How the Republican Government shutdown works

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Conservatives are idiots and bad with math and history?

Liberals pretty much agree that the economy started going south under Bush his last 2 years in his final term in office. THIS was the economic decline Obama and Liberals claim Obama 'inherited'. Liberals also pretty much agree that whoever controls Congress controls the purse strings, and therefore the economy / budget as well....unless it is THEY who control Congress / the purse strings.

During Bush's 1st 6 years in office 9/11 occurred, the economic aftermath of 9/11 happened, and 2 wars were fought. No 'economic decline' was experienced, but approx. 2 1/2 Trillion was added to the debt...in 6 (SIX YEARS)...during a time when there was a pretty close split in Congress. (2 1/2 trillion in 6 years in approx. 1/3rd of the debt Obama added in his 1st 4 years!)

Democrats secured a Super-Majority Control of Congress, controlling the purse strings / budget the last 2 years of Bush's administration...during which time the Liberals say the economy started going south. During this 1 1/2 - 2 year period another 1 1/2 TRILLION was added to the debt...in only 2 years. WHAT was the difference between Bush's 1st 6 years and his last 2? Oh yeah, Democrats took over Congress! They held this Super Majority control of Congress through the end of Obama's 2nd year in office.

The economic decline Obama claims to have inherited came from 2 years of Liberal control of the budget and 2 more years of horrendous fiscal irresponsibility. For instance, while supposedly in a declining economy Obama and the Liberals passed the tremendously FAILED Stimulus bill, a nearly $1 TRILLION addition to the nation's debt in one shot that contained over 7,000 pieces of DNC-ONLY pork, continued such horrible programs as 'Cash for Clunkers' that ended up hurting the economy/poor & middle class families, and ended up costing OVER $742,000 PER JOB Obama claimed to have created / saved!

In Obama's 1st 4 years he set US records for 'monthly', 'annual', and 'total' deficit spending - adding over $6 trillion to the US debt in ONLY 4 years, more debt added than by EVERY US President from Washington to Bush COMBINED, single-handedly securing the 1st US Credit rating down-grade by refusing to accept more budget cuts to prove he was serious about reducing the deficit as he was warned, and added a record number of job-creation / business-strangling regulations.

These are DOCUMENTED, HISTORICAL FACTS which speak for themselves. Responding with opinion or personal attacks do not effect me at all because you are arguing with these documented history / facts, not me.

The final statistical and historical fact is that Obama is ARGUABLY the worst President in US history. Personally, though, I would award that title to the racist LBJ, the man who started the whole liberal program of 'Economic Slavery' that has been used to oppress blacks, ensure more and more Americans remain UN-successful and dependent on the government, and that they continue to vote for the liberal politicians who will keep the 'free' money and handouts flowing.

Democrats never had a super majority in Congress under Bush ....EVER
Bush blocked any legislative effort from the Democrats. You are welcome to post any legislation pushed through by the Democrats that caused an economic meltdown

Republicans never had a super majority under Bush either, which means they needed to make an agreement. The Democrats were zero compromise, gimme my way

You must have completely missed out on the Bush era

Yes the Democrats compromised. In fact, they gave Bush a 9-11 card where he could get any legislation he wanted passed in the name of fighting terrorism. He even got the wars he asked for
When the economy crashed during the Great Bush Recession of 2008, Democrats gave him stimulus funding, TARP and auto company and bank bailouts....When Obama came in and asked for the same thing....not a single Republican voted for it

Considering that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid drew up the Obama Stimulus behind closed doors with no GOP input and it was filled with Democratic pork is that really a shock? It wasn't REALLY the same as what Bush asked for to address the recession. I believe in fact that 3 Republicans voted for it anyways. Snow, Collins and Arlen Spector (before he changed parties?)

Democrats compromised with Bush
Republicans refused to compromise with Obama

When was it that Obama ever compromised with the GOP? It wasn't when he first got into office...that's for sure! Or have you forgotten their first sit down where Barry lectured the GOP leaders on how "elections have consequences...I won"?

So for two years Obama tells the GOP leadership to go sit in the hall while Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid cobbled together deals behind locked doors...and only when you lose the first mid-term in the biggest political turn around in modern political history...only THEN do you turn around and say..."hey, no hard feelings...let's be friends!"

The rank and file of the GOP loathes Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi! Those GOP lawmakers don't simply disagree with the policies of Barry, Harry and Nancy...they hate them personally for the way they acted when the Democrats had all the power. That hatred is something Obama fostered.

 

[Dad2three]

Democrats never had a super majority in Congress under Bush ....EVER
Bush blocked any legislative effort from the Democrats. You are welcome to post any legislation pushed through by the Democrats that caused an economic meltdown

Republicans never had a super majority under Bush either, which means they needed to make an agreement. The Democrats were zero compromise, gimme my way

You must have completely missed out on the Bush era

Yes the Democrats compromised. In fact, they gave Bush a 9-11 card where he could get any legislation he wanted passed in the name of fighting terrorism. He even got the wars he asked for
When the economy crashed during the Great Bush Recession of 2008, Democrats gave him stimulus funding, TARP and auto company and bank bailouts....When Obama came in and asked for the same thing....not a single Republican voted for it

Considering that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid drew up the Obama Stimulus behind closed doors with no GOP input and it was filled with Democratic pork is that really a shock? It wasn't REALLY the same as what Bush asked for to address the recession. I believe in fact that 3 Republicans voted for it anyways. Snow, Collins and Arlen Spector (before he changed parties?)

