How the Republican Government shutdown works

[kaz]

Yes, you conservatives suck at math and history, I agree with that. When did Republicans "take credit" for the money the incompetent Obama spent shutting down government? I don't remember when you did that. But if you say so, you probably did. At least you are now. Conservatives are idiots, stop listening to Faux News and believing whatever they tell you

Conservatives are idiots and bad with math and history?

Liberals pretty much agree that the economy started going south under Bush his last 2 years in his final term in office. THIS was the economic decline Obama and Liberals claim Obama 'inherited'. Liberals also pretty much agree that whoever controls Congress controls the purse strings, and therefore the economy / budget as well....unless it is THEY who control Congress / the purse strings.

During Bush's 1st 6 years in office 9/11 occurred, the economic aftermath of 9/11 happened, and 2 wars were fought. No 'economic decline' was experienced, but approx. 2 1/2 Trillion was added to the debt...in 6 (SIX YEARS)...during a time when there was a pretty close split in Congress. (2 1/2 trillion in 6 years in approx. 1/3rd of the debt Obama added in his 1st 4 years!)

Democrats secured a Super-Majority Control of Congress, controlling the purse strings / budget the last 2 years of Bush's administration...during which time the Liberals say the economy started going south. During this 1 1/2 - 2 year period another 1 1/2 TRILLION was added to the debt...in only 2 years. WHAT was the difference between Bush's 1st 6 years and his last 2? Oh yeah, Democrats took over Congress! They held this Super Majority control of Congress through the end of Obama's 2nd year in office.

The economic decline Obama claims to have inherited came from 2 years of Liberal control of the budget and 2 more years of horrendous fiscal irresponsibility. For instance, while supposedly in a declining economy Obama and the Liberals passed the tremendously FAILED Stimulus bill, a nearly $1 TRILLION addition to the nation's debt in one shot that contained over 7,000 pieces of DNC-ONLY pork, continued such horrible programs as 'Cash for Clunkers' that ended up hurting the economy/poor & middle class families, and ended up costing OVER $742,000 PER JOB Obama claimed to have created / saved!

In Obama's 1st 4 years he set US records for 'monthly', 'annual', and 'total' deficit spending - adding over $6 trillion to the US debt in ONLY 4 years, more debt added than by EVERY US President from Washington to Bush COMBINED, single-handedly securing the 1st US Credit rating down-grade by refusing to accept more budget cuts to prove he was serious about reducing the deficit as he was warned, and added a record number of job-creation / business-strangling regulations.

These are DOCUMENTED, HISTORICAL FACTS which speak for themselves. Responding with opinion or personal attacks do not effect me at all because you are arguing with these documented history / facts, not me.

The final statistical and historical fact is that Obama is ARGUABLY the worst President in US history. Personally, though, I would award that title to the racist LBJ, the man who started the whole liberal program of 'Economic Slavery' that has been used to oppress blacks, ensure more and more Americans remain UN-successful and dependent on the government, and that they continue to vote for the liberal politicians who will keep the 'free' money and handouts flowing.

Democrats never had a super majority in Congress under Bush ....EVER
Bush blocked any legislative effort from the Democrats. You are welcome to post any legislation pushed through by the Democrats that caused an economic meltdown

Republicans never had a super majority under Bush either, which means they needed to make an agreement. The Democrats were zero compromise, gimme my way

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans held the Majority in the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate.

When bush43 was assumed office in January 2001, there were Repubican Majorities in both the House and the Senate.

Republicans Lost those majorities in 2008.

Some of us actually know the truth, your NOT one of them.

I didn't say "majority," Holmes, I said "super majority." They are entirely different things. You know, like Obama had for six months and how he got Obamacare through. That and Reid/Pelosi changing the rules midstream and Roberts rewriting the Constitution ... twice ...

 

[Oldstyle]

I'm pretty sure Nancy Pelosi was named first female Speaker of the House in 2006. That only happens if the Democrats control the House. Doh!

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

What is this "our veterans" crap! We aren't your pawns to be used again and again when you want to pull us out of the drawer to display your "concern" and faux "patriotism". During President Obama's time in office, more has been done in correcting the enormous problems with and within the VA, both VHA (health side) and VBA (benefits side), left over from the Bush & Co administration. Bush flat fucking IGNORED veterans, fool~! Now stuff your neoconservative talking points and learn something, smack!!!!

More has been TALKED ABOUT, given LIP SEFVICE TO under Obama. Under Obama vets have been, and continue to be, left to DIE waiting on appointments/treatment while Obama administration toadies paid themselves well and gave themselves big fat bonuses while hiding the truth!

So you like FACTS?! Here are some for you....

“Nearly One-Third Of 847,000 Vets With Pending Applications For VA Health Care Already Died.”

Obama’s abuse of our military veterans continues, unabated and unchecked by the useless Congress.

As of Jul 21, 2015:
It has been over a year since we learned that the Veterans Administration (VA) doctored records to cover up long wait times while veterans died waiting for care. Yet, under Obama’s watch, problems are still rampant at the agency. Consider the following:
- About 238,000 veterans, nearly one out of three veterans, with pending applications for VA healthcare has already died.

- Wait lists for veterans are 50% higher than a year ago.

- At least $6 Billion a year have been wasted on illegal contracts for medical care & supplies. (senior VA official, Jan R. Frye writes: “Doors are swung wide open for fraud, waste and abuse… I can state without reservation that VA has and continues to waste millions of dollars by paying excessive prices for goods and services due to breaches of Federal laws [also known as CRIMES].” )

- Only two employees have been fired for the fraud and neglect uncovered last year.

