House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

[RetiredGySgt]

The headline is a BLATANT LIE. The rule made it so if you were assigned by the SS that you could not handle your finances then you are somehow incompetent to own a fire arm. That is NOT severe mental illness at ALL. Get your facts straight before lying to us all.

Facts.

This order applied only to individuals receiving Social Security benefits through a Representative payee account. From the SSA website.

The law requires most minor children and all legally incompetent adults to have payees.

Social Security Administration - Representative Payee Program

The law requires most minor children and all legally incompetent adults to have payees.

Dangerously Mentally Ill: Federal law prohibits firearm possession by individuals who have been “committed to a mental institution” or “adjudicated as a mental defective.”

Categories of Prohibited People | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

So again, you are defending the right of gun sellers to remain ignorant to the fact that their buyer has been adjudicated mentally defective and therefore forbidden from purchasing a gun.

"The law requires most minor children and all legally incompetent adults to have payees".

Are you trying to claim that most minor children are dangerously mentally ill and have been adjudicated mentally defective?
Do you claim that only those who have been adjudicated mentally defective have a representative payee account?
If Federal law is unconstitutional it is invalid.

Yes, that is pretty much what I am saying. First, the minor children are not part of the discussion, unless you want to argue that minor children have a constitutional right to buy firearms.

And yep, every one that as a "representative payee account" has been adjudicated mentally defective, unless they are a minor. Mentally defective and unable to handle their personal finances. This IS NOT great grandmaw that has her check deposited to a shared account with her daughter. This is a SPECIAL account. It requires all kinds of paperwork. The money must be used for specific purposes. Reports have to be filed. And the individual in question is not legally allowed to buy a handgun.

No Judge NO COURT was involved in that declaration it is simply an administrative decision based on the application for support.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ignorance. It is

ALREADY ILLEGAL

to sell every single person on this list a gun.

Nobody's rights are being taken away, except for the gun sellers right to remain ignorant.

Wrong. They use arbitrary guidelines for denying people their 2nd amendment right.
.

Wrong--the "guidelines" are simple. If you have a special payee account with Social Security meaning you have been adjudicated mentally incapable of handling your own personal finances and a judge as assigned a special payee to receive your funds, then you are placed on a list with the other individuals that can't legally purchase a firearm so that when you make an attempt the dealer has no excuse and can't claim he didn't know you were incapable of legally purchasing a firearm.

No Judge is assigned NO JUDGE is involved at all. You are made this status by administrative action and YOU actually nominate who will be your payee. I know because it applies to me.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

My neighbor of 18 years wife left him , police were suppose to collect the gun from him because he was mentally unstable...well some how he got a gun and murdered his 24 year old son visiting him...he tried to get his daughter to visit the same night..
He then killed himself.

That is an extremely vague story. What do you mean he somehow got a gun?..the argument against gun control is that the "bad guys" will still be able to get guns.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Have you ever been to ChiTown? Do you realize the demographic most vulnerable are black men 14 to 25? If you cared, you would realize poverty, a lack of jobs and safe schools, easy access to guns and the need to be safe attracts these young men into gangs, crime, drugs and an early death.

Given that the elites decided ORDER and Punishment were the best remedies - for the power elite - we've locked up more kids and young adults than any other nation. We need a do over, and yet you and others who voted for trump and the Republican elites, who will now continue to do the same thing over and over have convinced you they, and only they, have the answers.

Firearms have nothing to do with violence in the inner city

You really are quite dumb.

 

[Rustic]

Have you ever been to ChiTown? Do you realize the demographic most vulnerable are black men 14 to 25? If you cared, you would realize poverty, a lack of jobs and safe schools, easy access to guns and the need to be safe attracts these young men into gangs, crime, drugs and an early death.

Given that the elites decided ORDER and Punishment were the best remedies - for the power elite - we've locked up more kids and young adults than any other nation. We need a do over, and yet you and others who voted for trump and the Republican elites, who will now continue to do the same thing over and over have convinced you they, and only they, have the answers.

Firearms have nothing to do with violence in the inner city

You really are quite dumb.

People kill people, firearms are harmless on their own...

