How come Lincoln got away with shutting down hundreds of newspapers and jailed journalists

[EvilEyeFleegle]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus… Unforgivable...

Take it up with Congress:

Habeas Corpus Suspension Act

Once again.. He suspended it BEFORE this. 2 years before this Act.
President Lincoln suspends the writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War - May 25, 1861 - HISTORY.com

Desperate times call for desperate measures

Thread is closed idiot.

Too funny..you actually think you run something other than your mouth??

Thread is open...

 

[rightwinger]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus… Unforgivable...

Take it up with Congress:

Habeas Corpus Suspension Act

Once again.. He suspended it BEFORE this. 2 years before this Act.
President Lincoln suspends the writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War - May 25, 1861 - HISTORY.com

Desperate times call for desperate measures

To a statist.
Not to decent people.

FDR broke the rules too and nationalized all business

You gotta do what it takes

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Yeah, I get it, the actual historical documents..have no credence with idiots..ROTFLMFAO!

You're still a liar...and markedly unintelligent, to boot. I get differing opinions..but different facts? Quotes attributed falsely?

The South was not a victim..but the perpetrator of our national tragedy. Their leadership brought that bloody war about for one reason..they felt that their stranglehold on US politics was about to end..that despite a Constitutional 'false equity', counting slaves to make a false representation of their population and garner representation they were not entitled to...they could no longer be the tail that wagged the dog...so they cut and ran. We, the United States of America, decided differently..and on the battlefield, where ultimately such cases are decided..the South was crushed and the Jeffersonian political philosophy was rejected by our country.

All the whining in the world will not change this..all the historical revisions and false equivalencies will not change this. War is horrible..and Civil War the worst! But...The South could have cowed down to the rule of law..accepted that the days of slavery were numbered--made the best deal possible--and perhaps, just perhaps--the Jeffersonian ideal of sovereign individual states might have survived, in some form, at least.

The fact that it bugs you...is just an added little cherry on my Sunday...LOL!

What historical documents? You haven't posted anything from any "historical documents." You've posted the opinion of some humbug government subsidized historian.

The South was obviously the victim. Lincoln invaded the South and ended up slaughtering 850,000 people. Lincoln is the sole cause of the war. He gave the order to invade Virginia. That fact is irrefutable. Your post is nothing but an attempt to spin the facts. The 3/5 clause in the Constitution is irreleant.

You're arguing that might makes right, just as any douchebag Stalinist would.

What Lincoln did is the exact opposite of the rule of law. No law gave Lincoln the authority to invade Virginia. That's the bottom line.

You're trying to justify mass murder.

The south created a nation whose sole purpose was to preserve slavery

They deserved to be destroyed

Adolph Hitler would be so proud the way you pass judgements on whether entire societies deserve to survive.

The bottom line is that everything Loncoln did was a violation of the Constitution. If anyone deserved to hang, it was Lincoln.

The Confederacy was a nation morally equivalent to Nazi Germany

my god the shit you're willing to say.

the only comparison was we have is that you are making the north the good guys and the south the bad guys. IN THAT LIGHT, sure the south is now nazi germany. however the south wasn't telling people how to live. that was the north and why they were pissed.

slavery was part of it to be sure. but a bigger part was the south tired of the north telling them how to live.

you know, like you are doing now to others.

the left sure is in overdrive to make sure any "evil" word is beaten to shit and holds no value anymore.

You have a point..in your comparison to today...The mainstream has taken the tack that shaming the alt/right is the way to go..and that is engendering great anger..and indeed..the North shaming the South over the slavery issue is what got their backs up and fueled the popular backlash. As the mainstream of today shames the right and drives them from the table, we are setting the stage for our own blowback.

As far as taking words and beating them to death..or at least out of any original meaning..both sides hold equal honors in this.

 

[gipper]

Okay. Let’s put this thread to bed and ALL agree that Dishonest Abe was a lying murdering lawless asshole.


Thank you very much.

We were talking about Dick Cheney? Who knew?