Democrats compromised with Bush
Republicans refused to compromise with Obama

When was it that Obama ever compromised with the GOP? It wasn't when he first got into office...that's for sure! Or have you forgotten their first sit down where Barry lectured the GOP leaders on how "elections have consequences...I won"?

So for two years Obama tells the GOP leadership to go sit in the hall while Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid cobbled together deals behind locked doors...and only when you lose the first mid-term in the biggest political turn around in modern political history...only THEN do you turn around and say..."hey, no hard feelings...let's be friends!"

The rank and file of the GOP loathes Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi! Those GOP lawmakers don't simply disagree with the policies of Barry, Harry and Nancy...they hate them personally for the way they acted when the Democrats had all the power. That hatred is something Obama fostered.

MORE right wing ":history", shocking


1-4-2009

Aiming to foster bipartisan support for his record-setting economic stimulus, President-elect Barack Obama plans to propose huge tax cuts for businesses and middle-class workers that will total about 40 percent of the package, or up to $310 billion, congressional officials said.

Obama strategists say he wants to get 80 or more votes in the 100-member Senate, and the emphasis on tax cuts is a way to defuse conservative criticism and enlist Republican support.

Big tax cuts in the works - POLITICO




Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House

Back Then, Helping Boost Economic Growth Was Bipartisan

In January 2008 when the economic picture was far less dire and the unemployment rate was only 4.8 percent, 165 Republicans in the House of Representatives and 33 Republican senators voted to pass a stimulus package with an estimated cost of $152 billion

Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House


WEIRD RIGHT BUBBA?

 

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Republicans never had a super majority under Bush either, which means they needed to make an agreement. The Democrats were zero compromise, gimme my way

You must have completely missed out on the Bush era

Yes the Democrats compromised. In fact, they gave Bush a 9-11 card where he could get any legislation he wanted passed in the name of fighting terrorism. He even got the wars he asked for
When the economy crashed during the Great Bush Recession of 2008, Democrats gave him stimulus funding, TARP and auto company and bank bailouts....When Obama came in and asked for the same thing....not a single Republican voted for it

Considering that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid drew up the Obama Stimulus behind closed doors with no GOP input and it was filled with Democratic pork is that really a shock? It wasn't REALLY the same as what Bush asked for to address the recession. I believe in fact that 3 Republicans voted for it anyways. Snow, Collins and Arlen Spector (before he changed parties?)

Democrats compromised with Bush
Republicans refused to compromise with Obama

When was it that Obama ever compromised with the GOP? It wasn't when he first got into office...that's for sure! Or have you forgotten their first sit down where Barry lectured the GOP leaders on how "elections have consequences...I won"?

So for two years Obama tells the GOP leadership to go sit in the hall while Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid cobbled together deals behind locked doors...and only when you lose the first mid-term in the biggest political turn around in modern political history...only THEN do you turn around and say..."hey, no hard feelings...let's be friends!"

The rank and file of the GOP loathes Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi! Those GOP lawmakers don't simply disagree with the policies of Barry, Harry and Nancy...they hate them personally for the way they acted when the Democrats had all the power. That hatred is something Obama fostered.

MORE right wing ":history", shocking


1-4-2009

Aiming to foster bipartisan support for his record-setting economic stimulus, President-elect Barack Obama plans to propose huge tax cuts for businesses and middle-class workers that will total about 40 percent of the package, or up to $310 billion, congressional officials said.

Obama strategists say he wants to get 80 or more votes in the 100-member Senate, and the emphasis on tax cuts is a way to defuse conservative criticism and enlist Republican support.

Big tax cuts in the works - POLITICO




Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House

Back Then, Helping Boost Economic Growth Was Bipartisan

In January 2008 when the economic picture was far less dire and the unemployment rate was only 4.8 percent, 165 Republicans in the House of Representatives and 33 Republican senators voted to pass a stimulus package with an estimated cost of $152 billion

Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House


WEIRD RIGHT BUBBA?

What's laughable is watching you on the left try to re-write the "history" of the first two years of the Obama White House! According to you it was the GOP that wouldn't play ball with Obama when the fact is the Democrats didn't even let the Republicans in the game!

How many times have I heard you progressives ranting about Mitch McConnell's statement that his only goal was to make sure Obama didn't get another term as "proof" that the GOP was out to get Barry right from the start? Yet McConnell doesn't make that statement until Obama's been in office for over a year and the Democrats have been shoving things like the Obama Stimulus and the ACA down the throats of the GOP!

