How to end the UAW strike

[Couchpotato]

Ford CEO Jim Farley received total compensation of $20,996,146 in 2022

They can take his pay to zero and divide it up amongst all the workers. They will all get an additional 175 dollars a year...

 

[sealybobo]

Compare that with my son who will retire in 10 years at 52 and will have a $10,000 a month pension, stock options, 401k in a non-union job. Unreal!

I can’t imagine i would ever work again if I had $10,000 a month coming in for the rest of my life. There would be no reason to save one penny from 22-52.

In fact, you could buy everything you want on credit. Extra cars, second mortgage. Country club membership. As long as you can make the monthly payments. Timeshare. 30 year mortgage. Just make minimum payments on credit cards. When you die fuck it. You still owe everyone a lot but so what? You’re dead. Lol

Does your son have any savings? I doubt he will ever touch that money. That means your grandkids are set.

My fantasy of owing a lot when you die doesn’t work if you want to leave your kids some money. But I don’t have any kids and I think my nephews have more than I do already. Lol or they will

 

[sealybobo]

They can take his pay to zero and divide it up amongst all the workers. They will all get an additional 175 dollars a year...

It’s not just him. How many vps work at ford? In recent years while workers had pay freezes, their pay all went up too. My bro used to make 500k. Now he makes $1 mill. His pay went up the years when workers were told no cola even.

Quit making excuses and bad arguments.

 

[hadit]

Thats awesome. On October 1 my brother can walk away with $1.3 million. But he’s scared to give up such a great paying job. If he takes a year off will he become a dinosaur? He will be fine I’m sure 1000 companies want a guy like him but giving up that kind of money must be hard especially when you have gotten use to that kind of lifestyle. I think Howard stern talked about this once. People are used to making money. It’s hard to stop. Yes if you’re rich enough you can live off the interest, but there’s nothing like a pension.

Dude, what is his pension estimated to be worth? If he lives 40 more years. $120000 x 40

Golden handcuffs. You want to leave a job for whatever reason, but you're afraid to because you will be giving up a lot of money.

 

[SavannahMann]

What is interesting is that the MAGA folks all claim America was great with a strong Middle Class in the 1950’s, which coincidentally was also when Unions were at their strongest and made up a large share of those good middle class jobs. So they want to make America great again, just not the jobs, or things that we had to make it great.

 

[sealybobo]

Golden handcuffs. You want to leave a job for whatever reason, but you're afraid to because you will be giving up a lot of money.

My friend saved like a mother fucker for close to 30 years. Pharma rep too so he made good money. Somewhere along the way married a woman who makes probably $70K. I'm guessing but somewhere around there. His sister looked at his finances and showed him even with inflation he has more money than he'll ever need. And he has no kids so he doesn't care about leaving anything behind. He's probably 53. His wife is still working but she's probably going to get to call it quit soon.

But a part of me wonders why he's still being so cheap. One theory is he's not as well off as he says. I heard from another friend right before he "retired" he got a drunk driving on a snowmobile. Being a pharma rep, I'm pretty sure if he wasn't fired, he quit before it was going to happen.

One thing I always remind myself. Most people who brag exaggerate. And they leave out details that are unflattering.

It's like my elevator pitch. I tell them the name of my company and quickly what I can offer them. I don't tell them the controller is a bitch. LOL.

 

[sealybobo]

What is interesting is that the MAGA folks all claim America was great with a strong Middle Class in the 1950’s, which coincidentally was also when Unions were at their strongest and made up a large share of those good middle class jobs. So they want to make America great again, just not the jobs, or things that we had to make it great.

And back then CEO's made 30 of 300x the average worker. Not 3000 x's.

Back then a bellman at a hotel could raise a family on what he made. Or a waiter at a nice restaurant. Those were professions. Not jobs for college kids. And back then GM was the countries largest employer. Today it's Walmart.

Back them my aunt worked for Farmer Jacks. Union job. Paid well. She was a single mom of 2 and paid the bills working there. But they broke that union and company went "out of business". Maybe it turned into A&P, Kroger, Publix, whatever. But they broke the unions. Said they couldn't afford them.

In 2022, Kroger's operating profit amounted to about 4.13 billion U.S. dollars, up from approximately 3.48 billion in 2021.

Sure they couldn't.

 

[hadit]

My friend saved like a mother fucker for close to 30 years. Pharma rep too so he made good money. Somewhere along the way married a woman who makes probably $70K. I'm guessing but somewhere around there. His sister looked at his finances and showed him even with inflation he has more money than he'll ever need. And he has no kids so he doesn't care about leaving anything behind. He's probably 53. His wife is still working but she's probably going to get to call it quit soon.

