How's this for a political dilemma?

[frigidweirdo]

Briton convicted of importing child sex doll in landmark case

This guy has been convicted of having a sex doll. It just happens to be a doll of a child.

Now, pedophilia is quite rightly outlaws. Minors cannot consent to sex, it's just wrong no matter how you look at it.

The basis of human rights are that you can do whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

No, pedophilia hurts others. Even the photos of children harms the children and should not be done. But a sex doll, does it harm children?

So, while you might think what is going on in this guy's brain as being completely fucked up, having not acted on his pedophilia and actually done anything (that we know about in this case, whether he has is not relevant to this topic) to harm children, should he be locked up?

 

[Moonglow]

From now on they will be finding sex dolls with their legs sawed off at the knees...

 

[emilynghiem]

Briton convicted of importing child sex doll in landmark case

This guy has been convicted of having a sex doll. It just happens to be a doll of a child.

Now, pedophilia is quite rightly outlaws. Minors cannot consent to sex, it's just wrong no matter how you look at it.

The basis of human rights are that you can do whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

No, pedophilia hurts others. Even the photos of children harms the children and should not be done. But a sex doll, does it harm children?

So, while you might think what is going on in this guy's brain as being completely fucked up, having not acted on his pedophilia and actually done anything (that we know about in this case, whether he has is not relevant to this topic) to harm children, should he be locked up?

Dear frigidweirdo

If it's counted as an obscene banned object by import laws, it's a violation.
Similar to marijuana being a banned substance even if the intent was using it for noncriminal or even medical reasons.

If this man had been under the care of a doctor who is supervising
recovery from pedophilia, and this device is used as part of patient treatment,
that might be the equivalent of registering "medical marijuana" use under
the supervision of a licensed medical professional.

There is more support for marijuana made legal if it is regulated like other prescription medications. And not being abused to support an addiction or other illegal activity.

And maybe in the case of treating a pedophile, then certain exceptions can be made for medical treatment and
therapy that is supervised by a licensed doctor (who can then be policed or suspended if this license were abused for fraud).

 

[frigidweirdo]

Briton convicted of importing child sex doll in landmark case

This guy has been convicted of having a sex doll. It just happens to be a doll of a child.

Now, pedophilia is quite rightly outlaws. Minors cannot consent to sex, it's just wrong no matter how you look at it.

The basis of human rights are that you can do whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

No, pedophilia hurts others. Even the photos of children harms the children and should not be done. But a sex doll, does it harm children?

So, while you might think what is going on in this guy's brain as being completely fucked up, having not acted on his pedophilia and actually done anything (that we know about in this case, whether he has is not relevant to this topic) to harm children, should he be locked up?

Dear frigidweirdo

If it's counted as an obscene banned object by import laws, it's a violation.
Similar to marijuana being a banned substance even if the intent was using it for noncriminal or even medical reasons.

If this man had been under the care of a doctor who is supervising
recovery from pedophilia, and this device is used as part of patient treatment,
that might be the equivalent of registering "medical marijuana" use under
the supervision of a licensed medical professional.

There is more support for marijuana made legal if it is regulated like other prescription medications. And not being abused to support an addiction or other illegal activity.

And maybe in the case of treating a pedophile, then certain exceptions can be made for medical treatment and
therapy that is supervised by a licensed doctor (who can then be policed or suspended if this license were abused for fraud).

I'm not really looking at this from a simple criminal matter. More from a moral matter. Like, if you were in charge of making the laws, would this be allowed or not, and why?

 

[emilynghiem]

Briton convicted of importing child sex doll in landmark case

This guy has been convicted of having a sex doll. It just happens to be a doll of a child.

Now, pedophilia is quite rightly outlaws. Minors cannot consent to sex, it's just wrong no matter how you look at it.

The basis of human rights are that you can do whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

No, pedophilia hurts others. Even the photos of children harms the children and should not be done. But a sex doll, does it harm children?

So, while you might think what is going on in this guy's brain as being completely fucked up, having not acted on his pedophilia and actually done anything (that we know about in this case, whether he has is not relevant to this topic) to harm children, should he be locked up?

Dear frigidweirdo

If it's counted as an obscene banned object by import laws, it's a violation.
Similar to marijuana being a banned substance even if the intent was using it for noncriminal or even medical reasons.

If this man had been under the care of a doctor who is supervising
recovery from pedophilia, and this device is used as part of patient treatment,
that might be the equivalent of registering "medical marijuana" use under
the supervision of a licensed medical professional.

There is more support for marijuana made legal if it is regulated like other prescription medications. And not being abused to support an addiction or other illegal activity.

And maybe in the case of treating a pedophile, then certain exceptions can be made for medical treatment and
therapy that is supervised by a licensed doctor (who can then be policed or suspended if this license were abused for fraud).

I'm not really looking at this from a simple criminal matter. More from a moral matter. Like, if you were in charge of making the laws, would this be allowed or not, and why?

I would look at this guy as having a criminal illness.
So the top priority is getting him specialized help.
If he can get that help better with probation, fine.
But if it has to be part of his sentence because his addiction is so bad
he won't obey without a court order, then whatever gets the guy the right help
is what I would recommend to the court and judge.

the Kind of doctors I would recommend for treating pedophilia addictions:
Dr. Phillip Goldfedder www.healingisyours.com
Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt www.christianhealingmin.org
I would have them consult on finding a specialist this man responds to.
And require treatment for his criminal illness so he does not impose a threat
to himself or anyone else. That is the goal and any decisions should be for public health and safety.

 

[TNHarley]

Thats a tricky one!
One hand its just a damn doll. On the other, it could contribute to pedophilic urges. Likely even develop a morbid sexual fantasy.