Fuck you worm. I've been living through this shit since 2008, when I initiated my first claim as a Nam vet! All of those issues BEGAN to evolve as early as 2002 with the VA reporting that over 300,000 vets had been put on waiting lists or been forced to wait up to six months for an appointment with the new crop of vets just starting to trickle in from Afghanistan. Bush & Co started a war and either didn't think about the casualties that would be created or simply didn't care and turned their backs on those vets. Look at the funding the VA got before the Walter Reed scandal in 2006 and then afterwards! OOPS!

You can spread those headlines above from pillar to post, but they have no bearing on the root cause of the problem, which was indifference towards vets by previous administrations but primarily by the administrations that took so many beautiful young people to war in far away lands like Bush in Kuwait and Bush & Co in Iraq!

As far as the two that were fired, Obama should have fired Sec. McDonald last Spring! I'm all for holding Obama's feet to the fire for his mistakes and transgressions! That is the general consensus in the vet world. Obama has his own dirty linen in this matter, but the ROOT FUCKING CAUSE for the ongoing VA cluster fuck that has been going on since 2001 got steadily worse until it finally peaked around 2011. That goes for both sides of the VA house! Hell, I'm in the Phoenix area now, with a Sep 28 appointment I requested 7 weeks ago. Don't believe everything you read in the papers, lad! There's facts, lies and VA facts. The biggest lies are VA facts!

Take your fucking partisan headlines and shove them sideways up your gaping sphincter, because you don't know Jack Shit about the issue, and all you care about is your stinking partisanship!

 

[Oldstyle]

What is this "our veterans" crap! We aren't your pawns to be used again and again when you want to pull us out of the drawer to display your "concern" and faux "patriotism". During President Obama's time in office, more has been done in correcting the enormous problems with and within the VA, both VHA (health side) and VBA (benefits side), left over from the Bush & Co administration. Bush flat fucking IGNORED veterans, fool~! Now stuff your neoconservative talking points and learn something, smack!!!!

More has been TALKED ABOUT, given LIP SEFVICE TO under Obama. Under Obama vets have been, and continue to be, left to DIE waiting on appointments/treatment while Obama administration toadies paid themselves well and gave themselves big fat bonuses while hiding the truth!

So you like FACTS?! Here are some for you....

“Nearly One-Third Of 847,000 Vets With Pending Applications For VA Health Care Already Died.”

Obama’s abuse of our military veterans continues, unabated and unchecked by the useless Congress.

As of Jul 21, 2015:
It has been over a year since we learned that the Veterans Administration (VA) doctored records to cover up long wait times while veterans died waiting for care. Yet, under Obama’s watch, problems are still rampant at the agency. Consider the following:
- About 238,000 veterans, nearly one out of three veterans, with pending applications for VA healthcare has already died.

- Wait lists for veterans are 50% higher than a year ago.

- At least $6 Billion a year have been wasted on illegal contracts for medical care & supplies. (senior VA official, Jan R. Frye writes: “Doors are swung wide open for fraud, waste and abuse… I can state without reservation that VA has and continues to waste millions of dollars by paying excessive prices for goods and services due to breaches of Federal laws [also known as CRIMES].” )

- Only two employees have been fired for the fraud and neglect uncovered last year.

Fuck you worm. I've been living through this shit since 2008, when I initiated my first claim as a Nam vet! All of those issues BEGAN to evolve as early as 2002 with the VA reporting that over 300,000 vets had been put on waiting lists or been forced to wait up to six months for an appointment with the new crop of vets just starting to trickle in from Afghanistan. Bush & Co started a war and either didn't think about the casualties that would be created or simply didn't care and turned their backs on those vets. Look at the funding the VA got before the Walter Reed scandal in 2006 and then afterwards! OOPS!

You can spread those headlines above from pillar to post, but they have no bearing on the root cause of the problem, which was indifference towards vets by previous administrations but primarily by the administrations that took so many beautiful young people to war in far away lands like Bush in Kuwait and Bush & Co in Iraq!

As far as the two that were fired, Obama should have fired Sec. McDonald last Spring! I'm all for holding Obama's feet to the fire for his mistakes and transgressions! That is the general consensus in the vet world. Obama has his own dirty linen in this matter, but the ROOT FUCKING CAUSE for the ongoing VA cluster fuck that has been going on since 2001 got steadily worse until it finally peaked around 2011. That goes for both sides of the VA house! Hell, I'm in the Phoenix area now, with a Sep 28 appointment I requested 7 weeks ago. Don't believe everything you read in the papers, lad! There's facts, lies and VA facts. The biggest lies are VA facts!

Take your fucking partisan headlines and shove them sideways up your gaping sphincter, because you don't know Jack Shit about the issue, and all you care about is your stinking partisanship!

I have no doubt that the VA is a cluster fuck because it's run by the government! That's why I'm so happy that my healthcare isn't! Oh wait...I forgot that's no longer the case! I'm now on ObamaCare. Gosh...how lucky for me!

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

There is no need for security at the ww2 monument. Obama hates our veterans and this proved how much.

What is this "our veterans" crap! We aren't your pawns to be used again and again when you want to pull us out of the drawer to display your "concern" and faux "patriotism". During President Obama's time in office, more has been done in correcting the enormous problems with and within the VA, both VHA (health side) and VBA (benefits side), left over from the Bush & Co administration. Bush flat fucking IGNORED veterans, fool~! Now stuff your neoconservative talking points and learn something, smack!!!!

Link?

Link to what? Do your own workI Ya wantta interview me? Call my aide!

 

[easyt65]

Fuck you worm....Take your fucking partisan headlines and shove them sideways up your gaping sphincter, because you don't know Jack Shit about the issue, and all you care about is your stinking partisanship!

