How the Jesus Myth was created

[PostmodernProph]

more fruitful would be a discussion on How the Atheist Myth was created

But, atheism isn't a myth. It does not maintain that impossible things are real. It doesn't require a suspension of logic and science and intelligence.

Its a natural state of being.

lol....atheists have a myth that they're rational........

 

[PostmodernProph]

A lot of the Jesus myth was a pretty good tale, but they went overboard when it came to the virgin birth. My understanding is that the Aramaic word that was translated to "Virgin" actually only meant "unmarried maiden".

/shrugs......another lying paste from an atheistsRus website.......some idiots will believe anything as long as its posted on an atheistsRus website.....

 

[JakeStarkey]

more fruitful would be a discussion on How the Atheist Myth was created

But, atheism isn't a myth. It does not maintain that impossible things are real. It doesn't require a suspension of logic and science and intelligence.

Its a natural state of being.

Thank you for demonstrating the factual reality of the atheist myth.

It requires belief in the lack of God.

Thus it is faith, nothing more, just like deists.

 

[Hollie]

Science and logic doesn't explain how 11 men who had very little education managed to start a religion that lasted 2000 years and now has 2 billion adherents.

And if you say they made up Jesus Christ as a fictional character, you are giving them credit for too much cleverness. These were simple men, fishermen mostly, and did not have the imagination to invent Jesus or his teachings.

And all of them but one allowed himself to be executed rather than renounce this person you say is fictional.

"They were simple men", is a common theme among the inventions of religions.

Religions love to have illiterate founders; it connects both to the huge masses of people who are by and large un- or undereducated, and it makes the religion seem "greater", that here a simple person has some connection to a supreme being. But as history (recent and otherwise) has shown us, these "messiahs" and "prophets" are likely not illiterate at all.

One cannot lull huge populations into complacent superstition without being pretty clever.

The man who invented Islam was “illiterate”. Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, was also "illiterate". Jesus was an uneducated peasant. Abraham was a sheep tender, and so on.

You wish to breed a culture that has a complete sheep-like response to authority? Have them pray towards Mecca 5 times a day as with Islam. Does this mean everyone who does such a thing is being brainwashed? No, there are other elements involved, but such repetition is a key requirement.

As far as I’m concerned, gods are invented for many reasons - mainly it's a survival technique. If you think about the environmental dynamics that go/went into building religions, the truth is they are so easy to build they can be done by most anyone.

Once you get a group of people to commit to your ideas, then it's a matter of surviving against attacks from those who believe in a competitive believe system. A great "for instance" is Scientology. It was literally borne out of a bet L. Ron Hubbard had where he predicted he could devise a religion and do as well as Jesus.

Well, he didn't but it really worked once he found his "nemesis" -- psychology. Painting psychology as a "demon art" against the far more "astute" Dianetics, Hubbard managed to ensnare millions who had had bad experiences with psychologists. Hubbard knew this and good lord, did he capitalize on it.

 

[Hollie]

more fruitful would be a discussion on How the Atheist Myth was created

But, atheism isn't a myth. It does not maintain that impossible things are real. It doesn't require a suspension of logic and science and intelligence.

Its a natural state of being.

lol....atheists have a myth that they're rational........

So… let's look at this from another perspective. When people say they believe in an entity that cannot be seen, cannot be felt, exists outside of the natural realm in an asserted supernatural realm, that has attributes we need to worship but cannot understand or even describe, who lives in eternity in both directions, who can create existence from nothing and is uncreated himself and uses methods and means we can never know or hope to understand, that stands outside proof which is exactly why it's for certain he exists-- I would say you thumpers need to examine your comments regarding rationality.

 

[Hollie]

Yes, let's artfully change the topic. The atheist myth. THE atheist myth, not any other myth. Not the Jesus, Mohammad or Buddha myths. Let's hear about atheist myths. Tell us all about them. Please.

"You shall have NO gods!"

.... except three gods.

 

[PostmodernProph]

But, atheism isn't a myth. It does not maintain that impossible things are real. It doesn't require a suspension of logic and science and intelligence.

Its a natural state of being.

lol....atheists have a myth that they're rational........

So… let's look at this from another perspective. When people say they believe in an entity that cannot be seen, cannot be felt, exists outside of the natural realm in an asserted supernatural realm, that has attributes we need to worship but cannot understand or even describe, who lives in eternity in both directions, who can create existence from nothing and is uncreated himself and uses methods and means we can never know or hope to understand, that stands outside proof which is exactly why it's for certain he exists-- I would say you thumpers need to examine your comments regarding rationality.

and I would say that for someone to argue it is irrational to believe something without proof and then to claim "there is no god" is a a rational conclusion, they are demonstrating the ultimate in the irrational.......

