How would religions react to a direct message/encounter with aliens?

[hobelim]

There's zombies all around me?

No, there are the living and the dead. There is no in between. The resurrected dead are living beings, not zombies.

Dead people are everywhere walking around like regular people. They don't see each other, they see only what they want to see.

They don't know that they are dead.

You would be the zombie.

Ok, so you have nothing except fantasies. Got it.

No, your inability to see evidence of God is real. You inability to tell the difference between the living and the dead is real.

...and no one know better than you that there is no life in you.

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is actually a dead person walking around? Buddy, I think you watch too much TV.

That is definitely a new and creative
ad hominem by them. They went from calling their critics "on drugs", "insane", "retarded", and now Zombies.
Leah Remini is describing Scientologists methods of handling critics called
"Bull Baiting" and basically she is describing the exact tactics Christians use.
Cults need to use ad hominem responses to protect itself from unpopular truth they can't answer to-refute or address.
That's why it's addressed in the very first chapter of my book, because cultist can't deprogram if they don't notice the defense mechanisms they use to block out good sound logic and unpopular truths, so they end up accepting known lies as their
reality, even after they've been proven lies.
(like a child holding their fingers in their ears proclaiming "lalalalala I don't hear you")

©2001 Keepers of the Unpopular Truth
from Chapter 1
The Basic 10 Tactics Used in Arguments to Avoid Unpopular Truth:

1) The ad hominem argument. Seen too often when someone is attacking the arguer with personal rants, often mixed with false testimony. This never addresses the argument itself; it is only a smokescreen and avoidance technique to avoid unpopular truth.

2) The argument from authority. Though there must be independent confirmation of the facts, they seek to avoid unpopular truth by citing a favorite authority.

3) The argument from adverse consequences. Pointing out dire consequences of an "unfavorable" decision, like going to hell, needing to be saved, and other condemning and degrading commentary, all used to avoid unpopular truth.



4) The argument from absence of evidence. Merely stating their opinion, which is unfounded in substance and not backed by any reality, reason, or proof, relying on the bare false claim or observation per se to avoid unpopular truth. Obviously they have no foot to stand on, nor any substance to offer.



5) The smokescreening attempt. A drawing away from the attention of the original point or argument by putting up a smokescreen between them and the unpopular truth.



6) The blatant denial. Displacing everything; always refusing to admit to anything, sometimes in the form of accusing others instead, in order to displace the blame and guilt they associate with acceptance of the unpopular truth.



7) Making it disappear by not wanting to address it; in other words running away or trying to hide or censor the unpopular truth by flooding posts or banning the messenger of the unpopular truth.



8) The selective observation. Picking and choosing small portions sometimes even outside the context to avoid the main or whole issue addressed. Often used as part of the smokescreen and avoidance tactic.



9) The drawing of conclusions from inadequate sample sizes. Forgetting the many times something never occurred while dwelling on the few times or one time it did occur, thus being selective in what they want to see.



10) The inconsistency factor. Contradicting themselves and/or their own scriptures and/or icons, sometimes playing both sides of the field switching back and forth to whichever fits their arguments in a misguided need to save face when confronted with the unpopular truth. So there you have the ten basic mental scapegoats used to avoid unpopular truth. Accordingly we will never get to where we want and need to be, until we learn to face the unpopular truth head on without these excuses.



The first step is to actually hear what the speaker is saying. The problem is that, when you hear or see something that's unpopular but true, you start evaluating and conceptualizing it as it gets amplified through emotions in a quick short stage of processing in which you are compelled to make a hasty decision. This decision is filtered by prior experiences, fears, and even pride, which in the end changes the perception or the input to what you are willing to accept of it and not what that input was intended to be viewed or understood. These extraneous outside factors affect your honesty within your own belief system as well as subject to simple errors distorting ones outlook on the subject.

That is why there is always a problem being a real honest teacher in a world that seeks displacement and excuses rather then insightful solutions. It seems it is always the teachers of the unpopular truth throughout the ages who have been persecuted, not for who they were and what they offered, but because they hit the raw nerve of the ego of man or were a threat to the status quo.


Ever hear of the good teacher is unpopular syndrome? Students hate the teacher who tries to get them to do work and stay straight in their path in order to grow in intellect and purpose. However, they love the teacher who lets them get away with everything. So to them the good teacher is evil, but the failed teacher is nice, even though in reality the poor teacher is not leading them to be all they could and should be. It's like the gentiles who have love for Paul the apostate Pharisee who removes all homework (deeds and commands), but have dislike for the true Jews who tried to teach these proper values that brought civility.