1st TC, you don't know me, don't know what I am concerned about, and just proved you sure as hail $u@K at trying to speak for me. Not that I have to prove anything to you, but I am a vet as well, and I have personal experience with the broken, highly political, STILL non-correct functioning VA.

2ndly, you don't have a problem with me...you have a problem with the FACTS I presented. That's your problem, as I don't have to deal with your denial and B$.

3rd, thank you for the demonstration of intolerance, name-calling, and personal attacks when your personal opinion and delusions are challenged. Sorry, in an intellectual debate / discussion, the 1st one to resort to such tactics proves they are not up to the challenge. There are no participation trophies here - you lose.

BTW, until Liberals began ramming Political Correctness down everyone's throats and adopting the tolerance of ISIS, it used to be perfectly fine to agree to disagree. People like you have forgotten that and feel, as you demonstrated, others and their opposing views bust be berated, attacked, and destroyed, that there is no room for differing views. Good luck with that. I refuse to accept that or play by your edicts.

Have a nice day.

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, you conservatives suck at math and history, I agree with that. When did Republicans "take credit" for the money the incompetent Obama spent shutting down government? I don't remember when you did that. But if you say so, you probably did. At least you are now. Conservatives are idiots, stop listening to Faux News and believing whatever they tell you

Conservatives are idiots and bad with math and history?

Liberals pretty much agree that the economy started going south under Bush his last 2 years in his final term in office. THIS was the economic decline Obama and Liberals claim Obama 'inherited'. Liberals also pretty much agree that whoever controls Congress controls the purse strings, and therefore the economy / budget as well....unless it is THEY who control Congress / the purse strings.

During Bush's 1st 6 years in office 9/11 occurred, the economic aftermath of 9/11 happened, and 2 wars were fought. No 'economic decline' was experienced, but approx. 2 1/2 Trillion was added to the debt...in 6 (SIX YEARS)...during a time when there was a pretty close split in Congress. (2 1/2 trillion in 6 years in approx. 1/3rd of the debt Obama added in his 1st 4 years!)

Democrats secured a Super-Majority Control of Congress, controlling the purse strings / budget the last 2 years of Bush's administration...during which time the Liberals say the economy started going south. During this 1 1/2 - 2 year period another 1 1/2 TRILLION was added to the debt...in only 2 years. WHAT was the difference between Bush's 1st 6 years and his last 2? Oh yeah, Democrats took over Congress! They held this Super Majority control of Congress through the end of Obama's 2nd year in office.

The economic decline Obama claims to have inherited came from 2 years of Liberal control of the budget and 2 more years of horrendous fiscal irresponsibility. For instance, while supposedly in a declining economy Obama and the Liberals passed the tremendously FAILED Stimulus bill, a nearly $1 TRILLION addition to the nation's debt in one shot that contained over 7,000 pieces of DNC-ONLY pork, continued such horrible programs as 'Cash for Clunkers' that ended up hurting the economy/poor & middle class families, and ended up costing OVER $742,000 PER JOB Obama claimed to have created / saved!

In Obama's 1st 4 years he set US records for 'monthly', 'annual', and 'total' deficit spending - adding over $6 trillion to the US debt in ONLY 4 years, more debt added than by EVERY US President from Washington to Bush COMBINED, single-handedly securing the 1st US Credit rating down-grade by refusing to accept more budget cuts to prove he was serious about reducing the deficit as he was warned, and added a record number of job-creation / business-strangling regulations.

These are DOCUMENTED, HISTORICAL FACTS which speak for themselves. Responding with opinion or personal attacks do not effect me at all because you are arguing with these documented history / facts, not me.

The final statistical and historical fact is that Obama is ARGUABLY the worst President in US history. Personally, though, I would award that title to the racist LBJ, the man who started the whole liberal program of 'Economic Slavery' that has been used to oppress blacks, ensure more and more Americans remain UN-successful and dependent on the government, and that they continue to vote for the liberal politicians who will keep the 'free' money and handouts flowing.

Democrats never had a super majority in Congress under Bush ....EVER
Bush blocked any legislative effort from the Democrats. You are welcome to post any legislation pushed through by the Democrats that caused an economic meltdown

Republicans never had a super majority under Bush either, which means they needed to make an agreement. The Democrats were zero compromise, gimme my way

You must have completely missed out on the Bush era

Yes the Democrats compromised. In fact, they gave Bush a 9-11 card where he could get any legislation he wanted passed in the name of fighting terrorism. He even got the wars he asked for
When the economy crashed during the Great Bush Recession of 2008, Democrats gave him stimulus funding, TARP and auto company and bank bailouts....When Obama came in and asked for the same thing....not a single Republican voted for it

Considering that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid drew up the Obama Stimulus behind closed doors with no GOP input and it was filled with Democratic pork is that really a shock? It wasn't REALLY the same as what Bush asked for to address the recession. I believe in fact that 3 Republicans voted for it anyways. Snow, Collins and Arlen Spector (before he changed parties?)

Democrats compromised with Bush
Republicans refused to compromise with Obama

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Fuck you worm....Take your fucking partisan headlines and shove them sideways up your gaping sphincter, because you don't know Jack Shit about the issue, and all you care about is your stinking partisanship!

1st TC, you don't know me, don't know what I am concerned about, and just proved you sure as hail $u@K at trying to speak for me. Not that I have to prove anything to you, but I am a vet as well, and I have personal experience with the broken, highly political, STILL non-correct functioning VA.

2ndly, you don't have a problem with me...you have a problem with the FACTS I presented. That's your problem, as I don't have to deal with your denial and B$.

3rd, thank you for the demonstration of intolerance, name-calling, and personal attacks when your personal opinion and delusions are challenged. Sorry, in an intellectual debate / discussion, the 1st one to resort to such tactics proves they are not up to the challenge. There are no participation trophies here - you lose.

