bripat9643
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Socialism is capitalism?Socialism is simply fair , democratic capitalism with a good safety net. NOT communism.Your talking about the effects of war. The OP shows that Brazil took the same course the Democrats would like to take the US economy on. The Op pretty much lays out the recipe for economic disaster pretty well.
So, am I to understand your position, that when capitalist countries go to war, especially economic wars like Iraq, that this isn't the impact of capitalism on countries?
Ok so heres a problem I see with the socialist model. There is corruption in any system. With people it is always inevetable that some will use favors to get around the rules for themselves and their company. In a capitalist system, things are "run" by the free market. In that case, it works out well that the government sets up regulatory measures to keep things in check. Even then though there can be corruption, but at least there is a division in political parties and branches of government. and we can hope that they also keep each other in check.
But in a Socialist system, say Venezuela for example, The government is the one running things to a much greater extent than the market system is. So then if the government becomes corrupt, who is there left to hold the government accountable? No one. It's like having the fox taking care of the hen house so to speak.
Here's the thing. If you have Capitalism, it will fail. No state has managed to have pure capitalism and survive. Monopolies will be created, corruption will be insane, etc.
So Capitalism needs to have regulation in order to make it function.
Could it not be that Socialism could work that way too? The problem is that most, if not all, Socialist systems have been implemented through force, there's the first problem. Capitalism through force doesn't always work either, ask Zimbabwe.
Capitalism will fail? really? So the revolutionary take off of personal computers and smart phones occurred in which country? The United States a mostly capitalist country? or did it happen in one of those socialist countries where the government is involved in every aspect of their citizens lives?
There is a reason many great technological advances have happened here. It's because people have incentive, and the freedom to act on their incentive and imagination. Socialist countries are much more restrictive.
We dont have pure Capitalism here , and of course we need regulations but those regulations sometimes become duplicitous and often are just ways of collecting revenues off the back of someone trying to start a business. Some people never make it off the ground because the process can take too long depending on the city or state they live in. Yeah, of course any Large society is going to need regulation and most sane conservatives will agree with that, but what they dont want is stupidity and over bearing regulations which is MORE of what you get in socialist systems.
Lets say it does take a little socialism along with a mostly capitalist system to be effective. When you have "government" types running things you will have disconnect and inefficiency ... just take a look at the VA system. It's because you have beurocrats running things who dont have Expertise in the field they are working in.
When the system is run by the free market, so to speak, people will be hired to do the job who know what the hell they are doing. FedX is NEVER going to hire a government beurocrat to run operations at one of their headquarters, but it is possible you could get a guy or gal who started lower down, rose up through the ranks, Knows the way things are supposed to work, and that person will be much better in a leadership position. What you get in more socialist systems are unqualified people put in charge of things. If that happens in a free market system the company will not survive. When the government it self is in charge, all they simply need to do is raise taxes or print more money... Like Zimbabwe.
Another example of what Im talking about is K-Mac Industries Corp. They own hundreds of Taco Bells and KFC across Texas, Ark, and some other states in the south and I believe they are the largest and most successful Taco Bell Franchise in the US. The president of the company Sam Fiori started out as a fry cook in one of the Taco Bells and worked his way up. Thats not going to happen in a socialist country.
The Uk seems to think they invented the internet...
It always cracks me up when you say that.