How Far Can The State Go?

[PoliticalChic]

"PC is, IMO, a bore, a passive aggressive, angry narcissist blah blah blah...."


Now....is that a nice way to speak about your mentor?

No, of course not. It isn't even adequate to describe you, but why should I go into greater detail, your callous disregard for others is no secret?

The truth about PC is that she's a centrist more than a rightwing conservative, but she plays the role of the latter probably because she enjoys the fawning of her rightwing fan club.
Centrists are poor fawners.

You just watch out who you're calling a 'centrist.' bub!

 

[Redfish]

Conservatives support the free market death panel. If you can't afford healthcare at the market price,

you go without, or at best go begging.

It is eminently simple to prove that your post is untrue......

Since Republican President Ronald Reagan, every person in America, citizen or other wise, has had healthcare.

Wow, I gotta check my passport to see what country I'm a citizen of. Either that or I've got a ton of refund checks coming.

Give is list of the categories of americans who were denied healthcare before ACA. It will be a very short list because no one was denied healthcare in this country NO ONE, even people here illegally.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Conservatives support the free market death panel. If you can't afford healthcare at the market price,

you go without, or at best go begging.

It is eminently simple to prove that your post is untrue......

Since Republican President Ronald Reagan, every person in America, citizen or other wise, has had healthcare.

no, they've had emergency care. that's not the same thing at all.

but on topic, why is it you believe the religious whims of a third party should decide the course of treatment agreed to by a doctor and patient?

health·care
ˈhelTHˌke(&#601r/
noun
noun: health care; modifier noun: health-care; noun: health-care
1.
the maintenance and improvement of physical and mental health, especially through the provision of medical services.



Many use the emergency room as their primary physician......you dope.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is eminently simple to prove that your post is untrue......

Since Republican President Ronald Reagan, every person in America, citizen or other wise, has had healthcare.

If that were true then anyone who is buying health insurance is wasting their money.

The ones who paid for insurance covered the ones who did not. exactly the same as under obozocare, but now we also have to pay for a huge inefficient govt beaurocracy. and you fools call that progress?

Medicare is more efficient than private insurance. Medicare pays out 98% of the collected premiums in healthcare.

Under Obamacare, private insurance companies are now required to get their percentage up to 85% or refund the difference.

Who is inefficient??????

 

[Pogo]

Many use the emergency room as their primary physician......you dope.

Like .... who?

Link?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Conservatives support the free market death panel. If you can't afford healthcare at the market price,

you go without, or at best go begging.

It is eminently simple to prove that your post is untrue......

Since Republican President Ronald Reagan, every person in America, citizen or other wise, has had healthcare.

That's untrue (surprise!). When found in the street all person in America (well maybe not in Texas) will be transported to a county hospital and receive emergency care. Of course they will be billed for this service. But healthcare is more than that, and quality health care is expensive. That is why the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was conceived - a way to provide preventative care as well as emergency care via private sector insurance. Thus it is not socialism, no matter how often liars and crooks call it so.

Time for your tutorial?


Sure.



"7. While uninsured patients often have been singled out for inappropriate overuse of the ER, the analysis found that ER usage during the study time frame actually grew fastest among Medicaid beneficiaries, the federal program for people with low incomes.

8. ...Medicaid patients consistently had the highest rate of visits for potentially preventable conditions,...."
Surging Medicaid Use in California?s Emergency Rooms | ucsf.edu"
http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...ealthcare/344769-the-emergency-room-myth.html

 

[ogibillm]

It is eminently simple to prove that your post is untrue......

Since Republican President Ronald Reagan, every person in America, citizen or other wise, has had healthcare.

no, they've had emergency care. that's not the same thing at all.

but on topic, why is it you believe the religious whims of a third party should decide the course of treatment agreed to by a doctor and patient?

health·care
ˈhelTHˌke(&#601r/
noun
noun: health care; modifier noun: health-care; noun: health-care
1.
the maintenance and improvement of physical and mental health, especially through the provision of medical services.



Many use the emergency room as their primary physician......you dope.

you are an exceedingly pleasant person.

many may, but that doesn't mean they are either getting the care they need there or that it is really, truly healthcare.

it is emergency care.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I wish I could say I was surprised at the left's embrace of an authoritarian government deciding when, where and how everyone's life should end and punish those who resist. But, I'm not. It falls right in line with liberal thinking.

When the government wants your life to end, it has only to tell the patient that life is not worth living and they should be happy that a non emotional entity is stepping in to take these decisions from them. Now the patient really wants to be murdered. If there is a third party that objects, even if not on religious grounds but simple moral grounds, that third party MUST be punished.

your entire post is so much made up bullshit.

no government discussed in this thread is putting anyone to death - unless you count the death penalty, and then yes, our government does that.

your second paragraph just has absolutely no basis in reality at all.

i'm not sure what thread you were reading, but it wasn't this one.