BTW, until Liberals began ramming Political Correctness down everyone's throats and adopting the tolerance of ISIS, it used to be perfectly fine to agree to disagree. People like you have forgotten that and feel, as you demonstrated, others and their opposing views bust be berated, attacked, and destroyed, that there is no room for differing views. Good luck with that. I refuse to accept that or play by your edicts.

Have a nice day.

Nice edit on my post you cited. Only the first line and the last line, leaving all the pertinent facts I wrote about out of your reply! That dance away from the topic and the content of my response displays, in spades, you are unable to counter the argument and wish to spend this post to simply denigrate your opponent. You're so bloody transparent, smack!

You have the audacity to write, "Sorry, in an intellectual debate / discussion, the 1st one to resort to such tactics proves they are not up to the challenge." It was your post, to which I responded, that opened with the BS flag going up and down, remember? You're a hypocrite, and if a loser there must be that would be you! Don't try to elevate yourself and display such hypocrisy at the same damn time, FOOL! It's GLARINGLY OBVIOUS!

If you're a vet as you claim and have been through the system, as you also claim, then you would know that every damn thing I wrote was true! What you claim as facts are a very poor representation of the totality of the truth and only a deflection employed to present your partisan credentials for your own partisan purposes. You're nothing but a partisan hack, a hypocrite, and a useful idiot. Ta Ta me hardy!

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

What is this "our veterans" crap! We aren't your pawns to be used again and again when you want to pull us out of the drawer to display your "concern" and faux "patriotism". During President Obama's time in office, more has been done in correcting the enormous problems with and within the VA, both VHA (health side) and VBA (benefits side), left over from the Bush & Co administration. Bush flat fucking IGNORED veterans, fool~! Now stuff your neoconservative talking points and learn something, smack!!!!

More has been TALKED ABOUT, given LIP SEFVICE TO under Obama. Under Obama vets have been, and continue to be, left to DIE waiting on appointments/treatment while Obama administration toadies paid themselves well and gave themselves big fat bonuses while hiding the truth!

So you like FACTS?! Here are some for you....

“Nearly One-Third Of 847,000 Vets With Pending Applications For VA Health Care Already Died.”

Obama’s abuse of our military veterans continues, unabated and unchecked by the useless Congress.

As of Jul 21, 2015:
It has been over a year since we learned that the Veterans Administration (VA) doctored records to cover up long wait times while veterans died waiting for care. Yet, under Obama’s watch, problems are still rampant at the agency. Consider the following:
- About 238,000 veterans, nearly one out of three veterans, with pending applications for VA healthcare has already died.

- Wait lists for veterans are 50% higher than a year ago.

- At least $6 Billion a year have been wasted on illegal contracts for medical care & supplies. (senior VA official, Jan R. Frye writes: “Doors are swung wide open for fraud, waste and abuse… I can state without reservation that VA has and continues to waste millions of dollars by paying excessive prices for goods and services due to breaches of Federal laws [also known as CRIMES].” )

- Only two employees have been fired for the fraud and neglect uncovered last year.

Fuck you worm. I've been living through this shit since 2008, when I initiated my first claim as a Nam vet! All of those issues BEGAN to evolve as early as 2002 with the VA reporting that over 300,000 vets had been put on waiting lists or been forced to wait up to six months for an appointment with the new crop of vets just starting to trickle in from Afghanistan. Bush & Co started a war and either didn't think about the casualties that would be created or simply didn't care and turned their backs on those vets. Look at the funding the VA got before the Walter Reed scandal in 2006 and then afterwards! OOPS!

You can spread those headlines above from pillar to post, but they have no bearing on the root cause of the problem, which was indifference towards vets by previous administrations but primarily by the administrations that took so many beautiful young people to war in far away lands like Bush in Kuwait and Bush & Co in Iraq!

As far as the two that were fired, Obama should have fired Sec. McDonald last Spring! I'm all for holding Obama's feet to the fire for his mistakes and transgressions! That is the general consensus in the vet world. Obama has his own dirty linen in this matter, but the ROOT FUCKING CAUSE for the ongoing VA cluster fuck that has been going on since 2001 got steadily worse until it finally peaked around 2011. That goes for both sides of the VA house! Hell, I'm in the Phoenix area now, with a Sep 28 appointment I requested 7 weeks ago. Don't believe everything you read in the papers, lad! There's facts, lies and VA facts. The biggest lies are VA facts!

Take your fucking partisan headlines and shove them sideways up your gaping sphincter, because you don't know Jack Shit about the issue, and all you care about is your stinking partisanship!

I have no doubt that the VA is a cluster fuck because it's run by the government! That's why I'm so happy that my healthcare isn't! Oh wait...I forgot that's no longer the case! I'm now on ObamaCare. Gosh...how lucky for me!

And your point is you wander off topic to display your partisanship? How original!

 

[Dad2three]

Yes, you conservatives suck at math and history, I agree with that. When did Republicans "take credit" for the money the incompetent Obama spent shutting down government? I don't remember when you did that. But if you say so, you probably did. At least you are now. Conservatives are idiots, stop listening to Faux News and believing whatever they tell you

Conservatives are idiots and bad with math and history?

Liberals pretty much agree that the economy started going south under Bush his last 2 years in his final term in office. THIS was the economic decline Obama and Liberals claim Obama 'inherited'. Liberals also pretty much agree that whoever controls Congress controls the purse strings, and therefore the economy / budget as well....unless it is THEY who control Congress / the purse strings.

