A Minor Mystery Of WWII

[whitehall]

Yet it is a mystery, and there are myriad of theories, and there wouldn't be if all records were available.

Smithsonian has an article...

Will We Ever Know Why Nazi Leader Rudolf Hess Flew to Scotland in the Middle of World War II?

The remarkable tale of insanity, espionage, and conspiracies remains unanswered after 75 years

www.smithsonianmag.com

"Yet a persistent theory has suggested that Hess's ill-fated peace mission was actually carried out with Hitler's knowledge—and the understanding that he'd be disavowed as insane if it failed."

Apparently the Smithsonian only collects newspaper clippings. Did anyone ever ask the Brits?

 

[westwall]

OK.....let's not waste time......watch how quickly I put you in your place:


"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

Interesting whose quote that is.


This thread is not centered on Hess's flight to Scotland.
That would be an event.
The focus is the idea that was the fundemental idea of Nazism.

Blood.

Used in this way:

"This attitude dovetails with what is known about FDR's views regarding immigrants in general and Asian immigrants in particular.... He recommended that future immigration should be limited to those who had "blood of the right sort." "

Now see if you can miss the clearly written point a second time, you dunce.

Mind your manners PC. You and I are allied in many ways, but I have traveled far more extensively than you. I am as well educated, if not better than you as well, so keep it civil.

 

[Grau]

I really appreciate this well thought out post.


You have taken a certain amount of my thunder, but I hope you will allow me to elucidate in my way.....in the next few posts.

Thanks for your kind words and I promise you that any "Thunder theft" was purely unintentional.

Historically, I've found threads relating to WW 2 and the Holocaust to be problematic and emotionally charged especially if one attempts to be objective.

Imagine how different the history books, entertainment media, MSM etc would be today if the Axis Powers had won the war. I don't know why anyone would be so naive as to think that only the "other" side used / uses propaganda at any place or time in history.

History is replete with incredible whoppers that "everybody knows".

I'm glad that you chose this particular event to discuss because enough research reveals the degree to which FDR and Churchill were more interested in the destruction of Germany and seizing its colonies than liberating the planet from oppressive governments like the USSR.

Even the most talented Allied propagandists at America's propaganda ministry ( O.W.I. Office of War Information) couldn't make Hitler out to be more demonic than our ally, the more malevolent tyrant, Stalin.

Anyway, it's been a busy weekend but I look forward to reading more of your comments and contributing what I can.

Thanks,

 

[PoliticalChic]

Thanks for your kind words and I promise you that any "Thunder theft" was purely unintentional.

Historically, I've found threads relating to WW 2 and the Holocaust to be problematic and emotionally charged especially if one attempts to be objective.

Imagine how different the history books, entertainment media, MSM etc would be today if the Axis Powers had won the war. I don't know why anyone would be so naive as to think that only the "other" side used / uses propaganda at any place or time in history.

History is replete with incredible whoppers that "everybody knows".

I'm glad that you chose this particular event to discuss because enough research reveals the degree to which FDR and Churchill were more interested in the destruction of Germany and seizing its colonies than liberating the planet from oppressive governments like the USSR.

Even the most talented Allied propagandists at America's propaganda ministry ( O.W.I. Office of War Information) couldn't make Hitler out to be more demonic than our ally, the more malevolent tyrant, Stalin.

Anyway, it's been a busy weekend but I look forward to reading more of your comments and contributing what I can.

Thanks,

A great pleasure to see a post with that sort of thought and experience behind it.


Hope to see your work again.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Mind your manners PC. You and I are allied in many ways, but I have traveled far more extensively than you. I am as well educated, if not better than you as well, so keep it civil.

Mind your manners PC. You and I are allied in many ways, but I have traveled far more extensively than you. I am as well educated, if not better than you as well, so keep it civil.

With apologies. I don't know how that post wound up in your address, it was written to the poster who wrote this:


"Hence your obsession with Hess. And dumb FDR conspiracy theories."



