How Can You Be A Socialist….

[LaDexter]

How can you be a socialist?

Let's ask some... and if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow...

 

[danielpalos]

You know your Capitalist society has become junk.

When everything in our society tends to ignore holidays like Pulaski day for a Polish hero of the American Revolutionary War, or Von Steuben Day for a German hero of the American Revolutionary War.

But, will celebrate a hero of Ireland who wasn't Irish, and was bought back by Irish slavers, or a Mexican Nationalist holiday.

Yeah.... I didn't think it made much sense... either.

"You know your Capitalist society has become junk."



If you're unhappy here......I'll help you pack.

Nice girls include a full body massage with happy ending.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You know you're losing it, when you see Spanish signs in Home Depot, and Hispanic people for hire in front of Home Depot......... but blame the Communists, anyways.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. Soooo….how did you get to be a socialist, a Democrat voter?

Much of the blame goes to the elites who control government schools, and the media. The beliefs and arguments were pounded into you....and you were either too lazy or too cowardly to question any of it.

There are sooooo many questions that you could have asked the prevaricators....and they couldn't have answered any of them.

But you didn't.



a. " ... there’s a tendency among bureaucrats, politicians, academics, and other members of the New Class to convince the people to hand over the major decisions of their lives to the “experts.” These experts aren’t all in the government, but they all collude with government to convince people that the experts have all the answers and that the people need to hand the reins over to them. They will tell us what to eat, what to drive, what to think.

It’s an approach that puts politics before economics. Because it is an attempt to politicize peoples’ lives.”
Nazis: Still Socialists, by Jonah Goldberg, National Review




b. Mika Brzezinski: “Our Job” to “Control Exactly What People Think”

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You know your Capitalist society has become junk.

When everything in our society tends to ignore holidays like Pulaski day for a Polish hero of the American Revolutionary War, or Von Steuben Day for a German hero of the American Revolutionary War.

But, will celebrate a hero of Ireland who wasn't Irish, and was bought back by Irish slavers, or a Mexican Nationalist holiday.

Yeah.... I didn't think it made much sense... either.

"You know your Capitalist society has become junk."



If you're unhappy here......I'll help you pack.

Because Capitalism is morally superior... Hahaha..

These are just some Capitalist ones in WW2....

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

12. Soooo….how did you get to be a socialist, a Democrat voter?

Much of the blame goes to the elites who control government schools, and the media. The beliefs and arguments were pounded into you....and you were either too lazy or too cowardly to question any of it.

There are sooooo many questions that you could have asked the prevaricators....and they couldn't have answered any of them.

But you didn't.



a. " ... there’s a tendency among bureaucrats, politicians, academics, and other members of the New Class to convince the people to hand over the major decisions of their lives to the “experts.” These experts aren’t all in the government, but they all collude with government to convince people that the experts have all the answers and that the people need to hand the reins over to them. They will tell us what to eat, what to drive, what to think.

It’s an approach that puts politics before economics. Because it is an attempt to politicize peoples’ lives.”
Nazis: Still Socialists, by Jonah Goldberg, National Review




b. Mika Brzezinski: “Our Job” to “Control Exactly What People Think”

Yeah... The Liberal Jewish media Capitalists are a problem.

You support their Freedom, and Liberty anyways, and think the Jews, and Capitalism are awesome too...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The U.S.A killed more civilians in a few minutes in Hiroshima, and Nagasaki... than Mussolini did through out WW2.

Yeah you know there's something very, very wrong when the U.S.A makes out Mussolini as the mega-villain...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

They say Rwanda is the fastest killing genocide...... I don't believe that... I think it's Hiroshima, and Nagasaki... Hands down.

Either way it's "So called" Small government.

 

[bripat9643]

You mean how people take from the labors of others to profit from?

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That's bullshit. There were all sorts of capitalist enterprises that used slaves for their labor.

That isn't capitalism. It's Fuedalism.

 

[bripat9643]

...and have any self respect?
After all, if your worth is due to that which is taken from someone else, someone who earned it....your value is nothing more than the vote you offer up to your patron, big government.