Him too along with just about EVERYONE in the political class, since at least Stalin’s Stooge.

 

[iceberg]

What historical documents? You haven't posted anything from any "historical documents." You've posted the opinion of some humbug government subsidized historian.

The South was obviously the victim. Lincoln invaded the South and ended up slaughtering 850,000 people. Lincoln is the sole cause of the war. He gave the order to invade Virginia. That fact is irrefutable. Your post is nothing but an attempt to spin the facts. The 3/5 clause in the Constitution is irreleant.

You're arguing that might makes right, just as any douchebag Stalinist would.

What Lincoln did is the exact opposite of the rule of law. No law gave Lincoln the authority to invade Virginia. That's the bottom line.

You're trying to justify mass murder.

The south created a nation whose sole purpose was to preserve slavery

They deserved to be destroyed

Adolph Hitler would be so proud the way you pass judgements on whether entire societies deserve to survive.

The bottom line is that everything Loncoln did was a violation of the Constitution. If anyone deserved to hang, it was Lincoln.

The Confederacy was a nation morally equivalent to Nazi Germany

my god the shit you're willing to say.

the only comparison was we have is that you are making the north the good guys and the south the bad guys. IN THAT LIGHT, sure the south is now nazi germany. however the south wasn't telling people how to live. that was the north and why they were pissed.

slavery was part of it to be sure. but a bigger part was the south tired of the north telling them how to live.

you know, like you are doing now to others.

the left sure is in overdrive to make sure any "evil" word is beaten to shit and holds no value anymore.

You have a point..in your comparison to today...The mainstream has taken the tack that shaming the alt/right is the way to go..and that is engendering great anger..and indeed..the North shaming the South over the slavery issue is what got their backs up and fueled the popular backlash. As the mainstream of today shames the right and drives them from the table, we are setting the stage for our own blowback.

As far as taking words and beating them to death..or at least out of any original meaning..both sides hold equal honors in this.

to be sure the hate isn't one direction by any means. but i don't see the right using extreme words like white supremacist, nazi, racist and so forth at the drop of a hat when someone disagrees with them.

we're all so quick to demonize the other side we've gone off the rails in what these words actually mean from a historical perspective.

 

[gipper]

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus… Unforgivable...

Take it up with Congress:

Habeas Corpus Suspension Act

Once again.. He suspended it BEFORE this. 2 years before this Act.
President Lincoln suspends the writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War - May 25, 1861 - HISTORY.com

Desperate times call for desperate measures

Thread is closed idiot.

Too funny..you actually think you run something other than your mouth??

Thread is open...

LMFAO. GOTCHA!

 

[Unkotare]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus… Unforgivable...

Take it up with Congress:

Habeas Corpus Suspension Act

Once again.. He suspended it BEFORE this. 2 years before this Act.
President Lincoln suspends the writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War - May 25, 1861 - HISTORY.com

Exercising wartime powers as commander in chief. A decision validated by the legislature.

 

[Unkotare]

Okay. Let’s put this thread to bed and ALL agree that Dishonest Abe was a lying murdering lawless asshole.


Thank you very much.

Wannabe anarchist playing on the internet.’

 

[bripat9643]

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus… Unforgivable...

Take it up with Congress:

Habeas Corpus Suspension Act

Once again.. He suspended it BEFORE this. 2 years before this Act.
President Lincoln suspends the writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War - May 25, 1861 - HISTORY.com

Desperate times call for desperate measures

To a statist.
Not to decent people.

FDR broke the rules too and nationalized all business

You gotta do what it takes

He was also a Stalinist scumbag.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

 

[TNHarley]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus… Unforgivable...

Take it up with Congress:

Habeas Corpus Suspension Act

Once again.. He suspended it BEFORE this. 2 years before this Act.
President Lincoln suspends the writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War - May 25, 1861 - HISTORY.com

Exercising wartime powers as commander in chief. A decision validated by the legislature.

Even the SC went against Lincoln.
You statists sure are some delusional mother fuckers.

