House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

[Iceweasel]

Welcome to America, where the mentally retarded can legally purchase a gun but can't be executed. Think about it. The mentally retarded don't have the mental capacity to understand capital punishment and therefore can not be given that sentence. But, they can buy a gun. Yep. They don't understand money. They don't understand capital punishment. But they can buy a gun.

Good God Almighty but the country is full of STEWPYD.

Where are retards buying guns? You simply throw the assertion out as a given.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Ignorance. It is

ALREADY ILLEGAL

to sell every single person on this list a gun.

Nobody's rights are being taken away, except for the gun sellers right to remain ignorant.

How would a gun dealer know if the information that they have been adjudicated mentally deficient if it was not subject to the background check?

You gun-grabbers are arguing in circles and tripping over your own feet!

EXACTLY

Which was the reason for the NEW Obama policy of sending the names of those adjudicated mentally deficient via the Social Security representative payee program to the NICS.

Legally, they can't own a gun. Is that not information that should be available to a dealer via the NICS? If not, why not? Because rather you realize it or not, if you are opposed to this action and support Trump's order you are supporting the continued ignorance of the gun dealer. Nothing else.

Legally can't own a gun?

Why?

Because they need help with their finances?

Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money.

What moron argues that someone that does not have the mental capacity to adequately handle their own personal finances somehow does have the mental capacity to responsibly purchase a gun?

But the action does show the government is not afraid of crazy people with guns. The government is afraid of crazy people with MONEY.

It's morons like you that equate handling finances with handling self protection. That's two entirely different skill sets. And one is a right, the other not. If someone is mentally incompetent to make reasonable decisions there is a proper way to handle it, not some backdoor backstabbing method that gives authoritarians ultimate power.

It's more devious than that. It's gun control "creep". You eat the elephant one bite at a time, you do the same with gun control and confiscation. Restrict groups of ownership, national gun registry, cross link data bases, etc.

 

[ChrisL]

What is concerning is who makes such decisions regarding a person's constitutionally guaranteed rights?

I don't want severely mentally ill people owning a weapon either, but I don't trust the government not to use such powers as a battering ram.

 

[ChrisL]

Well, our government is incompetent and can't handle IT'S finances.

 

[Papageorgio]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

It is violating due process. There is no definition of what is considered severe mental disorder, it could include anyone that files for Social Security Disability for any mental reason.

 

[Winston]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

It is violating due process. There is no definition of what is considered severe mental disorder, it could include anyone that files for Social Security Disability for any mental reason.

Not true. Not even close to true. This order only applied to individuals receiving their Social Security benefit via a Representative Payee. Social Security assumes an adult can handle their finances, even those on a mental disability. Only after it has been PROVEN otherwise, with investigations, hearings if necessary, and after a judge signing the order if the beneficiary protests, is a Representative Payee assigned. There is even a right to appeal the decision. There is plenty of "due process" involved with making the determination that a Special Representative should be assigned.

Let's examine some examples. My father-in-law has been collecting disability since he was in his 30's. A mental disability, anxiety mostly. He has "episodes" every once in a while and has to hospitalized for a period of time. Last time he wanted me to take him to Hardees because Daniel Boone was going to be there to meet him. But he does handle his finances, even the royalties from the shale oil operations in Texas. He can legally purchase a gun.

Then there is my uncle. He too has been collecting disability since he was in his 30's. A mental disorder as well, full blown schizophrenic. He will tell you the government is snooping on him via the television a la 1984. One time he ran naked into the street with a shotgun shooting at the road crew. My mother is the custodian of the Representative Payee account. He cannot legally buy a gun. The government SHOULD provide that information to the NICS.

So, in a nutshell, what you are defending is not the right of that person with the Representative Payee account having a gun. Hell, he can legally own a gun. He just can't legally buy one. And how does it make sense that he can, hell he can't legally handle his own money. Is not part of handling that money deciding on what to buy, like a gun? Damn but you people are a bunch of flippin moronic robots receiving your orders via tweeter.

You are defending the right of the GUN SELLER to remain ignorant as to a customers inability to handle their money and LEGALLY purchase a gun. Seriously. Here is the scenario

So, my uncle busts out of the nursing home and manages to walk the mile or so to the pawn shop. He is on a mission, like the time he flew to New York to marry Vanna White. He comes in disheveled, reeking of body odor, muttering under his breath and carrying his priced 1950's era Martin D-45. He is even carrying his state ID card in his wallet. Right now, under existing law and existing guidelines, he can walk out with rifle or a shotgun. If his name is on the NICS list, like under Obama, he can't wait a bit and walk out with an AR-15. But now, well he can. He shows his ID, pawns his guitar, and waits while the background check runs. He has no criminal record, his mental health issue has all been handled privately, and now his name is not on the list, removed by Trump's order. Within a few hours he is walking out the door with his AR-15, a couple hundred rounds of ammo, and his "mission" to finally get all the people that have been spying on him.

