How do we Know Human are Causing Climate Change?

[ding]

I'd say, since it is Todd and me challenging you, that it's you who can't articulate what you're actually trying to say. See, there is power in the cables that run to the batteries and then out of the batteries. You can't seem to comprehend that is putting heat back into the atmosphere, waste heat or fking whatever you want to call it. First off, it never existed until the panels were installed, so it isn't existing energy.

I articulated it just fine. It's beyond your ability to comprehend what incremental means in the context of solar replacing fossil fuels. Don't feel bad.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's beyond your ability to understand.

I still understand enough to point out your errors.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

whatever silly losses or waste heat you are trying to discuss make no difference at all because waste heat is effectively the same for all electrical transmission and end uses regardless of the generating source.

So the cooling at the solar farm isn't really net cooling? Wow!

Don't tell ding.

 

[ding]

I still understand enough to point out your errors.

That's nice but I think your mom is going to come in with milk and cookies.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's nice but I think your mom is going to come in with milk and cookies.

A reward for pointing out your idiocy? Cool!

I was happy to do it for free.

 

[Stann]

Incrementally there is no difference in waste heat from electricity generated by fossil fuels compared to electricity generated from solar power. So switching from fossil fuels to solar power doesn't affect waste heat. It's the same in both cases. Which is not true for solar radiation. There is a reduction in the number of photons that can produce heat from striking the surface of the planet with solar power that doesn't occur with fossil fuels. So relative to fossil fuels, solar power will result in an incremental cooling which is exactly what was measured at six solar farms.

I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. But if it's the simple matter that the ground temperature beneath the solar panels is now cooler. That's because the ground is now shaded by the solar panels it's that simple. More so in very hot arid areas. It's the whole reason people wear hats in hot sunny locations. To help cool them off. And as long as the solar panels are darker than the ground surface they are absorbing more of the solar energy in the ground did previously. It can be a win-win farmers can use the ground beneath the solar panels to grow crops better.

 

[Crick]

so many clowns, new and old here, say it's all natural
"it goes up, it goes down"
but scientists have actually looked into WHY this cycle is different than the others.

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How We Know Today's Climate Change Is Not Natural
https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2017/04/.../how-we-know-climate-change-is-not-natural/Apr 4, 2017 - Last week, the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, chaired by climate contrarian Lamar Smith, R-Texas, held a hearing on ...

How do we know global warming is not a natural cycle? | Climate ...
www.climatecentral.org/library/faqs/how_do_we_know_it_is_not_a_natural_cycleNov 7, 2009 - Answer. If the Earth's temperature had been steady for millions of years and only started rising in the past half century or so, the answer would ...

How do we know? - Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of ...
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. ...Not only was 2016 the warmest year on record, but eight of the 12 months that make up .... the Earth's natural greenhouse effect and suggested that slight changes in the ...

Human fingerprints on climate change rule out natural cycles
https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-natural-cycle.htmHowever, internal forces do not cause climate change. ... and oceanic emissions of CO2 and know that they are small compared to anthropogenic emissions, but ...
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How Do We Know Humans Are Causing Climate Change? | Climate ...
https://www.climaterealityproject.org/.../how-do-we-know-humans-are-causing-climat...Feb 1, 2019 - Yes, we know humans are responsible for the climate changewe see ... as if we're wrapping another, not-so-natural blanket around the Earth.

Global warming isn't just a natural cycle » Yale Climate Connections
https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/.../global-warming-isnt-just-a-natural-cycle/Sep 18, 2018 - Here's how we know that. ... Global warming isn't just anatural cycle. By Sara Peach on Sep ... The earth's temperature changesnaturally over time. Variations ... Earth's warming: How scientists know it'snot the sun. From Yale ...

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One of them signed the receipt.

 

[ding]

A reward for pointing out your idiocy? Cool!

I was happy to do it for free.

A reward for you agreeing with me that the incremental cooling affect was due to converting photons into electricity.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A reward for you agreeing with me that the incremental cooling affect was due to converting photons into electricity.

A reward for explaining the FLoT to you.

 

[jc456]

I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. But if it's the simple matter that the ground temperature beneath the solar panels is now cooler. That's because the ground is now shaded by the solar panels it's that simple. More so in very hot arid areas. It's the whole reason people wear hats in hot sunny locations. To help cool them off. And as long as the solar panels are darker than the ground surface they are absorbing more of the solar energy in the ground did previously. It can be a win-win farmers can use the ground beneath the solar panels to grow crops better.

So the transfer of energy doesn’t involve heat?

 

[Stann]

So the transfer of energy doesn’t involve heat?

Solar radiation is what heats up our planet. I'm sure those panels are hot, anything that absorbs that much energy has to lose some to heat loss, nothing is 100% efficient. But I'm asking questions here I'm not that knowledgeable about it myself.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. But if it's the simple matter that the ground temperature beneath the solar panels is now cooler. That's because the ground is now shaded by the solar panels it's that simple. More so in very hot arid areas. It's the whole reason people wear hats in hot sunny locations. To help cool them off. And as long as the solar panels are darker than the ground surface they are absorbing more of the solar energy in the ground did previously. It can be a win-win farmers can use the ground beneath the solar panels to grow crops better.

