House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

[ThunderKiss1965]

If you tell a VA psychologist you have thought about hurting yourself or others and these are just thoughts not deeds. your gun rights are stripped no investigation no due process. Everyone has had these thoughts at least once in their lives if you say you haven't then you are a fucking liar. What ends up happening is a veteran who has no intention of causing harm to anyone doesn't get the help they need because they are afraid of getting their rights stripped away, Its Bullshit.

 

[owebo]

More evidence the NRA is a terrorist organization, and the fools who posted #2 & #3 above who enable the NRA to put profit over the people.

Fascist....

 

[owebo]

More evidence the NRA is a terrorist organization, and the fools who posted #2 & #3 above who enable the NRA to put profit over the people.

statists look for any reason to take away ones liberties.

Should criminals have guns?
Should children have guns?

Criminals already have guns...

If children are 18, yes....

 

[Clementine]

Ignorance. It is

ALREADY ILLEGAL

to sell every single person on this list a gun.

Nobody's rights are being taken away, except for the gun sellers right to remain ignorant.

Wrong. They use arbitrary guidelines for denying people their 2nd amendment right.

Libs turn their backs on the rampant violence in cities. They support abortion because it helps control the population. In other words, people dying is a good thing as far as the left is concerned. Babies shouldn't be born and old people have a duty to die.

What is bad to the left is a population able to fight back against tyranny. That is the only reason they are trying to stop people from legally obtaining weapons. Had Hillary been elected, she was going to fight against the 2nd amendment. She said she doesn't believe it allows people the right to bear arms. The leftwing extremists want one world government and open borders. The majority of Americans will fight against this and the left would prefer those against them are unarmed and helpless.

So nice that the radicals who literally want to destroy America have so many blind sheep supporting them. You think you're fighting for one thing but it's not reality. You aren't involved in any effort for women's rights, women's choice, saving people from crazy shooters or helping the poor. You are helping them lessen the population, create chaos in the streets to weaken our moral fabric, disarming people who want to remain free and redistributing wealth to move towards socialism/communism.

 

[OKTexas]

Conservative scum will not be happy until the USA is the most dangerous place on the planet.

Really? We aren't the ones demanding foreign criminals be allowed to stay in the US.

 

[Clementine]

Conservative scum will not be happy until the USA is the most dangerous place on the planet.

Really? We aren't the ones demanding foreign criminals be allowed to stay in the US.

And we're not the ones creating polies that made cities, like Chicago, the most dangerous places in America.

 

[Winston]

The headline is a BLATANT LIE. The rule made it so if you were assigned by the SS that you could not handle your finances then you are somehow incompetent to own a fire arm. That is NOT severe mental illness at ALL. Get your facts straight before lying to us all.

Facts.

This order applied only to individuals receiving Social Security benefits through a Representative payee account. From the SSA website.

The law requires most minor children and all legally incompetent adults to have payees.

Social Security Administration - Representative Payee Program

The law requires most minor children and all legally incompetent adults to have payees.

Dangerously Mentally Ill: Federal law prohibits firearm possession by individuals who have been “committed to a mental institution” or “adjudicated as a mental defective.”

Categories of Prohibited People | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

So again, you are defending the right of gun sellers to remain ignorant to the fact that their buyer has been adjudicated mentally defective and therefore forbidden from purchasing a gun.

"The law requires most minor children and all legally incompetent adults to have payees".

Are you trying to claim that most minor children are dangerously mentally ill and have been adjudicated mentally defective?
Do you claim that only those who have been adjudicated mentally defective have a representative payee account?
If Federal law is unconstitutional it is invalid.

Yes, that is pretty much what I am saying. First, the minor children are not part of the discussion, unless you want to argue that minor children have a constitutional right to buy firearms.

And yep, every one that as a "representative payee account" has been adjudicated mentally defective, unless they are a minor. Mentally defective and unable to handle their personal finances. This IS NOT great grandmaw that has her check deposited to a shared account with her daughter. This is a SPECIAL account. It requires all kinds of paperwork. The money must be used for specific purposes. Reports have to be filed. And the individual in question is not legally allowed to buy a handgun.