 

[Dad2three]

You must have completely missed out on the Bush era

Yes the Democrats compromised. In fact, they gave Bush a 9-11 card where he could get any legislation he wanted passed in the name of fighting terrorism. He even got the wars he asked for
When the economy crashed during the Great Bush Recession of 2008, Democrats gave him stimulus funding, TARP and auto company and bank bailouts....When Obama came in and asked for the same thing....not a single Republican voted for it

Considering that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid drew up the Obama Stimulus behind closed doors with no GOP input and it was filled with Democratic pork is that really a shock? It wasn't REALLY the same as what Bush asked for to address the recession. I believe in fact that 3 Republicans voted for it anyways. Snow, Collins and Arlen Spector (before he changed parties?)

Democrats compromised with Bush
Republicans refused to compromise with Obama

When was it that Obama ever compromised with the GOP? It wasn't when he first got into office...that's for sure! Or have you forgotten their first sit down where Barry lectured the GOP leaders on how "elections have consequences...I won"?

So for two years Obama tells the GOP leadership to go sit in the hall while Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid cobbled together deals behind locked doors...and only when you lose the first mid-term in the biggest political turn around in modern political history...only THEN do you turn around and say..."hey, no hard feelings...let's be friends!"

The rank and file of the GOP loathes Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi! Those GOP lawmakers don't simply disagree with the policies of Barry, Harry and Nancy...they hate them personally for the way they acted when the Democrats had all the power. That hatred is something Obama fostered.

MORE right wing ":history", shocking


1-4-2009

Aiming to foster bipartisan support for his record-setting economic stimulus, President-elect Barack Obama plans to propose huge tax cuts for businesses and middle-class workers that will total about 40 percent of the package, or up to $310 billion, congressional officials said.

Obama strategists say he wants to get 80 or more votes in the 100-member Senate, and the emphasis on tax cuts is a way to defuse conservative criticism and enlist Republican support.

Big tax cuts in the works - POLITICO




Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House

Back Then, Helping Boost Economic Growth Was Bipartisan

In January 2008 when the economic picture was far less dire and the unemployment rate was only 4.8 percent, 165 Republicans in the House of Representatives and 33 Republican senators voted to pass a stimulus package with an estimated cost of $152 billion

Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House


WEIRD RIGHT BUBBA?

What's laughable is watching you on the left try to re-write the "history" of the first two years of the Obama White House! According to you it was the GOP that wouldn't play ball with Obama when the fact is the Democrats didn't even let the Republicans in the game!

How many times have I heard you progressives ranting about Mitch McConnell's statement that his only goal was to make sure Obama didn't get another term as "proof" that the GOP was out to get Barry right from the start? Yet McConnell doesn't make that statement until Obama's been in office for over a year and the Democrats have been shoving things like the Obama Stimulus and the ACA down the throats of the GOP!

Weird:

The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama

TIME just published “The Party of No,” an article adapted from my new book, The New New Deal: The Hidden Story of Change in the Obama Era. It reveals some of my reporting on the Republican plot to obstruct President Obama before he even took office, including secret meetings led by House GOP whip Eric Cantor (in December 2008) and Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (in early January 2009) in which they laid out their daring (though cynical and political) no-honeymoon strategy of all-out resistance to a popular President-elect during an economic emergency. “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.”


On Jan. 27, 2009, House Republican leader John Boehner opened his weekly conference meeting with an announcement: Obama would make his first visit to the Capitol around noon, to meet exclusively with Republicans about his economic-recovery plan. “We’re looking forward to the President’s visit,” Boehner said.

The niceties ended there, as Boehner turned to the $815 billion stimulus bill that House Democrats had just unveiled. Boehner complained that it would spend too much, too late, on too many Democratic goodies. He urged his members to trash it on cable, on YouTube, on the House floor: “It’s another run-of-the-mill, undisciplined, cumbersome, wasteful Washington spending bill … I hope everyone here will join me in voting no!”

Cantor’s whip staff had been planning a “walk-back” strategy in which they would start leaking that 50 Republicans might vote yes, then that they were down to 30 problem children, then that they might lose 20 or so. The idea was to convey momentum. “You want the members to feel like, Oh, the herd is moving. I’ve got to move with the herd,” explains Rob Collins, Cantor’s chief of staff at the time. That way, even if a dozen Republicans ultimately defected, it would look as if Obama failed to meet expectations.

But when he addressed the conference, Cantor adopted a different strategy. “We’re not going to lose any Republicans,” he declared. His staff was stunned.

“We’re like, Uhhhhh, we have to recalibrate,”


...Shortly before 11 a.m., the AP reported that Boehner had urged Republicans to oppose the stimulus

The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama | TIME.com

LMAOROG

 

[Dad2three]

You must have completely missed out on the Bush era

Yes the Democrats compromised. In fact, they gave Bush a 9-11 card where he could get any legislation he wanted passed in the name of fighting terrorism. He even got the wars he asked for
When the economy crashed during the Great Bush Recession of 2008, Democrats gave him stimulus funding, TARP and auto company and bank bailouts....When Obama came in and asked for the same thing....not a single Republican voted for it

Considering that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid drew up the Obama Stimulus behind closed doors with no GOP input and it was filled with Democratic pork is that really a shock? It wasn't REALLY the same as what Bush asked for to address the recession. I believe in fact that 3 Republicans voted for it anyways. Snow, Collins and Arlen Spector (before he changed parties?)