 

[there4eyeM]

The Civil War was not about Lincoln. The Civil War was not caused by Lincoln. Lincoln did not start the Civil War. People at the time knew that a declaration of secession meant war. The South wished to commit this act because it did not care to confront a legal attempt to change the nature of America. In historical instances similar to this, rebellion, the very most severe punishments ensued. The South should have known it could not succeed, but reason did not prevail and war was forced to resolve the matter.
The matter was resolved.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

The south created a nation whose sole purpose was to preserve slavery

They deserved to be destroyed

Adolph Hitler would be so proud the way you pass judgements on whether entire societies deserve to survive.

The bottom line is that everything Loncoln did was a violation of the Constitution. If anyone deserved to hang, it was Lincoln.

The Confederacy was a nation morally equivalent to Nazi Germany

my god the shit you're willing to say.

the only comparison was we have is that you are making the north the good guys and the south the bad guys. IN THAT LIGHT, sure the south is now nazi germany. however the south wasn't telling people how to live. that was the north and why they were pissed.

slavery was part of it to be sure. but a bigger part was the south tired of the north telling them how to live.

you know, like you are doing now to others.

the left sure is in overdrive to make sure any "evil" word is beaten to shit and holds no value anymore.

You have a point..in your comparison to today...The mainstream has taken the tack that shaming the alt/right is the way to go..and that is engendering great anger..and indeed..the North shaming the South over the slavery issue is what got their backs up and fueled the popular backlash. As the mainstream of today shames the right and drives them from the table, we are setting the stage for our own blowback.

As far as taking words and beating them to death..or at least out of any original meaning..both sides hold equal honors in this.

to be sure the hate isn't one direction by any means. but i don't see the right using extreme words like white supremacist, nazi, racist and so forth at the drop of a hat when someone disagrees with them.

we're all so quick to demonize the other side we've gone off the rails in what these words actually mean from a historical perspective.

Stalinist, Communist, Socialist, Fascist, Radical, Maoist are just a few of the terms the right likes to throw around as regards the left...often totally ignoring what those terms mean historically and totally reinventing their meaning to suit themselves.

It is a shame that the bulk of our country seems to think and communicate via memes and disinformation..and disdains actual fact, reason and logic in favor of knee-jerk response.

 

[gipper]

The Civil War was not about Lincoln. The Civil War was not caused by Lincoln. Lincoln did not start the Civil War. People at the time knew that a declaration of secession meant war. The South wished to commit this act because it did not care to confront a legal attempt to change the nature of America. In historical instances similar to this, rebellion, the very most severe punishments ensued. The South should have known it could not succeed, but reason did not prevail and war was forced to resolve the matter.
The matter was resolved.

Not true. Many thought secession legal. Several secession attempts were made before Lincoln’s War, but were averted.

Plus the South sent a delegation to meet with Dishonest Abe to discuss payment for federal property in the South and to pay their share of the nation debt. Why would they do this if they knew secession meant war Old Abe told them to fuck off and die.

Before Dishonest Abe demanded war, many newspapers in the North said let the South go peacefully. Why would they do this if secession was illegal? This all changed when he started theathening and imprisoning reporters.

 

[iceberg]

Adolph Hitler would be so proud the way you pass judgements on whether entire societies deserve to survive.

The bottom line is that everything Loncoln did was a violation of the Constitution. If anyone deserved to hang, it was Lincoln.

The Confederacy was a nation morally equivalent to Nazi Germany

my god the shit you're willing to say.

the only comparison was we have is that you are making the north the good guys and the south the bad guys. IN THAT LIGHT, sure the south is now nazi germany. however the south wasn't telling people how to live. that was the north and why they were pissed.

slavery was part of it to be sure. but a bigger part was the south tired of the north telling them how to live.

you know, like you are doing now to others.

the left sure is in overdrive to make sure any "evil" word is beaten to shit and holds no value anymore.

You have a point..in your comparison to today...The mainstream has taken the tack that shaming the alt/right is the way to go..and that is engendering great anger..and indeed..the North shaming the South over the slavery issue is what got their backs up and fueled the popular backlash. As the mainstream of today shames the right and drives them from the table, we are setting the stage for our own blowback.