 

[OKTexas]

More evidence the NRA is a terrorist organization, and the fools who posted #2 & #3 above who enable the NRA to put profit over the people.

statists look for any reason to take away ones liberties.

Should criminals have guns?
Should children have guns?

I've owned guns since my 11th birthday.

How many weeks ago was that?

About 2,860

 

[Winston]

Ignorance. It is

ALREADY ILLEGAL

to sell every single person on this list a gun.

Nobody's rights are being taken away, except for the gun sellers right to remain ignorant.

Wrong. They use arbitrary guidelines for denying people their 2nd amendment right.
.

Wrong--the "guidelines" are simple. If you have a special payee account with Social Security meaning you have been adjudicated mentally incapable of handling your own personal finances and a judge as assigned a special payee to receive your funds, then you are placed on a list with the other individuals that can't legally purchase a firearm so that when you make an attempt the dealer has no excuse and can't claim he didn't know you were incapable of legally purchasing a firearm.

 

[Wry Catcher]

More evidence the NRA is a terrorist organization, and the fools who posted #2 & #3 above who enable the NRA to put profit over the people.

statists look for any reason to take away ones liberties.

Should criminals have guns?
Should children have guns?

I've owned guns since my 11th birthday.

How many weeks ago was that?

About 2,860

When I was 11 I received a baseball glove and bat.

 

[Vandalshandle]

In Trumpville, immigrants trying to escape death are banned from entering the US, while the mentally ill get to have guns.

Nothing to see, here, folks. Just the same old stuff.

BTW. I am a retired Chartered Financial Consultant, and thanks to the GOP, I can now legally charge you a fee to advise you to buy an investment that is not so good for you, but pays me a fat commission. I might as well get out my old republican polyester canary yellow golfing pants, and get back into the game!

In obamaville, he takes away a person's right to defend himself, while he brings in hordes of muslims, a group know for causing terror where ever they emigrate to. These gun grabbers aren't worried about the safety of Americans, that's obvious.

...and yet,. not one single immigrant from the banned countries have ever murdered an American in a terrorist act, while mentally disturbed Americans with guns kill other Americans on a daily basis. In fact, most mass murderers in the USA are mentally disturbed, in one way or another, and the one who shot Gabby Gifford is a poster child of what I am talking about.

 

[OKTexas]

statists look for any reason to take away ones liberties.

Should criminals have guns?
Should children have guns?

I've owned guns since my 11th birthday.

How many weeks ago was that?

About 2,860

When I was 11 I received a baseball glove and bat.

I had those at 7, I was taught to shoot from age 6, I guess you're just a slow bloomer.

 

[OKTexas]

In Trumpville, immigrants trying to escape death are banned from entering the US, while the mentally ill get to have guns.

Nothing to see, here, folks. Just the same old stuff.

BTW. I am a retired Chartered Financial Consultant, and thanks to the GOP, I can now legally charge you a fee to advise you to buy an investment that is not so good for you, but pays me a fat commission. I might as well get out my old republican polyester canary yellow golfing pants, and get back into the game!

In obamaville, he takes away a person's right to defend himself, while he brings in hordes of muslims, a group know for causing terror where ever they emigrate to. These gun grabbers aren't worried about the safety of Americans, that's obvious.

...and yet,. not one single immigrant from the banned countries have ever murdered an American in a terrorist act, while mentally disturbed Americans with guns kill other Americans on a daily basis. In fact, most mass murderers in the USA are mentally disturbed, in one way or another, and the one who shot Gabby Gifford is a poster child of what I am talking about.

Refugees form those countries have been arrested for terrorist activities, we got lucky and caught them before they hurt anyone.

 

[Vandalshandle]

In Trumpville, immigrants trying to escape death are banned from entering the US, while the mentally ill get to have guns.

Nothing to see, here, folks. Just the same old stuff.