Democrats compromised with Bush
Republicans refused to compromise with Obama

When was it that Obama ever compromised with the GOP? It wasn't when he first got into office...that's for sure! Or have you forgotten their first sit down where Barry lectured the GOP leaders on how "elections have consequences...I won"?

So for two years Obama tells the GOP leadership to go sit in the hall while Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid cobbled together deals behind locked doors...and only when you lose the first mid-term in the biggest political turn around in modern political history...only THEN do you turn around and say..."hey, no hard feelings...let's be friends!"

The rank and file of the GOP loathes Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi! Those GOP lawmakers don't simply disagree with the policies of Barry, Harry and Nancy...they hate them personally for the way they acted when the Democrats had all the power. That hatred is something Obama fostered.

MORE right wing ":history", shocking


1-4-2009

Aiming to foster bipartisan support for his record-setting economic stimulus, President-elect Barack Obama plans to propose huge tax cuts for businesses and middle-class workers that will total about 40 percent of the package, or up to $310 billion, congressional officials said.

Obama strategists say he wants to get 80 or more votes in the 100-member Senate, and the emphasis on tax cuts is a way to defuse conservative criticism and enlist Republican support.

Big tax cuts in the works - POLITICO




Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House

Back Then, Helping Boost Economic Growth Was Bipartisan

In January 2008 when the economic picture was far less dire and the unemployment rate was only 4.8 percent, 165 Republicans in the House of Representatives and 33 Republican senators voted to pass a stimulus package with an estimated cost of $152 billion

Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House


WEIRD RIGHT BUBBA?

What's laughable is watching you on the left try to re-write the "history" of the first two years of the Obama White House! According to you it was the GOP that wouldn't play ball with Obama when the fact is the Democrats didn't even let the Republicans in the game!

How many times have I heard you progressives ranting about Mitch McConnell's statement that his only goal was to make sure Obama didn't get another term as "proof" that the GOP was out to get Barry right from the start? Yet McConnell doesn't make that statement until Obama's been in office for over a year and the Democrats have been shoving things like the Obama Stimulus and the ACA down the throats of the GOP!

Jan. 27, 2009

Shortly before 11 a.m., the AP reported that Boehner had urged Republicans to oppose the stimulus.



“It was stunning that we’d set this up and, before hearing from the President, they’d say they were going to oppose this,” Axelrod says. “Our feeling was, we were dealing with a potential disaster of epic proportions that demanded cooperation. If anything was a signal of what the next two years would be like, it was that.”

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/

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[Dad2three]

But that wasn’t the only signal. A few other examples:

• Vice President Biden told me that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any bipartisan cooperation on major votes. “I spoke to seven different Republican Senators who said, ‘Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ ” he recalled. His informants said McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was, ‘For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’ ” Biden said. The Vice President said he hasn’t even told Obama who his sources were, but Bob Bennett of Utah and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania both confirmed they had conversations with Biden along those lines.

“So I promise you — and the President agreed with me — I never thought we were going to get Republican support,” Biden said.

• One Obama aide said he received a similar warning from a Republican Senate staffer he was seeing at the time. He remembered asking her one morning in bed, How do we get a stimulus deal? She replied, Baby, there’s no deal!


“This is how we get whole,” she said with a laugh. “We’re going to do to you what you did to us in 2006.”

• David Obey, then chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, met with his GOP counterpart, Jerry Lewis, to explain what Democrats had in mind for the stimulus and ask what Republicans wanted to include. “Jerry’s response was, ‘I’m sorry, but leadership tells us we can’t play,’ ” Obey told me. “Exact quote: ‘We can’t play.’ What they said right from the get-go was, It doesn’t matter what the hell you do, we ain’t going to help you. We’re going to stand on the sidelines and bitch.”

Lewis blames Obey and the Democrats for the committee’s turn toward extreme partisanship, but he doesn’t deny that GOP leaders made a decision not to play. “The leadership decided there was no play to be had,” he says. Republicans recognized that after Obama’s big promises about bipartisanship, they could break those promises by refusing to cooperate. In the words of Congressman Tom Cole, a deputy Republican whip: “We wanted the talking point: ‘The only thing bipartisan was the opposition.’ ”

The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama | TIME.com

 

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And the reason that things were more bi-partisan back when Bush was in office was because the GOP and the Democrats HAD to work together! The reason they became incredibly partisan as soon as Obama took office is that the Democrats controlled the House, the Senate and the Oval Office. They didn't have to placate the GOP and they sure as heck DIDN'T! Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed took great pleasure in loading the Obama Stimulus up with liberal pork just as they took great pleasure in passing the ACA before the voters or the GOP could stop them...even though it was one of the most badly written pieces of legislation in the history of our country!

