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And anything that can be altered by ANYONE is not a reliable resource dipshit. I can go in and change anything that has been posted in wiki...at will. So can anybody else. Are so feeble minded that you don't see that as a problem?
I mean really. At least try and have a tiny little bit of common sense.
And anyone can go right back in and change it back, dipshit, plus they fudger would have no reference source, dipshit, so it wou.ldn't hold anyway, dipshit. Plus you can see every revision, dipshit, so it's all clearly in the page and can be seen as verified by an outside source, or not. Dipshit.
You don't stop at the Wiki content, dipshit; you follow the sources. Unless you're not interested in the facts. Since as you noted you too can go in and edit, dipshit, it's your job to keep it honest, dipshit.
All you've done there is poison the well with a broad brush, dipshit. If you have a specific quarrel with a point, dipshit, cite the point and its source or lack thereof. Otherwise you have nothing but poisoning the well.
Dipshit.
Yes. But who's to say who is correct? See the problem dipshit?
Nope, I didn't think you would.
And anyone can go right back in and change it back, dipshit, plus they fudger would have no reference source, dipshit, so it wou.ldn't hold anyway, dipshit. Plus you can see every revision, dipshit, so it's all clearly in the page and can be seen as verified by an outside source, or not. Dipshit.
You don't stop at the Wiki content, dipshit; you follow the sources. Unless you're not interested in the facts. Since as you noted you too can go in and edit, dipshit, it's your job to keep it honest, dipshit.
All you've done there is poison the well with a broad brush, dipshit. If you have a specific quarrel with a point, dipshit, cite the point and its source or lack thereof. Otherwise you have nothing but poisoning the well.
Dipshit.
Yes. But who's to say who is correct? See the problem dipshit?
Nope, I didn't think you would.
Who's to say? You are, dipshit.
There must be a thousand statements in that entry. If you take issue with one of them, attack it with its source. Its source is not Wiki; its source is footnote #342 or whatever. You show why the source doesn't work, or you bring your own countersource. Because he who asserts must also prove.
If that's just too hard for you, then maybe you have no point to make. Whining about what's in the URL doesn't make one.
Dipshit.
Yes. But who's to say who is correct? See the problem dipshit?
Nope, I didn't think you would.
Who's to say? You are, dipshit.
There must be a thousand statements in that entry. If you take issue with one of them, attack it with its source. Its source is not Wiki; its source is footnote #342 or whatever. You show why the source doesn't work, or you bring your own countersource. Because he who asserts must also prove.
If that's just too hard for you, then maybe you have no point to make. Whining about what's in the URL doesn't make one.
Dipshit.
My point silly person, is wiki has been so completely screwed up in its methodology and controls, that no one who is in higher education allows it to be used as a source. It's not worth wasting time on. If you wish to present some facts then go to the source material and YOU post them here.
Those I will happily look through. Wiki will never see my cursor however.
. You're going to have to get off your intellectual ass and work at it.
War is peaceOr it could just be that Nazism is another brand of socialism, like Ford is "different" from Volvo.Sounds more like the ideals of this government we have currently in this nation now, especially as echoed by the occupy movement, and supported by this government we have now. There is a balance to be kept in it all, and the problem is that this nation has lost it's scales anymore, and it better get to finding them quickly or we may end up down any number of roads if not careful.
the history place - rise of hitler: The 25 points of hitler's nazi party
"right wing" never looked so socialistic.
Most of this to me is big time left wing stuff, with some right wing stuff mixed in as well.
I hadn't read these 25 points or whatever's left of them before, but apparently whoever originally brought them in did so on the basis that "Hitler said it so it must be true".
Because as we all know, Hitler was the most honest guy in history and would never ever resort to, you know, propaganda or lying or anything like that.
Sheeeeesh.
War is peaceOr it could just be that Nazism is another brand of socialism, like Ford is "different" from Volvo.
I hadn't read these 25 points or whatever's left of them before, but apparently whoever originally brought them in did so on the basis that "Hitler said it so it must be true".
Because as we all know, Hitler was the most honest guy in history and would never ever resort to, you know, propaganda or lying or anything like that.
Sheeeeesh.
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
Idjit.
If your whole point is that you don't know what you're babbling about, you managed to make it.
Prior coming to this board, I had never heard anyone suggest Hitler was anything but right wing. This may be something to do with living in Europe where the awareness of fascism is so very high because it occured here, or maybe it's something our education system focuses on. Or maybe coincidence.
Either way, recently I've noticed two posters recently insist Hitler was left wing....and even liberal.
Here is SSDD:
Hitler's government was called right wing by communists and socialists of the time, but his governemnt was still socialist. It consisted of a large and powerful central authority which is, by definition, not a conservative, or classically lberal government
Right wing and left wing are two wings of the same house and the house is socialism.
In cases like this, I am not sure facts have a great deal of impact, but maybe it is interesting to discuss some of the features of Fascism anyway.
Let's start with some quotes from Hitler:
"The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood."
"The German state is gravely attacked by Marxism."
"In the years 1913 and 1914, I expressed the conviction that the question of the future of the German nation was the question of destroying Marxism."
"In the economic sphere Communism is analogous to democracy in the political sphere."
"The Marxists will march with democracy until they succeed in indirectly obtaining for their criminal aims the support of even the national intellectual world, destined by them for extinction."
"Marxism itself systematically plans to hand the world over to the Jews."
"The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight."
Myth: Hitler was a leftist
The point is that only socialists need to try to differentiate "left" socialism from "right" socialism.
