How Socialism Ruined My Country

[francoHFW]

by what metric do you make that claim?

By the one of facts.

whaat facts?

Estimates for the Vietnam War seem to range anywhere between 900,000 Vietnamese killed to 2 million killed.

Up to 700,000 people killed in the First Indochina War.

That's France the US's involvement in Vietnam.

Compare that to the post Vietnam War period, and Vietnam has been steadily progressing. They gained their independence and life is better there.

They are facts.

much of the improvement is due to the communist party abandoning Stalinist policy and instituting free market reforms.
hardcore communism in the neighboring country, under the Khmer rouge didn't work out thawesome for the Khmer people.
and the French occupation had more to do with imperialism than pure capitalism. for a long, long time, france has been one of the moresocialistic nations in the west.

Well, again, what they had wasn't Communism. It was this distorted bastardized view of Communism, like the USSR had, that wasn't anything like how Communism is supposed to be.

Again, I don't like Socialism or Communism, and Vietnam is using a free market policies, but that still doesn't say that Capitalism didn't destroy their country in the first place, pushing it towards those who would try and implement their view of Communism, forcibly, and then the wars that followed.

The US is the biggest threat to global security and has been for a long time.

That's what everyone calls communism. ! And utopian communism will never happen. Socialism (ALWAYS democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net) is the end all. NEW ZEALAND, Australia, ok?

 

[frigidweirdo]

By the one of facts.

whaat facts?

Estimates for the Vietnam War seem to range anywhere between 900,000 Vietnamese killed to 2 million killed.

Up to 700,000 people killed in the First Indochina War.

That's France the US's involvement in Vietnam.

Compare that to the post Vietnam War period, and Vietnam has been steadily progressing. They gained their independence and life is better there.

They are facts.

much of the improvement is due to the communist party abandoning Stalinist policy and instituting free market reforms.
hardcore communism in the neighboring country, under the Khmer rouge didn't work out thawesome for the Khmer people.
and the French occupation had more to do with imperialism than pure capitalism. for a long, long time, france has been one of the moresocialistic nations in the west.

Well, again, what they had wasn't Communism. It was this distorted bastardized view of Communism, like the USSR had, that wasn't anything like how Communism is supposed to be.

Again, I don't like Socialism or Communism, and Vietnam is using a free market policies, but that still doesn't say that Capitalism didn't destroy their country in the first place, pushing it towards those who would try and implement their view of Communism, forcibly, and then the wars that followed.

The US is the biggest threat to global security and has been for a long time.

That's what everyone calls communism. ! And utopian communism will never happen. Socialism (ALWAYS democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net) is the end all. NEW ZEALAND, Australia, ok?

Yes, I know many people also use the word badly, but that doesn't stop it being a bad use of the word.

 

[francoHFW]

socialism/communism are fucked up from the beginning, because they force people that want nothing to do with them into their incestuous government... if they were worth a shit, people would want to join voluntarily… Voluntarily!

Socialism is NZ, communism is Red China. PLEASE!!

Socialism should be kept to yourselves, why force it on other people that want nothing to do with it and it would make their lives a living shithole?

What's the problem? ACA yes? That is the solution if the GOP goes after COSTS. ha ha.

 

[Rustic]

socialism/communism are fucked up from the beginning, because they force people that want nothing to do with them into their incestuous government... if they were worth a shit, people would want to join voluntarily… Voluntarily!

Socialism is NZ, communism is Red China. PLEASE!!

Socialism should be kept to yourselves, why force it on other people that want nothing to do with it and it would make their lives a living shithole?

What's the problem? ACA yes? That is the solution if the GOP goes after COSTS. ha ha.

Socialism makes the country's problems much much worse

 

[francoHFW]

whaat facts?

Estimates for the Vietnam War seem to range anywhere between 900,000 Vietnamese killed to 2 million killed.

Up to 700,000 people killed in the First Indochina War.

That's France the US's involvement in Vietnam.

Compare that to the post Vietnam War period, and Vietnam has been steadily progressing. They gained their independence and life is better there.

They are facts.

much of the improvement is due to the communist party abandoning Stalinist policy and instituting free market reforms.
hardcore communism in the neighboring country, under the Khmer rouge didn't work out thawesome for the Khmer people.
and the French occupation had more to do with imperialism than pure capitalism. for a long, long time, france has been one of the moresocialistic nations in the west.