BTW. I am a retired Chartered Financial Consultant, and thanks to the GOP, I can now legally charge you a fee to advise you to buy an investment that is not so good for you, but pays me a fat commission. I might as well get out my old republican polyester canary yellow golfing pants, and get back into the game!

In obamaville, he takes away a person's right to defend himself, while he brings in hordes of muslims, a group know for causing terror where ever they emigrate to. These gun grabbers aren't worried about the safety of Americans, that's obvious.

...and yet,. not one single immigrant from the banned countries have ever murdered an American in a terrorist act, while mentally disturbed Americans with guns kill other Americans on a daily basis. In fact, most mass murderers in the USA are mentally disturbed, in one way or another, and the one who shot Gabby Gifford is a poster child of what I am talking about.

Refugees form those countries have been arrested for terrorist activities, we got lucky and caught them before they hurt anyone.

Link? I mean, link to a specific terrorist plot by people from those countries, not just arrests.

The fact that you people seem to think that mentally ill people should be able to pass a background check and buy a gun is totally, off the wall, fucking insane.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Have you ever been to ChiTown? Do you realize the demographic most vulnerable are black men 14 to 25? If you cared, you would realize poverty, a lack of jobs and safe schools, easy access to guns and the need to be safe attracts these young men into gangs, crime, drugs and an early death.

Given that the elites decided ORDER and Punishment were the best remedies - for the power elite - we've locked up more kids and young adults than any other nation. We need a do over, and yet you and others who voted for trump and the Republican elites, who will now continue to do the same thing over and over have convinced you they, and only they, have the answers.

 

[Rustic]

Have you ever been to ChiTown? Do you realize the demographic most vulnerable are black men 14 to 25? If you cared, you would realize poverty, a lack of jobs and safe schools, easy access to guns and the need to be safe attracts these young men into gangs, crime, drugs and an early death.

Given that the elites decided ORDER and Punishment were the best remedies - for the power elite - we've locked up more kids and young adults than any other nation. We need a do over, and yet you and others who voted for trump and the Republican elites, who will now continue to do the same thing over and over have convinced you they, and only they, have the answers.

Firearms have nothing to do with violence in the inner city

 

[OKTexas]

In Trumpville, immigrants trying to escape death are banned from entering the US, while the mentally ill get to have guns.

Nothing to see, here, folks. Just the same old stuff.

BTW. I am a retired Chartered Financial Consultant, and thanks to the GOP, I can now legally charge you a fee to advise you to buy an investment that is not so good for you, but pays me a fat commission. I might as well get out my old republican polyester canary yellow golfing pants, and get back into the game!

In obamaville, he takes away a person's right to defend himself, while he brings in hordes of muslims, a group know for causing terror where ever they emigrate to. These gun grabbers aren't worried about the safety of Americans, that's obvious.

...and yet,. not one single immigrant from the banned countries have ever murdered an American in a terrorist act, while mentally disturbed Americans with guns kill other Americans on a daily basis. In fact, most mass murderers in the USA are mentally disturbed, in one way or another, and the one who shot Gabby Gifford is a poster child of what I am talking about.

Refugees form those countries have been arrested for terrorist activities, we got lucky and caught them before they hurt anyone.

Link? I mean, link to a specific terrorist plot by people from those countries, not just arrests.

The fact that you people seem to think that mentally ill people should be able to pass a background check and buy a gun is totally, off the wall, fucking insane.

Taking away rights without due process is not only insane, it's unconstitutional. And these are of couple examples of your dear leaders vetting.

Refugees arrested on terror-related charges - CNN.com

Exclusive: 'Dozens' of Terrorists May Be in US as Refugees

 

[Vandalshandle]

I live in a retirement community. It probably one of the safest community in America. Though we are only 35 miles from the Mexican border, we have virtually no crime EXCEPT domestic violence. I serve on the Sheriff's Auxiliary, and our biggest problem is dealing with people abusing their spouses, usually due to alcohol, or dementia. On average, our local court issues restraining orders at the rate of 11 per month. NONE of these people have been put on any list that would make them fail a background check, until, or unless they are convicted of a felony, which is not likely to happen to someone who is behaving badly due to dementia. These people are old, white people, and they are armed to the teeth. Deputies fear domestic violence calls more than anything else, because of the danger involved. It is bad enough that most of the people have guns, but it is even worse that if the abused spouse hides, or removes one gun, the perp can go out and buy another one.

