How Did YOU Suffer Under Obama?

[Dim Bulb]

This morning, I read an interesting article about the Obama years describing how he did a great job. I don't agree with everything on that list, and I won't post it here because that's not the point.

But in the past, here and elsewhere, I've seen people say the opposite. These comments usually say something like, "I'm glad that reign of terror is over" or "I got tired of suffering under Obama."

Which leads to the question: How did you suffer under the Obama presidency? What did Obama do (or not do) that directly impacted you negatively? This isn't about vague things like "he embarrassed the office" or "he's a socialist Muslim, that's why." Instead, can you explain anything specific that hurt you or your family/friends in some way?

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I'm mostly liberal. I will be respectful to those who disagree with me if they are respectful. I won't if you won't.

My successes or failures aren't the result of any politician. They are on me.

Totally agree.

 

[Rocko]

This morning, I read an interesting article about the Obama years describing how he did a great job. I don't agree with everything on that list, and I won't post it here because that's not the point.

But in the past, here and elsewhere, I've seen people say the opposite. These comments usually say something like, "I'm glad that reign of terror is over" or "I got tired of suffering under Obama."

Which leads to the question: How did you suffer under the Obama presidency? What did Obama do (or not do) that directly impacted you negatively? This isn't about vague things like "he embarrassed the office" or "he's a socialist Muslim, that's why." Instead, can you explain anything specific that hurt you or your family/friends in some way?

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I'm mostly liberal. I will be respectful to those who disagree with me if they are respectful. I won't if you won't.

I had to watch that son of a bitch spout his Marxist crap on tv every night.

 

[flacaltenn]

This morning, I read an interesting article about the Obama years describing how he did a great job. I don't agree with everything on that list, and I won't post it here because that's not the point.

But in the past, here and elsewhere, I've seen people say the opposite. These comments usually say something like, "I'm glad that reign of terror is over" or "I got tired of suffering under Obama."

Which leads to the question: How did you suffer under the Obama presidency? What did Obama do (or not do) that directly impacted you negatively? This isn't about vague things like "he embarrassed the office" or "he's a socialist Muslim, that's why." Instead, can you explain anything specific that hurt you or your family/friends in some way?

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I'm mostly liberal. I will be respectful to those who disagree with me if they are respectful. I won't if you won't.

I've been self-employed as a product design consultant for nearly 25 years. MOST of that time, my family and I took insurance from my Professional Group. A very respectable and LARGE technical society. O-CARE OUTLAWED all of those Professional Group plans. Except for politically connected orgs -- like Unions and the AARP that got EXEMPTIONS to continue. Meaning that self-employed accountants, engineers, doctors and veterinarians were THROWN into the pool.

If you like your plan -- You can KEEP YOUR PLAN?? Fucking Liar President.

I skirted that by just chucking the "subsidy" and went thru a Professional Broker in my town. With over 40 YEARS of experience in the field -- he got us an O-care qualified plan WITHOUT going thru the exchanges or filling out the mind-numbing, extremely PROBING HUGE O-Care applications. We got it with a handshake and a signature. MOST were not as lucky.. 1st year premium was 15% less than what we were paying but with HUGER deductibles. A move that less well-off can not afford to do. But the AVERAGE policy written under O-Care for the working poor has FATAL bankruptcy generating deductibles attached to it that would end their financial lives if they ever NEEDED substantial care..

By year two, the premium was 20% ABOVE what I had been paying and I changed plans. By year three, it was 50% ABOVE what I had been paying and there was only ONE PROVIDER LEFT.. THIS YEAR, there were 2 providers left. Only ONE serious one left and my BROKER with all that experience COULD NO LONGER HELP US.. Because neither of the 2 companies left were ALLOWING brokers to write policies for individuals and self employed. So we were at the mercy of the exchanges. BCBS had left every major town and city in Tennessee..

I TRIED to apply. Became LIVIDLY MAD at the probing financial/personal info the govt was asking for. Worse than filling the College FAFSA application by far. The NAVIGATORS are MORONS !!! They were probably selling hot dogs out of carts the year before. They were WRONG most of the time, would not commit to answering questions. Did NOT understand the BASIC TERMINOLOGY of insurance or how it works.

So I refused. Wife had to take over. SHE got furious and frustrated. We decided to cut our work load, stop serving so many clients and apply for a subsidy.. That's HOW EASY it is -- to survive a govt takeover of insurance. It's BUSTED. Totally ill-concieved. Doesn't HELP any of the working poor by subsidizing the PREMIUMS instead of the Giant Deductibles..

Every encounter with a Navigator was an ordeal. They got EVERYTHING WRONG. Wrote 3 new policies when we dropped our daughter off last year. Took us 3 months to straighten that out. NOT AN ADEQUATE SUBSTITUTE for my broker with 30 years of experience.

It's Crap. It's CORRUPT, and it's BROKEN. LARGELY -- because the Dems attempted to hide and "socialize" the costs of their "Medicare expansions" in the pools. THAT was the major INFLATIONARY trigger. Because the folks that got DUMPED into pools were now the ones PAYING for the fucking "Medicaid Expansion".. It was as DEVIOUS and CYNICAL as Jonathan Gruber told us all it would be.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

A good example of what I call excessive regulations that I specifically recall was when his epa banned a specific battery technology in construction equipment. We had thousands of dollars wrapped up in that equipment that we had been using and then suddenly the batteries were banned in the United States. Now replacements weren't an option so new equipment had to be purchased and warrantee work had to be done in CHINA rather than the US which took FOREVER

No subsidies offered?