 

[PostmodernProph]

Yes, let's artfully change the topic. The atheist myth. THE atheist myth, not any other myth. Not the Jesus, Mohammad or Buddha myths. Let's hear about atheist myths. Tell us all about them. Please.

"You shall have NO gods!"

.... except three gods.

okay, I'm game for a bit of diversion.....which three gods does the atheist myth say you should have?.....

 

[Hollie]

lol....atheists have a myth that they're rational........

So… let's look at this from another perspective. When people say they believe in an entity that cannot be seen, cannot be felt, exists outside of the natural realm in an asserted supernatural realm, that has attributes we need to worship but cannot understand or even describe, who lives in eternity in both directions, who can create existence from nothing and is uncreated himself and uses methods and means we can never know or hope to understand, that stands outside proof which is exactly why it's for certain he exists-- I would say you thumpers need to examine your comments regarding rationality.

and I would say that for someone to argue it is irrational to believe something without proof and then to claim "there is no god" is a a rational conclusion, they are demonstrating the ultimate in the irrational.......

You're confused... as usual. I don't entirely dismiss the possibility of one or more gawds. I just find it laughable that you are the stereotypical believer who mindlessly and unquestioningly accepted a religious belief simply because it was the one they were given.

How odd is it that your belief in gawds presumes you must accept irrationality and absurdities.

 

[Hollie]

"You shall have NO gods!"

.... except three gods.

okay, I'm game for a bit of diversion.....which three gods does the atheist myth say you should have?.....

What atheist "myth" are you babbling about?

What religious myth places your gawds above the other gawds your gawds were fashioned after?

 

[PostmodernProph]

I don't entirely dismiss the possibility of one or more gawds.

/shrugs....well, if you aren't an atheist, don't take my criticism of them personally......

 

[PostmodernProph]

.... except three gods.

okay, I'm game for a bit of diversion.....which three gods does the atheist myth say you should have?.....

What atheist "myth" are you babbling about?

What religious myth places your gawds above the other gawds your gawds were fashioned after?

sorry Hollie.....apparently this is just one more argument that's gone beyond your ability to comprehend.....

 

[Hollie]

I don't entirely dismiss the possibility of one or more gawds.

/shrugs....well, if you aren't an atheist, don't take my criticism of them personally......

Why would anyone take your uneducated opinions personally?

 

[Hollie]

okay, I'm game for a bit of diversion.....which three gods does the atheist myth say you should have?.....

What atheist "myth" are you babbling about?

What religious myth places your gawds above the other gawds your gawds were fashioned after?

sorry Hollie.....apparently this is just one more argument that's gone beyond your ability to comprehend.....

Stuttering and mumbling when you're unable to offer a coherent comment suggests you should avoid participating.

 

[sealybobo]

Do you fear sites that might point out your religion is a lie?

no....I just get tired of sites that spout lies.....

What lies? You are the one who believes stories that can't possibly be true.

What lies? Why there is no god

 

[sealybobo]

A lot of the Jesus myth was a pretty good tale, but they went overboard when it came to the virgin birth. My understanding is that the Aramaic word that was translated to "Virgin" actually only meant "unmarried maiden".

/shrugs......another lying paste from an atheistsRus website.......some idiots will believe anything as long as its posted on an atheistsRus website.....

I/We agree 100% with those websites. Why should we take the time to write it out over and over and over when we have a great site where all our thoughts/beliefs are laid out for us to just cut and paste. This site has the rebuttal for every argument you have for why you believe in god.

Why there is no god

For example, why should I write all this when I can just cut and paste it?

There is no evidence to support any of the claims made in the Bible concerning the existence of a god. Any ‘evidence’ proposed by theists to support the Bible’s various historical and supernatural claims is non-existent at best, manufactured at worst.

The Bible is not self-authenticating; it is simply one of many religious texts. Like those others, it itself constitutes no evidence for the existence of a god. Its florid prose and fanciful content do not legitimise it nor distinguish it from other ancient works of literature.

The Bible is historically inaccurate [2], factually incorrect, inconsistent [2] and contradictory. It was artificially constructed by a group of men in antiquity and is poorly translated, heavily altered and selectively interpreted. Entire sections of the text have been redacted over time.

See also: Visualisation of Bible Contradictions (must read), Argument from the Bible, Criticisms of the Bible, Consistency of the Bible, A Compendium of Disbelief, Deconversion: The Bible and A History of God (both must watch), BBC The History of God.

Origins of the Bible: PBS Buried Secrets, CH4 Who wrote the Bible? (a must watch).

“Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” – Isaac Asimov
Biblical Jesus was real.