Well, again, what they had wasn't Communism. It was this distorted bastardized view of Communism, like the USSR had, that wasn't anything like how Communism is supposed to be.

Again, I don't like Socialism or Communism, and Vietnam is using a free market policies, but that still doesn't say that Capitalism didn't destroy their country in the first place, pushing it towards those who would try and implement their view of Communism, forcibly, and then the wars that followed.

The US is the biggest threat to global security and has been for a long time.

That's what everyone calls communism. ! And utopian communism will never happen. Socialism (ALWAYS democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net) is the end all. NEW ZEALAND, Australia, ok?

Yes, I know many people also use the word badly, but that doesn't stop it being a bad use of the word.

socialism/communism are fucked up from the beginning, because they force people that want nothing to do with them into their incestuous government... if they were worth a shit, people would want to join voluntarily… Voluntarily!

Socialism is NZ, communism is Red China. PLEASE!!

Socialism should be kept to yourselves, why force it on other people that want nothing to do with it and it would make their lives a living shithole?

What's the problem? ACA yes? That is the solution if the GOP goes after COSTS. ha ha.

Socialism makes the country's problems much much worse

In the USA lately, it's been not taxing the rich enough and not investing (cheap college, training) in Americans and infrastructure that's falling apart.

Explain what you mean please.

 

[Rustic]

Estimates for the Vietnam War seem to range anywhere between 900,000 Vietnamese killed to 2 million killed.

Up to 700,000 people killed in the First Indochina War.

That's France the US's involvement in Vietnam.

Compare that to the post Vietnam War period, and Vietnam has been steadily progressing. They gained their independence and life is better there.

They are facts.

much of the improvement is due to the communist party abandoning Stalinist policy and instituting free market reforms.
hardcore communism in the neighboring country, under the Khmer rouge didn't work out thawesome for the Khmer people.
and the French occupation had more to do with imperialism than pure capitalism. for a long, long time, france has been one of the moresocialistic nations in the west.

Well, again, what they had wasn't Communism. It was this distorted bastardized view of Communism, like the USSR had, that wasn't anything like how Communism is supposed to be.

Again, I don't like Socialism or Communism, and Vietnam is using a free market policies, but that still doesn't say that Capitalism didn't destroy their country in the first place, pushing it towards those who would try and implement their view of Communism, forcibly, and then the wars that followed.

The US is the biggest threat to global security and has been for a long time.

That's what everyone calls communism. ! And utopian communism will never happen. Socialism (ALWAYS democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net) is the end all. NEW ZEALAND, Australia, ok?

Yes, I know many people also use the word badly, but that doesn't stop it being a bad use of the word.

socialism/communism are fucked up from the beginning, because they force people that want nothing to do with them into their incestuous government... if they were worth a shit, people would want to join voluntarily… Voluntarily!

Socialism is NZ, communism is Red China. PLEASE!!

Socialism should be kept to yourselves, why force it on other people that want nothing to do with it and it would make their lives a living shithole?

What's the problem? ACA yes? That is the solution if the GOP goes after COSTS. ha ha.

Socialism makes the country's problems much much worse

In the USA lately, it's been not taxing the rich enough and not investing (cheap college, training) in Americans and infrastructure that's falling apart.

Explain what you mean please.

A progressive tax of any sort is wrong headed and foolish... The nanny state is a symptom of spinelessness…
The corrupt fucked IRS have been taking in record revenues the last few year … If they cannot live within their means, they should fucking go without... a bunch of spineless kunts.

 

[francoHFW]

much of the improvement is due to the communist party abandoning Stalinist policy and instituting free market reforms.
hardcore communism in the neighboring country, under the Khmer rouge didn't work out thawesome for the Khmer people.
and the French occupation had more to do with imperialism than pure capitalism. for a long, long time, france has been one of the moresocialistic nations in the west.

Well, again, what they had wasn't Communism. It was this distorted bastardized view of Communism, like the USSR had, that wasn't anything like how Communism is supposed to be.

Again, I don't like Socialism or Communism, and Vietnam is using a free market policies, but that still doesn't say that Capitalism didn't destroy their country in the first place, pushing it towards those who would try and implement their view of Communism, forcibly, and then the wars that followed.

The US is the biggest threat to global security and has been for a long time.