Nice irony there for you of all people to come to the defense and side with a person who said that all Jews are liars.

What are you?

His affectionate uncle Screwtape?

 

[Yarddog]

Good question, did they come from Heaven?

Maybe all the stories in history, where it says the gods came down from the heavens, maybe they were aliens and not gods.
What do y'all think?


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I think you are probably right. Gods = Aliens.

Maybe they came from Venus, it once had an atmosphere and water but spins to slowly, so its weak magnetic field could not protect it from the suns solar wind. Also Venus is not too far away and wouldnt require much space travel. Its possible life could have developed on Venus first because it is warmer.

 

[HaShev]

No, there are the living and the dead. There is no in between. The resurrected dead are living beings, not zombies.

Dead people are everywhere walking around like regular people. They don't see each other, they see only what they want to see.

They don't know that they are dead.

You would be the zombie.

Ok, so you have nothing except fantasies. Got it.

No, your inability to see evidence of God is real. You inability to tell the difference between the living and the dead is real.

...and no one know better than you that there is no life in you.

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is actually a dead person walking around? Buddy, I think you watch too much TV.

That is definitely a new and creative
ad hominem by them. They went from calling their critics "on drugs", "insane", "retarded", and now Zombies.
Leah Remini is describing Scientologists methods of handling critics called
"Bull Baiting" and basically she is describing the exact tactics Christians use.
Cults need to use ad hominem responses to protect itself from unpopular truth they can't answer to-refute or address.
That's why it's addressed in the very first chapter of my book, because cultist can't deprogram if they don't notice the defense mechanisms they use to block out good sound logic and unpopular truths, so they end up accepting known lies as their
reality, even after they've been proven lies.
(like a child holding their fingers in their ears proclaiming "lalalalala I don't hear you")

©2001 Keepers of the Unpopular Truth
from Chapter 1
The Basic 10 Tactics Used in Arguments to Avoid Unpopular Truth:

1) The ad hominem argument. Seen too often when someone is attacking the arguer with personal rants, often mixed with false testimony. This never addresses the argument itself; it is only a smokescreen and avoidance technique to avoid unpopular truth.

2) The argument from authority. Though there must be independent confirmation of the facts, they seek to avoid unpopular truth by citing a favorite authority.

3) The argument from adverse consequences. Pointing out dire consequences of an "unfavorable" decision, like going to hell, needing to be saved, and other condemning and degrading commentary, all used to avoid unpopular truth.



4) The argument from absence of evidence. Merely stating their opinion, which is unfounded in substance and not backed by any reality, reason, or proof, relying on the bare false claim or observation per se to avoid unpopular truth. Obviously they have no foot to stand on, nor any substance to offer.



5) The smokescreening attempt. A drawing away from the attention of the original point or argument by putting up a smokescreen between them and the unpopular truth.



6) The blatant denial. Displacing everything; always refusing to admit to anything, sometimes in the form of accusing others instead, in order to displace the blame and guilt they associate with acceptance of the unpopular truth.



7) Making it disappear by not wanting to address it; in other words running away or trying to hide or censor the unpopular truth by flooding posts or banning the messenger of the unpopular truth.



8) The selective observation. Picking and choosing small portions sometimes even outside the context to avoid the main or whole issue addressed. Often used as part of the smokescreen and avoidance tactic.



9) The drawing of conclusions from inadequate sample sizes. Forgetting the many times something never occurred while dwelling on the few times or one time it did occur, thus being selective in what they want to see.



10) The inconsistency factor. Contradicting themselves and/or their own scriptures and/or icons, sometimes playing both sides of the field switching back and forth to whichever fits their arguments in a misguided need to save face when confronted with the unpopular truth. So there you have the ten basic mental scapegoats used to avoid unpopular truth. Accordingly we will never get to where we want and need to be, until we learn to face the unpopular truth head on without these excuses.



The first step is to actually hear what the speaker is saying. The problem is that, when you hear or see something that's unpopular but true, you start evaluating and conceptualizing it as it gets amplified through emotions in a quick short stage of processing in which you are compelled to make a hasty decision. This decision is filtered by prior experiences, fears, and even pride, which in the end changes the perception or the input to what you are willing to accept of it and not what that input was intended to be viewed or understood. These extraneous outside factors affect your honesty within your own belief system as well as subject to simple errors distorting ones outlook on the subject.

That is why there is always a problem being a real honest teacher in a world that seeks displacement and excuses rather then insightful solutions. It seems it is always the teachers of the unpopular truth throughout the ages who have been persecuted, not for who they were and what they offered, but because they hit the raw nerve of the ego of man or were a threat to the status quo.