None that I was aware of. And if there were it would likely only apply to the big box companies.
So many times smaller companies fall through the cracks with this type of bullshit.
I had a similar situation with German water valves that were burried inside walls. Had to tear them out to replace them. That was a major time sink

Were these federal regulations that affected you or state/county level?

Federal. They were banned from the entire US

Not cool to cut the chord that fast. Should have done a better roll out. Sorry you got hit by that

It may have been known it was coming but I don't keep up with a lot of trade news.
I'm not positive but I think it had something to do with new Mercury standards

 

[Siete]

I didnt suffer in the least when Obama was POTUS ... look at the dow and feel my pain.


Dow Jones - 10 Year Daily Chart

 

[Slade3200]

This morning, I read an interesting article about the Obama years describing how he did a great job. I don't agree with everything on that list, and I won't post it here because that's not the point.

But in the past, here and elsewhere, I've seen people say the opposite. These comments usually say something like, "I'm glad that reign of terror is over" or "I got tired of suffering under Obama."

Which leads to the question: How did you suffer under the Obama presidency? What did Obama do (or not do) that directly impacted you negatively? This isn't about vague things like "he embarrassed the office" or "he's a socialist Muslim, that's why." Instead, can you explain anything specific that hurt you or your family/friends in some way?

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I'm mostly liberal. I will be respectful to those who disagree with me if they are respectful. I won't if you won't.

I've been self-employed as a product design consultant for nearly 25 years. MOST of that time, my family and I took insurance from my Professional Group. A very respectable and LARGE technical society. O-CARE OUTLAWED all of those Professional Group plans. Except for politically connected orgs -- like Unions and the AARP that got EXEMPTIONS to continue. Meaning that self-employed accountants, engineers, doctors and veterinarians were THROWN into the pool.

If you like your plan -- You can KEEP YOUR PLAN?? Fucking Liar President.

I skirted that by just chucking the "subsidy" and went thru a Professional Broker in my town. With over 40 YEARS of experience in the field -- he got us an O-care qualified plan WITHOUT going thru the exchanges or filling out the mind-numbing, extremely PROBING HUGE O-Care applications. We got it with a handshake and a signature. MOST were not as lucky.. 1st year premium was 15% less than what we were paying but with HUGER deductibles. A move that less well-off can not afford to do. But the AVERAGE policy written under O-Care for the working poor has FATAL bankruptcy generating deductibles attached to it that would end their financial lives if they ever NEEDED substantial care..

By year two, the premium was 20% ABOVE what I had been paying and I changed plans. By year three, it was 50% ABOVE what I had been paying and there was only ONE PROVIDER LEFT.. THIS YEAR, there were 2 providers left. Only ONE serious one left and my BROKER with all that experience COULD NO LONGER HELP US.. Because neither of the 2 companies left were ALLOWING brokers to write policies for individuals and self employed. So we were at the mercy of the exchanges. BCBS had left every major town and city in Tennessee..

I TRIED to apply. Became LIVIDLY MAD at the probing financial/personal info the govt was asking for. Worse than filling the College FAFSA application by far. The NAVIGATORS are MORONS !!! They were probably selling hot dogs out of carts the year before. They were WRONG most of the time, would not commit to answering questions. Did NOT understand the BASIC TERMINOLOGY of insurance or how it works.

So I refused. Wife had to take over. SHE got furious and frustrated. We decided to cut our work load, stop serving so many clients and apply for a subsidy.. That's HOW EASY it is -- to survive a govt takeover of insurance. It's BUSTED. Totally ill-concieved. Doesn't HELP any of the working poor by subsidizing the PREMIUMS instead of the Giant Deductibles..

Every encounter with a Navigator was an ordeal. They got EVERYTHING WRONG. Wrote 3 new policies when we dropped our daughter off last year. Took us 3 months to straighten that out. NOT AN ADEQUATE SUBSTITUTE for my broker with 30 years of experience.

It's Crap. It's CORRUPT, and it's BROKEN. LARGELY -- because the Dems attempted to hide and "socialize" the costs of their "Medicare expansions" in the pools. THAT was the major INFLATIONARY trigger. Because the folks that got DUMPED into pools were now the ones PAYING for the fucking "Medicaid Expansion".. It was as DEVIOUS and CYNICAL as Jonathan Gruber told us all it would be.

What kind of plan was it exactly and how did the ACA outlaw it? Im not challenging your assertion i'm just questioning so I can understand what you are talking about.

 

[IsaacNewton]

I had full time work, my 401K grew like a wild corn field, Bin Laden was killed and swims with the fishes, the world respected us, our allies trusted us, the world loved our president.

Oh it was horrible.

 

[Siete]

I had full time work, my 401K grew like a wild corn field, Bin Laden was killed and swims with the fishes, the world respected us, our allies trusted us, the world loved our president.

Oh it was horrible.

You would have to be a special kind of stupid to have suffered under Obama.

 

[flacaltenn]

This morning, I read an interesting article about the Obama years describing how he did a great job. I don't agree with everything on that list, and I won't post it here because that's not the point.