During Bush's 1st 6 years in office 9/11 occurred, the economic aftermath of 9/11 happened, and 2 wars were fought. No 'economic decline' was experienced, but approx. 2 1/2 Trillion was added to the debt...in 6 (SIX YEARS)...during a time when there was a pretty close split in Congress. (2 1/2 trillion in 6 years in approx. 1/3rd of the debt Obama added in his 1st 4 years!)

Democrats secured a Super-Majority Control of Congress, controlling the purse strings / budget the last 2 years of Bush's administration...during which time the Liberals say the economy started going south. During this 1 1/2 - 2 year period another 1 1/2 TRILLION was added to the debt...in only 2 years. WHAT was the difference between Bush's 1st 6 years and his last 2? Oh yeah, Democrats took over Congress! They held this Super Majority control of Congress through the end of Obama's 2nd year in office.

The economic decline Obama claims to have inherited came from 2 years of Liberal control of the budget and 2 more years of horrendous fiscal irresponsibility. For instance, while supposedly in a declining economy Obama and the Liberals passed the tremendously FAILED Stimulus bill, a nearly $1 TRILLION addition to the nation's debt in one shot that contained over 7,000 pieces of DNC-ONLY pork, continued such horrible programs as 'Cash for Clunkers' that ended up hurting the economy/poor & middle class families, and ended up costing OVER $742,000 PER JOB Obama claimed to have created / saved!

In Obama's 1st 4 years he set US records for 'monthly', 'annual', and 'total' deficit spending - adding over $6 trillion to the US debt in ONLY 4 years, more debt added than by EVERY US President from Washington to Bush COMBINED, single-handedly securing the 1st US Credit rating down-grade by refusing to accept more budget cuts to prove he was serious about reducing the deficit as he was warned, and added a record number of job-creation / business-strangling regulations.

These are DOCUMENTED, HISTORICAL FACTS which speak for themselves. Responding with opinion or personal attacks do not effect me at all because you are arguing with these documented history / facts, not me.

The final statistical and historical fact is that Obama is ARGUABLY the worst President in US history. Personally, though, I would award that title to the racist LBJ, the man who started the whole liberal program of 'Economic Slavery' that has been used to oppress blacks, ensure more and more Americans remain UN-successful and dependent on the government, and that they continue to vote for the liberal politicians who will keep the 'free' money and handouts flowing.

Dad is a liberal, I'm a libertarian. He keeps calling me a conservative because he's fucking stupid, so I keep calling him a conservative because he's fucking stupid. Playground is as deep as he gets.

As for W and Obama, they have followed the same path in the middle east, they are both tax and spend fiscal liberals. Tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to

Sorry Bubba, you Randian fetishists are as FARRRRR right as you can get on economic policy, which we are talking about!

 

[Dad2three]

Yes, you conservatives suck at math and history, I agree with that. When did Republicans "take credit" for the money the incompetent Obama spent shutting down government? I don't remember when you did that. But if you say so, you probably did. At least you are now. Conservatives are idiots, stop listening to Faux News and believing whatever they tell you

Conservatives are idiots and bad with math and history?

Liberals pretty much agree that the economy started going south under Bush his last 2 years in his final term in office. THIS was the economic decline Obama and Liberals claim Obama 'inherited'. Liberals also pretty much agree that whoever controls Congress controls the purse strings, and therefore the economy / budget as well....unless it is THEY who control Congress / the purse strings.

During Bush's 1st 6 years in office 9/11 occurred, the economic aftermath of 9/11 happened, and 2 wars were fought. No 'economic decline' was experienced, but approx. 2 1/2 Trillion was added to the debt...in 6 (SIX YEARS)...during a time when there was a pretty close split in Congress. (2 1/2 trillion in 6 years in approx. 1/3rd of the debt Obama added in his 1st 4 years!)

Democrats secured a Super-Majority Control of Congress, controlling the purse strings / budget the last 2 years of Bush's administration...during which time the Liberals say the economy started going south. During this 1 1/2 - 2 year period another 1 1/2 TRILLION was added to the debt...in only 2 years. WHAT was the difference between Bush's 1st 6 years and his last 2? Oh yeah, Democrats took over Congress! They held this Super Majority control of Congress through the end of Obama's 2nd year in office.

The economic decline Obama claims to have inherited came from 2 years of Liberal control of the budget and 2 more years of horrendous fiscal irresponsibility. For instance, while supposedly in a declining economy Obama and the Liberals passed the tremendously FAILED Stimulus bill, a nearly $1 TRILLION addition to the nation's debt in one shot that contained over 7,000 pieces of DNC-ONLY pork, continued such horrible programs as 'Cash for Clunkers' that ended up hurting the economy/poor & middle class families, and ended up costing OVER $742,000 PER JOB Obama claimed to have created / saved!

In Obama's 1st 4 years he set US records for 'monthly', 'annual', and 'total' deficit spending - adding over $6 trillion to the US debt in ONLY 4 years, more debt added than by EVERY US President from Washington to Bush COMBINED, single-handedly securing the 1st US Credit rating down-grade by refusing to accept more budget cuts to prove he was serious about reducing the deficit as he was warned, and added a record number of job-creation / business-strangling regulations.

These are DOCUMENTED, HISTORICAL FACTS which speak for themselves. Responding with opinion or personal attacks do not effect me at all because you are arguing with these documented history / facts, not me.

The final statistical and historical fact is that Obama is ARGUABLY the worst President in US history. Personally, though, I would award that title to the racist LBJ, the man who started the whole liberal program of 'Economic Slavery' that has been used to oppress blacks, ensure more and more Americans remain UN-successful and dependent on the government, and that they continue to vote for the liberal politicians who will keep the 'free' money and handouts flowing.