That's what everyone calls communism. ! And utopian communism will never happen. Socialism (ALWAYS democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net) is the end all. NEW ZEALAND, Australia, ok?

Yes, I know many people also use the word badly, but that doesn't stop it being a bad use of the word.

Socialism is NZ, communism is Red China. PLEASE!!

Socialism should be kept to yourselves, why force it on other people that want nothing to do with it and it would make their lives a living shithole?

What's the problem? ACA yes? That is the solution if the GOP goes after COSTS. ha ha.

Socialism makes the country's problems much much worse

In the USA lately, it's been not taxing the rich enough and not investing (cheap college, training) in Americans and infrastructure that's falling apart.

Explain what you mean please.

A progressive tax of any sort is wrong headed and foolish... The nanny state is a symptom of spinelessness…
The corrupt fucked IRS have been taking in record revenues the last few year … If they cannot live within their means, they should fucking go without... a bunch of spineless kunts.

Is it fair that the richest get all the new wealth? If it's not progressive, tax is a giveaway to the rich.

 

[Rustic]

Well, again, what they had wasn't Communism. It was this distorted bastardized view of Communism, like the USSR had, that wasn't anything like how Communism is supposed to be.

Again, I don't like Socialism or Communism, and Vietnam is using a free market policies, but that still doesn't say that Capitalism didn't destroy their country in the first place, pushing it towards those who would try and implement their view of Communism, forcibly, and then the wars that followed.

The US is the biggest threat to global security and has been for a long time.

That's what everyone calls communism. ! And utopian communism will never happen. Socialism (ALWAYS democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net) is the end all. NEW ZEALAND, Australia, ok?

Yes, I know many people also use the word badly, but that doesn't stop it being a bad use of the word.

Socialism should be kept to yourselves, why force it on other people that want nothing to do with it and it would make their lives a living shithole?

What's the problem? ACA yes? That is the solution if the GOP goes after COSTS. ha ha.

Socialism makes the country's problems much much worse

In the USA lately, it's been not taxing the rich enough and not investing (cheap college, training) in Americans and infrastructure that's falling apart.

Explain what you mean please.

A progressive tax of any sort is wrong headed and foolish... The nanny state is a symptom of spinelessness…
The corrupt fucked IRS have been taking in record revenues the last few year … If they cannot live within their means, they should fucking go without... a bunch of spineless kunts.

Is it fair that the richest get all the new wealth? If it's not progressive, tax is a giveaway to the rich.

Progressive taxation is all about envy... fact

 

[frigidweirdo]

Estimates for the Vietnam War seem to range anywhere between 900,000 Vietnamese killed to 2 million killed.

Up to 700,000 people killed in the First Indochina War.

That's France the US's involvement in Vietnam.

Compare that to the post Vietnam War period, and Vietnam has been steadily progressing. They gained their independence and life is better there.

They are facts.

much of the improvement is due to the communist party abandoning Stalinist policy and instituting free market reforms.
hardcore communism in the neighboring country, under the Khmer rouge didn't work out thawesome for the Khmer people.
and the French occupation had more to do with imperialism than pure capitalism. for a long, long time, france has been one of the moresocialistic nations in the west.

Well, again, what they had wasn't Communism. It was this distorted bastardized view of Communism, like the USSR had, that wasn't anything like how Communism is supposed to be.

Again, I don't like Socialism or Communism, and Vietnam is using a free market policies, but that still doesn't say that Capitalism didn't destroy their country in the first place, pushing it towards those who would try and implement their view of Communism, forcibly, and then the wars that followed.

The US is the biggest threat to global security and has been for a long time.

That's what everyone calls communism. ! And utopian communism will never happen. Socialism (ALWAYS democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net) is the end all. NEW ZEALAND, Australia, ok?

Yes, I know many people also use the word badly, but that doesn't stop it being a bad use of the word.

socialism/communism are fucked up from the beginning, because they force people that want nothing to do with them into their incestuous government... if they were worth a shit, people would want to join voluntarily… Voluntarily!

Socialism is NZ, communism is Red China. PLEASE!!

Socialism should be kept to yourselves, why force it on other people that want nothing to do with it and it would make their lives a living shithole?

What's the problem? ACA yes? That is the solution if the GOP goes after COSTS. ha ha.