 

[Wry Catcher]

I live in a retirement community. It probably one of the safest community in America. Though we are only 35 miles from the Mexican border, we have virtually no crime EXCEPT domestic violence. I serve on the Sheriff's Auxiliary, and our biggest problem is dealing with people abusing their spouses, usually due to alcohol, or dementia. On average, our local court issues restraining orders at the rate of 11 per month. NONE of these people have been put on any list that would make them fail a background check, until, or unless they are convicted of a felony, which is not likely to happen to someone who is behaving badly due to dementia. These people are old, white people, and they are armed to the teeth. Deputies fear domestic violence calls more than anything else, because of the danger involved. It is bad enough that most of the people have guns, but it is even worse that if the abused spouse hides, or removes one gun, the perp can go out and buy another one.

Are the DV Offenders not placed on Probation? Here, a misdemeanor conviction for DV results in 30 days in jail, three years formal probation, No contact with the vicitm, No guns, search and seizure, one year anger management (once per week), no alcohol or drugs, testing for AOD, and in the unit of PO's funded by the DOJ grant I managed, 4 face to face contacts each month, one at the offender's residence.

One miss, one dirty test, one violation of an order of probation, one missed class and the offender is taken into custody on a PV and can face up to one year in jail and then need to do over the Anger management class and not get credit for time served off of his 3 year grant of probation.

 

[esthermoon]

Let's see that bill in full. Both of them. See what they really say. Anyone up to the challenge?

This is always the best thing to do when have to judge some laws
Anyway if that bill is about repealing the all restrictions for gun sales to mentally ill I think this is a really strange bill...
No guns for mentally ill should be a rule everywhere

 

[Clementine]

Have you ever been to ChiTown? Do you realize the demographic most vulnerable are black men 14 to 25? If you cared, you would realize poverty, a lack of jobs and safe schools, easy access to guns and the need to be safe attracts these young men into gangs, crime, drugs and an early death.

Given that the elites decided ORDER and Punishment were the best remedies - for the power elite - we've locked up more kids and young adults than any other nation. We need a do over, and yet you and others who voted for trump and the Republican elites, who will now continue to do the same thing over and over have convinced you they, and only they, have the answers.

Firearms have nothing to do with violence in the inner city

You really are quite dumb.

People kill people, firearms are harmless on their own...

If somehow we were able to take all guns out of the hands of murderous criminals, they would still be violent pieces of shit with no regard for human life.

 

[martybegan]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

The problem is the SSA made the definition far to broad. Even the ACLU, no staunch defender of the 2nd amendment, opposed the rule.

Not being able to handle one's own finances as you get older does not mean the person is incompetent. For that a judge has to decide.

That doesn't fit with Coyotes bullshit story made up by the left and the press.

That's not my problem, it's theirs. and at least now more and more people are so mistrustful of the press, they take titles like that with a grain of salt, and might even try to find other views on the issue.

 

[OnePercenter]

More evidence the NRA is a terrorist organization, and the fools who posted #2 & #3 above who enable the NRA to put profit over the people.

GREED trumps common sense.....Pun intended.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I live in a retirement community. It probably one of the safest community in America. Though we are only 35 miles from the Mexican border, we have virtually no crime EXCEPT domestic violence. I serve on the Sheriff's Auxiliary, and our biggest problem is dealing with people abusing their spouses, usually due to alcohol, or dementia. On average, our local court issues restraining orders at the rate of 11 per month. NONE of these people have been put on any list that would make them fail a background check, until, or unless they are convicted of a felony, which is not likely to happen to someone who is behaving badly due to dementia. These people are old, white people, and they are armed to the teeth. Deputies fear domestic violence calls more than anything else, because of the danger involved. It is bad enough that most of the people have guns, but it is even worse that if the abused spouse hides, or removes one gun, the perp can go out and buy another one.

Are the DV Offenders not placed on Probation? Here, a misdemeanor conviction for DV results in 30 days in jail, three years formal probation, No contact with the vicitm, No guns, search and seizure, one year anger management (once per week), no alcohol or drugs, testing for AOD, and in the unit of PO's funded by the DOJ grant I managed, 4 face to face contacts each month, one at the offender's residence.

One miss, one dirty test, one violation of an order of probation, one missed class and the offender is taken into custody on a PV and can face up to one year in jail and then need to do over the Anger management class and not get credit for time served off of his 3 year grant of probation.