Ever hear of the good teacher is unpopular syndrome? Students hate the teacher who tries to get them to do work and stay straight in their path in order to grow in intellect and purpose. However, they love the teacher who lets them get away with everything. So to them the good teacher is evil, but the failed teacher is nice, even though in reality the poor teacher is not leading them to be all they could and should be. It's like the gentiles who have love for Paul the apostate Pharisee who removes all homework (deeds and commands), but have dislike for the true Jews who tried to teach these proper values that brought civility.

Nice irony there for you of all people to come to the defense and side with a person who said that all Jews are liars.

What are you?

His affectionate uncle Screwtape?

Uh, you are a Christian, so you automatically think all Jews are liars. I saw you cozy up to a radical atheists in the same accusation, so you finally are realizing your behavior is troublesome, but how does your response attacking me or Mudda disprove what I said when your response is exactly what I was describing.
Now regarding Mudda,
I know what kinda routine he used to play, and I would respond according to that behavior and reach and teach in doing so.
I haven't seen the former antisemitic behavior lately.
It's your faith that claims forgiveness and
hate the sin not the sinner and to change their hearts, now you are busting on me for doing so. Once again proving you trash your own teachings just to get your ad hominems onto me. But you also inadvertantly pointed out the difference between how Jews treat their critics (using knowledge & truth and humor) as opposed to how Christians and cults use ad hominem, demonization, & violence. Remember, truth needs no such folly, only a great lie does.

 

[RWS]

My hope is that a direct encounter with ET's will be the intervention that religions need, to stop killing each other and start working together. And understand new truths, and come to mutual understanding of the universe. After being taught by an alien race that is far ahead of us in knowledge and intelligence.

But It possibly already happened a long time ago, before religions existed. And once gone, religions based on greed proliferated.

So any new alien encounter, has to convince the billions of brainwashed masses that the aliens know better and can show them a more fruitful way to "salvation"...

That'll never happen because they won't let go. So we'll end up as a society where people believe in crazy radical supernatural thoughts, or accept science.

Kind of like where we are now... minus the aliens...

You should start a movement to ban religion. If only there was a historical precedence for doing so, right?

It should be banned. In the ones where people are willing to kill for it. And those are the ones that we're arguing about.

But you know we can't ban it, because that'll lead to more strife, and that's not the way to roll. That's why we need an alien intervention...

And why I think this is a great thread!

The question is, will religious fanatics like you accept it, if aliens land peacefully and teach us about the universe?

Or, will you still continue to believe in your Santa Claus religions and claim that they know nothing, and mount a revolt in the name of "God"?

 

[RWS]

Because if they can somehow travel here tomorrow, that crossing of space that it took is still infinitely more believable than magic.

And if they can land here tomorrow, there's no reason why they couldn't have come in the past. And be the source of the religions founded upon a magical god.

The Sumerians called them the Anunnaki, which means "those who came from heaven to earth". "Heaven" meaning the skies. And supposedly, the Anunnaki created humans, and taught us a lot. Including things that we take for granted today. An ancient human that does not understand science will easily mistake these people for being magical, or supernatural. But the Sumerians did not look at them this way. They were simply their rulers.

It took the "telephone game" and plagiarism to eventually convert them to supernatural "Gods" for the benefit of ingenious rulers who realized they could make money and power out of the original ideas, by claiming that they could still communicate with them.

Thus sprang religion, and all our problems today.

 

[HaShev]

My hope is that a direct encounter with ET's will be the intervention that religions need, to stop killing each other and start working together. And understand new truths, and come to mutual understanding of the universe. After being taught by an alien race that is far ahead of us in knowledge and intelligence.

But It possibly already happened a long time ago, before religions existed. And once gone, religions based on greed proliferated.

So any new alien encounter, has to convince the billions of brainwashed masses that the aliens know better and can show them a more fruitful way to "salvation"...

That'll never happen because they won't let go. So we'll end up as a society where people believe in crazy radical supernatural thoughts, or accept science.

Kind of like where we are now... minus the aliens...

You should start a movement to ban religion. If only there was a historical precedence for doing so, right?

It should be banned. In the ones where people are willing to kill for it. And those are the ones that we're arguing about.

But you know we can't ban it, because that'll lead to more strife, and that's not the way to roll. That's why we need an alien intervention...

And why I think this is a great thread!

The question is, will religious fanatics like you accept it, if aliens land peacefully and teach us about the universe?