In full disclosure, the title of the thread is just as cogent if other terms are substituted for 'socialist,' terms such as communist, fascist, Progressive, Nazi or modern Liberal.

1. "Socialism is the end of all invention; it is the happy face of slavery. Mankind are greater gainers by suffering each other to live as seems good to themselves than by compelling each to live as seems good to the rest" - J.S. Mill




2. " Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders–that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.

Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.

It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one’s birth or station in life."

The requirements for success in a free society demand that ordinary citizens order their lives in accordance with certain virtues–namely, rationality, independence, industriousness, prudence, frugality, etc. In a free capitalist society individuals must choose for themselves how they will order their lives and the values they will pursue. Under socialism, most of life’s decisions are made for you.




3. Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.

The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice.
Envy is the desire to not only possess another’s wealth but also the desire to see another’s wealth lowered to the level of one’s own.

Socialism’s teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini.

The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: “Common good comes before private good.”

Fascism, said Mussolini, is ” a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests…realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies.



4. Sadly, America is no longer a capitalist nation. We live under what is more properly called a mixed economy–that is, an economic system that permits private property, but only at the discretion of government planners. A little bit of capitalism and a little bit of socialism.

When government redistributes wealth through taxation, when it attempts to control and regulate business production and trade, who are the winners and losers? Under this kind of economy the winners and losers are reversed: the winners are those who scream the loudest for a handout and the losers are those quiet citizens who work hard and pay their taxes." Socialism vs. Capitalism: Which is the Moral System | Ashbrook



Nazi...national socialism....based on nationalism and/or race...
Communism....international socialism.

Socialism starts with a social contract like our federal Constitution. That is why.

The Constitution isn't a contract.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The problem is clearly savages.
Some people aren't civilized no system will change that, they are people who are violent.

Poland had dictators like Jan III Sobieski, or Jozef Pilsudski, and killed few.

On the comparison Ukraine never had a government for about 800 years.... killed many WITHOUT GOVERNMENT.

They killed about 1 million Poles in the Cossack Uprisings.
and
killed many Jews in the Pogroms,
and
they killed
about 100,000 Poles in Wolyn Massacre.

BUT, when you find out that many Ukrainian Cossacks were basically just Polish, and Russian bandits who left for the Steppes to find Freedom.... Then it comes together.

This is why I advocate for eugenics.... We need to stop the next generation of Savages from being born.

Batih massacre - Wikipedia

elite Polish soldiers and officers, including 3,500 members of szlachta,[2] were tied up and massacred in two days of methodical beheadings and disembowelments

Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia - Wikipedia

Maksym Skorupskyi, one of UPA commanders, wrote in his diary:"Starting from our action on Kuty, day by day after sunset, the sky was batching in the glow of conflagration. Polish villages were burning."[87]

By June 1943, the attacks had spread to the counties of Kowel, Włodzimierz Wołyński, and Horochów, and in August to Luboml county.[79] The Soviet victory at Kursk acted as a stimulus for escalation of massacres in June and August 1943, when ethnic cleansing reached its peak.[55] In June 1943, Dmytro Klyachkivsky head-commander of UPA-North issued a secret directive saying:

We should make a large action of the liquidation of the Polish element. As the German armies withdraw, we should take advantage of this convenient moment for liquidating the entire male population in the age from 16 up to 60 years. We cannot lose this fight, and it is necessary at all costs to weaken Polish forces. Villages and settlements lying next to the massive forests, should disappear from the face of the earth.[88][89]

Despite this, most of the victims were women and children.[4] In mid-1943, after a wave of killings of Polish civilians, the Poles tried to initiate negotiations with UPA. Two delegates of the Polish government in Exile and AK,[90] Zygmunt Rumel and Krzysztof Markiewicz attempted to negotiate with UPA leaders, but were captured and murdered on July 10, 1943, in the village of Kustycze.[91] Some sources claim they were tortured before their death.[92]

