When exactly does the Democrats' socialism kick in?

[Flopper]

As intelligent automation continues to replace wage labor, the need for socialism increases. So it's only a matter of time before we'll have a non-profit-based, marketless, socialist economy.

The idea that automation will replace labor has proven to be false. For example, while robots have displaced unskilled workers on assembly lines, they have also created new jobs for machinists, advanced welders, and other technicians who maintain the machines or use them to perform new tasks.

Advances in technology also creates whole new industries. AI will eliminate jobs but it will also give birth to new businesses that we never dreamed would exist.

A few years ago, I read an article about the millions of jobs that would be lost due to online purchasing. What it didn't mentions was the number of new retail online businesses it would create and new jobs plus the huge growth in warehouse jobs, technology jobs to support online services, and delivery services.

I don't think the day will ever arise when most workers can rest and play all day, living off their goverment checks.

 

[Flopper]

You shouldn’t be so dismissive when you are wrong.

The means of producing law enforcement is controlled by the government.

The means of producing education is controlled by the government.

Public education and law enforcement has been with us for hundreds of years. Is it socialism? Only to extent that it displaces private business that could do the job. I think we have learned over years that privatizing local police and abolishing public education does not work.

Classic socialism will always fail just as pure capitalism will fail. Both are just economic theories.

 

[Winco]

Per my latest thread: when conservative/independent school teachers--57% of us in total--stop spending the average $650 to supply our own rooms, that will be a start.

That's over ONE BILLION DOLLARS every school year

You all want socialism? We should give you JUST what you want.

and just CONSERVATIVE teachers,

You don't LOVE and Nurture your students........Sad.
You constantly complain, and worse, you separate teachers into political groups.
Which means you probably discriminate against your very own students.....Sad.

 

[Flopper]

Are you aware that capitalism is based on wages?

Capitalism is based on who hold the means of production government or private interest. Wages are simply a necessary cost of doing business.

 

[Flopper]

You don't LOVE and Nurture your students........Sad.
You constantly complain, and worse, you separate teachers into political groups.
Which means you probably discriminate against your very own students.....Sad.

When people say they want socialism, I don't believe they understand what socialism actually is. I believe they want a more regulated form of capitalism and more social services. I don't think they want to abolish private ownership of all businesses.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The idea that automation will replace labor has proven to be false. For example, while robots have displaced unskilled workers on assembly lines, they have also created new jobs for machinists, advanced welders, and other technicians who maintain the machines or use them to perform new tasks.

Advances in technology also creates whole new industries. AI will eliminate jobs but it will also give birth to new businesses that we never dreamed would exist.

A few years ago, I read an article about the millions of jobs that would be lost due to online purchasing. What it didn't mentions was the number of new retail online businesses it would create and new jobs plus the huge growth in warehouse jobs, technology jobs to support online services, and delivery services.

I don't think the day will ever arise when most workers can rest and play all day, living off their goverment checks.

The idea that automation will replace labor has proven to be false. For example, while robots have displaced unskilled workers on assembly lines, they have also created new jobs for machinists, advanced welders, and other technicians who maintain the machines or use them to perform new tasks.

That sounds beautiful, but the problem is that you're describing what occurred in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, not now. Automation today, unlike in the past, is intelligent and fully autonomous. It doesn't need a human operator anymore. Your assumption that it will create more tech-repair jobs is ignoring the fact that this technology repairs itself. It regularly debugs, runs diagnostic maintenance, and literally, repairs itself. Moreover, the new jobs that this technology will create won't compensate for the tens of millions of jobs it will replace. Not everyone can become a high-paid tech, and those that can, won't have that job for long, due to the aforementioned fact that this intelligent technology maintains and repairs itself.

Over half of America lives paycheck to paycheck, hand to mouth, and can barely make ends meet, yet you assert that they're going to be better off when intelligent automation and autonomous machines take their jobs. No, you're quite confused in your assessment of the situation.

Advances in technology also creates whole new industries. AI will eliminate jobs but it will also give birth to new businesses that we never dreamed would exist.

That sounds nice, but the billionaires, who are the real experts in commerce, don't agree with you. You simply don't understand what advanced automation and artificial intelligence is capable of. It replaces practically all jobs, even white-collar jobs. Practically everything.

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These billionaires know that without a UBI (Universal Basic Income) or UI (Universal Income), capitalism will collapse due to a lack of wages. Without wages, there aren't enough paying consumers, hence the market shrinks, until it's no longer worth investing in or profitable. This is why they're all hoping the government intervenes and creates an artificial, unproductive, "consumer-serf", that receives money from the government in order to purchase the goods and services the capitalist class (the current private owners of production) are selling. Without that UBI (which by default will shortly become a UI, the only income people have), people become homeless and starve. That's why we need socialist production ASAP.

A few years ago, I read an article about the millions of jobs that would be lost due to online purchasing. What it didn't mentions was the number of new retail online businesses it would create and new jobs plus the huge growth in warehouse jobs, technology jobs to support online services, and delivery services.

Yes, you're proving my point. Those warehouse and delivery jobs are being automated too. Everything is being automated by intelligent robots and AI. These autonomous machines can do everything, and that's unprecedented in the history of human production. In the past there was always a new opportunity of employment, something else people could do, to earn a wage, but the era of successful workforce reallocation within the capitalist system, is behind us. It's no longer a viable solution or option as it was in the past, before technology became intelligent and autonomous.

I don't think the day will ever arise when most workers can rest and play all day, living off their goverment checks.

That's what your wealthy capitalist gods do, but just like they can dedicate themselves to some type of meaningful, personally rewarding work, irrespective of their lack of need or threat of scarcity, so can everyone else. They're not special in that sense, because that's a human trait.

For tens of thousands of years, human beings have worked without wages, because they had to survive and meet their needs. Wages aren't necessarily a requirement for motivating people to do something productive and rewarding. In the future, when people have all of their basic needs met by technology, they will find meaningful activities, that contribute to their survival and well-being, just as they did in the past.

And by the way, yes, that will include more play and art, more socializing. What's wrong with that? Are you one of these party poopers? Only your beloved wealthy capitalists can live a life of play, leisure, sports, art, exploration, adventure, but not the working-class? Maybe it's time for the working-class to do the same thanks to technology.

Furthermore, the state will shrink, and eventually whither away as technology advances and empowers consumers to produce everything they consume themselves without government infrastructure or assistance from anyone else. You cannot analyze and envision more, due to your lack of knowledge and vision. That's your problem. You want to keep humanity enslaved to capitalists, rather than freeing and empowering them with advanced technology.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Capitalism is based on who hold the means of production government or private interest. Wages are simply a necessary cost of doing business.

Government can be, much more democratic than private vested interests. At least our American government holds elections, when was the last time you or I voted to elect our managers in the workplace? Never, right? That doesn't happen. I would rather have a government that holds elections and respects my human rights, be my employer, than a private business enterprise that holds no elections and can fire me at any time, for no reason. I'll take my democratic government, as my employer, any day over a capitalist, only concerned with his "bottom line" (private profits).