Democrats never had a super majority in Congress under Bush ....EVER
Bush blocked any legislative effort from the Democrats. You are welcome to post any legislation pushed through by the Democrats that caused an economic meltdown

Republicans never had a super majority under Bush either, which means they needed to make an agreement. The Democrats were zero compromise, gimme my way

Yet Dubya was able to get 2 UNFUNDED TAX CUTS, 2 UNFUNDED WARS, UNFUNDED MEDICARE EXPANSION, AND A BILL TO GET BETWEEN A MAN AND HIS WIFE (SCHIAVO), BUT DEMS DON'T COMPROMISE? lol

 

[Dad2three]

Yes, you conservatives suck at math and history, I agree with that. When did Republicans "take credit" for the money the incompetent Obama spent shutting down government? I don't remember when you did that. But if you say so, you probably did. At least you are now. Conservatives are idiots, stop listening to Faux News and believing whatever they tell you

Conservatives are idiots and bad with math and history?

Liberals pretty much agree that the economy started going south under Bush his last 2 years in his final term in office. THIS was the economic decline Obama and Liberals claim Obama 'inherited'. Liberals also pretty much agree that whoever controls Congress controls the purse strings, and therefore the economy / budget as well....unless it is THEY who control Congress / the purse strings.

During Bush's 1st 6 years in office 9/11 occurred, the economic aftermath of 9/11 happened, and 2 wars were fought. No 'economic decline' was experienced, but approx. 2 1/2 Trillion was added to the debt...in 6 (SIX YEARS)...during a time when there was a pretty close split in Congress. (2 1/2 trillion in 6 years in approx. 1/3rd of the debt Obama added in his 1st 4 years!)

Democrats secured a Super-Majority Control of Congress, controlling the purse strings / budget the last 2 years of Bush's administration...during which time the Liberals say the economy started going south. During this 1 1/2 - 2 year period another 1 1/2 TRILLION was added to the debt...in only 2 years. WHAT was the difference between Bush's 1st 6 years and his last 2? Oh yeah, Democrats took over Congress! They held this Super Majority control of Congress through the end of Obama's 2nd year in office.

The economic decline Obama claims to have inherited came from 2 years of Liberal control of the budget and 2 more years of horrendous fiscal irresponsibility. For instance, while supposedly in a declining economy Obama and the Liberals passed the tremendously FAILED Stimulus bill, a nearly $1 TRILLION addition to the nation's debt in one shot that contained over 7,000 pieces of DNC-ONLY pork, continued such horrible programs as 'Cash for Clunkers' that ended up hurting the economy/poor & middle class families, and ended up costing OVER $742,000 PER JOB Obama claimed to have created / saved!

In Obama's 1st 4 years he set US records for 'monthly', 'annual', and 'total' deficit spending - adding over $6 trillion to the US debt in ONLY 4 years, more debt added than by EVERY US President from Washington to Bush COMBINED, single-handedly securing the 1st US Credit rating down-grade by refusing to accept more budget cuts to prove he was serious about reducing the deficit as he was warned, and added a record number of job-creation / business-strangling regulations.

These are DOCUMENTED, HISTORICAL FACTS which speak for themselves. Responding with opinion or personal attacks do not effect me at all because you are arguing with these documented history / facts, not me.

The final statistical and historical fact is that Obama is ARGUABLY the worst President in US history. Personally, though, I would award that title to the racist LBJ, the man who started the whole liberal program of 'Economic Slavery' that has been used to oppress blacks, ensure more and more Americans remain UN-successful and dependent on the government, and that they continue to vote for the liberal politicians who will keep the 'free' money and handouts flowing.

So NO you can't present ANY bills the Dems passed 2007-2009 to change Dubya/GOP policy that created Dubya's recession. Thanks

Hint Ronnie Raygun TRIPLED every other US Prez debt AND Dubya doubled every other US POrez debt (while he lost 1+ million PRIVATE sector jobs).. lol

I said W was the same as Obama, moron. As for Reagan, tax receipts doubled under him and the majority of spending increases were actually Tip and the Democrats. Double wasn't enough for them

You mean when Ronnie GUTTED taxes for the rich but KINDA made up for some of it with his 11 tax increases on the poor/middle class?



Tax receipts doubled? Weird taking US from 20% of GDP to 17% is doubling, you know how ECONOMISTS measure it, not the static dollar figure right wingers WANT to use that doesn't adjust for inflation/pop growth!


Reagan Chief Economist Feldstein: "It's Not That You Get More Revenue By Lowering Tax Rates, It Is That You Don't Lose As Much."

Feldstein In 1986: "Hyperbole" That Reagan Tax Cut "Would Actually Increase Tax Revenue."

Conservative Economist Holtz-Eakin: "No Serious Research Evidence" Suggests Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."

Tax Foundation's Prante: "A Stretch" To Claim "Cutting Capital Gains Taxes Raises Tax Revenues."

Bush CEA Chair Mankiw: Claim That Broad-Based Income Tax Cuts Increase Revenue Is Not "Credible," Capital Income Tax Cuts Also Don't Pay For Themselves

Bush-Appointed Federal Reserve Chair Bernanke: "I Don't Think That As A General Rule Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."


Bush Treasury Secretary Paulson: "As A General Rule, I Don't Believe That Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."


Bush CEA Chairman Lazear: "As A General Rule, We Do Not Think Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."


Bush Economic Adviser Viard: "Federal Revenue Is Lower Today Than It Would Have Been Without The Tax Cuts."


Bush Treasury Official Carroll: "We Do Not Think Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."

TIP? Oh you mean the GOP Senate...

 

[Dad2three]

Probably. That's why they put barricades around the monuments. To protect them during the shutdown.

Right, because people who will destroy stone and metal monuments wouldn't hop a plastic barricade to do it. You actually are a rocket scientist, aren't you?

Remember how the doofus in the Oval Office spent $64 billion more shutting government down than it would have cost to operate it?