Socialism makes the country's problems much much worse

In the USA lately, it's been not taxing the rich enough and not investing (cheap college, training) in Americans and infrastructure that's falling apart.

Explain what you mean please.

Well I have no idea what you're talking about, so I can't really explain.

 

[Yarddog]

Shall we list the countries destroyed by capitalism?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc etc?

Your talking about the effects of war. The OP shows that Brazil took the same course the Democrats would like to take the US economy on. The Op pretty much lays out the recipe for economic disaster pretty well.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Shall we list the countries destroyed by capitalism?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc etc?

Your talking about the effects of war. The OP shows that Brazil took the same course the Democrats would like to take the US economy on. The Op pretty much lays out the recipe for economic disaster pretty well.

So, am I to understand your position, that when capitalist countries go to war, especially economic wars like Iraq, that this isn't the impact of capitalism on countries?

 

[Yarddog]

Shall we list the countries destroyed by capitalism?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc etc?

Your talking about the effects of war. The OP shows that Brazil took the same course the Democrats would like to take the US economy on. The Op pretty much lays out the recipe for economic disaster pretty well.

So, am I to understand your position, that when capitalist countries go to war, especially economic wars like Iraq, that this isn't the impact of capitalism on countries?

The nature of those wars, and the right or wrong of them is another subject. The OP was talking about the economic effect that socialism had on Brazil, vs the more freer capitalist system it had before. For instance, if Brazil had a healthy economy because of capitalism, that doesn't mean capitalism is going to force them to go to war with anyone. If anything Brazil would have a better life for its people today if they hadnt fallen into the socialist rut. Just like the people of Venezuela by the way.

 

[francoHFW]

much of the improvement is due to the communist party abandoning Stalinist policy and instituting free market reforms.
hardcore communism in the neighboring country, under the Khmer rouge didn't work out thawesome for the Khmer people.
and the French occupation had more to do with imperialism than pure capitalism. for a long, long time, france has been one of the moresocialistic nations in the west.

Well, again, what they had wasn't Communism. It was this distorted bastardized view of Communism, like the USSR had, that wasn't anything like how Communism is supposed to be.

Again, I don't like Socialism or Communism, and Vietnam is using a free market policies, but that still doesn't say that Capitalism didn't destroy their country in the first place, pushing it towards those who would try and implement their view of Communism, forcibly, and then the wars that followed.

The US is the biggest threat to global security and has been for a long time.

That's what everyone calls communism. ! And utopian communism will never happen. Socialism (ALWAYS democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net) is the end all. NEW ZEALAND, Australia, ok?

Yes, I know many people also use the word badly, but that doesn't stop it being a bad use of the word.

Socialism is NZ, communism is Red China. PLEASE!!

Socialism should be kept to yourselves, why force it on other people that want nothing to do with it and it would make their lives a living shithole?

What's the problem? ACA yes? That is the solution if the GOP goes after COSTS. ha ha.

Socialism makes the country's problems much much worse

In the USA lately, it's been not taxing the rich enough and not investing (cheap college, training) in Americans and infrastructure that's falling apart.

Explain what you mean please.

Well I have no idea what you're talking about, so I can't really explain.

HOW does socialism make the country's problem worse? ie, fair capitalism. NZ is fine.

 

[francoHFW]

That's what everyone calls communism. ! And utopian communism will never happen. Socialism (ALWAYS democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net) is the end all. NEW ZEALAND, Australia, ok?

Yes, I know many people also use the word badly, but that doesn't stop it being a bad use of the word.

What's the problem? ACA yes? That is the solution if the GOP goes after COSTS. ha ha.

Socialism makes the country's problems much much worse

In the USA lately, it's been not taxing the rich enough and not investing (cheap college, training) in Americans and infrastructure that's falling apart.

Explain what you mean please.

A progressive tax of any sort is wrong headed and foolish... The nanny state is a symptom of spinelessness…
The corrupt fucked IRS have been taking in record revenues the last few year … If they cannot live within their means, they should fucking go without... a bunch of spineless kunts.

Is it fair that the richest get all the new wealth? If it's not progressive, tax is a giveaway to the rich.

Progressive taxation is all about envy... fact

BS. So why do rich Dems want to raise their own taxes (and invest in America)?

 

[francoHFW]

Shall we list the countries destroyed by capitalism?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc etc?