The following day, July 11, 1943, is regarded as the bloodiest day of the massacres, [93] with many reports of UPA units marching from village to village, killing Polish civilians.[94] On that day, UPA units surrounded and attacked Polish villages and settlements located in three counties – Kowel, Horochow, and Włodzimierz Wołyński. Events began at 3:00 am, leaving the Poles with little chance to escape. After the massacres, the Polish villages were burned to the ground. According to those few who survived, the action had been carefully prepared; a few days before the massacres there had been several meetings in Ukrainian villages, during which UPA members told the villagers that the slaughter of all Poles was necessary.[94] Altogether, on July 11, 1943, the Ukrainians attacked 167 towns and villages.[95] Within a few days an unspecified number of Polish villages were completely destroyed and their populations murdered. In the Polish village of Gurow, out of 480 inhabitants, only 70 survived; in the settlement of Orzeszyn, UPA killed 306 out of 340 Poles; in the village of Sadowa out of 600 Polish inhabitants only 20 survived; in Zagaje out of 350 Poles only a few survived.[94] This wave of massacres lasted 5 days, until July 16. UPA continued the ethnic cleansing, particularly in rural areas, until most Poles had been deported, killed or expelled. These actions were conducted by many units, and were well-coordinated and thoroughly planned.[55]


The mass grave discovered during the second exhumation in Wola Ostrowiecka, in present-day Ukraine (August 2011)[96]
In August 1943, the Polish village of Gaj (near Kovel) was burned and some 600 people massacred, in the village of Wola Ostrowiecka 529 people were killed, including 220 children under 14, and 438 people were killed, including 246 children, in Ostrowki. In September 1992 exhumations were carried out in these villages, confirming the number of dead.[94]

In the same month UPA placed notices in every Polish village stating "in 48 hours leave beyond the Bug River or the San river- otherwise Death."[97] Ukrainian attackers limited their actions to villages and settlements, and did not strike towns or cities.

The killings were opposed by the Ukrainian Central Committee under Volodymyr Kubiyovych. In response, UPA units murdered Ukrainian Central Committee representatives, and murdered a Ukrainian Catholic priest who had read an appeal by the Ukrainian Central Committee from his pulpit.[98]

Polish historian Władysław Filar, who witnessed the massacres, cites numerous statements made by Ukrainian officers when reporting their actions to the leaders of UPA-OUN. For example, in late September 1943, the commandant "Lysyi" wrote to the OUN headquarters: "On September 29, 1943, I carried out the action in the villages of Wola Ostrowiecka (see Massacre of Wola Ostrowiecka), and Ostrivky (see Massacre of Ostrówki). I have liquidated all Poles, starting from the youngest ones. Afterwards, all buildings were burned and all goods were confiscated".[99] On that day in Wola Ostrowiecka 529 Poles were murdered (including 220 children under 14), and in Ostrówki, the Ukrainians killed 438 persons (including 246 children).[100]

Methods[edit]
The atrocities were carried out indiscriminately and without restraint. The victims, regardless of their age or gender, were routinely tortured to death. Norman Davies in No Simple Victory gives a short, but shocking description of the massacres. He writes:

Villages were torched. Roman Catholic priests were axed or crucified. Churches were burned with all their parishioners. Isolated farms were attacked by gangs carrying pitchforks and kitchen knives. Throats were cut. Pregnant women were bayoneted. Children were cut in two. Men were ambushed in the field and led away. The perpetrators could not determine the province's future. But at least they could determine that it would be a future without Poles.[101]

An OUN order from early 1944 stated:

Liquidate all Polish traces. Destroy all walls in the Catholic Church and other Polish prayer houses. Destroy orchards and trees in the courtyards so that there will be no trace that someone lived there... Pay attention to the fact that when something remains that is Polish, then the Poles will have pretensions to our land".[11]

UPA commander's order of 6 April 1944 stated: "Fight them [the Poles] unmercifully. No one is to be spared, even in case of mixed marriages"[102]

Timothy Snyder describes the murders: "Ukrainian partisans burned homes, shot or forced back inside those who tried to flee, and used sickles and pitchforks to kill those they captured outside. In some cases, beheaded, crucified, dismembered, or disemboweled bodies were displayed, in order to encourage remaining Poles to flee

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism has done the most for the most. Without question. But there will always be those who prefer being serfs who will lean the socialist way.