 

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But that wasn’t the only signal. A few other examples:

• Vice President Biden told me that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any bipartisan cooperation on major votes. “I spoke to seven different Republican Senators who said, ‘Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ ” he recalled. His informants said McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was, ‘For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’ ” Biden said. The Vice President said he hasn’t even told Obama who his sources were, but Bob Bennett of Utah and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania both confirmed they had conversations with Biden along those lines.

“So I promise you — and the President agreed with me — I never thought we were going to get Republican support,” Biden said.

• One Obama aide said he received a similar warning from a Republican Senate staffer he was seeing at the time. He remembered asking her one morning in bed, How do we get a stimulus deal? She replied, Baby, there’s no deal!


“This is how we get whole,” she said with a laugh. “We’re going to do to you what you did to us in 2006.”

• David Obey, then chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, met with his GOP counterpart, Jerry Lewis, to explain what Democrats had in mind for the stimulus and ask what Republicans wanted to include. “Jerry’s response was, ‘I’m sorry, but leadership tells us we can’t play,’ ” Obey told me. “Exact quote: ‘We can’t play.’ What they said right from the get-go was, It doesn’t matter what the hell you do, we ain’t going to help you. We’re going to stand on the sidelines and bitch.”

Lewis blames Obey and the Democrats for the committee’s turn toward extreme partisanship, but he doesn’t deny that GOP leaders made a decision not to play. “The leadership decided there was no play to be had,” he says. Republicans recognized that after Obama’s big promises about bipartisanship, they could break those promises by refusing to cooperate. In the words of Congressman Tom Cole, a deputy Republican whip: “We wanted the talking point: ‘The only thing bipartisan was the opposition.’ ”

The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama | TIME.com

You know what's amusing, Dad? That Joe Biden wasn't intelligent enough to know that the Democrats didn't NEED any support from the GOP. They had huge majorities. Who cares what the GOP did? Axelrod pretending that the Republicans somehow did something to screw up Barry's plans is LAUGHABLE! How exactly were they going to be able to do that when they didn't have the votes?

 

[Dad2three]

And the reason that things were more bi-partisan back when Bush was in office was because the GOP and the Democrats HAD to work together! The reason they became incredibly partisan as soon as Obama took office is that the Democrats controlled the House, the Senate and the Oval Office. They didn't have to placate the GOP and they sure as heck DIDN'T! Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed took great pleasure in loading the Obama Stimulus up with liberal pork just as they took great pleasure in passing the ACA before the voters or the GOP could stop them...even though it was one of the most badly written pieces of legislation in the history of our country!

Your failure to address ANYTHING honestly noted Bubba

 

[Dad2three]

But that wasn’t the only signal. A few other examples:

• Vice President Biden told me that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any bipartisan cooperation on major votes. “I spoke to seven different Republican Senators who said, ‘Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ ” he recalled. His informants said McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was, ‘For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’ ” Biden said. The Vice President said he hasn’t even told Obama who his sources were, but Bob Bennett of Utah and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania both confirmed they had conversations with Biden along those lines.

“So I promise you — and the President agreed with me — I never thought we were going to get Republican support,” Biden said.

• One Obama aide said he received a similar warning from a Republican Senate staffer he was seeing at the time. He remembered asking her one morning in bed, How do we get a stimulus deal? She replied, Baby, there’s no deal!


“This is how we get whole,” she said with a laugh. “We’re going to do to you what you did to us in 2006.”

• David Obey, then chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, met with his GOP counterpart, Jerry Lewis, to explain what Democrats had in mind for the stimulus and ask what Republicans wanted to include. “Jerry’s response was, ‘I’m sorry, but leadership tells us we can’t play,’ ” Obey told me. “Exact quote: ‘We can’t play.’ What they said right from the get-go was, It doesn’t matter what the hell you do, we ain’t going to help you. We’re going to stand on the sidelines and bitch.”

Lewis blames Obey and the Democrats for the committee’s turn toward extreme partisanship, but he doesn’t deny that GOP leaders made a decision not to play. “The leadership decided there was no play to be had,” he says. Republicans recognized that after Obama’s big promises about bipartisanship, they could break those promises by refusing to cooperate. In the words of Congressman Tom Cole, a deputy Republican whip: “We wanted the talking point: ‘The only thing bipartisan was the opposition.’ ”

The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama | TIME.com

You know what's amusing, Dad? That Joe Biden wasn't intelligent enough to know that the Democrats didn't NEED any support from the GOP. They had huge majorities. Who cares what the GOP did? Axelrod pretending that the Republicans somehow did something to screw up Barry's plans is LAUGHABLE! How exactly were they going to be able to do that when they didn't have the votes?

Don't understand (of course you do, but your a LIAR) THAT SENATE NEEDED 60 VOTES TO MOVE LEGISLATION? lol

 

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The truth is that Obama couldn't get all the Democrats to go along with the far left agenda he wanted to pass! It wasn't the GOP that put the brakes on the Barry, Harry and Nancy Show. That was taking place because Blue Dog Democrats were looking at what the progressives of their party wanted to pass and shaking their heads because they KNEW they would get slaughtered for voting that way come the 2010 mid-terms.