MUST be some CONservative "math and history" crap

GOP PROUDLY TOOK CREDIT HOWEVER, REMEMBER??? lol

Yes, you conservatives suck at math and history, I agree with that. When did Republicans "take credit" for the money the incompetent Obama spent shutting down government? I don't remember when you did that. But if you say so, you probably did. At least you are now. Conservatives are idiots, stop listening to Faux News and believing whatever they tell you

So NO , you can't and will not present a credible link to your imaginary "math". Got it

Cruz: GOP leads in 2014 because of shutdown

Where did I do "math," Holmes?

You quoted $64 billion Bubba, isn't that some type of math? PROVE IT DUMBASS!

 

[Dad2three]

NOW give the POLICIES that Obama used to "create" that debt, like TWO UNFUNDED TAX CUTS, 2 UNFUNDED WARS, UNFUNDED MEDICARE EXPANSION THAT COSTS AS MUCH THIS DECADE AS OBAMACARES, WHICH WAS 100% FUNDED!


Oops

Give me the policies that Obama used to lessen the debt?

And if you think ObamaCare is 100% funded then you're about as naive as they come! They cooked the books on that right from the get go and anyone with 8th grade math skills and a little common sense knew it!

CBO says get rid of Obamacares and debt increases. Weird right?

HE INCREASED TAXES ON THOSE (CHINES/MEXICAN) "JOB CREATORS" SO THE US TREASURY GETS MORE REVENUES FROM THOSE MAKING $400,000+ (INDIV) (He wanted $200,000, BUT THE PARTY OF NO REFUSED)

He stopped the Dubya/GOP recession from turning into GOP great depression 2.0 (that was HUGE)




NOW YOUR TURN? Which policies did Obama use to increase debt?

I hate to point out the obvious here, Dad but when I ask you to name what policies Obama used to lessen the debt and you bring up what he did to combat the recession it's amusing at best. How does spending almost a trillion dollars on a stimulus package that didn't create jobs, spending billions in TARP money or spending billions on "green" start-ups that floundered decrease the debt?

You don't have a single thing that Barry did to decrease the debt because he didn't HAVE any policies designed to do that! He was forced to continue the Bush tax cuts because someone who understood economics better than he obviously did finally got it through his thick skull that tax increases in the midst of a recession would be a REALLY stupid thing to do!

Weird, ignore the FACT that Dubya/GOP POLICIES took US down to less than 15% of GDP AND yet Obama increased taxes on the top .08% of US to lessen the debt?

You mean the GOPers who refused to get taxes increased on the ENTIRE top 2% as Obama wanted that would've brought down the debt even more AND MOST ECONOMIST AGREED, WOULDN'T HAD EFFECTED THE RECOVERY FROM DUBYA/GOP POLICY (the REASON the stimulus was needed)?


MARCH 27, 2012

But now, a growing body of research suggests not only that the government could raise much more revenue by sharply raising the top tax rates paid by the richest Americans, but it could do so without slowing economic growth. Top tax rates could go as high as 80 percent or more.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/business/economy/the-case-for-raising-top-tax-rates.html?_r=0

Anyone that buys into the theory that increasing taxes isn't going to slow economic growth when you're in a deep recession is so woefully ignorant of basic economic principles that they should immediately audit an Econ 101 Macro class! The obvious reason that Barry DIDN'T raise taxes is that someone who DID take something in college besides Political Science and Black Studies explained to him and his little friends he surrounds himself with that doing so would make an already anemic economic recovery grind to a complete halt.

Weird, what happened when Obama increased taxes on the top .08% 9instead of the top 2% he wanted, but caved to GOP blackmail)? HINT HE GOT MORE REVENUES!

 

[Dad2three]

There is no need for security at the ww2 monument. Obama hates our veterans and this proved how much.

What is this "our veterans" crap! We aren't your pawns to be used again and again when you want to pull us out of the drawer to display your "concern" and faux "patriotism". During President Obama's time in office, more has been done in correcting the enormous problems with and within the VA, both VHA (health side) and VBA (benefits side), left over from the Bush & Co administration. Bush flat fucking IGNORED veterans, fool~! Now stuff your neoconservative talking points and learn something, smack!!!!

Link?

ONE, 5 Second Google search


When Fox News Shrugged Over A Military Care Scandal (Hint: Bush Was President)


When Fox News Shrugged Over A Military Care Scandal (Hint: Bush Was President)

 

[easyt65]

Democrats compromised with Bush
Republicans refused to compromise with Obama

Now I SERIOUSLY have to have some of what you are smoking!

Harry Reid refused to allow any GOP bill passed by the House even come up for discussion let alone a vote. That is documented FACT. Reid ensured approximately 100 House Bills remained on his desk.

This is arguably one of the more admirable characteristics about Liberals - come hail or high water they will NOT compromise their ideology and agenda. They see doing so to be a betrayal of those...while the GOP continuously rolls over with their proverbial legs spread wide open, giving in to whatever Liberals want for fear of offending someone and possible losing votes / their jobs.

 

[Dad2three]

You all have this self delusion that somehow the GOP has prevented you from accomplishing an economic BOOM by blocking your programs...which is funny stuff considering that when Barack Obama came into office he was working with large Democratic majorities in both the House and the Senate and could have done whatever he felt like with the economy and with immigration and the GOP wouldn't have been able to do a thing to stop him just as they couldn't do a thing to stop him with ObamaCare. So why didn't that happen? Doh!

Weird, the US economy was losing 700,000+ jobs a month when Dubya left? The economy lost 9%+ the last quarter of 2008?