But a part of me wonders why he's still being so cheap. One theory is he's not as well off as he says. I heard from another friend right before he "retired" he got a drunk driving on a snowmobile. Being a pharma rep, I'm pretty sure if he wasn't fired, he quit before it was going to happen.

One thing I always remind myself. Most people who brag exaggerate. And they leave out details that are unflattering.

It's like my elevator pitch. I tell them the name of my company and quickly what I can offer them. I don't tell them the controller is a bitch. LOL.

When a person has the mindset to save money instead of spending it, it's rare for them to suddenly switch to spending a lot, even when they have more than enough. Wealthy people get that way and stay that way for a reason, and it's typically the second and especially third generations that waste the family fortune.

 

[Flash]

1. Google what line workers make. Don't factor in the executives pay and come up with some higher number. Line workers in the south make under $30K. UNDER!

2. I don't actually like it that these guys make as much as I do when I have a college degree. But it makes for a better middle class/country when these Red Neck White Trash Blue Collar guys are paid well. It stimulates the economy. Where your way the CEO gets all the profits and these workers will never be able to retire. They will NEED their social security. Which you tell them won't be there when they are set to retire.

Moon Bat, I have a great idea.

You are bent out of shape that the Big Three's CEOs are paid too much money.

You are livid that Honda and Toyota in the US don't pay their workers what you think they should be earning

You also know that Honda and Toyota generally build better vehicles than the Big Three.

So here is the idea.

Why don't you buy a Honda or Toyota made in a Right to Work State?

Then you can go to the plant where your vehicle is made at shift change and stand there and hand out money to the workers as they leave.

That way you get a better vehicle, a lower paid CEO and you can relieve your stupid Socialist guilt that you have that you aren't giving the workers the money they deserve for the vehicle you bought.

Win-win, right?

 

[sealybobo]

When a person has the mindset to save money instead of spending it, it's rare for them to suddenly switch to spending a lot, even when they have more than enough. Wealthy people get that way and stay that way for a reason, and it's typically the second and especially third generations that waste the family fortune.

I should have $1 million when I'm 62. No way I live to be 92 but lets say it has to last me 30 years. That's only $33.000 a year. Let's call it $3000 a month.

But then I forgot about social security. Let's say that's $2000 a month. I guess that's not too bad.

BUT, no one wants to touch their money. So I'm hoping to live off the interest and not touch the principal. I did the quick math. Makes more sense to live off the interest and not touch the principal. Especially if you want to leave something to the next gen.

 

[sealybobo]

Moon Bat, I have a great idea.

You are bent out of shape that the Big Three's CEOs are paid too much money.

You are livid that Honda and Toyota in the US don't pay their workers what you think they should be earning

You also know that Honda and Toyota generally build better vehicles than the Big Three.

So here is the idea.

Why don't you buy a Honda or Toyota made in a Right to Work State?

Then you can go to the plant where your vehicle is made at shift change and stand there and hand out money to the workers as they leave.

That way you get a better vehicle, a lower paid CEO and you can relieve your stupid Socialist guilt that you have that you aren't giving the workers the money they deserve for the vehicle you bought.

Win-win, right?

I asked my friend who doesn't have a A plan with any car company why he buys a RAM truck. He pays the same as I do and he doesn't have the A plan. I do. So I guess if I didn't have the A plan, I would buy a RAM if they were cheaper by $100 a month lease payment.

So like I said in another thread I started yesterday. I won't ever again tell you who to vote for. You do you. If you live in Alabama and rely on that $30K job or if you save $100 a month from Toyota, I am not going to tell you are wrong for doing what you are doing.

I live in a union state. I support the unions. But I also get the A plan. The day that goes away, when my dad dies, and I can save $100 a month buying a Toyota, I will. I'll be honest.

 

[Independent thinker]

You clearly don't.

LOL. I have been in management for decades and have owned my own business for over 20 years now.

 

[hadit]

I should have $1 million when I'm 62. No way I live to be 92 but lets say it has to last me 30 years. That's only $33.000 a year. Let's call it $3000 a month.

But then I forgot about social security. Let's say that's $2000 a month. I guess that's not too bad.

BUT, no one wants to touch their money. So I'm hoping to live off the interest and not touch the principal. I did the quick math. Makes more sense to live off the interest and not touch the principal. Especially if you want to leave something to the next gen.

Most people have no idea how much money you really need to have anything close to the lifestyle you're accustomed to for, say, 25 years of retirement. I don't plan to completely retire until I'm very old because I'm in a career that I can do from my living room as long as my mind holds up and I can do it part time on my own schedule.

 

[sealybobo]

Most people have no idea how much money you really need to have anything close to the lifestyle you're accustomed to for, say, 25 years of retirement. I don't plan to completely retire until I'm very old because I'm in a career that I can do from my living room as long as my mind holds up and I can do it part time on my own schedule.