 

[Oldstyle]

But that wasn’t the only signal. A few other examples:

• Vice President Biden told me that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any bipartisan cooperation on major votes. “I spoke to seven different Republican Senators who said, ‘Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ ” he recalled. His informants said McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was, ‘For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’ ” Biden said. The Vice President said he hasn’t even told Obama who his sources were, but Bob Bennett of Utah and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania both confirmed they had conversations with Biden along those lines.

“So I promise you — and the President agreed with me — I never thought we were going to get Republican support,” Biden said.

• One Obama aide said he received a similar warning from a Republican Senate staffer he was seeing at the time. He remembered asking her one morning in bed, How do we get a stimulus deal? She replied, Baby, there’s no deal!


“This is how we get whole,” she said with a laugh. “We’re going to do to you what you did to us in 2006.”

• David Obey, then chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, met with his GOP counterpart, Jerry Lewis, to explain what Democrats had in mind for the stimulus and ask what Republicans wanted to include. “Jerry’s response was, ‘I’m sorry, but leadership tells us we can’t play,’ ” Obey told me. “Exact quote: ‘We can’t play.’ What they said right from the get-go was, It doesn’t matter what the hell you do, we ain’t going to help you. We’re going to stand on the sidelines and bitch.”

Lewis blames Obey and the Democrats for the committee’s turn toward extreme partisanship, but he doesn’t deny that GOP leaders made a decision not to play. “The leadership decided there was no play to be had,” he says. Republicans recognized that after Obama’s big promises about bipartisanship, they could break those promises by refusing to cooperate. In the words of Congressman Tom Cole, a deputy Republican whip: “We wanted the talking point: ‘The only thing bipartisan was the opposition.’ ”

The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama | TIME.com

You know what's amusing, Dad? That Joe Biden wasn't intelligent enough to know that the Democrats didn't NEED any support from the GOP. They had huge majorities. Who cares what the GOP did? Axelrod pretending that the Republicans somehow did something to screw up Barry's plans is LAUGHABLE! How exactly were they going to be able to do that when they didn't have the votes?

Don't understand (of course you do, but your a LIAR) THAT SENATE NEEDED 60 VOTES TO MOVE LEGISLATION? lol

Gee, Dad...how did Obama get his stimulus passed with no House Republicans voting for it? How did he get his ACA passed with no House Republicans voting for it? Amazing that the Democrats were able to pass THOSE things without any Republican votes yet you want us to believe they couldn't pass immigration reform or measures that Obama was calling for to fix the economy?

 

[Dad2three]

The truth is that Obama couldn't get all the Democrats to go along with the far left agenda he wanted to pass! It wasn't the GOP that put the brakes on the Barry, Harry and Nancy Show. That was taking place because Blue Dog Democrats were looking at what the progressives of their party wanted to pass and shaking their heads because they KNEW they would get slaughtered for voting that way come the 2010 mid-terms.

Yes, I agree you didn't address the GOP plan, outlined and posted of the GOP obstruction planned for Obama from 2008!

 

[Oldstyle]

The truth is that Obama couldn't get all the Democrats to go along with the far left agenda he wanted to pass! It wasn't the GOP that put the brakes on the Barry, Harry and Nancy Show. That was taking place because Blue Dog Democrats were looking at what the progressives of their party wanted to pass and shaking their heads because they KNEW they would get slaughtered for voting that way come the 2010 mid-terms.

Yes, I agree you didn't address the GOP plan, outlined and posted of the GOP obstruction planned for Obama from 2008!

You're pathetic. I've already pointed out that it didn't matter what "plan" the GOP outlined and posted to stop Obama and the Democrats in 2008 because they simply didn't have the votes to do so yet you keep right on pretending that wasn't the case.

 

[Dad2three]

But that wasn’t the only signal. A few other examples:

• Vice President Biden told me that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any bipartisan cooperation on major votes. “I spoke to seven different Republican Senators who said, ‘Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ ” he recalled. His informants said McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was, ‘For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’ ” Biden said. The Vice President said he hasn’t even told Obama who his sources were, but Bob Bennett of Utah and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania both confirmed they had conversations with Biden along those lines.

“So I promise you — and the President agreed with me — I never thought we were going to get Republican support,” Biden said.

• One Obama aide said he received a similar warning from a Republican Senate staffer he was seeing at the time. He remembered asking her one morning in bed, How do we get a stimulus deal? She replied, Baby, there’s no deal!


“This is how we get whole,” she said with a laugh. “We’re going to do to you what you did to us in 2006.”

• David Obey, then chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, met with his GOP counterpart, Jerry Lewis, to explain what Democrats had in mind for the stimulus and ask what Republicans wanted to include. “Jerry’s response was, ‘I’m sorry, but leadership tells us we can’t play,’ ” Obey told me. “Exact quote: ‘We can’t play.’ What they said right from the get-go was, It doesn’t matter what the hell you do, we ain’t going to help you. We’re going to stand on the sidelines and bitch.”

