally defective and unable to handle their personal finances. This IS NOT great grandmaw that has her check deposited to a shared account with her daughter. This is a SPECIAL account. It requires all kinds of paperwork. The money must be used for specific purposes. Reports have to be filed. And the individual in question is not legally allowed to buy a handgun.

Good! Then we didn't need the law anyway! Right? It is a good thing that it is on its way to being repealed.

You are doing a bang-up job of losing the argument you are trying to win.

Liberal gun grabbers cannot even tell when they are arguing against themselves.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Ignorance. It is

ALREADY ILLEGAL

to sell every single person on this list a gun.

Nobody's rights are being taken away, except for the gun sellers right to remain ignorant.

Wrong. They use arbitrary guidelines for denying people their 2nd amendment right.
.

Wrong--the "guidelines" are simple. If you have a special payee account with Social Security meaning you have been adjudicated mentally incapable of handling your own personal finances and a judge as assigned a special payee to receive your funds, then you are placed on a list with the other individuals that can't legally purchase a firearm so that when you make an attempt the dealer has no excuse and can't claim he didn't know you were incapable of legally purchasing a firearm.

Again, you just proved the law was unnecessary and superfluous!

Great job!

You should have been an Obama Press Secretary with that ability at doublespeak!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In Trumpville, immigrants trying to escape death are banned from entering the US, while the mentally ill get to have guns.

Nothing to see, here, folks. Just the same old stuff.

BTW. I am a retired Chartered Financial Consultant, and thanks to the GOP, I can now legally charge you a fee to advise you to buy an investment that is not so good for you, but pays me a fat commission. I might as well get out my old republican polyester canary yellow golfing pants, and get back into the game!

In obamaville, he takes away a person's right to defend himself, while he brings in hordes of muslims, a group know for causing terror where ever they emigrate to. These gun grabbers aren't worried about the safety of Americans, that's obvious.

...and yet,. not one single immigrant from the banned countries have ever murdered an American in a terrorist act, while mentally disturbed Americans with guns kill other Americans on a daily basis. In fact, most mass murderers in the USA are mentally disturbed, in one way or another, and the one who shot Gabby Gifford is a poster child of what I am talking about.

That is completely irrelevant to the discussion, but you knew that, didn't you?

 

[Winston]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

As it was written, it was too broad and took away rights from people who posed no danger. People have a right to protect themselves and this law was intended to strip rights on a wide scale. And the left found ways to paint everyone as mentally ill. Depressed over the loss of a loved one? You're mentally unstable.

I wonder if all those rioters in the streets who are beating up innocent people and calling for a bloody revolution should have their rights denied. They are the problem with society, along with the gangs and other scum.

Ignorance. It is

ALREADY ILLEGAL

to sell every single person on this list a gun.

Nobody's rights are being taken away, except for the gun sellers right to remain ignorant.

How would a gun dealer know if the information that they have been adjudicated mentally deficient if it was not subject to the background check?

You gun-grabbers are arguing in circles and tripping over your own feet!

EXACTLY

Which was the reason for the NEW Obama policy of sending the names of those adjudicated mentally deficient via the Social Security representative payee program to the NICS.

Legally, they can't own a gun. Is that not information that should be available to a dealer via the NICS? If not, why not? Because rather you realize it or not, if you are opposed to this action and support Trump's order you are supporting the continued ignorance of the gun dealer. Nothing else.

 

[Auld Phart]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

As it was written, it was too broad and took away rights from people who posed no danger. People have a right to protect themselves and this law was intended to strip rights on a wide scale. And the left found ways to paint everyone as mentally ill. Depressed over the loss of a loved one? You're mentally unstable.

I wonder if all those rioters in the streets who are beating up innocent people and calling for a bloody revolution should have their rights denied. They are the problem with society, along with the gangs and other scum.

Ignorance. It is

ALREADY ILLEGAL

to sell every single person on this list a gun.

Nobody's rights are being taken away, except for the gun sellers right to remain ignorant.

How would a gun dealer know if the information that they have been adjudicated mentally deficient if it was not subject to the background check?

You gun-grabbers are arguing in circles and tripping over your own feet!

EXACTLY

Which was the reason for the NEW Obama policy of sending the names of those adjudicated mentally deficient via the Social Security representative payee program to the NICS.

Legally, they can't own a gun. Is that not information that should be available to a dealer via the NICS? If not, why not? Because rather you realize it or not, if you are opposed to this action and support Trump's order you are supporting the continued ignorance of the gun dealer. Nothing else.

Legally can't own a gun?

Why?

Because they need help with their finances?

 

[Winston]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

As it was written, it was too broad and took away rights from people who posed no danger. People have a right to protect themselves and this law was intended to strip rights on a wide scale. And the left found ways to paint everyone as mentally ill. Depressed over the loss of a loved one? You're mentally unstable.