He was referring to the Eleanor Roosevelt quote about great minds.

 

[BothWings]

Ever since I saw his photo for the first time (probably some time back in the late 70's or early 80's) I thought that guy looked like a fruit loop! Oddly enoughI used to have a boss in the meat business who looked like him, but he was Italian. He was also not playing with a full deck. Maybe it's something genetic which is somehow linked to the phenotype. Italy is right over the Alps from Germany, remember.

 

[whitehall]

The Brits have to know but the freaking American intelligence network has classified everything going beck to the War of 1812,

 

[Grau]

For myself, the question has always been 'why did Hitler continue with a suicidal Operation Barbarossa if he didn't get a positive response from Hess/the Brits?'

He must have known what Napoleon faced in Russia.

But I am religious, and see an explanation there.

Operation Barbarossa was reluctantly planned and initiated out of perceived necessity as a preemptive strike because German intelligence discovered Stalin's plan to march West and keep going.
As you know, Communism had been spreading all around the world and represented a formidable

Unlike the moronic canard that "Hitler wanted to conquer the world.", the reality was that the Soviets did have the manpower and resources overwhelm at least Europe and the Balkans.

After all, the Soviets and the British invaded Iran in 1941 and the main reason that the early stages of Barbarossa were so successful is because the Soviet troops were in offensive positions and ready to march West on "M- Day" (Mobilization Day; 6 August 1941).

I'm unaware of anyone in the German High Command or officer corps who didn't know of Napoleon's grotesque folly or felt confidant about an easy victory against the Soviets.

I've read the Wannsee Meeting minutes in the original German and while there was discussion of moving people to the East, there was no indication of pending military action like Barbarossa.

"Did Stalin Plan to Attack Hitler in 1941? The Historiographical Controversy Surrounding the Origins of the Nazi-Soviet War"

Did Stalin Plan to Attack Hitler in 1941? The Historiographical Controversy Surrounding the Origins of the Nazi-Soviet War

The controversy surrounding the origins of the Nazi-Soviet War in 1941, namely over the issue of whether or not Stalin intended to launch an offensive against Nazi Germany that year, has produced a contentious debate between revisionist (i.e. those...

www.inquiriesjournal.com

EXCERPT " He [Victor Suvorov] cites a lack of defensive preparations, such as the construction of fortified lines and anti-tank ditches, and notes their deployment in hidden areas (such as woods) as evidence of the intention of the soviet leadership to conceal an imminent offensive operation.

…Stalin’s desire to attack Nazi Germany in 1941 with an analysis of soviet foreign policy during the 1930s. They contend that Stalin believed in the concept of world revolution, and that the Second World War provided Stalin an opportunity to extend soviet influence throughout Europe. Mel'tiukhov, for instance, asserts that, “the USSR’s principal aim was to expand the “front of socialism” across as much territory as possible.” CONTINUED

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Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks,

 

[PoliticalChic]

Mind your manners PC. You and I are allied in many ways, but I have traveled far more extensively than you. I am as well educated, if not better than you as well, so keep it civil.

Now I'm curious.....

I've been in the Pyramids, King Tut’s Tomb, and Petra in Jordan.....swam in the Mediterranean, and visited the Dome of the Rock, bull fights in Spain, the Sistine Chapel, the Shrine of Fatima in Portugal, had lunch in the Casbah, been to the world’s finest art museum, the Uffizi, bathed in the peaceful smoke of joss sticks in Buddhist temples, and, traveled in this country. I’ve been on the vaporetto’s in Venice, and walked the stations of the cross in Jerusalem. I stood on the top of the Leaning Tower of Pisa, and studied the David at the Academy…..



Soooo.....how'd I do?


S

 

[Grumpyolman]

It's exactly as the history books say. Hitler couldn't scale an invasion of England without air superiority. The RAF never gave them that, even in the last days of the battle of Britain. The brave Spitfire and Hurricane pilots, along with British radar stations, kept them at bay.

"Never was so much owed by so many to so few" -Winston Churchill.​