how did birth certificate qualification turn into "racism"?

Because he's the only candidate in recent history who was pressured to show his. Even though he has his short form birth certificate proving his birth, the state of Hawaii backing it up, it apparently wasn't enough.

Not to mention the references to Kenya and the claim that he is Muslim.

When was the last time a candidate had to prove he was American?


So when the 2008 clinton campaign decided to subtly paint obama as "his roots to basic American and values and culture are at best limited", and pushed his "lack of American roots", her supporters circulating an email implying that he wasn't born in Hawaii, Bob Kerrey using obama's full name (hussein), talking about him being muslim, saying that "people are acting as if he's an islamic Manchurian candidate" -- that was because he's black. Right?

Apparently they were so subtle about it that there is no evidence they actually did it.

Now, how does that in any way absolve Trump from building his political fortunes on the birther nonsense for five years after the release of the long form?

Evidence posted, you choose to ignore it.

Where did I say that it did?

The campaign acted in no way with these tactics. No evidence exists that it did.

The thread is about birtherism. Trump is the birther in chief . You can't separate him from the discussion.
 
So when the 2008 clinton campaign decided to subtly paint obama as "his roots to basic American and values and culture are at best limited", and pushed his "lack of American roots", her supporters circulating an email implying that he wasn't born in Hawaii, Bob Kerrey using obama's full name (hussein), talking about him being muslim, saying that "people are acting as if he's an islamic Manchurian candidate" -- that was because he's black. Right?
Huh? What email did the Hillary campaign send that implied Obama was not born in Hawaii?

You know, I've lost count of how many times I've told you to READ WHAT I ACTUALLY POSTED. Fucking moron.
Scuse me.... Hillary's supporters....
Still no answer.... what email did Hillary supporters send to imply Obama was not born in Hawaii? The only such email I saw were sent anonymously with no way of identifying the sender.

You know, it would do you well to actually read what I've already posted instead of constantly asking, because I've already provided this answer.

"The idea that Obama was born elsewhere, specifically Kenya, was first floated in April 2008, according to a 22 April 2011 Politico article by Ben Smith and Byron Tau on the origins of birtherism:

That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous e-mail questioning Obama’s citizenship.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008.

That Hillary Clinton supporters circulated such an e-mail isn't in question, but the claim that that's the moment the birther theory "first emerged" simply isn't true. The likeliest point of origin we've been able to find was a post on conservative message board FreeRepublic.com dated 1 March 2008 (which, according to a report in The Telegraph, was at least a month before Clinton supporters got on the e-mail bandwagon)."

Did Clinton Supporters Start the 'Birther' Movement?


You know, it would do you well to actually read what I've already posted instead of constantly asking, because I've already provided this answer.

You keep saying that but I don't think it means what you think it does.

The campaign never considered, adopted or acted on anything remotely close to birtherism. Certainly not in any way, shape or form that is close to what Trump did.

You've failed. Give it up.
 
And by 'special treatment' Spare means he graduated law school while being black.

Both Barack Obama and George Bush went to Harvard- Obama for law, Bush for his masters.

Guess what- neither decided to show you his transcripts.

Of course now one expected that Bush got special treatment in Harvard........the son of a wealthy family would never get special treatment.......

No, getting in because he's black. That's special treatment.

So getting special treatment because your family is wealthy is wrong but getting special treatment because of your skin color isn't.

Smells like hypocrisy.

The difference is that no one accused Bush of getting special treatment because his family was wealthy.

But lots of people accused Obama of getting special treatment- because Barack Obama is black.

Think this through- If Obama was not black- these people would not be accusing him of getting special treatment because of his skin color- their accusations are about his race- not because there is ANY evidence he got any special treatment.

They just assume that a black man must have gotten special treatment to get into Harvard Law.

His grades from Occidental were crap yet he got into Harvard. But no special treatment. Uh huh.
Oh? What was his GPA?

Also, don't ignore the benefits of being a legacy helping him gain entry.
 
The list is endless ... you're letting your ignorance get in your way.

Call your local newspaper --- ask them how many birth certificates for presidential campaigns they have seen in the last 50 years.

Then, crawl back here and apologize.

Why don't you show us?

How do you propose I show you? Rob your local newspaper office? I've been very clear. Those packages are provided to the press. They aren't published on the internet - they aren't handed out to the common folks - they're background material.

Are you NOT capable of making a phone call? Ask them how the vetting process for a candidate is done, and what usually initiates the vetting. (Oh, don't call the Pissant, OR Tribune - call one of the major players in the media).

Until you do, you just simply don't know what the hell you're talking about, and your ignorance is annoying. No, I take that back ---- your ignorance isn't annoying, it's B-O-R-I-N-G.

Prove the process, duh.

Then prove that Obama didn't have to take more additional steps than other candidates.