But in the past, here and elsewhere, I've seen people say the opposite. These comments usually say something like, "I'm glad that reign of terror is over" or "I got tired of suffering under Obama."

Which leads to the question: How did you suffer under the Obama presidency? What did Obama do (or not do) that directly impacted you negatively? This isn't about vague things like "he embarrassed the office" or "he's a socialist Muslim, that's why." Instead, can you explain anything specific that hurt you or your family/friends in some way?

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I'm mostly liberal. I will be respectful to those who disagree with me if they are respectful. I won't if you won't.

I've been self-employed as a product design consultant for nearly 25 years. MOST of that time, my family and I took insurance from my Professional Group. A very respectable and LARGE technical society. O-CARE OUTLAWED all of those Professional Group plans. Except for politically connected orgs -- like Unions and the AARP that got EXEMPTIONS to continue. Meaning that self-employed accountants, engineers, doctors and veterinarians were THROWN into the pool.

If you like your plan -- You can KEEP YOUR PLAN?? Fucking Liar President.

I skirted that by just chucking the "subsidy" and went thru a Professional Broker in my town. With over 40 YEARS of experience in the field -- he got us an O-care qualified plan WITHOUT going thru the exchanges or filling out the mind-numbing, extremely PROBING HUGE O-Care applications. We got it with a handshake and a signature. MOST were not as lucky.. 1st year premium was 15% less than what we were paying but with HUGER deductibles. A move that less well-off can not afford to do. But the AVERAGE policy written under O-Care for the working poor has FATAL bankruptcy generating deductibles attached to it that would end their financial lives if they ever NEEDED substantial care..

By year two, the premium was 20% ABOVE what I had been paying and I changed plans. By year three, it was 50% ABOVE what I had been paying and there was only ONE PROVIDER LEFT.. THIS YEAR, there were 2 providers left. Only ONE serious one left and my BROKER with all that experience COULD NO LONGER HELP US.. Because neither of the 2 companies left were ALLOWING brokers to write policies for individuals and self employed. So we were at the mercy of the exchanges. BCBS had left every major town and city in Tennessee..

I TRIED to apply. Became LIVIDLY MAD at the probing financial/personal info the govt was asking for. Worse than filling the College FAFSA application by far. The NAVIGATORS are MORONS !!! They were probably selling hot dogs out of carts the year before. They were WRONG most of the time, would not commit to answering questions. Did NOT understand the BASIC TERMINOLOGY of insurance or how it works.

So I refused. Wife had to take over. SHE got furious and frustrated. We decided to cut our work load, stop serving so many clients and apply for a subsidy.. That's HOW EASY it is -- to survive a govt takeover of insurance. It's BUSTED. Totally ill-concieved. Doesn't HELP any of the working poor by subsidizing the PREMIUMS instead of the Giant Deductibles..

Every encounter with a Navigator was an ordeal. They got EVERYTHING WRONG. Wrote 3 new policies when we dropped our daughter off last year. Took us 3 months to straighten that out. NOT AN ADEQUATE SUBSTITUTE for my broker with 30 years of experience.

It's Crap. It's CORRUPT, and it's BROKEN. LARGELY -- because the Dems attempted to hide and "socialize" the costs of their "Medicare expansions" in the pools. THAT was the major INFLATIONARY trigger. Because the folks that got DUMPED into pools were now the ones PAYING for the fucking "Medicaid Expansion".. It was as DEVIOUS and CYNICAL as Jonathan Gruber told us all it would be.

What kind of plan was it exactly and how did the ACA outlaw it? Im not challenging your assertion i'm just questioning so I can understand what you are talking about.

All Professional Group plans were outlawed. Biggest hit was Restaurant Owners who had the NRAssoc, Engineers thru ASME and IEEE and other Groups and Veterninarians who had excellent plans and management thru their AVMAssoc. MEANWHILE -- because AARP LOBBIED FOR O-Care -- THEY got a waiver to keep grouping THEIR MEMBERS into plans.. It's corrupt-- from the start..

The Tech group I belonged to (actual several groups to choose from) offered MSA compliant and other choices that got my family thru 30 years of rising costs. All GONE while Pelosi et al were celebrating and Obama was LYING his ass off to the public..

 

[Votto]

This morning, I read an interesting article about the Obama years describing how he did a great job. I don't agree with everything on that list, and I won't post it here because that's not the point.

But in the past, here and elsewhere, I've seen people say the opposite. These comments usually say something like, "I'm glad that reign of terror is over" or "I got tired of suffering under Obama."

Which leads to the question: How did you suffer under the Obama presidency? What did Obama do (or not do) that directly impacted you negatively? This isn't about vague things like "he embarrassed the office" or "he's a socialist Muslim, that's why." Instead, can you explain anything specific that hurt you or your family/friends in some way?

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I'm mostly liberal. I will be respectful to those who disagree with me if they are respectful. I won't if you won't.

Obama promised America that he would not raise taxes on anyone EXCEPT the top 1%. Mind you, this was at a time of high economic uncertainty and carnage. Then he sold his health care plan as anything but a tax that would lower our premiums and not effect our coverage or the doctor we wish to see.

In reality, it had to become a tax just to be somewhat Constitutional once SCOTUS had reviewed it, which made it the largest tax on the Middle Class in US history. It also caused people to lose the coverage they could afford, which negatively effected their health care, and many lost their doctors. Lives are on the line here as is the economic stability of families around the country. How has this negatively impacted American? We will probably never know completely.