 

[Wry Catcher]

More evidence the NRA is a terrorist organization, and the fools who posted #2 & #3 above who enable the NRA to put profit over the people.

statists look for any reason to take away ones liberties.

Should criminals have guns?
Should children have guns?

No.
Yes, if they have someone training them. I've had one since that was my 10th birthday gift. It came with some training and how to take care of it. I'm thinking I should have had one at about eight.

At 8 you wanted a gun? Interesting.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It makes no sense to not support that rule. So it's ok for severely mentally ill or disabled people to buy guns then you have stuff like Sandy Hook????

Why are you so intent on lying? Should mods be allowed to do that?

What does Sandy Hook have to do with this topic in any way, shape or form?

The shooter killed his mother, stole her guns, and shot up an elementary school full of kids. Now, relate that to the topic, or you should delete your off-topic ramblings.

Are you insane? Have you ever wondered if your sense of reality is out of plume with reality? Your final sentence is so bizarre I have to ask. The Sandy Hook shooter would not have had to steal the guns if this law was passed.

 

[Wry Catcher]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

It is violating due process. There is no definition of what is considered severe mental disorder, it could include anyone that files for Social Security Disability for any mental reason.

Abject ignorance ^^^

 

[Papageorgio]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

It is violating due process. There is no definition of what is considered severe mental disorder, it could include anyone that files for Social Security Disability for any mental reason.

Not true. Not even close to true. This order only applied to individuals receiving their Social Security benefit via a Representative Payee. Social Security assumes an adult can handle their finances, even those on a mental disability. Only after it has been PROVEN otherwise, with investigations, hearings if necessary, and after a judge signing the order if the beneficiary protests, is a Representative Payee assigned. There is even a right to appeal the decision. There is plenty of "due process" involved with making the determination that a Special Representative should be assigned.

Let's examine some examples. My father-in-law has been collecting disability since he was in his 30's. A mental disability, anxiety mostly. He has "episodes" every once in a while and has to hospitalized for a period of time. Last time he wanted me to take him to Hardees because Daniel Boone was going to be there to meet him. But he does handle his finances, even the royalties from the shale oil operations in Texas. He can legally purchase a gun.

Then there is my uncle. He too has been collecting disability since he was in his 30's. A mental disorder as well, full blown schizophrenic. He will tell you the government is snooping on him via the television a la 1984. One time he ran naked into the street with a shotgun shooting at the road crew. My mother is the custodian of the Representative Payee account. He cannot legally buy a gun. The government SHOULD provide that information to the NICS.

So, in a nutshell, what you are defending is not the right of that person with the Representative Payee account having a gun. Hell, he can legally own a gun. He just can't legally buy one. And how does it make sense that he can, hell he can't legally handle his own money. Is not part of handling that money deciding on what to buy, like a gun? Damn but you people are a bunch of flippin moronic robots receiving your orders via tweeter.

You are defending the right of the GUN SELLER to remain ignorant as to a customers inability to handle their money and LEGALLY purchase a gun. Seriously. Here is the scenario

So, my uncle busts out of the nursing home and manages to walk the mile or so to the pawn shop. He is on a mission, like the time he flew to New York to marry Vanna White. He comes in disheveled, reeking of body odor, muttering under his breath and carrying his priced 1950's era Martin D-45. He is even carrying his state ID card in his wallet. Right now, under existing law and existing guidelines, he can walk out with rifle or a shotgun. If his name is on the NICS list, like under Obama, he can't wait a bit and walk out with an AR-15. But now, well he can. He shows his ID, pawns his guitar, and waits while the background check runs. He has no criminal record, his mental health issue has all been handled privately, and now his name is not on the list, removed by Trump's order. Within a few hours he is walking out the door with his AR-15, a couple hundred rounds of ammo, and his "mission" to finally get all the people that have been spying on him.

There is no due process, they are instantly considered criminals and the advancement of stereotyping of those that are mentally ill.

 

[Papageorgio]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

It is violating due process. There is no definition of what is considered severe mental disorder, it could include anyone that files for Social Security Disability for any mental reason.

Abject ignorance ^^^

Look who is talking, coming from you and your ignorance, I consider this a compliment.

 

[Wry Catcher]

EXACTLY

Which was the reason for the NEW Obama policy of sending the names of those adjudicated mentally deficient via the Social Security representative payee program to the NICS.

Legally, they can't own a gun. Is that not information that should be available to a dealer via the NICS? If not, why not? Because rather you realize it or not, if you are opposed to this action and support Trump's order you are supporting the continued ignorance of the gun dealer. Nothing else.

Legally can't own a gun?

Why?

Because they need help with their finances?

Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money.

What moron argues that someone that does not have the mental capacity to adequately handle their own personal finances somehow does have the mental capacity to responsibly purchase a gun?

