How Can You Be A Socialist….

[PoliticalChic]

...and have any self respect?
After all, if your worth is due to that which is taken from someone else, someone who earned it....your value is nothing more than the vote you offer up to your patron, big government.

In full disclosure, the title of the thread is just as cogent if other terms are substituted for 'socialist,' terms such as communist, fascist, Progressive, Nazi or modern Liberal.

1. "Socialism is the end of all invention; it is the happy face of slavery. Mankind are greater gainers by suffering each other to live as seems good to themselves than by compelling each to live as seems good to the rest" - J.S. Mill




2. " Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders–that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.

Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.

It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one’s birth or station in life."

The requirements for success in a free society demand that ordinary citizens order their lives in accordance with certain virtues–namely, rationality, independence, industriousness, prudence, frugality, etc. In a free capitalist society individuals must choose for themselves how they will order their lives and the values they will pursue. Under socialism, most of life’s decisions are made for you.




3. Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.

The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice.
Envy is the desire to not only possess another’s wealth but also the desire to see another’s wealth lowered to the level of one’s own.

Socialism’s teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini.

The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: “Common good comes before private good.”

Fascism, said Mussolini, is ” a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests…realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies.



4. Sadly, America is no longer a capitalist nation. We live under what is more properly called a mixed economy–that is, an economic system that permits private property, but only at the discretion of government planners. A little bit of capitalism and a little bit of socialism.

When government redistributes wealth through taxation, when it attempts to control and regulate business production and trade, who are the winners and losers? Under this kind of economy the winners and losers are reversed: the winners are those who scream the loudest for a handout and the losers are those quiet citizens who work hard and pay their taxes." Socialism vs. Capitalism: Which is the Moral System | Ashbrook



Nazi...national socialism....based on nationalism and/or race...
Communism....international socialism.

Capitalism is having a hard worker work for shit wages so you earn bigger paychecks and give them meager raises every once in a while....

How gracious of your to verify the words of Confucius:
Thought without learning is perilous.

Let me help you up:

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.”

But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.


Do your best not to appear a dunce, in the future.

Doesn't refute my facts darling. Capitalists get rich off of others hard work. That's why there is so many ppl on welfare that work! They don't make enough money but ya damn sure their bosses do! Walmart for example combined owners are worth over 100 billion and yet pay their lowest paid workers 10$ an hour!

What you've shown is the inability to incorporate the facts into your post.

Either the facts, or truth.

 

[Preacher]

...and have any self respect?
After all, if your worth is due to that which is taken from someone else, someone who earned it....your value is nothing more than the vote you offer up to your patron, big government.

In full disclosure, the title of the thread is just as cogent if other terms are substituted for 'socialist,' terms such as communist, fascist, Progressive, Nazi or modern Liberal.

1. "Socialism is the end of all invention; it is the happy face of slavery. Mankind are greater gainers by suffering each other to live as seems good to themselves than by compelling each to live as seems good to the rest" - J.S. Mill




2. " Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders–that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.

Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.

It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one’s birth or station in life."

The requirements for success in a free society demand that ordinary citizens order their lives in accordance with certain virtues–namely, rationality, independence, industriousness, prudence, frugality, etc. In a free capitalist society individuals must choose for themselves how they will order their lives and the values they will pursue. Under socialism, most of life’s decisions are made for you.




3. Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.

The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice.
Envy is the desire to not only possess another’s wealth but also the desire to see another’s wealth lowered to the level of one’s own.

Socialism’s teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini.

The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: “Common good comes before private good.”

Fascism, said Mussolini, is ” a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests…realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies.



4. Sadly, America is no longer a capitalist nation. We live under what is more properly called a mixed economy–that is, an economic system that permits private property, but only at the discretion of government planners. A little bit of capitalism and a little bit of socialism.

When government redistributes wealth through taxation, when it attempts to control and regulate business production and trade, who are the winners and losers? Under this kind of economy the winners and losers are reversed: the winners are those who scream the loudest for a handout and the losers are those quiet citizens who work hard and pay their taxes." Socialism vs. Capitalism: Which is the Moral System | Ashbrook



Nazi...national socialism....based on nationalism and/or race...
Communism....international socialism.