Obama also defied federal law by passing executive orders to allow illegals into the country, and went out of his way to bring Syrian immigrants to the US by flying them to the US while Europe is up in flames because of such immigrants.

Of course, there was also the IRS purge of conservatives around the country with virtually no accountability other than a simple, "I'm sorry". One can only imagine the purge once they get complete control of health care. Maybe they will be treated like veterans are today in Arizona who are too expensive to treat. You just put them on secret death lists.

 

[Mr Natural]

You would have to be a special kind of stupid to have suffered under Obama

But they are a special kind of stupid

 

[Tax Man]

I did not have any problems with the Obama presidency. My business grew and so did profits. Life WAS grand and then rethuglians came to power.

 

[BlackFlag]

The Democrats controlled a near super-majority control of Congress Bush's last 2 years in office, when the Democrats even claim the economy started to go south. Duh - they were in controlling spending.

You idiot rubes have been in charge of spending for 18 out of the last 22 years. Congrats on how things have worked out for you. LOL!

Your post is intentionally dishonest, typical of the left.

Prove it wrong the, fool.

I don't play stupid liberal games. Your post is dishonest, you know its dishonest, everyone on the forum knows its dishonest, and that's a reflection on you.

The GOP has been in control of the House for 18 of the last 22 years. The House has the power of the purse. FACT. Now instead of lying and deflecting, care to respond?

 

[Slade3200]

This morning, I read an interesting article about the Obama years describing how he did a great job. I don't agree with everything on that list, and I won't post it here because that's not the point.

But in the past, here and elsewhere, I've seen people say the opposite. These comments usually say something like, "I'm glad that reign of terror is over" or "I got tired of suffering under Obama."

Which leads to the question: How did you suffer under the Obama presidency? What did Obama do (or not do) that directly impacted you negatively? This isn't about vague things like "he embarrassed the office" or "he's a socialist Muslim, that's why." Instead, can you explain anything specific that hurt you or your family/friends in some way?

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I'm mostly liberal. I will be respectful to those who disagree with me if they are respectful. I won't if you won't.

I've been self-employed as a product design consultant for nearly 25 years. MOST of that time, my family and I took insurance from my Professional Group. A very respectable and LARGE technical society. O-CARE OUTLAWED all of those Professional Group plans. Except for politically connected orgs -- like Unions and the AARP that got EXEMPTIONS to continue. Meaning that self-employed accountants, engineers, doctors and veterinarians were THROWN into the pool.

If you like your plan -- You can KEEP YOUR PLAN?? Fucking Liar President.

I skirted that by just chucking the "subsidy" and went thru a Professional Broker in my town. With over 40 YEARS of experience in the field -- he got us an O-care qualified plan WITHOUT going thru the exchanges or filling out the mind-numbing, extremely PROBING HUGE O-Care applications. We got it with a handshake and a signature. MOST were not as lucky.. 1st year premium was 15% less than what we were paying but with HUGER deductibles. A move that less well-off can not afford to do. But the AVERAGE policy written under O-Care for the working poor has FATAL bankruptcy generating deductibles attached to it that would end their financial lives if they ever NEEDED substantial care..

By year two, the premium was 20% ABOVE what I had been paying and I changed plans. By year three, it was 50% ABOVE what I had been paying and there was only ONE PROVIDER LEFT.. THIS YEAR, there were 2 providers left. Only ONE serious one left and my BROKER with all that experience COULD NO LONGER HELP US.. Because neither of the 2 companies left were ALLOWING brokers to write policies for individuals and self employed. So we were at the mercy of the exchanges. BCBS had left every major town and city in Tennessee..

I TRIED to apply. Became LIVIDLY MAD at the probing financial/personal info the govt was asking for. Worse than filling the College FAFSA application by far. The NAVIGATORS are MORONS !!! They were probably selling hot dogs out of carts the year before. They were WRONG most of the time, would not commit to answering questions. Did NOT understand the BASIC TERMINOLOGY of insurance or how it works.

So I refused. Wife had to take over. SHE got furious and frustrated. We decided to cut our work load, stop serving so many clients and apply for a subsidy.. That's HOW EASY it is -- to survive a govt takeover of insurance. It's BUSTED. Totally ill-concieved. Doesn't HELP any of the working poor by subsidizing the PREMIUMS instead of the Giant Deductibles..

Every encounter with a Navigator was an ordeal. They got EVERYTHING WRONG. Wrote 3 new policies when we dropped our daughter off last year. Took us 3 months to straighten that out. NOT AN ADEQUATE SUBSTITUTE for my broker with 30 years of experience.

It's Crap. It's CORRUPT, and it's BROKEN. LARGELY -- because the Dems attempted to hide and "socialize" the costs of their "Medicare expansions" in the pools. THAT was the major INFLATIONARY trigger. Because the folks that got DUMPED into pools were now the ones PAYING for the fucking "Medicaid Expansion".. It was as DEVIOUS and CYNICAL as Jonathan Gruber told us all it would be.

What kind of plan was it exactly and how did the ACA outlaw it? Im not challenging your assertion i'm just questioning so I can understand what you are talking about.

