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Your 'could haves' come way late in the quagmire that Iraq became when Bush chose invasion over peaceful disarmament through the UN.
Are you aware of how both sides danced around the immunity issue for "domestic consumption in Iraq" in the 2008 SOFA? <> The wording was done in a way to appease certain "domestic" factions while our allies there and our State Dept people actually put enough ambiguity in the language to make everyone think they were getting what they wanted.
This reads like an alternate history to me. Before the drumbeat of war ramped up the Iraq sanctions regime was on it's last leg, same with the No-Fly Zones. If Bush had taken a different approach and never sounded the war drums on Iraq, Saddam would have won on his waiting it out gambit.
9831608This reads like an alternate history to me. Before the drumbeat of war ramped up the Iraq sanctions regime was on it's last leg, same with the No-Fly Zones. If Bush had taken a different approach and never sounded the war drums on Iraq, Saddam would have won on his waiting it out gambit.
I've said many times that I agreed with Bush in the post-911 environment that Iraq needed to be confronted militarily if Iraq did not let the UN inspectors in. Iraq was in violation of international law when no inspectors were allowed in. The recorded history is exactly what I cite because it was Bush who appealed to the UN to commit to resuming tough inspections and giving Iraq a FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY with all those violations that so many cite. I suppose it would appear to be an alternate to history if one has no clue what the FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY language in UN Resolution 1441 was all about.
The conclusion that Iraq had no WMD was a conclusion that the UN could have peacefully determined without all the bloodshed and terror, death and destruction and financial costs that the Bush invasion caused. So sanctions would have been rightfully lifted (NO WMD) and for that reason you have no point.
And Neither Kurds in the North nor Shiites in the south were under any kind of impending threat because of the deterioration of the NFZ operations. Even if they were maintained after the UN set up its long term monitoring regime in Iraq, the NFZ would still be much less expensive to operate than the nine year quagmire that was Iraq.
Bush also beat some drums for peace and according to him the UN was they way to remove the threat and do it peacefully. So your strict 'drumbeat for war' is a mess if you think that it is the true history.
So some Americans might be alive today thanks to Obama's troop pull-out.
And because of his troop pull out THOUSANDS of Christians, and muslims have been killed by FANATIC ISLAMISTS that would not have been able to otherwise....
So some Americans might be alive today thanks to Obama's troop pull-out.
And because of his troop pull out THOUSANDS of Christians, and muslims have been killed by FANATIC ISLAMISTS that would not have been able to otherwise....
Stop the ignorant bullshit. Most of those Christians were killed or driven out under Bush. Everyone knows it. So just stop with such bullshit lies. It makes you look unAmerican.
So some Americans might be alive today thanks to Obama's troop pull-out.
And because of his troop pull out THOUSANDS of Christians, and muslims have been killed by FANATIC ISLAMISTS that would not have been able to otherwise....
Stop the ignorant bullshit. Most of those Christians were killed or driven out under Bush. Everyone knows it. So just stop with such bullshit lies. It makes you look unAmerican.
That's a fucking LIE, and everybody that isn't an obuma cock sucker knows it! You commie pond scum, think you can bullshit your way through life and praise the POS in the WH!
So some Americans might be alive today thanks to Obama's troop pull-out.
And because of his troop pull out THOUSANDS of Christians, and muslims have been killed by FANATIC ISLAMISTS that would not have been able to otherwise....
Stop the ignorant bullshit. Most of those Christians were killed or driven out under Bush. Everyone knows it. So just stop with such bullshit lies. It makes you look unAmerican.
Fewer by the day, IMHO.What sane person would be a Christian in the middle of the Muslim world?
Iraq Appoints Final Government Ministers In Boost To Fight Against ISIS
AP 10/18/14 03:50 PM ET
BAGHDAD (AP) -- Iraqi lawmakers approved Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi's remaining Cabinet nominees on Saturday, including for the critical defense and interior portfolios, completing the formation of a government that will strive to push the Islamic State extremist group out of the sprawling territory it has seized in recent months. ... Khaled al-Obeidi, a Sunni lawmaker from Mosul, was selected for the post of defense minister, by a vote of 175-85. He had served as an officer in Saddam Hussein's military and holds a PhD in political science.
So EconChick is turning out to be ever so wrong on Iraq and as expressed on this thread.