There is no contemporary evidence for Jesus’ existence or the Bible’s account of his life; no artefacts, dwellings, works of carpentry, self-written manuscripts, court records, eyewitness testimony, official diaries, birth records, reflections on his significance or written disputes about his teachings. Nothing survives from the time in which he is said to have lived.

All historical references to Jesus derive from hearsay accounts written decades or centuries after his supposed death. These historical references generally refer to early Christians rather than a historical Jesus and, in some cases, directly contradict the Gospels or were deliberately manufactured.

The Gospels themselves contradict one-another [2] on many key events and were constructed by unknown authors up to a century after the events they describe are said to have occurred. They are not eyewitness accounts. The New Testament, as a whole, contains many internal inconsistencies as a result of its piecemeal construction and is factually incorrect on several historical claims, such as the early existence of Nazareth, the reign of Herod and the Roman census. Like the Old Testament, it too has had entire books and sections redacted.

The Biblical account of Jesus has striking similarities with other mythologies and texts and many of his supposed teachings existed prior to his time. It is likely the character was either partly or entirely invented [2] by competing first century messianic cults from an amalgamation of Greco-Roman, Egyptian and Judeo-Apocalyptic myths and prophecies.

Even if Jesus’ existence could be established, this would in no way validate Christian theology or any element of the story portrayed in the Bible, such as the performance of miracles or the resurrection. Simply because it is conceivable a heretical Jewish preacher named Yeshua lived circa 30 AD, had followers and was executed, does not imply the son of a god walked the Earth at that time.

The motivation for belief in a divine, salvational Jesus breaks down when you accept evolution:

 

[sealybobo]

okay, I'm game for a bit of diversion.....which three gods does the atheist myth say you should have?.....

What atheist "myth" are you babbling about?

What religious myth places your gawds above the other gawds your gawds were fashioned after?

sorry Hollie.....apparently this is just one more argument that's gone beyond your ability to comprehend.....

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes. The majority of things we can possibly imagine do not exist. Thus, belief is not as valid a position as skepticism when dealing with unsupported or unfalsifiable claims. Agnostic atheism is the most rational position.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Jesus loves me. yes, I know. 'Cause the Bible tells me so.
I have a talking Bible, you see.

 

[sealybobo]

lol....atheists have a myth that they're rational........

So… let's look at this from another perspective. When people say they believe in an entity that cannot be seen, cannot be felt, exists outside of the natural realm in an asserted supernatural realm, that has attributes we need to worship but cannot understand or even describe, who lives in eternity in both directions, who can create existence from nothing and is uncreated himself and uses methods and means we can never know or hope to understand, that stands outside proof which is exactly why it's for certain he exists-- I would say you thumpers need to examine your comments regarding rationality.

and I would say that for someone to argue it is irrational to believe something without proof and then to claim "there is no god" is a a rational conclusion, they are demonstrating the ultimate in the irrational.......

That's why most atheists say Agnostic Atheism is the most rational position to have. We don't know what is on the other side of black holes but the fact is my friend, neither do you guys. To say you know a god is on the other side makes you crazy. We understand the chances of there being a god are slim to nill. He has never talked to anyone, miracles don't happen and every religion on earth is made up by man. So without any proof of a god, the most rational position to have is there probably isn't a god but we will remain open to the possibility if any proof is ever given.

There is no evidence to support any of the claims made in the Bible concerning the existence of a god. Any ‘evidence’ proposed by theists to support the Bible’s various historical and supernatural claims is non-existent at best, manufactured at worst.

The Bible is historically inaccurate, factually incorrect, inconsistent and contradictory. It was artificially constructed by a group of men in antiquity and is poorly translated, heavily altered and selectively interpreted. Entire sections of the text have been redacted over time.

There is no contemporary evidence for Jesus’ existence or the Bible’s account of his life; no artefacts, dwellings, works of carpentry, self-written manuscripts, court records, eyewitness testimony, official diaries, birth records, reflections on his significance or written disputes about his teachings. Nothing survives from the time in which he is said to have lived.

All historical references to Jesus derive from hearsay accounts written decades or centuries after his supposed death.

So since every religion are made up fairy tales, what other "EVIDENCE" do you have besides those lies? None?

The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes. The majority of things we can possibly imagine do not exist. Thus, belief is not as valid a position as skepticism when dealing with unsupported or unfalsifiable claims. Agnostic atheism is the most rational position.

 

[PostmodernProph]

Do you fear sites that might point out your religion is a lie?

no....I just get tired of sites that spout lies.....

What lies?

the ones you've linked to from time to time....I've pointed them out as they showed up, no reason to pretend you don't know......