All Professional Group plans were outlawed. Biggest hit was Restaurant Owners who had the NRAssoc, Engineers thru ASME and IEEE and other Groups and Veterninarians who had excellent plans and management thru their AVMAssoc. MEANWHILE -- because AARP LOBBIED FOR O-Care -- THEY got a waiver to keep grouping THEIR MEMBERS into plans.. It's corrupt-- from the start..

The Tech group I belonged to (actual several groups to choose from) offered MSA compliant and other choices that got my family thru 30 years of rising costs. All GONE while Pelosi et al were celebrating and Obama was LYING his ass off to the public..

That sounds really shitty, i'm sorry you went through that. I'm trying to find information about it but can't find it. It appears that the ASME is still offering health plans
ASME Insurance

Can you provide a link with info about what you're talking about?

 

[easyt65]

The GOP has been in control of the House for 18 of the last 22 years. The House has the power of the purse. FACT. Now instead of lying and deflecting, care to respond?

The DNC took over a near super majoity control of Congress the last 2 years of Bush through the 1st 2 years of Obama. Educate yourself then come back to the adult table....

 

[flacaltenn]

This morning, I read an interesting article about the Obama years describing how he did a great job. I don't agree with everything on that list, and I won't post it here because that's not the point.

But in the past, here and elsewhere, I've seen people say the opposite. These comments usually say something like, "I'm glad that reign of terror is over" or "I got tired of suffering under Obama."

Which leads to the question: How did you suffer under the Obama presidency? What did Obama do (or not do) that directly impacted you negatively? This isn't about vague things like "he embarrassed the office" or "he's a socialist Muslim, that's why." Instead, can you explain anything specific that hurt you or your family/friends in some way?

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I'm mostly liberal. I will be respectful to those who disagree with me if they are respectful. I won't if you won't.

I've been self-employed as a product design consultant for nearly 25 years. MOST of that time, my family and I took insurance from my Professional Group. A very respectable and LARGE technical society. O-CARE OUTLAWED all of those Professional Group plans. Except for politically connected orgs -- like Unions and the AARP that got EXEMPTIONS to continue. Meaning that self-employed accountants, engineers, doctors and veterinarians were THROWN into the pool.

If you like your plan -- You can KEEP YOUR PLAN?? Fucking Liar President.

I skirted that by just chucking the "subsidy" and went thru a Professional Broker in my town. With over 40 YEARS of experience in the field -- he got us an O-care qualified plan WITHOUT going thru the exchanges or filling out the mind-numbing, extremely PROBING HUGE O-Care applications. We got it with a handshake and a signature. MOST were not as lucky.. 1st year premium was 15% less than what we were paying but with HUGER deductibles. A move that less well-off can not afford to do. But the AVERAGE policy written under O-Care for the working poor has FATAL bankruptcy generating deductibles attached to it that would end their financial lives if they ever NEEDED substantial care..

By year two, the premium was 20% ABOVE what I had been paying and I changed plans. By year three, it was 50% ABOVE what I had been paying and there was only ONE PROVIDER LEFT.. THIS YEAR, there were 2 providers left. Only ONE serious one left and my BROKER with all that experience COULD NO LONGER HELP US.. Because neither of the 2 companies left were ALLOWING brokers to write policies for individuals and self employed. So we were at the mercy of the exchanges. BCBS had left every major town and city in Tennessee..

I TRIED to apply. Became LIVIDLY MAD at the probing financial/personal info the govt was asking for. Worse than filling the College FAFSA application by far. The NAVIGATORS are MORONS !!! They were probably selling hot dogs out of carts the year before. They were WRONG most of the time, would not commit to answering questions. Did NOT understand the BASIC TERMINOLOGY of insurance or how it works.

So I refused. Wife had to take over. SHE got furious and frustrated. We decided to cut our work load, stop serving so many clients and apply for a subsidy.. That's HOW EASY it is -- to survive a govt takeover of insurance. It's BUSTED. Totally ill-concieved. Doesn't HELP any of the working poor by subsidizing the PREMIUMS instead of the Giant Deductibles..

Every encounter with a Navigator was an ordeal. They got EVERYTHING WRONG. Wrote 3 new policies when we dropped our daughter off last year. Took us 3 months to straighten that out. NOT AN ADEQUATE SUBSTITUTE for my broker with 30 years of experience.

It's Crap. It's CORRUPT, and it's BROKEN. LARGELY -- because the Dems attempted to hide and "socialize" the costs of their "Medicare expansions" in the pools. THAT was the major INFLATIONARY trigger. Because the folks that got DUMPED into pools were now the ones PAYING for the fucking "Medicaid Expansion".. It was as DEVIOUS and CYNICAL as Jonathan Gruber told us all it would be.

What kind of plan was it exactly and how did the ACA outlaw it? Im not challenging your assertion i'm just questioning so I can understand what you are talking about.

All Professional Group plans were outlawed. Biggest hit was Restaurant Owners who had the NRAssoc, Engineers thru ASME and IEEE and other Groups and Veterninarians who had excellent plans and management thru their AVMAssoc. MEANWHILE -- because AARP LOBBIED FOR O-Care -- THEY got a waiver to keep grouping THEIR MEMBERS into plans.. It's corrupt-- from the start..

The Tech group I belonged to (actual several groups to choose from) offered MSA compliant and other choices that got my family thru 30 years of rising costs. All GONE while Pelosi et al were celebrating and Obama was LYING his ass off to the public..