I'm in the same boat. I'm working from home, right now. I go to the office 2 days a week but I'm sure if I told my boss I don't want to anymore, he wouldn't make me. I'm going to work from FLorida this coming Feb and hopefully every February from here on out. Tonight I'm driving up to my brothers hunting property. I'll work from there tomorrow.

I fantasize that I tell my boss that I will continue to work for him for just my salary. No commissions required anymore. Just salary and healthcare. In exchange I'll continue to be his aftermarket department. TBH, I can do it part time. I just have to wake up and log on by 9am, do about an hour of work, and be available to place any orders that come in before 4pm. If I want to prospect I can but if I want to just place orders that come in, that's cool too.

He will probably suggest 100% commission and healthcare. I would accept that too. Let's say I sell $100K a month. 5% commission would be $60K a year. I would do that rather than retire and live off ss. At least from 62-65. At 65 I might call it quits because then I'd have medicare PLUS all the money I saved from 62-65 should be enough of a cushion that now I can maintain my lifestyle.

I am fortune for 2 reasons.

1. I don't have kids and I don't think my nephews will need me to leave them anything, although I'm sure I will. But I don't have to worry about anyone but myself.
2. My brother has a place in Florida, Greece and Up North MI. Up north is my favorite place in the world. I've told him this. Him being as successful as he is has allowed me to live like I'm a millionaire. Hunting property I couldn't afford. Florida place I don't have to pay for. And a place to stay free in Greece should I ever decide to go back. They keep asking when I'm going to go back to Greece and I tell them when one of my nephews/niece get married or the year I retire. Because you need 3 or 6 weeks to go to Greece. 2 weeks isn't enough. Plus I have a dog and don't want to leave him for that long.

It's nice having a rich family member. I try not to be a mooch. I pay for things whenever I can to show him that. And I'm his helper on all his projects. If they ask me to go get their kids at school, I do it. I don't ask for gas money. LOL. This year he sent me to go get seeds. We plant stuff the deer like to eat. It was $300 he said how much do I owe you I said don't worry I got it this year. He insisted I take $200. I know he appreciates me and I NEVER ask him for anything.

 

[sealybobo]

Most people have no idea how much money you really need to have anything close to the lifestyle you're accustomed to for, say, 25 years of retirement. I don't plan to completely retire until I'm very old because I'm in a career that I can do from my living room as long as my mind holds up and I can do it part time on my own schedule.

I have a company phone. I haven't had a personal phone in like 7 years. It's going to suck one day when I have to pay over $100 a month for a phone.

 

[Papageorgio]

I have a company phone. I haven't had a personal phone in like 7 years. It's going to suck one day when I have to pay over $100 a month for a phone.

$25 for unlimited data are out there.

 

[sealybobo]

$25 for unlimited data are out there.

I will cancel cable and go back to free antenna satelite tv. I had it in the past. I was fine

It was nice when I got the job I have now, I could finally afford cable. Could finally see NBA games again. I didn't cancel cable because I was broke. It was 2004 and the Pistons were in the NBA finals and my cable went out. I got pissed and cancelled cable. My dad bought me this new free digital antenna. To save $1200 a year, I'll give up cable.

But I will always have a smart phone. Got to have the internet so may as well have a phone/internet. I get the biggest ones so it's like a tablet. LOL.

 

[22lcidw]

I should have $1 million when I'm 62. No way I live to be 92 but lets say it has to last me 30 years. That's only $33.000 a year. Let's call it $3000 a month.

But then I forgot about social security. Let's say that's $2000 a month. I guess that's not too bad.

BUT, no one wants to touch their money. So I'm hoping to live off the interest and not touch the principal. I did the quick math. Makes more sense to live off the interest and not touch the principal. Especially if you want to leave something to the next gen.

We can break down many ways of wealth. The federal government has screwed over tens of millions of people many tines who played by the rules and then were changed. Old barney Frank and the gang is an example. The abuse of the fiat currency happens over and over.

 

[GMCGeneral]

That is what private ownership does. The alternative is government ownership of businesses; socialism.

Which is exactly what you leftist turds want. To hell with the risk takers, entrepreneurs, and business owners.

 

[Resnic]

LOL. You are delusional. This is going to end by workers getting a 20% raise and the price of all cars will go up 20%, hurting the poor and minorities the most. Do you guys ever learn economics?

Something also that will more than likely happen is they cut jobs even after all of that. They demand too much half of them will get automated out of a job.

I promise you right now they have people sitting down and doing 10 year cost estimates on the wage raises, and doing cost estimates on automating a lot of their jobs and deciding which one will save them the most money at the 10 year mark.

To the head honchos it's all about earnings reports, it's money and nothing else. And in any company your biggest expense is your employees.