I wonder if all those rioters in the streets who are beating up innocent people and calling for a bloody revolution should have their rights denied. They are the problem with society, along with the gangs and other scum.

Ignorance. It is

ALREADY ILLEGAL

to sell every single person on this list a gun.

Nobody's rights are being taken away, except for the gun sellers right to remain ignorant.

How would a gun dealer know if the information that they have been adjudicated mentally deficient if it was not subject to the background check?

You gun-grabbers are arguing in circles and tripping over your own feet!

EXACTLY

Which was the reason for the NEW Obama policy of sending the names of those adjudicated mentally deficient via the Social Security representative payee program to the NICS.

Legally, they can't own a gun. Is that not information that should be available to a dealer via the NICS? If not, why not? Because rather you realize it or not, if you are opposed to this action and support Trump's order you are supporting the continued ignorance of the gun dealer. Nothing else.

Legally can't own a gun?

Why?

Because they need help with their finances?

Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money.

What moron argues that someone that does not have the mental capacity to adequately handle their own personal finances somehow does have the mental capacity to responsibly purchase a gun?

But the action does show the government is not afraid of crazy people with guns. The government is afraid of crazy people with MONEY.

 

[Auld Phart]

As it was written, it was too broad and took away rights from people who posed no danger. People have a right to protect themselves and this law was intended to strip rights on a wide scale. And the left found ways to paint everyone as mentally ill. Depressed over the loss of a loved one? You're mentally unstable.

I wonder if all those rioters in the streets who are beating up innocent people and calling for a bloody revolution should have their rights denied. They are the problem with society, along with the gangs and other scum.

Ignorance. It is

ALREADY ILLEGAL

to sell every single person on this list a gun.

Nobody's rights are being taken away, except for the gun sellers right to remain ignorant.

How would a gun dealer know if the information that they have been adjudicated mentally deficient if it was not subject to the background check?

You gun-grabbers are arguing in circles and tripping over your own feet!

EXACTLY

Which was the reason for the NEW Obama policy of sending the names of those adjudicated mentally deficient via the Social Security representative payee program to the NICS.

Legally, they can't own a gun. Is that not information that should be available to a dealer via the NICS? If not, why not? Because rather you realize it or not, if you are opposed to this action and support Trump's order you are supporting the continued ignorance of the gun dealer. Nothing else.

Legally can't own a gun?

Why?

Because they need help with their finances?

Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money.

What moron argues that someone that does not have the mental capacity to adequately handle their own personal finances somehow does have the mental capacity to responsibly purchase a gun?

But the action does show the government is not afraid of crazy people with guns. The government is afraid of crazy people with MONEY.

"Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money"

You can't be serious.

On second thought, you are, and just dont' realize how much a fool you are.

 

[Winston]

Ignorance. It is

ALREADY ILLEGAL

to sell every single person on this list a gun.

Nobody's rights are being taken away, except for the gun sellers right to remain ignorant.

How would a gun dealer know if the information that they have been adjudicated mentally deficient if it was not subject to the background check?

You gun-grabbers are arguing in circles and tripping over your own feet!

EXACTLY

Which was the reason for the NEW Obama policy of sending the names of those adjudicated mentally deficient via the Social Security representative payee program to the NICS.

Legally, they can't own a gun. Is that not information that should be available to a dealer via the NICS? If not, why not? Because rather you realize it or not, if you are opposed to this action and support Trump's order you are supporting the continued ignorance of the gun dealer. Nothing else.

Legally can't own a gun?

Why?

Because they need help with their finances?

Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money.

What moron argues that someone that does not have the mental capacity to adequately handle their own personal finances somehow does have the mental capacity to responsibly purchase a gun?

But the action does show the government is not afraid of crazy people with guns. The government is afraid of crazy people with MONEY.

"Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money"

You can't be serious.

On second thought, you are, and just dont' realize how much a fool you are.

WTF

Are you arguing that someone that does not have the mental capacity to handle their own money SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY A GUN?

And you call me a fool?

 

[Auld Phart]

How would a gun dealer know if the information that they have been adjudicated mentally deficient if it was not subject to the background check?

You gun-grabbers are arguing in circles and tripping over your own feet!

EXACTLY

Which was the reason for the NEW Obama policy of sending the names of those adjudicated mentally deficient via the Social Security representative payee program to the NICS.

Legally, they can't own a gun. Is that not information that should be available to a dealer via the NICS? If not, why not? Because rather you realize it or not, if you are opposed to this action and support Trump's order you are supporting the continued ignorance of the gun dealer. Nothing else.

Legally can't own a gun?

Why?

Because they need help with their finances?

Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money.

What moron argues that someone that does not have the mental capacity to adequately handle their own personal finances somehow does have the mental capacity to responsibly purchase a gun?

But the action does show the government is not afraid of crazy people with guns. The government is afraid of crazy people with MONEY.

"Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money"

You can't be serious.

On second thought, you are, and just dont' realize how much a fool you are.

WTF

Are you arguing that someone that does not have the mental capacity to handle their own money SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY A GUN?

And you call me a fool?

Yes.

Just because someone cannot handle their own finances does NOT mean they are incapable of handling a firearm.

 

[Winston]

EXACTLY

Which was the reason for the NEW Obama policy of sending the names of those adjudicated mentally deficient via the Social Security representative payee program to the NICS.

Legally, they can't own a gun. Is that not information that should be available to a dealer via the NICS? If not, why not? Because rather you realize it or not, if you are opposed to this action and support Trump's order you are supporting the continued ignorance of the gun dealer. Nothing else.

Legally can't own a gun?

Why?

Because they need help with their finances?

Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money.

What moron argues that someone that does not have the mental capacity to adequately handle their own personal finances somehow does have the mental capacity to responsibly purchase a gun?

But the action does show the government is not afraid of crazy people with guns. The government is afraid of crazy people with MONEY.

"Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money"

You can't be serious.

On second thought, you are, and just dont' realize how much a fool you are.

WTF

Are you arguing that someone that does not have the mental capacity to handle their own money SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY A GUN?

And you call me a fool?

Yes.

Just because someone cannot handle their own finances does NOT mean they are incapable of handling a firearm.

And you called me a fool.

LMAO

Welcome to America, where the mentally retarded can legally purchase a gun but can't be executed. Think about it. The mentally retarded don't have the mental capacity to understand capital punishment and therefore can not be given that sentence. But, they can buy a gun. Yep. They don't understand money. They don't understand capital punishment. But they can buy a gun.

Good God Almighty but the country is full of STEWPYD.

 

[Auld Phart]

Legally can't own a gun?

Why?

Because they need help with their finances?

Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money.

What moron argues that someone that does not have the mental capacity to adequately handle their own personal finances somehow does have the mental capacity to responsibly purchase a gun?

But the action does show the government is not afraid of crazy people with guns. The government is afraid of crazy people with MONEY.

"Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money"

You can't be serious.

On second thought, you are, and just dont' realize how much a fool you are.

WTF

Are you arguing that someone that does not have the mental capacity to handle their own money SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY A GUN?

And you call me a fool?

Yes.

Just because someone cannot handle their own finances does NOT mean they are incapable of handling a firearm.

And you called me a fool.

LMAO

Welcome to America, where the mentally retarded can legally purchase a gun but can't be executed. Think about it. The mentally retarded don't have the mental capacity to understand capital punishment and therefore can not be given that sentence. But, they can buy a gun. Yep. They don't understand money. They don't understand capital punishment. But they can buy a gun.

Good God Almighty but the country is full of STEWPYD.

STEWPYD.

as you prove, over and over again.

 

[Iceweasel]

As it was written, it was too broad and took away rights from people who posed no danger. People have a right to protect themselves and this law was intended to strip rights on a wide scale. And the left found ways to paint everyone as mentally ill. Depressed over the loss of a loved one? You're mentally unstable.

I wonder if all those rioters in the streets who are beating up innocent people and calling for a bloody revolution should have their rights denied. They are the problem with society, along with the gangs and other scum.

Ignorance. It is

ALREADY ILLEGAL

to sell every single person on this list a gun.

Nobody's rights are being taken away, except for the gun sellers right to remain ignorant.

How would a gun dealer know if the information that they have been adjudicated mentally deficient if it was not subject to the background check?

You gun-grabbers are arguing in circles and tripping over your own feet!

EXACTLY

Which was the reason for the NEW Obama policy of sending the names of those adjudicated mentally deficient via the Social Security representative payee program to the NICS.

Legally, they can't own a gun. Is that not information that should be available to a dealer via the NICS? If not, why not? Because rather you realize it or not, if you are opposed to this action and support Trump's order you are supporting the continued ignorance of the gun dealer. Nothing else.

Legally can't own a gun?

Why?

Because they need help with their finances?

Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money.

What moron argues that someone that does not have the mental capacity to adequately handle their own personal finances somehow does have the mental capacity to responsibly purchase a gun?

But the action does show the government is not afraid of crazy people with guns. The government is afraid of crazy people with MONEY.

It's morons like you that equate handling finances with handling self protection. That's two entirely different skill sets. And one is a right, the other not. If someone is mentally incompetent to make reasonable decisions there is a proper way to handle it, not some backdoor backstabbing method that gives authoritarians ultimate power.