That sounds really shitty, i'm sorry you went through that. I'm trying to find information about it but can't find it. It appears that the ASME is still offering health plans
ASME Insurance

Can you provide a link with info about what you're talking about?

This morning, I read an interesting article about the Obama years describing how he did a great job. I don't agree with everything on that list, and I won't post it here because that's not the point.

But in the past, here and elsewhere, I've seen people say the opposite. These comments usually say something like, "I'm glad that reign of terror is over" or "I got tired of suffering under Obama."

Which leads to the question: How did you suffer under the Obama presidency? What did Obama do (or not do) that directly impacted you negatively? This isn't about vague things like "he embarrassed the office" or "he's a socialist Muslim, that's why." Instead, can you explain anything specific that hurt you or your family/friends in some way?

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I'm mostly liberal. I will be respectful to those who disagree with me if they are respectful. I won't if you won't.

I've been self-employed as a product design consultant for nearly 25 years. MOST of that time, my family and I took insurance from my Professional Group. A very respectable and LARGE technical society. O-CARE OUTLAWED all of those Professional Group plans. Except for politically connected orgs -- like Unions and the AARP that got EXEMPTIONS to continue. Meaning that self-employed accountants, engineers, doctors and veterinarians were THROWN into the pool.

If you like your plan -- You can KEEP YOUR PLAN?? Fucking Liar President.

I skirted that by just chucking the "subsidy" and went thru a Professional Broker in my town. With over 40 YEARS of experience in the field -- he got us an O-care qualified plan WITHOUT going thru the exchanges or filling out the mind-numbing, extremely PROBING HUGE O-Care applications. We got it with a handshake and a signature. MOST were not as lucky.. 1st year premium was 15% less than what we were paying but with HUGER deductibles. A move that less well-off can not afford to do. But the AVERAGE policy written under O-Care for the working poor has FATAL bankruptcy generating deductibles attached to it that would end their financial lives if they ever NEEDED substantial care..

By year two, the premium was 20% ABOVE what I had been paying and I changed plans. By year three, it was 50% ABOVE what I had been paying and there was only ONE PROVIDER LEFT.. THIS YEAR, there were 2 providers left. Only ONE serious one left and my BROKER with all that experience COULD NO LONGER HELP US.. Because neither of the 2 companies left were ALLOWING brokers to write policies for individuals and self employed. So we were at the mercy of the exchanges. BCBS had left every major town and city in Tennessee..

I TRIED to apply. Became LIVIDLY MAD at the probing financial/personal info the govt was asking for. Worse than filling the College FAFSA application by far. The NAVIGATORS are MORONS !!! They were probably selling hot dogs out of carts the year before. They were WRONG most of the time, would not commit to answering questions. Did NOT understand the BASIC TERMINOLOGY of insurance or how it works.

So I refused. Wife had to take over. SHE got furious and frustrated. We decided to cut our work load, stop serving so many clients and apply for a subsidy.. That's HOW EASY it is -- to survive a govt takeover of insurance. It's BUSTED. Totally ill-concieved. Doesn't HELP any of the working poor by subsidizing the PREMIUMS instead of the Giant Deductibles..

Every encounter with a Navigator was an ordeal. They got EVERYTHING WRONG. Wrote 3 new policies when we dropped our daughter off last year. Took us 3 months to straighten that out. NOT AN ADEQUATE SUBSTITUTE for my broker with 30 years of experience.

It's Crap. It's CORRUPT, and it's BROKEN. LARGELY -- because the Dems attempted to hide and "socialize" the costs of their "Medicare expansions" in the pools. THAT was the major INFLATIONARY trigger. Because the folks that got DUMPED into pools were now the ones PAYING for the fucking "Medicaid Expansion".. It was as DEVIOUS and CYNICAL as Jonathan Gruber told us all it would be.

What kind of plan was it exactly and how did the ACA outlaw it? Im not challenging your assertion i'm just questioning so I can understand what you are talking about.

All Professional Group plans were outlawed. Biggest hit was Restaurant Owners who had the NRAssoc, Engineers thru ASME and IEEE and other Groups and Veterninarians who had excellent plans and management thru their AVMAssoc. MEANWHILE -- because AARP LOBBIED FOR O-Care -- THEY got a waiver to keep grouping THEIR MEMBERS into plans.. It's corrupt-- from the start..

The Tech group I belonged to (actual several groups to choose from) offered MSA compliant and other choices that got my family thru 30 years of rising costs. All GONE while Pelosi et al were celebrating and Obama was LYING his ass off to the public..

That sounds really shitty, i'm sorry you went through that. I'm trying to find information about it but can't find it. It appears that the ASME is still offering health plans
ASME Insurance

Can you provide a link with info about what you're talking about?

Since you don't read YOUR OWN links -- like the ASME one -- I don't care to deal with you. You're just jacking around. Go find a HEALTH INSURANCE plan on that link you provided. They ENDED their Group Health plan circa 2013.. Spend more time discovering truth and less time badgering people that have been destroyed by lies about ObamaCare...

 

[Slade3200]

This morning, I read an interesting article about the Obama years describing how he did a great job. I don't agree with everything on that list, and I won't post it here because that's not the point.