Don't mention the increased airflow cooling the area, you'll ruin ding's glacial fantasy.

 

[abu afak]

so many clowns, new and old here, say it's all natural
"it goes up, it goes down"
but scientists have actually looked into WHY this cycle is different than the others.
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ding "normal for interglacial" ... 'Goes up and down for 50 million years' ... etc

How We Know Today's Climate Change Is Not Natural
https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2017/04/.../how-we-know-climate-change-is-not-natural/Apr 4, 2017 - Last week, the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, chaired by climate contrarian Lamar Smith, R-Texas, held a hearing on ...

How do we know global warming is not a natural cycle? | Climate ...
www.climatecentral.org/library/faqs/how_do_we_know_it_is_not_a_natural_cycleNov 7, 2009 - Answer. If the Earth's temperature had been steady for millions of years and only started rising in the past half century or so, the answer would ...

How do we know? - Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of ...
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. ...Not only was 2016 the warmest year on record, but eight of the 12 months that make up .... the Earth's natural greenhouse effect and suggested that slight changes in the ...

Human fingerprints on climate change rule out natural cycles
https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-natural-cycle.htmHowever, internal forces do not cause climate change. ... and oceanic emissions of CO2 and know that they are small compared to anthropogenic emissions, but ...
[.....]
How Do We Know Humans Are Causing Climate Change? | Climate ...
https://www.climaterealityproject.org/.../how-do-we-know-humans-are-causing-climat...Feb 1, 2019 - Yes, we know humans are responsible for the climate changewe see ... as if we're wrapping another, not-so-natural blanket around the Earth.

Global warming isn't just a natural cycle » Yale Climate Connections
https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/.../global-warming-isnt-just-a-natural-cycle/Sep 18, 2018 - Here's how we know that. ... Global warming isn't just anatural cycle. By Sara Peach on Sep ... The earth's temperature changesnaturally over time. Variations ... Earth's warming: How scientists know it'snot the sun. From Yale ...

How Do We Know that Humans Are the Major Cause of Global ...
https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science.../human-contribution-to-gw-faq.htmlJump to Natural and human factors that influence the climate (known as ...- Natural climate drivers include the energy ... in snow and ice cover thatchange how much ... if it were not for these human-made and natural tiny particles.

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[Stann]

ding "normal for interglacial" ... 'Goes up and down for 50 million years' ... etc

Fortunately the scientific revolution helped create the industrial revolution. As early as 1881 suspicions of what was happening were confirmed by scientists. The process has continued unabated and now is serious.

 

[jc456]

ding "normal for interglacial" ... 'Goes up and down for 50 million years' ... etc

Michael Mann finally loses in DC court – Behind The Black – Robert Zimmerman

Michael Mann finally loses in DC court​

June 24, 2020 9:16 am Robert Zimmerman
It took almost a decade, but the DC Superior Court has finally ruled against Michael Mann in his lawsuit against Rand Simberg and Mark Steyn.
Mann had sued them for libel because they criticized his incompetent and fraudulent global warming research. They demanded evidence of damages, the court agreed and ordered Mann to produce that evidence. He has refused (for almost a decade) and the court has now finally decided that because of his refusal he must pay all the court courts, including Simberg’s and Steyn’s.

This is what you believe in? hahahahahahahaha Has Mann turned in his data yet? hahahahahhaahaha

Can't make up what a demofk believes.

 

[jc456]

Fortunately the scientific revolution helped create the industrial revolution. As early as 1881 suspicions of what was happening were confirmed by scientists. The process has continued unabated and now is serious.

what was happening?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Michael Mann finally loses in DC court – Behind The Black – Robert Zimmerman

Michael Mann finally loses in DC court​

June 24, 2020 9:16 am Robert Zimmerman
It took almost a decade, but the DC Superior Court has finally ruled against Michael Mann in his lawsuit against Rand Simberg and Mark Steyn.
Mann had sued them for libel because they criticized his incompetent and fraudulent global warming research. They demanded evidence of damages, the court agreed and ordered Mann to produce that evidence. He has refused (for almost a decade) and the court has now finally decided that because of his refusal he must pay all the court courts, including Simberg’s and Steyn’s.

This is what you believe in? hahahahahahahaha Has Mann turned in his data yet? hahahahahhaahaha

Can't make up what a demofk believes.

He still owes for some legal judgements against him in Canada.

What a scumbag.

 

[jc456]

He still owes for some legal judgements against him in Canada.

What a scumbag.

I saw that in the link as well.

 

[emilynghiem]

You want California to issue their own currency?

All states should manage their own resources and local currency or economy for their own citizens first, then reserve federal govt for only what is necessary for the whole nation.

 

[abu afak]

All states should manage their own resources and local currency or economy for their own citizens first, then reserve federal govt for only what is necessary for the whole nation.

Climate change (and CO2 in the atmo) isn't 'local.'
It's warming Globally.
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