Obama was right. Maliki needed to go. Iraq now has a Sunni Defense Minister from Mosul and approved by Iraq's Parliament. Khaled al-Obeidi was an officer in Saddam's military so he will likely provide a level of trust for Sunnis who could never trust Maliki.
Iraq Appoints Final Government Ministers In Boost To Fight Against ISIS
AP 10/18/14 03:50 PM ET
BAGHDAD (AP) -- Iraqi lawmakers approved Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi's remaining Cabinet nominees on Saturday, including for the critical defense and interior portfolios, completing the formation of a government that will strive to push the Islamic State extremist group out of the sprawling territory it has seized in recent months. ... Khaled al-Obeidi, a Sunni lawmaker from Mosul, was selected for the post of defense minister, by a vote of 175-85. He had served as an officer in Saddam Hussein's military and holds a PhD in political science.
Iraq Appoints Final Government Ministers In Boost To Fight Against ISIS
More proof that EconChick is a fraud when it comes to Iraq.
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You get the biggest GULLIBLE trophy of all. Everyone knows he's waiting till after the elections. That's because everything he does is done primarily for political reasons. Everyone knows that.
EC 10000930 regardingYou get the biggest GULLIBLE trophy of all. Everyone knows he's waiting till after the elections. That's because everything he does is done primarily for political reasons. Everyone knows that.
More fraud from EconChick. Obama has maintained a strong US military, NATO, ISAF, war policy in Afghanistan which was carried on with very deep opposition from the left and a major part of his political base. So no, everyone does not 'know that'.
The new Sunni former officer in Saddam's military will make a significant difference with respect to Sunnis in Anbar coordinating the fight with the Iraqi government military units and the Peshmerga. It looks at though an inclusive government in Iraq has been formed. No need for US combat troops is likely now or after the US mid-term elections. IS terrorists have been pretty much reduced to suicide bombers being sent into Baghdad. Their days of massive open military assaults are over. US ground troops will not be effective in curbing that.
But keep up your political attack of wanting to see Americans die on the ground in Iraq so that the Iraqis themselves don't have to fight. Perhaps some Iraqis are waiting to see how the political situation in the US turns out with respect to Americans desire to send in ground troops before they decide to put their lives on the line to help defeat and destroy ISIS.
I prefer to stand by Obama's message to Iraqi politicians and soldiers.... You fight on the ground because Americans are not going to kill and die for you any more. We did enough. If you want security ... fight for it.
The point is, Poseur, Bush and Cheney lied to inflict a war of aggression on the people of Iraq that maimed, murdered, and displaced millions of innocent Muslims; IS rose from those ashes the same way the Taliban took over in Afghanistan.Dumbfuck liberals still whining about Buuuuuuuush going into Iraq when the entire point is Obama took credit himself for "Iraq being secure" thus giving him his out to run away from Iraq with his lies that the ISF was ready to defend Iraq from foreign threats like Iran and Islamic terrorist groups like ISIS.
That is the fucking point, Obama and Biden lied about Iraq being ready to operate on their own and they were personally responsible for that success they lied about. When ISIS started cutting off heads, raping women and children....well Obama got exposed by the media in Iraq that he was lying the entire time when dupes here went on in life believing his lies.
Those of us with clearances knew he was lying the entire time and that he ignored the DoD and CIA warnings....
You don't just drink Obama koolaid, you must add something else to that drink.
Your assessment is so OUT THERE that I have to laugh.....just laugh...
Those of us with clearances knew he was lying the entire time and that he ignored the DoD and CIA warnings....
Harvey, a former top intelligence adviser to David H. Petraeus, who served as commander of the allied forces in Iraq, said the military’s problems are a symptom of a much deeper crisis in Iraqi society created largely by Maliki’s mishandling of delicate sectarian tensions.
“The core of all this is political,” Harvey said. “What we’re facing today is not al-Qaeda, and Prime Minister Maliki wants us to focus on ISIS as the primary threat. The vanguard is ISIS. The breadth and depth of this is basic Sunni Arabs who are fed up.”
That is true. But EconChick is a proponent of Americans dying so Iraqis don't have to. So she wants at least 10,000 to stay and fight on the ground for them.In an odd way the OP has won her bet, because the number of troops we should've left in Iraq is zero.