But in the past, here and elsewhere, I've seen people say the opposite. These comments usually say something like, "I'm glad that reign of terror is over" or "I got tired of suffering under Obama."

Which leads to the question: How did you suffer under the Obama presidency? What did Obama do (or not do) that directly impacted you negatively? This isn't about vague things like "he embarrassed the office" or "he's a socialist Muslim, that's why." Instead, can you explain anything specific that hurt you or your family/friends in some way?

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I'm mostly liberal. I will be respectful to those who disagree with me if they are respectful. I won't if you won't.

I've been self-employed as a product design consultant for nearly 25 years. MOST of that time, my family and I took insurance from my Professional Group. A very respectable and LARGE technical society. O-CARE OUTLAWED all of those Professional Group plans. Except for politically connected orgs -- like Unions and the AARP that got EXEMPTIONS to continue. Meaning that self-employed accountants, engineers, doctors and veterinarians were THROWN into the pool.

If you like your plan -- You can KEEP YOUR PLAN?? Fucking Liar President.

I skirted that by just chucking the "subsidy" and went thru a Professional Broker in my town. With over 40 YEARS of experience in the field -- he got us an O-care qualified plan WITHOUT going thru the exchanges or filling out the mind-numbing, extremely PROBING HUGE O-Care applications. We got it with a handshake and a signature. MOST were not as lucky.. 1st year premium was 15% less than what we were paying but with HUGER deductibles. A move that less well-off can not afford to do. But the AVERAGE policy written under O-Care for the working poor has FATAL bankruptcy generating deductibles attached to it that would end their financial lives if they ever NEEDED substantial care..

By year two, the premium was 20% ABOVE what I had been paying and I changed plans. By year three, it was 50% ABOVE what I had been paying and there was only ONE PROVIDER LEFT.. THIS YEAR, there were 2 providers left. Only ONE serious one left and my BROKER with all that experience COULD NO LONGER HELP US.. Because neither of the 2 companies left were ALLOWING brokers to write policies for individuals and self employed. So we were at the mercy of the exchanges. BCBS had left every major town and city in Tennessee..

I TRIED to apply. Became LIVIDLY MAD at the probing financial/personal info the govt was asking for. Worse than filling the College FAFSA application by far. The NAVIGATORS are MORONS !!! They were probably selling hot dogs out of carts the year before. They were WRONG most of the time, would not commit to answering questions. Did NOT understand the BASIC TERMINOLOGY of insurance or how it works.

So I refused. Wife had to take over. SHE got furious and frustrated. We decided to cut our work load, stop serving so many clients and apply for a subsidy.. That's HOW EASY it is -- to survive a govt takeover of insurance. It's BUSTED. Totally ill-concieved. Doesn't HELP any of the working poor by subsidizing the PREMIUMS instead of the Giant Deductibles..

Every encounter with a Navigator was an ordeal. They got EVERYTHING WRONG. Wrote 3 new policies when we dropped our daughter off last year. Took us 3 months to straighten that out. NOT AN ADEQUATE SUBSTITUTE for my broker with 30 years of experience.

It's Crap. It's CORRUPT, and it's BROKEN. LARGELY -- because the Dems attempted to hide and "socialize" the costs of their "Medicare expansions" in the pools. THAT was the major INFLATIONARY trigger. Because the folks that got DUMPED into pools were now the ones PAYING for the fucking "Medicaid Expansion".. It was as DEVIOUS and CYNICAL as Jonathan Gruber told us all it would be.

What kind of plan was it exactly and how did the ACA outlaw it? Im not challenging your assertion i'm just questioning so I can understand what you are talking about.

All Professional Group plans were outlawed. Biggest hit was Restaurant Owners who had the NRAssoc, Engineers thru ASME and IEEE and other Groups and Veterninarians who had excellent plans and management thru their AVMAssoc. MEANWHILE -- because AARP LOBBIED FOR O-Care -- THEY got a waiver to keep grouping THEIR MEMBERS into plans.. It's corrupt-- from the start..

The Tech group I belonged to (actual several groups to choose from) offered MSA compliant and other choices that got my family thru 30 years of rising costs. All GONE while Pelosi et al were celebrating and Obama was LYING his ass off to the public..

That sounds really shitty, i'm sorry you went through that. I'm trying to find information about it but can't find it. It appears that the ASME is still offering health plans
ASME Insurance

Can you provide a link with info about what you're talking about?

This morning, I read an interesting article about the Obama years describing how he did a great job. I don't agree with everything on that list, and I won't post it here because that's not the point.

But in the past, here and elsewhere, I've seen people say the opposite. These comments usually say something like, "I'm glad that reign of terror is over" or "I got tired of suffering under Obama."

Which leads to the question: How did you suffer under the Obama presidency? What did Obama do (or not do) that directly impacted you negatively? This isn't about vague things like "he embarrassed the office" or "he's a socialist Muslim, that's why." Instead, can you explain anything specific that hurt you or your family/friends in some way?

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I'm mostly liberal. I will be respectful to those who disagree with me if they are respectful. I won't if you won't.

I've been self-employed as a product design consultant for nearly 25 years. MOST of that time, my family and I took insurance from my Professional Group. A very respectable and LARGE technical society. O-CARE OUTLAWED all of those Professional Group plans. Except for politically connected orgs -- like Unions and the AARP that got EXEMPTIONS to continue. Meaning that self-employed accountants, engineers, doctors and veterinarians were THROWN into the pool.