It's not rocket surgery.

As you've been told 10 times, he had to take extra steps because he failed to provide his birth certificate in the original packet,..

You do realize- you lying 10 times doesn't make it any less of a lie.

There is no 'original packet', no candidates provide their birth certificate- you are just pulling this out of Birther assdom.

Pick up the damn phone --- call your newspaper, and ask them how many presidential candidate birth certificates they have seen in the past 50 years ...

then, crawl back here and apologize for the obviously rampant stupidity in your house.
 
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What is not a non-issue was his refusal to provide his grade transcript, particularly considering he appeared to have special treatment at Harvard.

And by 'special treatment' Spare means he graduated law school while being black.

Both Barack Obama and George Bush went to Harvard- Obama for law, Bush for his masters.

Guess what- neither decided to show you his transcripts.

Of course now one expected that Bush got special treatment in Harvard........the son of a wealthy family would never get special treatment.......

Actually, what 'special treatment' Spare means is that Obama was selected as the Editor of the Harvard Law Review because the chancellor was being pressured to apply Affirmative Action to the position. Obama was NOT the most qualified, but he was the blackest. In fact, his grades at Columbia would not have justified his admission to Harvard Law School had it not been for Affirmative Action.
 
Why don't you show us?

How do you propose I show you? Rob your local newspaper office? I've been very clear. Those packages are provided to the press. They aren't published on the internet - they aren't handed out to the common folks - they're background material.

Are you NOT capable of making a phone call? Ask them how the vetting process for a candidate is done, and what usually initiates the vetting. (Oh, don't call the Pissant, OR Tribune - call one of the major players in the media).

Until you do, you just simply don't know what the hell you're talking about, and your ignorance is annoying. No, I take that back ---- your ignorance isn't annoying, it's B-O-R-I-N-G.

Prove the process, duh.

Then prove that Obama didn't have to take more additional steps than other candidates.

It's not rocket surgery.

As you've been told 10 times, he had to take extra steps because he failed to provide his birth certificate in the original packet,..

You do realize- you lying 10 times doesn't make it any less of a lie.

There is no 'original packet', no candidates provide their birth certificate- you are just pulling this out of Birther assdom.

Pick up the damn phone --- call your newspaper, and ask them how many presidential candidate birth certificates they have seen in the past 50 years ...

then, crawl back here and apologize for the obviously rampant stupidity in your house.
It's adorable how you think it's incumbent upon others to prove you right.
 
Why don't you show us?

How do you propose I show you? Rob your local newspaper office? I've been very clear. Those packages are provided to the press. They aren't published on the internet - they aren't handed out to the common folks - they're background material.

Are you NOT capable of making a phone call? Ask them how the vetting process for a candidate is done, and what usually initiates the vetting. (Oh, don't call the Pissant, OR Tribune - call one of the major players in the media).

Until you do, you just simply don't know what the hell you're talking about, and your ignorance is annoying. No, I take that back ---- your ignorance isn't annoying, it's B-O-R-I-N-G.

Prove the process, duh.

Then prove that Obama didn't have to take more additional steps than other candidates.

It's not rocket surgery.

As you've been told 10 times, he had to take extra steps because he failed to provide his birth certificate in the original packet,..

You do realize- you lying 10 times doesn't make it any less of a lie.

There is no 'original packet', no candidates provide their birth certificate- you are just pulling this out of Birther assdom.

Pick up the damn phone --- call your newspaper, and ask them how many presidential candidate birth certificates they have seen in the past 50 years ...

then, crawl back here and apologize for the obviously rampant stupidity in your house.

Or just post an example.
 
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What is not a non-issue was his refusal to provide his grade transcript, particularly considering he appeared to have special treatment at Harvard.

And by 'special treatment' Spare means he graduated law school while being black.

Both Barack Obama and George Bush went to Harvard- Obama for law, Bush for his masters.

Guess what- neither decided to show you his transcripts.

Of course now one expected that Bush got special treatment in Harvard........the son of a wealthy family would never get special treatment.......

Actually, what 'special treatment' Spare means is that Obama was selected as the Editor of the Harvard Law Review because the chancellor was being pressured to apply Affirmative Action to the position. Obama was NOT the most qualified, but he was the blackest. In fact, his grades at Columbia would not have justified his admission to Harvard Law School had it not been for Affirmative Action.

Gonna hafta prove it brah.
 
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What is not a non-issue was his refusal to provide his grade transcript, particularly considering he appeared to have special treatment at Harvard.

And by 'special treatment' Spare means he graduated law school while being black.

Both Barack Obama and George Bush went to Harvard- Obama for law, Bush for his masters.

Guess what- neither decided to show you his transcripts.

Of course now one expected that Bush got special treatment in Harvard........the son of a wealthy family would never get special treatment.......