Lewis blames Obey and the Democrats for the committee’s turn toward extreme partisanship, but he doesn’t deny that GOP leaders made a decision not to play. “The leadership decided there was no play to be had,” he says. Republicans recognized that after Obama’s big promises about bipartisanship, they could break those promises by refusing to cooperate. In the words of Congressman Tom Cole, a deputy Republican whip: “We wanted the talking point: ‘The only thing bipartisan was the opposition.’ ”

The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama | TIME.com

You know what's amusing, Dad? That Joe Biden wasn't intelligent enough to know that the Democrats didn't NEED any support from the GOP. They had huge majorities. Who cares what the GOP did? Axelrod pretending that the Republicans somehow did something to screw up Barry's plans is LAUGHABLE! How exactly were they going to be able to do that when they didn't have the votes?

Don't understand (of course you do, but your a LIAR) THAT SENATE NEEDED 60 VOTES TO MOVE LEGISLATION? lol

Gee, Dad...how did Obama get his stimulus passed with no House Republicans voting for it? How did he get his ACA passed with no House Republicans voting for it? Amazing that the Democrats were able to pass THOSE things without any Republican votes yet you want us to believe they couldn't pass immigration reform or measures that Obama was calling for to fix the economy?

Measure Obama called for? WHILE the economy was dumping 700,000+ jobs a month and had lost 9%+ the previous Dubya quarter?


But here's the deal -- the real deal -- there actually wasn't a two year supermajority.

This timeline shows the facts.

President Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009 with just 58 Senators to support his agenda.

He should have had 59, but Republicans contested Al Franken's election in Minnesota and he didn't get seated for seven months.

The President's cause was helped in April when Pennsylvania's Republican Senator Arlen Specter switched parties.

That gave the President 59 votes -- still a vote shy of the super majority.

But one month later, Democratic Senator Byrd of West Virginia was hospitalized and was basically out of commission.

So while the President's number on paper was 59 Senators -- he was really working with just 58 Senators.

Then in July, Minnesota Senator Al Franken was finally sworn in, giving President Obama the magic 60 -- but only in theory, because Senator Byrd was still out.

In August, Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts died and the number went back down to 59 again until Paul Kirk temporarily filled Kennedy's seat in September.

Any pretense of a supermajority ended on February 4, 2010 when Republican Scott Brown was sworn into the seat Senator Kennedy once held.Do you see a two-year supermajority?

I didn't think so.


Sens. Collins, Olympia Snowe and Arlen Specter voted COUNTRY OVER PARTY REMEMBER?

 

[Dad2three]

The truth is that Obama couldn't get all the Democrats to go along with the far left agenda he wanted to pass! It wasn't the GOP that put the brakes on the Barry, Harry and Nancy Show. That was taking place because Blue Dog Democrats were looking at what the progressives of their party wanted to pass and shaking their heads because they KNEW they would get slaughtered for voting that way come the 2010 mid-terms.

Yes, I agree you didn't address the GOP plan, outlined and posted of the GOP obstruction planned for Obama from 2008!

You're pathetic. I've already pointed out that it didn't matter what "plan" the GOP outlined and posted to stop Obama and the Democrats in 2008 because they simply didn't have the votes to do so yet you keep right on pretending that wasn't the case.

Sure Bubs, sure, keep pretending the Dems didn't need 60 votes POS

 

[Dad2three]

But that wasn’t the only signal. A few other examples:

• Vice President Biden told me that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any bipartisan cooperation on major votes. “I spoke to seven different Republican Senators who said, ‘Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ ” he recalled. His informants said McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was, ‘For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’ ” Biden said. The Vice President said he hasn’t even told Obama who his sources were, but Bob Bennett of Utah and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania both confirmed they had conversations with Biden along those lines.

“So I promise you — and the President agreed with me — I never thought we were going to get Republican support,” Biden said.

• One Obama aide said he received a similar warning from a Republican Senate staffer he was seeing at the time. He remembered asking her one morning in bed, How do we get a stimulus deal? She replied, Baby, there’s no deal!


“This is how we get whole,” she said with a laugh. “We’re going to do to you what you did to us in 2006.”

• David Obey, then chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, met with his GOP counterpart, Jerry Lewis, to explain what Democrats had in mind for the stimulus and ask what Republicans wanted to include. “Jerry’s response was, ‘I’m sorry, but leadership tells us we can’t play,’ ” Obey told me. “Exact quote: ‘We can’t play.’ What they said right from the get-go was, It doesn’t matter what the hell you do, we ain’t going to help you. We’re going to stand on the sidelines and bitch.”