Your talking about the effects of war. The OP shows that Brazil took the same course the Democrats would like to take the US economy on. The Op pretty much lays out the recipe for economic disaster pretty well.

So, am I to understand your position, that when capitalist countries go to war, especially economic wars like Iraq, that this isn't the impact of capitalism on countries?

The nature of those wars, and the right or wrong of them is another subject. The OP was talking about the economic effect that socialism had on Brazil, vs the more freer capitalist system it had before. For instance, if Brazil had a healthy economy because of capitalism, that doesn't mean capitalism is going to force them to go to war with anyone. If anything Brazil would have a better life for its people today if they hadnt fallen into the socialist rut. Just like the people of Venezuela by the way.

It wasn't socialism, it was the GOP world depression duhhh...

 

[2aguy]

Shall we list the countries destroyed by capitalism?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc etc?

No...those countries weren't ruined by capitlism....please try again....

 

[2aguy]

Capitalism in the US just recently created The Bush Great Recessoin, and 20 trillion dollars of debt. The US has a president that hands out government jobs to his friends and family like candy on Halloween. He colluded with a foreign adversary to fix the US election. And he and his allies in Congress are working on a tax cut that will cut taxes on the poor by $40 but cut taxes on wealthy people by $1,000,000.

Yeah that shit is working like a well oiled machine in America.

All successful governments are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. There aren't any Americans volunteering to pay for and pave their own roads, they expect the Society collectively to pay for that. One example out of thousands. People don't equate roads with 'socialism' because they've always been there. Someone has to pay for them, and 95% of the population could not afford to pay for even a 1/4 mile of a paved road.

Everyone that believes they are pure capitalists you need to pry your lips off the socialist teet first. The video in the OP is simple minded and directed at simple minded people. Corruption leads to debt and disaster? Yeah no shit, just check with Wallstreet in September 2008.

No....20 trillion in debt came from the government spending more than it took in....that isn't capitalism, moron...that is as close to socialism as it gets.

 

[Rustic]

Yes, I know many people also use the word badly, but that doesn't stop it being a bad use of the word.

Socialism makes the country's problems much much worse

In the USA lately, it's been not taxing the rich enough and not investing (cheap college, training) in Americans and infrastructure that's falling apart.

Explain what you mean please.

A progressive tax of any sort is wrong headed and foolish... The nanny state is a symptom of spinelessness…
The corrupt fucked IRS have been taking in record revenues the last few year … If they cannot live within their means, they should fucking go without... a bunch of spineless kunts.

Is it fair that the richest get all the new wealth? If it's not progressive, tax is a giveaway to the rich.

Progressive taxation is all about envy... fact

BS. So why do rich Dems want to raise their own taxes (and invest in America)?

They can pay all the taxes they want with their own money, but they should never have a say what other people should be taxed... envy is a spineless emotion...

 

[2aguy]

Shall we list the countries destroyed by capitalism?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc etc?

Your talking about the effects of war. The OP shows that Brazil took the same course the Democrats would like to take the US economy on. The Op pretty much lays out the recipe for economic disaster pretty well.

So, am I to understand your position, that when capitalist countries go to war, especially economic wars like Iraq, that this isn't the impact of capitalism on countries?

Iraq wasn't an economic war, moron. They violated the ceasefire agreement from day one, and the socialist countries in Europe were talking bribes from sadaam to look the other way......then, after 3,000 people were murdered, we could no longer play games with morons like sadaam....

 

[Yarddog]

Shall we list the countries destroyed by capitalism?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc etc?

Your talking about the effects of war. The OP shows that Brazil took the same course the Democrats would like to take the US economy on. The Op pretty much lays out the recipe for economic disaster pretty well.

So, am I to understand your position, that when capitalist countries go to war, especially economic wars like Iraq, that this isn't the impact of capitalism on countries?

Ok so heres a problem I see with the socialist model. There is corruption in any system. With people it is always inevetable that some will use favors to get around the rules for themselves and their company. In a capitalist system, things are "run" by the free market. In that case, it works out well that the government sets up regulatory measures to keep things in check. Even then though there can be corruption, but at least there is a division in political parties and branches of government. and we can hope that they also keep each other in check.

But in a Socialist system, say Venezuela for example, The government is the one running things to a much greater extent than the market system is. So then if the government becomes corrupt, who is there left to hold the government accountable? No one. It's like having the fox taking care of the hen house so to speak.