Actually, what 'special treatment' Spare means is that Obama was selected as the Editor of the Harvard Law Review because the chancellor was being pressured to apply Affirmative Action to the position. Obama was NOT the most qualified, but he was the blackest. In fact, his grades at Columbia would not have justified his admission to Harvard Law School had it not been for Affirmative Action.
What was the minimum GPA required to get into Harvard in 1988 for a legacy?
 
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What is not a non-issue was his refusal to provide his grade transcript, particularly considering he appeared to have special treatment at Harvard.

And by 'special treatment' Spare means he graduated law school while being black.

Both Barack Obama and George Bush went to Harvard- Obama for law, Bush for his masters.

Guess what- neither decided to show you his transcripts.

Of course now one expected that Bush got special treatment in Harvard........the son of a wealthy family would never get special treatment.......

Actually, what 'special treatment' Spare means is that Obama was selected as the Editor of the Harvard Law Review because the chancellor was being pressured to apply Affirmative Action to the position. Obama was NOT the most qualified, but he was the blackest. In fact, his grades at Columbia would not have justified his admission to Harvard Law School had it not been for Affirmative Action.

Gonna hafta prove it brah.

No, as a matter of fact, I don't .... those packets are not available to the general public, and you will only find snippets of them on the Internet.

The only way to prove that I'm wrong is to pick up your phone. If you're too lazy to do that, then you can continue to be terminally ignorant.

It's your choice.
 
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What is not a non-issue was his refusal to provide his grade transcript, particularly considering he appeared to have special treatment at Harvard.

And by 'special treatment' Spare means he graduated law school while being black.

Both Barack Obama and George Bush went to Harvard- Obama for law, Bush for his masters.

Guess what- neither decided to show you his transcripts.

Of course now one expected that Bush got special treatment in Harvard........the son of a wealthy family would never get special treatment.......

Actually, what 'special treatment' Spare means is that Obama was selected as the Editor of the Harvard Law Review because the chancellor was being pressured to apply Affirmative Action to the position. Obama was NOT the most qualified, but he was the blackest. In fact, his grades at Columbia would not have justified his admission to Harvard Law School had it not been for Affirmative Action.

Gonna hafta prove it brah.

No, as a matter of fact, I don't .... those packets are not available to the general public, and you will only find snippets of them on the Internet.

The only way to prove that I'm wrong is to pick up your phone. If you're too lazy to do that, then you can continue to be terminally ignorant.

It's your choice.

Do I call the affirmative action information line and ask for the 80's Harvard desk?
 
how did birth certificate qualification turn into "racism"?

It wasn't racism when Hillary's camp did it. Once others picked it up, everyone but Hillary turns into racist.

Still not once did Hillary clinton question President Obama's place of birth.

Donald TRump questioned Obama place of birth for 5 years- even after he saw his birth certificate AND even after Hawaii said he was born there.

If it wasn't because of race- why did Trump lie?

Right, her campaign did it, not her. Her hands are clean, although she most likely personally requested it to exploit the possibility.

Her campaign did it. She did it. Once caught, she fired "those responsible". Someone always takes a virtual or real bullet for Hillary. One for the team.
No, her campaign never said Obama was born in Kenya.

You know you're talking bullshit, and you're still doing it.

So they fired campaign manager for no reason. Riiight...
 
how did birth certificate qualification turn into "racism"?

It wasn't racism when Hillary's camp did it. Once others picked it up, everyone but Hillary turns into racist.

Still not once did Hillary clinton question President Obama's place of birth.

Donald TRump questioned Obama place of birth for 5 years- even after he saw his birth certificate AND even after Hawaii said he was born there.

If it wasn't because of race- why did Trump lie?

Right, her campaign did it, not her. Her hands are clean, although she most likely personally requested it to exploit the possibility.

Her campaign did it. She did it. Once caught, she fired "those responsible". Someone always takes a virtual or real bullet for Hillary. One for the team.
No, her campaign never said Obama was born in Kenya.

You know you're talking bullshit, and you're still doing it.

So they fired campaign manager for no reason. Riiight...
LOLOL

You know you appear insane, right?

From where did you get that nonsense?
 
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What is not a non-issue was his refusal to provide his grade transcript, particularly considering he appeared to have special treatment at Harvard.

And by 'special treatment' Spare means he graduated law school while being black.

Both Barack Obama and George Bush went to Harvard- Obama for law, Bush for his masters.

Guess what- neither decided to show you his transcripts.

Of course now one expected that Bush got special treatment in Harvard........the son of a wealthy family would never get special treatment.......

Actually, what 'special treatment' Spare means is that Obama was selected as the Editor of the Harvard Law Review because the chancellor was being pressured to apply Affirmative Action to the position. Obama was NOT the most qualified, but he was the blackest. In fact, his grades at Columbia would not have justified his admission to Harvard Law School had it not been for Affirmative Action.