Lewis blames Obey and the Democrats for the committee’s turn toward extreme partisanship, but he doesn’t deny that GOP leaders made a decision not to play. “The leadership decided there was no play to be had,” he says. Republicans recognized that after Obama’s big promises about bipartisanship, they could break those promises by refusing to cooperate. In the words of Congressman Tom Cole, a deputy Republican whip: “We wanted the talking point: ‘The only thing bipartisan was the opposition.’ ”

The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama | TIME.com

You know what's amusing, Dad? That Joe Biden wasn't intelligent enough to know that the Democrats didn't NEED any support from the GOP. They had huge majorities. Who cares what the GOP did? Axelrod pretending that the Republicans somehow did something to screw up Barry's plans is LAUGHABLE! How exactly were they going to be able to do that when they didn't have the votes?

Don't understand (of course you do, but your a LIAR) THAT SENATE NEEDED 60 VOTES TO MOVE LEGISLATION? lol

Gee, Dad...how did Obama get his stimulus passed with no House Republicans voting for it? How did he get his ACA passed with no House Republicans voting for it? Amazing that the Democrats were able to pass THOSE things without any Republican votes yet you want us to believe they couldn't pass immigration reform or measures that Obama was calling for to fix the economy?

HOUSE? Who gives a fukk about House Bubba dumbass!

Want to look at the 40+ Obamacvares repeals in the House? You dumbfukk, SIMPLE MAJORITY IS ALL NEEDED IN THE HOUSE. Like Dubya had. Like Obama had, it's SENATE WHERE THE GOP HOSED US BECAUSE OF PARTY OVER NATION!!

 

[Dad2three]

The truth is that Obama couldn't get all the Democrats to go along with the far left agenda he wanted to pass! It wasn't the GOP that put the brakes on the Barry, Harry and Nancy Show. That was taking place because Blue Dog Democrats were looking at what the progressives of their party wanted to pass and shaking their heads because they KNEW they would get slaughtered for voting that way come the 2010 mid-terms.

Yes, I agree you didn't address the GOP plan, outlined and posted of the GOP obstruction planned for Obama from 2008!

You're pathetic. I've already pointed out that it didn't matter what "plan" the GOP outlined and posted to stop Obama and the Democrats in 2008 because they simply didn't have the votes to do so yet you keep right on pretending that wasn't the case.

So your earlier posit, that it was a year later before GOP obstruction became the norm, was BS. Got it!

 

[Oldstyle]

The truth is that Obama couldn't get all the Democrats to go along with the far left agenda he wanted to pass! It wasn't the GOP that put the brakes on the Barry, Harry and Nancy Show. That was taking place because Blue Dog Democrats were looking at what the progressives of their party wanted to pass and shaking their heads because they KNEW they would get slaughtered for voting that way come the 2010 mid-terms.

Yes, I agree you didn't address the GOP plan, outlined and posted of the GOP obstruction planned for Obama from 2008!

You're pathetic. I've already pointed out that it didn't matter what "plan" the GOP outlined and posted to stop Obama and the Democrats in 2008 because they simply didn't have the votes to do so yet you keep right on pretending that wasn't the case.

So your earlier posit, that it was a year later before GOP obstruction became the norm, was BS. Got it!

It was a year later that Mitch McConnell made his remark. Are you always this clueless? Once again...IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT THE GOP DID THAT FIRST YEAR...THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO STOP THE DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dad2three]

The truth is that Obama couldn't get all the Democrats to go along with the far left agenda he wanted to pass! It wasn't the GOP that put the brakes on the Barry, Harry and Nancy Show. That was taking place because Blue Dog Democrats were looking at what the progressives of their party wanted to pass and shaking their heads because they KNEW they would get slaughtered for voting that way come the 2010 mid-terms.

Yes, I agree you didn't address the GOP plan, outlined and posted of the GOP obstruction planned for Obama from 2008!

You're pathetic. I've already pointed out that it didn't matter what "plan" the GOP outlined and posted to stop Obama and the Democrats in 2008 because they simply didn't have the votes to do so yet you keep right on pretending that wasn't the case.

So your earlier posit, that it was a year later before GOP obstruction became the norm, was BS. Got it!

It was a year later that Mitch McConnell made his remark. Are you always this clueless? Once again...IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT THE GOP DID THAT FIRST YEAR...THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO STOP THE DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure Bubs, SINCE it took 60 votes to get through the Senate, the GOP didn't block them? lol

The Myth of Democratic Super Majority.

One of the standard Republican talking points is that the Democrats had a filibuster-proof, super majority for two years between 2008 and 2010. This talking point is usually trotted out when liberals complain that the Republicans filibustered virtually every piece of legislation proposed by Obama or the Democrats during Obama’s presidency. The implication is that Democrats had ample opportunity to pass legislation and that the reason they didn’t pass more legislation doesn’t have anything to do with the Republicans.

It is also used to counter any argument that Republican legislation, (passed during the six years of total Republican control,) has anything to do with today’s problems. They claim that the Democrats had a super majority for two years and passed all kinds of legislation, (over Republican objection and filibuster,) that completely undid all Republican policies and legislation, and this absolves them from today’s problems.

The Truth is that the Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority for 60 working days during that period, insufficient time to undo even a small portion of the legislation passed during six years of Republican control. Here are the details:

,Democrats only had a veto proof majority for 24 working days | Fact Left