Fact remains that they are the same authoritarian central planner shit wrapped in different toilet paper.
You want to pick flecks of pepper out of those piles of shit and make big scholarly observations about their minute differences in color and grain, that's your time to waste.
Who's to say? You are, dipshit.
There must be a thousand statements in that entry. If you take issue with one of them, attack it with its source. Its source is not Wiki; its source is footnote #342 or whatever. You show why the source doesn't work, or you bring your own countersource. Because he who asserts must also prove.
If that's just too hard for you, then maybe you have no point to make. Whining about what's in the URL doesn't make one.
Dipshit.
My point silly person, is wiki has been so completely screwed up in its methodology and controls, that no one who is in higher education allows it to be used as a source. It's not worth wasting time on. If you wish to present some facts then go to the source material and YOU post them here.
Those I will happily look through. Wiki will never see my cursor however.
That's a little better, silly person.
Note that I made no points at all about Ion Antonescu, ergo I need post no facts to support a post I never made. I'm just calling you out for your poison-the-well fallacy. Wiki's "methodology" hasn't changed; it's edited by everybody, which means anyone like yourself, or myself, that takes issue with a point there can challenge the point, or the source, or both. So again, if you have an issue with footnote 468, nobody's stopping you from challenging it. Nobody but your own indolence.
This isn''t supposed to be an easy game where you just declare some source "off the list" because you don't like what it says. He who asserts must also prove, and so must he who denies an assertion that's sitting there with 550 source citations. IOW you're going to have to work at it.
I don't even have an idea what your issue with Antonescu is; I just know that whatever it is, the way to go about it is not simply going
The point is that only socialists need to try to differentiate "left" socialism from "right" socialism.
Fact remains that they are the same authoritarian central planner shit wrapped in different toilet paper.
You want to pick flecks of pepper out of those piles of shit and make big scholarly observations about their minute differences in color and grain, that's your time to waste.
Jesus Christ on a Bicycle, you still don't get it??
My point had nothing whatsoever to do with this list of 25 principles, whatever they are. I didn't even bother to fucking read them (apparently you did, so rotsa ruck with the Klingons*).
My point is about the reasoning-- purporting to pinpoint Adolf Hitler's true political positions using an obvious propaganda piece from Hitler himself s a basis. Holy shit, learn to read already. Given that reasoning, there was no reason to bother reading them.
And by the way we dispensed with that authoritarian as left-right baggage a while back.
This is what I get for stating the obvious... intentional blank stares. Some come here to sit and think, others to sit and use the troll-it paper.
*("Klingons": How is a wad of toilet paper like the USS Enterprise? They're both searching for Klingons - old joke)
Prior coming to this board, I had never heard anyone suggest Hitler was anything but right wing. This may be something to do with living in Europe where the awareness of fascism is so very high because it occured here, or maybe it's something our education system focuses on. Or maybe coincidence.
Either way, recently I've noticed two posters recently insist Hitler was left wing....and even liberal.
Here is SSDD:
Hitler's government was called right wing by communists and socialists of the time, but his governemnt was still socialist. It consisted of a large and powerful central authority which is, by definition, not a conservative, or classically lberal government
Right wing and left wing are two wings of the same house and the house is socialism.
In cases like this, I am not sure facts have a great deal of impact, but maybe it is interesting to discuss some of the features of Fascism anyway.
Let's start with some quotes from Hitler:
"The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood."
"The German state is gravely attacked by Marxism."
"In the years 1913 and 1914, I expressed the conviction that the question of the future of the German nation was the question of destroying Marxism."
"In the economic sphere Communism is analogous to democracy in the political sphere."
"The Marxists will march with democracy until they succeed in indirectly obtaining for their criminal aims the support of even the national intellectual world, destined by them for extinction."
"Marxism itself systematically plans to hand the world over to the Jews."
"The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight."
Myth: Hitler was a leftist
Hitler is Hitler. To say he is left wing or right wing soils all of us who are right or left of center.
I won't have it.
Adolf was freaking insane.
The point is that only socialists need to try to differentiate "left" socialism from "right" socialism.
Fact remains that they are the same authoritarian central planner shit wrapped in different toilet paper.
You want to pick flecks of pepper out of those piles of shit and make big scholarly observations about their minute differences in color and grain, that's your time to waste.
Jesus Christ on a Bicycle, you still don't get it??
My point had nothing whatsoever to do with this list of 25 principles, whatever they are. I didn't even bother to fucking read them (apparently you did, so rotsa ruck with the Klingons*).
My point is about the reasoning-- purporting to pinpoint Adolf Hitler's true political positions using an obvious propaganda piece from Hitler himself s a basis. Holy shit, learn to read already. Given that reasoning, there was no reason to bother reading them.
And by the way we dispensed with that authoritarian as left-right baggage a while back.
This is what I get for stating the obvious... intentional blank stares. Some come here to sit and think, others to sit and use the troll-it paper.
*("Klingons": How is a wad of toilet paper like the USS Enterprise? They're both searching for Klingons - old joke)
No option.
Truman, the Korean interventionist warmonger and welfare statist nanny, would be called a reactionary today.I hope this thread has not encouraged that poster that argued Truman was a Republican to try to make a comeback.
I just noticed something, regent, saigon and pogo all joined wihtin a couple of months of each other and post like madmen. saigon alone is posting at the rate of 22 per day (I post at the rate of 11 and am retired). I wonder who they all work for?