Capitalism is having a hard worker work for shit wages so you earn bigger paychecks and give them meager raises every once in a while....

How gracious of your to verify the words of Confucius:
Thought without learning is perilous.

Let me help you up:

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.”

But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.


Do your best not to appear a dunce, in the future.

Doesn't refute my facts darling. Capitalists get rich off of others hard work. That's why there is so many ppl on welfare that work! They don't make enough money but ya damn sure their bosses do! Walmart for example combined owners are worth over 100 billion and yet pay their lowest paid workers 10$ an hour!

What you've shown is the inability to incorporate the facts into your post.

Either the facts, or truth.

Nope I showed both and you know it.

 

[danielpalos]

India by Capitalism.

Ukraine by Communism.

Poland by Nazis.

Yeah, we get it Jewish Lives Matter.... But it's time to let others to have a voice.

A lack of Statism for Judeans? Good thing, Israelis are willing to "take them in".

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Enjoy Capitalism.....

Wear Che Guevara made by Capitalist companies on your shirt.

Your cute Mao shirt made by Capitalist companies.

Use the Soviet invention of the Satellite to watch TV,

Get an Abortion in a Capitalist Hospital, that comes from Soviets, or was created by Nazis on enemies they considered as racial trash.

Drink Nazi Soda.

Drive the German Nazi mobile.

Wear Nazi clothes.

Yeah Nazis invented the Anti-Tobacco, and Peace sign you support too.

Most of it's made in Communist China.

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. How about 'Progressivism'? Same as socialism, fascism, Liberalism…..

See if you agree:

a. "W.E.B. DuBois had studied at the University of Berlin, and this itself was the almost universal among early progressives, who envied Bismarck’s welfare state, and Hegel’s philosophy. Hegel introduced a system for understanding the history of philosophy and the world itself, often described as a "progression in which each successive movement emerges as a resolution to the contradictions inherent in the preceding movement."
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wikipedia



b. "Before WW II, the same folks who championed Progressivism, viewed fascism as a noble economic agenda, and praised Mussolini. It was the horrors of the Holocaust that required both the rapid retreat from associations with the term fascism, and the rebranding by John Dewey of progressivism as liberalism.

W.E.B.DuBois suggested that National Socialism seemed an excellent model for economic organization." http://www.ghi-dc.org/files/publications/bu_supp/supp5/supp5_099.pdf





Progressivism, fascism, Nazism….peas of the same pod.




Never taught that in government school, did they.

Can you figure out why?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

They had no real government of their own, and they did one of the most gruesome genocide massacres of WW2.

Their prized weapons were axes, pitchforks, and fire (burning down Polish villages)

Almost all of the victims were Women, and Children

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You know you're in a Sub-Human country of Cultural Marxist Capitalism.

When you're from Poland, and make great Reggae in English, and no one really knows about you.

But, somehow the guy gets promoted as a super popular singer who makes terrible Reggae, and speaks horrible English, despite living in English speaking Jamaica.

 

[Tom Horn]

I know an ex-Marine who claims he's a Viet Vet yet, voted for Bernie. Anybody who got in any trigger-time in that conflict would sooner send a round through Bernie's head than ever vote for him. Real communism is the filthiest, most violent system of oppression ever devised and those of us who saw it in person will never forget that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I know an ex-Marine who claims he's a Viet Vet yet, voted for Bernie. Anybody who got in any trigger-time in that conflict would sooner send a round through Bernie's head than ever vote for him. Real communism is the filthiest, most violent system of oppression ever devised and those of us who saw it in person will never forget that.

Soooo...... what the dilly yo with your ex-Marine pal????

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You know you live in a society without White privilege.

When you're from Poland, bother to make a English rock song with good lyrics, and almost no one knows you in America.

But, that the Black Puerto Rican living in American territory makes degenerate music on the radio in Spanish, and it's on the radio, and a big hit in America.

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. If you vote Democrat, you have been (mis)led, manipulated, lulled into accepting the Left's views on private property, liberty, and individualism: they are either chimerical or evil.