I would bet that a person new to USMB might think that Katzndogz was saying really stupid stuff just to make conservatives look bad.

 

[Redfish]

If that were true then anyone who is buying health insurance is wasting their money.

The ones who paid for insurance covered the ones who did not. exactly the same as under obozocare, but now we also have to pay for a huge inefficient govt beaurocracy. and you fools call that progress?

Medicare is more efficient than private insurance. Medicare pays out 98% of the collected premiums in healthcare.

Under Obamacare, private insurance companies are now required to get their percentage up to 85% or refund the difference.

Who is inefficient??????

Private business is more efficient, are you really so dumb that you don't know that?

Do you know what a mutual insurance company is? if not, look it up.

if the sentence in red means you think insurance companies are making 15% profit, then you are one of the dumbest posters on this forum.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Many use the emergency room as their primary physician......you dope.

Like .... who?

Link?

Back into the gutter you lying scum.

 

[PoliticalChic]

no, they've had emergency care. that's not the same thing at all.

but on topic, why is it you believe the religious whims of a third party should decide the course of treatment agreed to by a doctor and patient?

health·care
ˈhelTHˌke(&#601r/
noun
noun: health care; modifier noun: health-care; noun: health-care
1.
the maintenance and improvement of physical and mental health, especially through the provision of medical services.



Many use the emergency room as their primary physician......you dope.

you are an exceedingly pleasant person.

many may, but that doesn't mean they are either getting the care they need there or that it is really, truly healthcare.

it is emergency care.

Thank you for your analysis and professional opinion, Doctor.


....dope.

 

[Plasmaball]

The ones who paid for insurance covered the ones who did not. exactly the same as under obozocare, but now we also have to pay for a huge inefficient govt beaurocracy. and you fools call that progress?

Medicare is more efficient than private insurance. Medicare pays out 98% of the collected premiums in healthcare.

Under Obamacare, private insurance companies are now required to get their percentage up to 85% or refund the difference.

Who is inefficient??????

Private business is more efficient, are you really so dumb that you don't know that?

Do you know what a mutual insurance company is? if not, look it up.

if the sentence in red means you think insurance companies are making 15% profit, then you are one of the dumbest posters on this forum.

No private isnt...

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is eminently simple to prove that your post is untrue......

Since Republican President Ronald Reagan, every person in America, citizen or other wise, has had healthcare.

That's untrue (surprise!). When found in the street all person in America (well maybe not in Texas) will be transported to a county hospital and receive emergency care. Of course they will be billed for this service. But healthcare is more than that, and quality health care is expensive. That is why the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was conceived - a way to provide preventative care as well as emergency care via private sector insurance. Thus it is not socialism, no matter how often liars and crooks call it so.

Time for your tutorial?


Sure.



"7. While uninsured patients often have been singled out for inappropriate overuse of the ER, the analysis found that ER usage during the study time frame actually grew fastest among Medicaid beneficiaries, the federal program for people with low incomes.

8. ...Medicaid patients consistently had the highest rate of visits for potentially preventable conditions,...."
Surging Medicaid Use in California?s Emergency Rooms | ucsf.edu"
http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...ealthcare/344769-the-emergency-room-myth.html

So get rid of Medicaid.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The ones who paid for insurance covered the ones who did not. exactly the same as under obozocare, but now we also have to pay for a huge inefficient govt beaurocracy. and you fools call that progress?

Medicare is more efficient than private insurance. Medicare pays out 98% of the collected premiums in healthcare.

Under Obamacare, private insurance companies are now required to get their percentage up to 85% or refund the difference.

Who is inefficient??????

Private business is more efficient, are you really so dumb that you don't know that?

Do you know what a mutual insurance company is? if not, look it up.

if the sentence in red means you think insurance companies are making 15% profit, then you are one of the dumbest posters on this forum.

Your post proves that you can't tell the difference between 98% and 85%. Here's clue...

...try subtracting the smaller number from the larger number. If you know how to subtract.

 

[Katzndogz]

It is eminently simple to prove that your post is untrue......

Since Republican President Ronald Reagan, every person in America, citizen or other wise, has had healthcare.

Wow, I gotta check my passport to see what country I'm a citizen of. Either that or I've got a ton of refund checks coming.

Give is list of the categories of americans who were denied healthcare before ACA. It will be a very short list because no one was denied healthcare in this country NO ONE, even people here illegally.

While no one was denied health care, insurance provided a higher level of health care. obamacare does not change that. It equalizes health care to a one size fits all. Only those who can afford to pay out of pocket for an elevated level of health care will get an elevated level of health care.