Nonsense. Slavery wasn't ended by the capitalists. Government ended slavery.

ROFL! The U.S. government enforced slavery for 65 years. When you say it "ended slavery" you mean it stopped enforcing it. It slaughtered 850,000 people on the process. That isn't anything to boast about.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Yeah.... ISIS is small government...... Saddam was bigger government.

Any questions?

 

[danielpalos]

...and have any self respect?
After all, if your worth is due to that which is taken from someone else, someone who earned it....your value is nothing more than the vote you offer up to your patron, big government.

In full disclosure, the title of the thread is just as cogent if other terms are substituted for 'socialist,' terms such as communist, fascist, Progressive, Nazi or modern Liberal.

1. "Socialism is the end of all invention; it is the happy face of slavery. Mankind are greater gainers by suffering each other to live as seems good to themselves than by compelling each to live as seems good to the rest" - J.S. Mill




2. " Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders–that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.

Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.

It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one’s birth or station in life."

The requirements for success in a free society demand that ordinary citizens order their lives in accordance with certain virtues–namely, rationality, independence, industriousness, prudence, frugality, etc. In a free capitalist society individuals must choose for themselves how they will order their lives and the values they will pursue. Under socialism, most of life’s decisions are made for you.




3. Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.

The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice.
Envy is the desire to not only possess another’s wealth but also the desire to see another’s wealth lowered to the level of one’s own.

Socialism’s teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini.

The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: “Common good comes before private good.”

Fascism, said Mussolini, is ” a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests…realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies.



4. Sadly, America is no longer a capitalist nation. We live under what is more properly called a mixed economy–that is, an economic system that permits private property, but only at the discretion of government planners. A little bit of capitalism and a little bit of socialism.

When government redistributes wealth through taxation, when it attempts to control and regulate business production and trade, who are the winners and losers? Under this kind of economy the winners and losers are reversed: the winners are those who scream the loudest for a handout and the losers are those quiet citizens who work hard and pay their taxes." Socialism vs. Capitalism: Which is the Moral System | Ashbrook



Nazi...national socialism....based on nationalism and/or race...
Communism....international socialism.

Socialism starts with a social contract like our federal Constitution. That is why.

The Constitution isn't a contract.

Yes, it is.

 

[bripat9643]

...and have any self respect?
After all, if your worth is due to that which is taken from someone else, someone who earned it....your value is nothing more than the vote you offer up to your patron, big government.

In full disclosure, the title of the thread is just as cogent if other terms are substituted for 'socialist,' terms such as communist, fascist, Progressive, Nazi or modern Liberal.

1. "Socialism is the end of all invention; it is the happy face of slavery. Mankind are greater gainers by suffering each other to live as seems good to themselves than by compelling each to live as seems good to the rest" - J.S. Mill




2. " Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders–that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.

Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.

It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one’s birth or station in life."

The requirements for success in a free society demand that ordinary citizens order their lives in accordance with certain virtues–namely, rationality, independence, industriousness, prudence, frugality, etc. In a free capitalist society individuals must choose for themselves how they will order their lives and the values they will pursue. Under socialism, most of life’s decisions are made for you.




3. Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.

The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice.
Envy is the desire to not only possess another’s wealth but also the desire to see another’s wealth lowered to the level of one’s own.

Socialism’s teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini.

The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: “Common good comes before private good.”

Fascism, said Mussolini, is ” a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests…realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies.



4. Sadly, America is no longer a capitalist nation. We live under what is more properly called a mixed economy–that is, an economic system that permits private property, but only at the discretion of government planners. A little bit of capitalism and a little bit of socialism.