I have no idea. I am pretty sure that it takes a felony conviction to disarm the offender. A person telling his spouse, "I am going to kill you" ,does not warrant a felony conviction. However, I am certain that it can take months for a DV conviction, and by that time, the victim can be dead. I speak from personal experience on that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

More evidence the NRA is a terrorist organization, and the fools who posted #2 & #3 above who enable the NRA to put profit over the people.

statists look for any reason to take away ones liberties.

Should criminals have guns?
Should children have guns?

Who is arguing for that?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Keep whining losers. Barry's unlawful rule is gone...just like Hellary's inauguration fireworks.

Sandy Hook.

Drag your fishing tackle along the beach? That's how you get a Sandy Hook!

Seriously, what the heck does that have to do with the topic?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

Oh, that will work so well.

The headline is a lie, just like the effluent that usually flows from liberals.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

Oh, that will work so well.

Let's put more guns in the hands of severely mentally ill, and then more guns into the hands of the general populace so they can kill them and solve the problem.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------ nothing to do with putting more guns in the hands of the adjudacated mentally ill . Its about Taking guns from those that are being Called mentally ill with no proof Coyote .

Is it?

Here's what the article said:
According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.

If they are claiming social security for mental disabilities then that's either proof or fraud.

Now can you see the lie in calling it severe mental disabilities? It is in the large red text.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

Oh, that will work so well.

Let's put more guns in the hands of severely mentally ill, and then more guns into the hands of the general populace so they can kill them and solve the problem.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------ nothing to do with putting more guns in the hands of the adjudacated mentally ill . Its about Taking guns from those that are being Called mentally ill with no proof Coyote .

No proof!! WTF... Do ya think that the SSA would approve benefits for disability due to mental illness without proof?? Are you serious or is that that you have some problems of your own?

Who said the benefits were for a disability?

My mother collected Social Security but could not handle her financial affairs so I had a power of attorney. She was still fully capable of defending herself if need be.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

US gun laws: House votes to loosen background checks rules - BBC News

The US House of Representatives has voted to scrap regulations that require background checks for people purchasing guns with mental health issues.
...
The background-check rules were introduced to provide information on the gun-buying history of people receiving benefits for mental disability.

Way to go... So now you have to buy more guns to defend yourself against the nutjobs you sold guns to before...

Once again progressives are forced to exaggerate/lie to make their "points"

This prevents a person from losing their 2nd amendment rights solely by being placed on an SSA list of people who no longer control their own finances.

If the person is that much of a risk, after the family gets the SSA right to their finances, they can go to a judge, get them person mentally adjudicated as incompetent, and then their 2nd amendment rights can be restricted via due process.

even the ACLU didn't like this rule.

So a judge adjudicates the person is not competent enough to control their own money but you say it is OK for him to have an AR-15....

Where is it said that a judge did the adjudication? They don't! You gun-grabbers are arguing from a position of ignorance of reality, but then again that is where you reside 24/7/365!

 

[Pete7469]

This ain't even "fake news", it's complete bullshit like everything else coyote parrots.

Only in the vacuous space between a bed wetters ears is it OK for unelected buearucrooks to arbitrarily deny people their civil rights.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

US gun laws: House votes to loosen background checks rules - BBC News

The US House of Representatives has voted to scrap regulations that require background checks for people purchasing guns with mental health issues.
...
The background-check rules were introduced to provide information on the gun-buying history of people receiving benefits for mental disability.

Way to go... So now you have to buy more guns to defend yourself against the nutjobs you sold guns to before...

Once again progressives are forced to exaggerate/lie to make their "points"

This prevents a person from losing their 2nd amendment rights solely by being placed on an SSA list of people who no longer control their own finances.

If the person is that much of a risk, after the family gets the SSA right to their finances, they can go to a judge, get them person mentally adjudicated as incompetent, and then their 2nd amendment rights can be restricted via due process.

even the ACLU didn't like this rule.

So a judge adjudicates the person is not competent enough to control their own money but you say it is OK for him to have an AR-15....

Can he control the AR-15?

That is for someone other than a fucking SS bureaucrat to decide!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Welcome to America where you can be found mentally incompetent of handling YOUR MONEY but you can still get a gun.

My mother could not see the fine print on checks, but she could see someone breaking into her house to do her harm. There is no determination of "mentally incompetent" by some government hack in a cube farm.