The better insurance (or the more money you have) will afford better doctors, better medication, a more comfortable hospitalization. This doesn't change under obamacare. Except that the better level of health care will have to come from ways other than insurance. Pay out of pocket or join a concierge exchange.

 

[Pogo]

Many use the emergency room as their primary physician......you dope.

Like .... who?

Link?

Back into the gutter you lying scum.

^^ Makes specious claim she can't substantiate --------- and that makes me the liar.

Low hangin' fruit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is eminently simple to prove that your post is untrue......

Since Republican President Ronald Reagan, every person in America, citizen or other wise, has had healthcare.

no, they've had emergency care. that's not the same thing at all.

but on topic, why is it you believe the religious whims of a third party should decide the course of treatment agreed to by a doctor and patient?

health·care
ˈhelTHˌke(&#601r/
noun
noun: health care; modifier noun: health-care; noun: health-care
1.
the maintenance and improvement of physical and mental health, especially through the provision of medical services.



Many use the emergency room as their primary physician......you dope.

And if those people need treatment beyond an emergency room visit, or if it is determined their condition didn't qualify as an emergency,

and they can't pay,

then what do they get in this world you claim provides everyone healthcare.

(btw, I've already won this argument once with this poster and she didn't learn a thing.)

 

[PoliticalChic]

I wish I could say I was surprised at the left's embrace of an authoritarian government deciding when, where and how everyone's life should end and punish those who resist. But, I'm not. It falls right in line with liberal thinking.

When the government wants your life to end, it has only to tell the patient that life is not worth living and they should be happy that a non emotional entity is stepping in to take these decisions from them. Now the patient really wants to be murdered. If there is a third party that objects, even if not on religious grounds but simple moral grounds, that third party MUST be punished.

your entire post is so much made up bullshit.

no government discussed in this thread is putting anyone to death - unless you count the death penalty, and then yes, our government does that.

your second paragraph just has absolutely no basis in reality at all.

i'm not sure what thread you were reading, but it wasn't this one.

"...no government discussed in this thread is putting anyone to death."

Perhaps....

...but, there is this:

a) "[Democrat] GOV. LAMM ASSERTS ELDERLY, IF VERY ILL, HAVE 'DUTY TO DIE'

DENVER, March 28— Elderly people who are terminally ill have a ''duty to die and get out of the way'' instead of trying to prolong their lives by artificial means, Gov. Richard D. Lamm of Colorado said Tuesday."
GOV. LAMM ASSERTS ELDERLY, IF VERY ILL, HAVE 'DUTY TO DIE' - NYTimes.com


b) Democrat Tom Daschle, original nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department, and says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey - Bloomberg



c) A key administration figure committed to cost cutting is Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their own patient and consider social justice. They should think about whether the money being spent on their patient could be better spent elsewhere.
http://defendyourhealthcare.us/
Downgrading American Medical Care | The American Spectator



d) ...slipped into the emergency stimulus legislation was substantial funding for a Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research, comparative effectiveness research is generally code for limiting care based on the patient's age.” The CER would identify (this is language from the draft report on the legislation) medical "items, procedures, and interventions" that it deems insufficiently effective or excessively expensive. They "will no longer be prescribed" by federal health programs.” Are you thinking ‘seniors’? George F. Will - How the GOP Should Measure the Stimulus




The Democrat desire is evident.

 

[PoliticalChic]

no, they've had emergency care. that's not the same thing at all.

but on topic, why is it you believe the religious whims of a third party should decide the course of treatment agreed to by a doctor and patient?

health·care
ˈhelTHˌke(&#601r/
noun
noun: health care; modifier noun: health-care; noun: health-care
1.
the maintenance and improvement of physical and mental health, especially through the provision of medical services.



Many use the emergency room as their primary physician......you dope.

And if those people need treatment beyond an emergency room visit, or if it is determined their condition didn't qualify as an emergency,

and they can't pay,

then what do they get in this world you claim provides everyone healthcare.

(btw, I've already won this argument once with this poster and she didn't learn a thing.)

Time and again you hide behind the lie that you've won anything.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Wow, I gotta check my passport to see what country I'm a citizen of. Either that or I've got a ton of refund checks coming.

Give is list of the categories of americans who were denied healthcare before ACA. It will be a very short list because no one was denied healthcare in this country NO ONE, even people here illegally.

While no one was denied health care, insurance provided a higher level of health care. obamacare does not change that. It equalizes health care to a one size fits all. Only those who can afford to pay out of pocket for an elevated level of health care will get an elevated level of health care.

The better insurance (or the more money you have) will afford better doctors, better medication, a more comfortable hospitalization. This doesn't change under obamacare. Except that the better level of health care will have to come from ways other than insurance. Pay out of pocket or join a concierge exchange.

That's what conservatives want isn't it? Quality of healthcare proportionate to wealth/income of the consumer.