But the action does show the government is not afraid of crazy people with guns. The government is afraid of crazy people with MONEY.

"Why yes. Yes, they can't legally buy a gun because they can't legally handle their own damn money"

You can't be serious.

On second thought, you are, and just dont' realize how much a fool you are.

WTF

Are you arguing that someone that does not have the mental capacity to handle their own money SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY A GUN?

And you call me a fool?

Yes.

Just because someone cannot handle their own finances does NOT mean they are incapable of handling a firearm.

I suggest that some of you look into the legal definition of conservatorship, which may vary from state to state, on the power of a guardian or conservator of a person who can be determined a danger to themselves or others, and such determination made by the court, i.e. via due process.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Welcome to America, where the mentally retarded can legally purchase a gun but can't be executed. Think about it. The mentally retarded don't have the mental capacity to understand capital punishment and therefore can not be given that sentence. But, they can buy a gun. Yep. They don't understand money. They don't understand capital punishment. But they can buy a gun.

Good God Almighty but the country is full of STEWPYD.

Where are retards buying guns? You simply throw the assertion out as a given.

I would think you would know. Where did you buy your gun?

 

[Iceweasel]

More evidence the NRA is a terrorist organization, and the fools who posted #2 & #3 above who enable the NRA to put profit over the people.

statists look for any reason to take away ones liberties.

Should criminals have guns?
Should children have guns?

No.
Yes, if they have someone training them. I've had one since that was my 10th birthday gift. It came with some training and how to take care of it. I'm thinking I should have had one at about eight.

At 8 you wanted a gun? Interesting.

Used to be the way it was before liberals neutered so many males.

 

[Iceweasel]

Welcome to America, where the mentally retarded can legally purchase a gun but can't be executed. Think about it. The mentally retarded don't have the mental capacity to understand capital punishment and therefore can not be given that sentence. But, they can buy a gun. Yep. They don't understand money. They don't understand capital punishment. But they can buy a gun.

Good God Almighty but the country is full of STEWPYD.

Where are retards buying guns? You simply throw the assertion out as a given.

I would think you would know. Where did you buy your gun?

My gun? I bought a bunch of them from numerous places. Never saw a retard at the counter.

 

[Vandalshandle]

In Trumpville, immigrants trying to escape death are banned from entering the US, while the mentally ill get to have guns.

Nothing to see, here, folks. Just the same old stuff.

BTW. I am a retired Chartered Financial Consultant, and thanks to the GOP, I can now legally charge you a fee to advise you to buy an investment that is not so good for you, but pays me a fat commission. I might as well get out my old republican polyester canary yellow golfing pants, and get back into the game!

In obamaville, he takes away a person's right to defend himself, while he brings in hordes of muslims, a group know for causing terror where ever they emigrate to. These gun grabbers aren't worried about the safety of Americans, that's obvious.

...and yet,. not one single immigrant from the banned countries have ever murdered an American in a terrorist act, while mentally disturbed Americans with guns kill other Americans on a daily basis. In fact, most mass murderers in the USA are mentally disturbed, in one way or another, and the one who shot Gabby Gifford is a poster child of what I am talking about.

That is completely irrelevant to the discussion, but you knew that, didn't you?

No, I don't, because the GOP is using fear mongering tactics to the point of absurdity. Their message is that they will protect you both from murdering Islamics by banning them, and from the government itself, by arming the mentally unstable. The logic coming out of the GOP these days is so twisted that no one even questions it anymore.

 

[2aguy]

This is seriously fucked up.


House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To the Severely Mentally Ill

According to NPR's Susan Davis, the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.


The National Rifle Association had pushed for the repeal, and Republicans argued it infringed upon Second Amendment rights by denying due process.


Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms.


"The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe," Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 six- and seven-year-olds and six adults.

Yeah....the link lies.....they banned guns for people on social security who have a hard time keeping track of their finances....they are not dangerous or a threat.
..and the republicans repealed this back door gun ban....

 

[2aguy]

Will laws keep guns from criminals?
Hope you are well.

More evidence the NRA is a terrorist organization, and the fools who posted #2 & #3 above who enable the NRA to put profit over the people.

statists look for any reason to take away ones liberties.

Should criminals have guns?
Should children have guns?

It will keep some guns from some criminals. No law is 100%.

It doesn't keep guns from actual criminals.........the democrat shooting galleries are hell holes because criminals are shooting people...and they don't go through background checks...

 

[2aguy]

No right is unrestricted, why is it the NRA and their supporters think that the 2nd Amendment should have no restrictions?

Moron...the 2nd amendment is the most restricted right in the country...

 

[2aguy]

Amazing. People are arguing that mentally ill folks should be allowed to own guns.

No...we are arguing that people who are competent shouldn't be arbitrarily disarmed because of bureaucrats