Or, will you still continue to believe in your Santa Claus religions and claim that they know nothing, and mount a revolt in the name of "God"?

Good point, and now it opens up the same premise of INTERVENTION from that which knows outcomes already as well as being more advanced.
Aka, our future interacting to warn and shape the past to bring heaven (world perfected to come) closer to earth (imperfect not yet stable world).
We already proved sound capable of being sent faster then light and holographs are made up of light should be easy to do through photons in the the same manner with advanced future if not already, and isn't that the exact description of Lucifer Jesus eminating luciferous light which came to both Paul and Constantine's visions?
So if they claimed the stories real they have to face the reality that they can be manipulated or mistaken by future advanced technology held oppressors or subversions not just outter species.
It would explain why the Torah has computer like code including mentioning computer in that code in the time to come now description in Dan 12:1-4.
It would explain why the Tanakh chapter verses align with the dates of the described prophetic events. It would explain a bush that talks but doesn't burn (holograph).
It would explain more emaculate then ancient man human messengers and messages.
The Hebrew for heaven is Olam Habah (world to come)=future.
This is common sense unless you're a Stasist and can't imagine future advancements beyond 50-100 years instead of thousands & thousands.

 

[hobelim]

Uh, you are a Christian, so you automatically think all Jews are liars. I saw you cozy up to a radical atheists in the same accusation, so you finally are realizing your behavior is troublesome, but how does your response attacking me or Mudda disprove what I said when your response is exactly what I was describing.

No, I do not think that all Jews are liars and I am not a Christian. But you knew that already, didn't you....And radical atheists have valid arguments and point out flaws in your and other professed religious beliefs that can never be resolved honestly by any believer of any religion based on the embrace of archaic superstitious lore resulting from the failure to understand basic literary expressions and instructional techniques used in scripture by teachers in the past...

And if you really don't like people calling you a liar and a fraud, don't make the claim that you are the long awaited messiah, the highest advanced form of life next to God himself, who will bring peace to the world just as soon as you are installed as the high priest of a temple where animals are slaughtered...even though you have never seen or heard a single word from God in your entire life, no dreams no visions, no revelations or teaching from God given directly to you to give to people.

you should have learned this a long time ago, but some things just cannot be faked.....

You can cry about ad hominem attacks all you like, but for as long as you continue to perpetuate falsehood and perjure yourself in the name of the Lord, I will continue to expose you as a liar.

 

[Mudda]

Religion was invented by aliens to deflect the attention away from themselves and how they turned us from apes into intelligent beings in such a short time.

 

[HaShev]

Um what transformation, these people are still flinging dung at each other to stupid to notice that pitting against each other instead of working together to move forward is spiteing themselves from the benefits of a stable advanced life.
Truely if a higher being would involve in such a thing they would have evolved dolphins instead of poop flingers. Then at least
we'd admire the Churches fish head hats instead of laugh at those silly costumes.

 

[HaShev]

Uh, you are a Christian, so you automatically think all Jews are liars. I saw you cozy up to a radical atheists in the same accusation, so you finally are realizing your behavior is troublesome, but how does your response attacking me or Mudda disprove what I said when your response is exactly what I was describing.

No, I do not think that all Jews are liars and I am not a Christian. But you knew that already, didn't you....And radical atheists have valid arguments and point out flaws in your and other professed religious beliefs that can never be resolved honestly by any believer of any religion based on the embrace of archaic superstitious lore resulting from the failure to understand basic literary expressions and instructional techniques used in scripture by teachers in the past...

And if you really don't like people calling you a liar and a fraud, don't make the claim that you are the long awaited messiah, the highest advanced form of life next to God himself, who will bring peace to the world just as soon as you are installed as the high priest of a temple where animals are slaughtered...even though you have never seen or heard a single word from God in your entire life, no dreams no visions, no revelations or teaching from God given directly to you to give to people.

you should have learned this a long time ago, but some things just cannot be faked.....

You can cry about ad hominem attacks all you like, but for as long as you continue to perpetuate falsehood and perjure yourself in the name of the Lord, I will continue to expose you as a liar.

That had to be by far one of your dumbest posts ever that only proves all my points, in that you made excuses for your
ad hominems while making another
ad hominem and then not backing your conclusions which are your opinions you needed to lie to accuse lying. Meaning once again you think you are a god (think you know what you never had a chance to come across knowing), but of course we all know you think you are satan(the accuser), you eluded to it many times and never denied that. So do you go with the red tie or black tie when you dress up as your dissociative character?
For Halloween do you dress like an angel or a pretty little ballerina?