A fleeting, illusory supermajority

It’s in Republicans’ interest right now to characterize the Democrats’ congressional majority in 2009 and 2010 as enormous. As the argument goes, President Obama could get literally anything he wanted from Congress in his first two years, so Democrats don’t have any excuses.

The stimulus wasn’t big enough? Blame Dems; they had supermajorities in both chambers for two years. There’s no comprehensive immigration reform? Blame Dems; they had supermajorities in both chambers for two years. There was only one big jobs bill? Blame Dems; they had supermajorities in both chambers for two years. And so on.

The right continued to push the line over the weekend.

Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace falsely claimed Democrats had a 60-vote Senate majority for the first 2 years of his presidency.

“For the first 2 years he had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate,” Wallace told LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, making the case that Obama has only himself to blame for his poor economic record.

I realize memories can be short in the political world, and 2010 seems like a long time ago, but it’s unnerving when professionals who presumably keep up with current events are this wrong. Even if various pundits lost track of the specific details, I’d at least expect Fox News hosts to remember Sen. Scott Brown’s (R) special-election win in Massachusetts.

Since memories are short, let’s take a brief stroll down memory lane, giving Wallace a hand with the recent history he’s forgotten.

In January 2009, there were 56 Senate Democrats and two independents who caucused with Democrats. This combined total of 58 included Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), whose health was failing and was unable to serve. As a practical matter, in the early months of Obama’s presidency, the Senate Democratic caucus had 57 members on the floor for day-to-day legislating.

In April 2009, Pennsylvania’s Arlen Specter switched parties. This meant there were 57 Democrats, and two independents who caucused with Democrats, for a caucus of 59. But with Kennedy ailing, there were still “only” 58 Democratic caucus members in the chamber.

In May 2009, Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) was hospitalized, bringing the number of Senate Dems in the chamber down to 57.

In July 2009, Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) was finally seated after a lengthy recount/legal fight. At that point, the Democratic caucus reached 60, but two of its members, Kennedy and Byrd, were unavailable for votes.

In August 2009, Kennedy died, and Democratic caucus again stood at 59.

In September 2009, Sen. Paul Kirk (D-Mass.) filled Kennedy’s vacancy, bringing the caucus back to 60, though Byrd’s health continued to deteriorate.

In January 2010, Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) replaced Kirk, bringing the Democratic caucus back to 59 again.

In June 2010, Byrd died, and the Democratic caucus fell to 58, where it stood until the midterms. [Update: Jonathan Bernstein reminds me that Byrd’s replacement was a Dem. He’s right, though this doesn’t change the larger point.]

Wallace believes the Dems’ “filibuster proof majority in the Senate” lasted 24 months. In reality, he’s off by 20 months, undermining the entire thesis pushed so aggressively by Republicans.

A fleeting, illusory supermajority

It's amazing how the supposed "fleeting, illusory" Super Majority wasn't lengthy enough to pass the economic measures you Progressives wanted nor was it long enough to pass the immigration reform measures you Progressives wanted but it WAS long enough to pass the ACA which affects 1/6th of our total economy!

How is that possible?

You mean when they used BUDGETARY issues to skip the required 60 votes necessary AND bought off a couple of GOP states/ Weird you don't remember that?


Yes,let's implement the policies the Dems wanted in 2009 AS the US economy was in the throws of the GREAT RECESSION of Dubya/GOP policy! Gawd

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I

Clinton didn't shut down open air memorials or monuments.

Link

I don't see how Clinton justified parks as essential services

I said open air memorials or monuments. I don't know about parks. They do take employees to run those. I would have to look that up, but Obama made sure that veteran's wouldn't get to see the ww2 memorial. Some for the first and last time. Shame on Obama and the people that support him.

They are still under the parks system and non-essential. The government shutdown was in all the papers. Anyone visiting Washington should have checked whats open. People missed out on the Capital, museums, Washington Monument...everything in the mall. Not just the WW2 memorial was affected by the Republican shutdown

You still haven't explained why you think monuments are essential

Who cares? In the end all it was was an extended vacation for government bloodsuckers.

Courtesy of our Republican Party

If only.. unfortunately they're just as bad as the Democrat asshats that gave us the gazillion useless government bloodsuckers.

 

[rightwinger]

Democrats compromised with Bush
Republicans refused to compromise with Obama

Now I SERIOUSLY have to have some of what you are smoking!

Harry Reid refused to allow any GOP bill passed by the House even come up for discussion let alone a vote. That is documented FACT. Reid ensured approximately 100 House Bills remained on his desk.

This is arguably one of the more admirable characteristics about Liberals - come hail or high water they will NOT compromise their ideology and agenda. They see doing so to be a betrayal of those...while the GOP continuously rolls over with their proverbial legs spread wide open, giving in to whatever Liberals want for fear of offending someone and possible losing votes / their jobs.

Harry Reid held Republicans to the same 60 vote filibuster requirement Democrats had to face

You think Reid should have allowed Republican bills to come for a vote while Republicans demanded 60 votes for Democratic bills to come to the floor?

Now, SERIOUSLY, what are you smoking?

 

[Dad2three]

What's amusing is that the same people who were absolutely gloating when Democrats won those huge majorities in the House and Senate back in 2008 because they knew that it rendered the GOP practically powerless...now spend most of their time pushing the narrative that they really didn't have a majority at all!

You know WHY they have to push that narrative? Because all the Democrats have to show for all that power they had back then is the Obama Stimulus, which was a complete bust...and the Affordable Care Act, which is probably the most poorly written piece of legislation ever passed by Congress.

Power? Oh right WHEN the economy dumped 9%+ the last quarter of 2008 (3 years of growth) and the economy was dumping 700,000+ jobs a month. Those damn Dems couldn't fix the GOP fast enough for you, AS the GOP worked against getting the bus back on the road Dubya drove US off of!