If you like your plan -- You can KEEP YOUR PLAN?? Fucking Liar President.

I skirted that by just chucking the "subsidy" and went thru a Professional Broker in my town. With over 40 YEARS of experience in the field -- he got us an O-care qualified plan WITHOUT going thru the exchanges or filling out the mind-numbing, extremely PROBING HUGE O-Care applications. We got it with a handshake and a signature. MOST were not as lucky.. 1st year premium was 15% less than what we were paying but with HUGER deductibles. A move that less well-off can not afford to do. But the AVERAGE policy written under O-Care for the working poor has FATAL bankruptcy generating deductibles attached to it that would end their financial lives if they ever NEEDED substantial care..

By year two, the premium was 20% ABOVE what I had been paying and I changed plans. By year three, it was 50% ABOVE what I had been paying and there was only ONE PROVIDER LEFT.. THIS YEAR, there were 2 providers left. Only ONE serious one left and my BROKER with all that experience COULD NO LONGER HELP US.. Because neither of the 2 companies left were ALLOWING brokers to write policies for individuals and self employed. So we were at the mercy of the exchanges. BCBS had left every major town and city in Tennessee..

I TRIED to apply. Became LIVIDLY MAD at the probing financial/personal info the govt was asking for. Worse than filling the College FAFSA application by far. The NAVIGATORS are MORONS !!! They were probably selling hot dogs out of carts the year before. They were WRONG most of the time, would not commit to answering questions. Did NOT understand the BASIC TERMINOLOGY of insurance or how it works.

So I refused. Wife had to take over. SHE got furious and frustrated. We decided to cut our work load, stop serving so many clients and apply for a subsidy.. That's HOW EASY it is -- to survive a govt takeover of insurance. It's BUSTED. Totally ill-concieved. Doesn't HELP any of the working poor by subsidizing the PREMIUMS instead of the Giant Deductibles..

Every encounter with a Navigator was an ordeal. They got EVERYTHING WRONG. Wrote 3 new policies when we dropped our daughter off last year. Took us 3 months to straighten that out. NOT AN ADEQUATE SUBSTITUTE for my broker with 30 years of experience.

It's Crap. It's CORRUPT, and it's BROKEN. LARGELY -- because the Dems attempted to hide and "socialize" the costs of their "Medicare expansions" in the pools. THAT was the major INFLATIONARY trigger. Because the folks that got DUMPED into pools were now the ones PAYING for the fucking "Medicaid Expansion".. It was as DEVIOUS and CYNICAL as Jonathan Gruber told us all it would be.

What kind of plan was it exactly and how did the ACA outlaw it? Im not challenging your assertion i'm just questioning so I can understand what you are talking about.

All Professional Group plans were outlawed. Biggest hit was Restaurant Owners who had the NRAssoc, Engineers thru ASME and IEEE and other Groups and Veterninarians who had excellent plans and management thru their AVMAssoc. MEANWHILE -- because AARP LOBBIED FOR O-Care -- THEY got a waiver to keep grouping THEIR MEMBERS into plans.. It's corrupt-- from the start..

The Tech group I belonged to (actual several groups to choose from) offered MSA compliant and other choices that got my family thru 30 years of rising costs. All GONE while Pelosi et al were celebrating and Obama was LYING his ass off to the public..

That sounds really shitty, i'm sorry you went through that. I'm trying to find information about it but can't find it. It appears that the ASME is still offering health plans
ASME Insurance

Can you provide a link with info about what you're talking about?

Since you don't read YOUR OWN links -- like the ASME one -- I don't care to deal with you. You're just jacking around. Go find a HEALTH INSURANCE plan on that link you provided. They ENDED their Group Health plan circa 2013.. Spend more time discovering truth and less time badgering people that have been destroyed by lies about ObamaCare...

I'm not badgering, I'm looking for information

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Obama promised America that he would not raise taxes on anyone EXCEPT the top 1%. Mind you, this was at a time of high economic uncertainty and carnage.

That was his first lie. The first thing he did after invading the White House is institute a national sin tax. Most tobacco users are lower to middle-class people.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I was able to get healthcare.

And then, my retirement account lost a third it's value. But then Obama became president and eventually it's full value came back.

You should be loving Trump then because stocks are skyrocketing.

The Dow went up 12,000 points under Obama and the GOP hated it. 150% growth in his 8 years was "too slow."

It should be noted that, while you're absolutely right about the Dow under Obama, many of those gains never reached the average worker. Although that blame lies with greedy execs, not any politician.

Those greedy execs realized the fix was in. Under DumBama, the feds dumped trillions into the stock market. It was all fake. It didn't reflect our economy and only made the rich even richer. There is nothing greedy about taking advantage of a fixed game.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Slow growth made it impossible to expand my business. We remained relatively stagnant for most of his term. Granted it was brought on through no fault of his but the recovery at a snails pace was all him.

Interesting point. Can you explain how the slow recovery was his fault? I'm not challenging you here. I just don't see how and want to learn your perspective.

Quite simple really. DumBama was the most anti-business President in our lifetime. He attacked business after business and closed some of them down. Add Commie Care into the mix and businesses were uncertain of their future. Businesses only like to invest and hire when the business climate is promising.