As far as taking words and beating them to death..or at least out of any original meaning..both sides hold equal honors in this.

to be sure the hate isn't one direction by any means. but i don't see the right using extreme words like white supremacist, nazi, racist and so forth at the drop of a hat when someone disagrees with them.

we're all so quick to demonize the other side we've gone off the rails in what these words actually mean from a historical perspective.

Stalinist, Communist, Socialist, Fascist, Radical, Maoist are just a few of the terms the right likes to throw around as regards the left...often totally ignoring what those terms mean historically and totally reinventing their meaning to suit themselves.

It is a shame that the bulk of our country seems to think and communicate via memes and disinformation..and disdains actual fact, reason and logic in favor of knee-jerk response.

fair enough - i think we all tend to be blinded by "our side" to a degree and it's important to see where we do the things we hate so *we* can address *our own* behaviors.

 

[rightwinger]

Take it up with Congress:

Habeas Corpus Suspension Act

Once again.. He suspended it BEFORE this. 2 years before this Act.
President Lincoln suspends the writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War - May 25, 1861 - HISTORY.com

Desperate times call for desperate measures

To a statist.
Not to decent people.

FDR broke the rules too and nationalized all business

You gotta do what it takes

He was also a Stalinist scumbag.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Greatest President next to Lincoln

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The Civil War was not about Lincoln. The Civil War was not caused by Lincoln. Lincoln did not start the Civil War. People at the time knew that a declaration of secession meant war. The South wished to commit this act because it did not care to confront a legal attempt to change the nature of America. In historical instances similar to this, rebellion, the very most severe punishments ensued. The South should have known it could not succeed, but reason did not prevail and war was forced to resolve the matter.
The matter was resolved.

Why did secession mean war?

Who wanted to start a war if states seceded?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Stalinist, Communist, Socialist, Fascist, Radical, Maoist are just a few of the terms the right likes to throw around as regards the left...often totally ignoring what those terms mean historically and totally reinventing their meaning to suit themselves.

Funny. That's what the left has been doing to hide their commie tendencies.

 

[rightwinger]

The Civil War was not about Lincoln. The Civil War was not caused by Lincoln. Lincoln did not start the Civil War. People at the time knew that a declaration of secession meant war. The South wished to commit this act because it did not care to confront a legal attempt to change the nature of America. In historical instances similar to this, rebellion, the very most severe punishments ensued. The South should have known it could not succeed, but reason did not prevail and war was forced to resolve the matter.
The matter was resolved.

Not true. Many thought secession legal. Several secession attempts were made before Lincoln’s War, but were averted.

Plus the South sent a delegation to meet with Dishonest Abe to discuss payment for federal property in the South and to pay their share of the nation debt. Why would they do this if they knew secession meant war Old Abe told them to fuck off and die.

Before Dishonest Abe demanded war, many newspapers in the North said let the South go peacefully. Why would they do this if secession was illegal? This all changed when he started theathening and imprisoning reporters.

It was the South that panicked when Abe was elected. They quickly formed a country to ensure slavery would exist forever
Lincoln only wanted to stop the spread of slavery. Because the south overplayed a bad hand, slavery was gone in four years

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It was the South that panicked when Abe was elected. They quickly formed a country to ensure slavery would exist forever
Lincoln only wanted to stop the spread of slavery. Because the south overplayed a bad hand, slavery was gone in four years

That still does not mean war had to happen. Letting them secede stopped the spread of slavery.

Why don't you admit the real reason war had to happen?

 

[rightwinger]

It was the South that panicked when Abe was elected. They quickly formed a country to ensure slavery would exist forever
Lincoln only wanted to stop the spread of slavery. Because the south overplayed a bad hand, slavery was gone in four years

That still does not mean war had to happen. Letting them secede stopped the spread of slavery.

Why don't you admit the real reason war had to happen?

Ft Sumpter

Bad decision from the south ...made war inevitable