When government redistributes wealth through taxation, when it attempts to control and regulate business production and trade, who are the winners and losers? Under this kind of economy the winners and losers are reversed: the winners are those who scream the loudest for a handout and the losers are those quiet citizens who work hard and pay their taxes." Socialism vs. Capitalism: Which is the Moral System | Ashbrook



Nazi...national socialism....based on nationalism and/or race...
Communism....international socialism.

Socialism starts with a social contract like our federal Constitution. That is why.

The Constitution isn't a contract.

Yes, it is.

When did I consent to this "contract?"

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

You mean how people take from the labors of others to profit from?

Your understanding of capitalism is likely warped by Marxist college professors.

No, people exchange labor for money. The money paid for the type of labor depends on the availability of such labor, the skill required, and the competition for that labor.

Everyone still has a choice. Choose to mop floor and clean toilets or chose to gain skills to do labor that pays more.

Everybody is exploiting everyone else. It's not a one-way street. The worker is exploiting the business owner's risk taken to start the enterprise.

So you're telling me that capitalist do not make a profit from your labor? That their idea is to break even?

Do you make profit from the labor you perform for a company? Do you go home and at the end of the week get a paycheck that you can buy food, a house, and other nice thing? Or are you a welfare queen who sits on their ass, smoking dope, being a miserable wretch who votes for the very people who keep you poor?
I say you liberals are Number 2 and I mean #2.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The U.S.A killed more civilians in a few minutes in Hiroshima, and Nagasaki... than Mussolini did through out WW2.

Yeah you know there's something very, very wrong when the U.S.A makes out Mussolini as the mega-villain...

Notice how he went with Muss not Hitler or Stalin. Damn man, Socialism has killed more people than capitalism ever has.. Unless planned parenthood is considered capitalism when they sell baby body parts for profit...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The U.S.A killed more civilians in a few minutes in Hiroshima, and Nagasaki... than Mussolini did through out WW2.

Yeah you know there's something very, very wrong when the U.S.A makes out Mussolini as the mega-villain...

Notice how he went with Muss not Hitler or Stalin. Damn man, Socialism has killed more people than capitalism ever has.. Unless planned parenthood is considered capitalism when they sell baby body parts for profit...

The U.S.A has actually killed about as much as Hitler since WW2.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-ha...-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

 

[Moonglow]

You mean how people take from the labors of others to profit from?

Your understanding of capitalism is likely warped by Marxist college professors.

No, people exchange labor for money. The money paid for the type of labor depends on the availability of such labor, the skill required, and the competition for that labor.

Everyone still has a choice. Choose to mop floor and clean toilets or chose to gain skills to do labor that pays more.

Everybody is exploiting everyone else. It's not a one-way street. The worker is exploiting the business owner's risk taken to start the enterprise.

So you're telling me that capitalist do not make a profit from your labor? That their idea is to break even?

Do you make profit from the labor you perform for a company? Do you go home and at the end of the week get a paycheck that you can buy food, a house, and other nice thing? Or are you a welfare queen who sits on their ass, smoking dope, being a miserable wretch who votes for the very people who keep you poor?
I say you liberals are Number 2 and I mean #2.

You never cease to not amaze..

 

[PoliticalChic]

13. Soooo…..you no longer know how to think, not if you're a Democrat voter…..
And….they knew exactly how to take away your ability to think: You didn't want to make waves, to confront the liars who forced Leftism on you….
They counted on your lack of character, and their ability to buy you.
Face it: you're either a coward, or too lazy to pick up a book.



And they admitted what they had planned:

“When we get ready to take the United States, we will not take it under the label of communism; we will not take it under the label socialism.

These labels are unpleasant to the American people, and have been speared too much. We will take the United States under labels we have made very lovable; we will take it under liberalism, under progressivism, under democracy.

But, take it we will.”
~ Alexander Trachtenberg, at the National Convention of Communist Parties, Madison Square Garden, 1944


Trachtenberg worked tirelessly to gain a strangle hold on the culture....and to hide terms like Communist and Socialist."
And now you vote for socialist and communist principles…..but you won't admit it to yourself.



And they've been astoundingly, sadly, successful....because of you, Democrat voter.
And, like Esau, you sold out cheaply.
You gave away America.