 

[Vandalshandle]

In Trumpville, immigrants trying to escape death are banned from entering the US, while the mentally ill get to have guns.

Nothing to see, here, folks. Just the same old stuff.

BTW. I am a retired Chartered Financial Consultant, and thanks to the GOP, I can now legally charge you a fee to advise you to buy an investment that is not so good for you, but pays me a fat commission. I might as well get out my old republican polyester canary yellow golfing pants, and get back into the game!

In obamaville, he takes away a person's right to defend himself, while he brings in hordes of muslims, a group know for causing terror where ever they emigrate to. These gun grabbers aren't worried about the safety of Americans, that's obvious.

...and yet,. not one single immigrant from the banned countries have ever murdered an American in a terrorist act, while mentally disturbed Americans with guns kill other Americans on a daily basis. In fact, most mass murderers in the USA are mentally disturbed, in one way or another, and the one who shot Gabby Gifford is a poster child of what I am talking about.

Refugees form those countries have been arrested for terrorist activities, we got lucky and caught them before they hurt anyone.

Link? I mean, link to a specific terrorist plot by people from those countries, not just arrests.

The fact that you people seem to think that mentally ill people should be able to pass a background check and buy a gun is totally, off the wall, fucking insane.

Taking away rights without due process is not only insane, it's unconstitutional. And these are of couple examples of your dear leaders vetting.

Refugees arrested on terror-related charges - CNN.com

Exclusive: 'Dozens' of Terrorists May Be in US as Refugees

Wrong, and wrong. Your first link was Palestinian, and your second link is even worse. Now, for the first time, I know what the "Bowling Green Massacre" that didn't happen, is supposed to have been about! Neither of these guys ever plotted to kill anyone in the USA. They were trying to ship weapons to Iraq, and even that was initiated by the FBI to bait them. Immigrants from Palestine are not be vetted by Trump, regardless of where they were born.

 

[Winston]

In Trumpville, immigrants trying to escape death are banned from entering the US, while the mentally ill get to have guns.

Nothing to see, here, folks. Just the same old stuff.

BTW. I am a retired Chartered Financial Consultant, and thanks to the GOP, I can now legally charge you a fee to advise you to buy an investment that is not so good for you, but pays me a fat commission. I might as well get out my old republican polyester canary yellow golfing pants, and get back into the game!

In obamaville, he takes away a person's right to defend himself, while he brings in hordes of muslims, a group know for causing terror where ever they emigrate to. These gun grabbers aren't worried about the safety of Americans, that's obvious.

...and yet,. not one single immigrant from the banned countries have ever murdered an American in a terrorist act, while mentally disturbed Americans with guns kill other Americans on a daily basis. In fact, most mass murderers in the USA are mentally disturbed, in one way or another, and the one who shot Gabby Gifford is a poster child of what I am talking about.

Refugees form those countries have been arrested for terrorist activities, we got lucky and caught them before they hurt anyone.

Link? I mean, link to a specific terrorist plot by people from those countries, not just arrests.

The fact that you people seem to think that mentally ill people should be able to pass a background check and buy a gun is totally, off the wall, fucking insane.

They are not thinking. They never do. Member? Member when the right said we ought to do something about the mentally ill, not change the gun laws? Hell, even the NRA said we ought to do something about it. So Obama did.

Hell, it was common sense. By definition, adults getting Social Security benefits from a Representative Payee Account cannot legally purchase a firearm. Providing that information to the NICS database makes sense.

This is not about mentally disturbed individuals getting a gun. Hell, it is not even about protecting the gun dealers and their plausible deniability. Nope, this is a litmus test by the gun lobby to see just how malleable this administration really is. And to see how damn gullible the population is. Seems they got a pretty clear ticket. Completely malleable and totally gullible.