Gonna hafta prove it brah.

No, as a matter of fact, I don't .... those packets are not available to the general public, and you will only find snippets of them on the Internet.

The only way to prove that I'm wrong is to pick up your phone. If you're too lazy to do that, then you can continue to be terminally ignorant.

It's your choice.
No, you don’t.

And absent proof your claim is worthless and devoid of merit.
 
You know you appear insane, right?

From where did you get that nonsense?

Politico

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign Monday of "shameful offensive fear-mongering" by circulating a photo as an attempted smear.

Plouffe said in a statement: “On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world," said Plouffe.

Chris Matthews confirms:


Morning Joe too:
 
You know you appear insane, right?

From where did you get that nonsense?

Politico

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign Monday of "shameful offensive fear-mongering" by circulating a photo as an attempted smear.

Plouffe said in a statement: “On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world," said Plouffe.

Chris Matthews confirms:


Morning Joe too:

Holyfuckingshit! :eusa_doh:

You said..... "Her campaign did it. She did it," in response to someone posting, "still not once did Hillary clinton question President Obama's place of birth."

..... And to prove you're not hallucinating claim she did, you post links to 3 sources .... none of which reveal anything about Hillary or anyone from her campaign saying Obama was not born in America. Instead, they claim Hillary and her campaign were suggesting Obama was Muslim, not Christian.

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What is not a non-issue was his refusal to provide his grade transcript, particularly considering he appeared to have special treatment at Harvard.

And by 'special treatment' Spare means he graduated law school while being black.

Both Barack Obama and George Bush went to Harvard- Obama for law, Bush for his masters.

Guess what- neither decided to show you his transcripts.

Of course now one expected that Bush got special treatment in Harvard........the son of a wealthy family would never get special treatment.......

Actually, what 'special treatment' Spare means is that Obama was selected as the Editor of the Harvard Law Review because the chancellor was being pressured to apply Affirmative Action to the position. Obama was NOT the most qualified, but he was the blackest. In fact, his grades at Columbia would not have justified his admission to Harvard Law School had it not been for Affirmative Action.

Gonna hafta prove it brah.

No, as a matter of fact, I don't .... those packets are not available to the general public, and you will only find snippets of them on the Internet.

The only way to prove that I'm wrong is to pick up your phone. If you're too lazy to do that, then you can continue to be terminally ignorant.

It's your choice.
No, you don’t.

And absent proof your claim is worthless and devoid of merit.
... which means, simply, that you are more interested in feeding your ego than learning something.

You're a lost cause --- believe as you wish ... just recognize that you're wrong.
 
And by 'special treatment' Spare means he graduated law school while being black.

Both Barack Obama and George Bush went to Harvard- Obama for law, Bush for his masters.

Guess what- neither decided to show you his transcripts.

Of course now one expected that Bush got special treatment in Harvard........the son of a wealthy family would never get special treatment.......

Actually, what 'special treatment' Spare means is that Obama was selected as the Editor of the Harvard Law Review because the chancellor was being pressured to apply Affirmative Action to the position. Obama was NOT the most qualified, but he was the blackest. In fact, his grades at Columbia would not have justified his admission to Harvard Law School had it not been for Affirmative Action.

Gonna hafta prove it brah.

No, as a matter of fact, I don't .... those packets are not available to the general public, and you will only find snippets of them on the Internet.

The only way to prove that I'm wrong is to pick up your phone. If you're too lazy to do that, then you can continue to be terminally ignorant.

It's your choice.
No, you don’t.

And absent proof your claim is worthless and devoid of merit.
... which means, simply, that you are more interested in feeding your ego than learning something.

You're a lost cause --- believe as you wish ... just recognize that you're wrong.
How does he recognize he's wrong when you have failed miserably to prove he's wrong?
 
Right, that's the article I saw which idiotically identifies "anonymous" folks as Hillary supporters and erroneously claims that was when birtherism began.

You really need to go take a remedial reading class. Seriously.

"That Hillary Clinton supporters circulated such an e-mail isn't in question, but the claim that that's the moment the birther theory "first emerged" simply isn't true. The likeliest point of origin we've been able to find was a post on conservative message board FreeRepublic.com dated 1 March 2008 (which, according to a report in The Telegraph, was at least a month before Clinton supporters got on the e-mail bandwagon)."

I'm done, you're too dumb to converse with.

smh
 
You know, it would do you well to actually read what I've already posted instead of constantly asking, because I've already provided this answer.

You keep saying that but I don't think it means what you think it does.

The campaign never considered, adopted or acted on anything remotely close to birtherism. Certainly not in any way, shape or form that is close to what Trump did.

You've failed. Give it up.

I never claimed the clinton campaign did any of those things.

Reading is fundamental. Well, not for you.
 

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