Think government school taught you to be an American???

While you may claim to idolize Jefferson, Madison, and Mason, your Democrat vote is for the beliefs of Rousseau, Hegel, and Marx.



a. "The Germans have a history of embracing authoritarian rule. As the German philosopher Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest” (Ralf Dahrendorf, Society and Democracy in Germany).



b. "The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’

The dichotomy that is today’s political reality is based on this retreat, as the American left simply flipped from the brown-shirt utopians to the red-flag utopians, parroting Stalin’s rhetoric: anything objectionable is fascist."
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"





Offered the opportunity to be an American in the tradition of our Founders.....

...how can you vote socialist???

 

[Tom Horn]

I know an ex-Marine who claims he's a Viet Vet yet, voted for Bernie. Anybody who got in any trigger-time in that conflict would sooner send a round through Bernie's head than ever vote for him. Real communism is the filthiest, most violent system of oppression ever devised and those of us who saw it in person will never forget that.

Soooo...... what the dilly yo with your ex-Marine pal????

He's not a pal...I just met him on a new sales crew I was on..... A real Trump hater and I drew his name out of a hat and had to buy him a bottle of Scotch in the company"secret santa" scam. (I got a $25 gift certificate to a burger place almost 15 miles from me)....hope he chokes on it.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Capitalism..... Sub Human style.

You hate that Che Guevara T-Shirt that was made by a Capitalist company in Mexico.

You live in Condominiums that look like Communist row blocks, and where there's regulations, and rules.

You think Cinco De Mayo is being sold to you by Communists.

You have a Mexican illegal immigrant mow your lawn.

But, it must be Communism bringing in Mexicans.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

This guy killed over 200,000 in Ethiopia, and freed the slaves of Ethiopia.

One of the most hated people.

This guy killed over 600,000 in America, and freed the slaves of America.

One of the most beloved people.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You know you live in a Sub-Human society of Capitalist Cultural-Marxists..

When you can make a band called Dying Fetus, which glorifies killing your mom, and raping your dog, and no one cares.

But, when you make a band called Graveland, which glorifies Poland in a Nationalist view of White Winged Hussars, and there's a controversy of get the Nazi.

 

[Desperado]

You mean how people take from the labors of others to profit from?

Yes just like the government takes from the paychecks of others to profit from their corruption

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You know your Capitalist society has become junk.

When everything in our society tends to ignore holidays like Pulaski day for a Polish hero of the American Revolutionary War, or Von Steuben Day for a German hero of the American Revolutionary War.

But, will celebrate a hero of Ireland who wasn't Irish, and was bought back by Irish slavers, or a Mexican Nationalist holiday.

Yeah.... I didn't think it made much sense... either.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You know something's wrong in your Capitalist Music Industry.

When a decent Polish rock song in English gets 500 thousand views.



But, that Spanish song with no talent gets nearly 5 billion views.... Many of them in the U.S because of Justin Bieber.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I know an ex-Marine who claims he's a Viet Vet yet, voted for Bernie. Anybody who got in any trigger-time in that conflict would sooner send a round through Bernie's head than ever vote for him. Real communism is the filthiest, most violent system of oppression ever devised and those of us who saw it in person will never forget that.

Soooo...... what the dilly yo with your ex-Marine pal????

He's not a pal...I just met him on a new sales crew I was on..... A real Trump hater and I drew his name out of a hat and had to buy him a bottle of Scotch in the company"secret santa" scam. (I got a $25 gift certificate to a burger place almost 15 miles from me)....hope he chokes on it.

It was good of you to stoop to help an incompetent.

I may call you 'Mother Teresa' from now on.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You know your Capitalist society has become junk.

When everything in our society tends to ignore holidays like Pulaski day for a Polish hero of the American Revolutionary War, or Von Steuben Day for a German hero of the American Revolutionary War.

But, will celebrate a hero of Ireland who wasn't Irish, and was bought back by Irish slavers, or a Mexican Nationalist holiday.

Yeah.... I didn't think it made much sense... either.

"You know your Capitalist society has become junk."



If you're unhappy here......I'll help you pack.