 

[oldsoul]

Briton convicted of importing child sex doll in landmark case

This guy has been convicted of having a sex doll. It just happens to be a doll of a child.

Now, pedophilia is quite rightly outlaws. Minors cannot consent to sex, it's just wrong no matter how you look at it.

The basis of human rights are that you can do whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

No, pedophilia hurts others. Even the photos of children harms the children and should not be done. But a sex doll, does it harm children?

So, while you might think what is going on in this guy's brain as being completely fucked up, having not acted on his pedophilia and actually done anything (that we know about in this case, whether he has is not relevant to this topic) to harm children, should he be locked up?

Dear frigidweirdo

If it's counted as an obscene banned object by import laws, it's a violation.
Similar to marijuana being a banned substance even if the intent was using it for noncriminal or even medical reasons.

If this man had been under the care of a doctor who is supervising
recovery from pedophilia, and this device is used as part of patient treatment,
that might be the equivalent of registering "medical marijuana" use under
the supervision of a licensed medical professional.

There is more support for marijuana made legal if it is regulated like other prescription medications. And not being abused to support an addiction or other illegal activity.

And maybe in the case of treating a pedophile, then certain exceptions can be made for medical treatment and
therapy that is supervised by a licensed doctor (who can then be policed or suspended if this license were abused for fraud).

I'm not really looking at this from a simple criminal matter. More from a moral matter. Like, if you were in charge of making the laws, would this be allowed or not, and why?

For what it's worth:

As to whether or not this man should be jailed- I don't see were he has hurt anyone, therefore, by MY morals, no he should not be jailed. However:

As to whether this type of "doll" should be allowed- No, it should not. There should be a small fine or other penalty attached to the possession of such a thing. Say $20, or so, with the stipulation of the person obtaining reasonable mental health evaluation and treatment. The reason for this, is to make it easier to justify tracking them, and thus monitoring those who have them in the future, in an attempt to protect the public safety. As long as his behaviour is limited to acts, in the privacy of his own home, with this "doll", and no acts are hurtful to anyone else, I see no problem with it on a legal front. That said, I cannot imagine a scenario where this would not escalate to harmful behaviour. Therefore, it should be legally "discouraged, and treated more as a mental health issue than a criminal issue.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Briton convicted of importing child sex doll in landmark case

This guy has been convicted of having a sex doll. It just happens to be a doll of a child.

Now, pedophilia is quite rightly outlaws. Minors cannot consent to sex, it's just wrong no matter how you look at it.

The basis of human rights are that you can do whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

No, pedophilia hurts others. Even the photos of children harms the children and should not be done. But a sex doll, does it harm children?

So, while you might think what is going on in this guy's brain as being completely fucked up, having not acted on his pedophilia and actually done anything (that we know about in this case, whether he has is not relevant to this topic) to harm children, should he be locked up?

Dear frigidweirdo

If it's counted as an obscene banned object by import laws, it's a violation.
Similar to marijuana being a banned substance even if the intent was using it for noncriminal or even medical reasons.

If this man had been under the care of a doctor who is supervising
recovery from pedophilia, and this device is used as part of patient treatment,
that might be the equivalent of registering "medical marijuana" use under
the supervision of a licensed medical professional.

There is more support for marijuana made legal if it is regulated like other prescription medications. And not being abused to support an addiction or other illegal activity.

And maybe in the case of treating a pedophile, then certain exceptions can be made for medical treatment and
therapy that is supervised by a licensed doctor (who can then be policed or suspended if this license were abused for fraud).

I'm not really looking at this from a simple criminal matter. More from a moral matter. Like, if you were in charge of making the laws, would this be allowed or not, and why?

I would look at this guy as having a criminal illness.
So the top priority is getting him specialized help.
If he can get that help better with probation, fine.
But if it has to be part of his sentence because his addiction is so bad
he won't obey without a court order, then whatever gets the guy the right help
is what I would recommend to the court and judge.

the Kind of doctors I would recommend for treating pedophilia addictions:
Dr. Phillip Goldfedder www.healingisyours.com
Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt www.christianhealingmin.org
I would have them consult on finding a specialist this man responds to.
And require treatment for his criminal illness so he does not impose a threat
to himself or anyone else. That is the goal and any decisions should be for public health and safety.

But you can have an illness, but not do anything wrong, should be locked up for it? Surely, unless someone has committed an act, or is a threat of committing such an act (like insane people) then what's the problem?

Personally I don't really know which way to go.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Briton convicted of importing child sex doll in landmark case

This guy has been convicted of having a sex doll. It just happens to be a doll of a child.

Now, pedophilia is quite rightly outlaws. Minors cannot consent to sex, it's just wrong no matter how you look at it.

The basis of human rights are that you can do whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

No, pedophilia hurts others. Even the photos of children harms the children and should not be done. But a sex doll, does it harm children?

So, while you might think what is going on in this guy's brain as being completely fucked up, having not acted on his pedophilia and actually done anything (that we know about in this case, whether he has is not relevant to this topic) to harm children, should he be locked up?

Dear frigidweirdo

If it's counted as an obscene banned object by import laws, it's a violation.
Similar to marijuana being a banned substance even if the intent was using it for noncriminal or even medical reasons.

If this man had been under the care of a doctor who is supervising
recovery from pedophilia, and this device is used as part of patient treatment,
that might be the equivalent of registering "medical marijuana" use under
the supervision of a licensed medical professional.

There is more support for marijuana made legal if it is regulated like other prescription medications. And not being abused to support an addiction or other illegal activity.

And maybe in the case of treating a pedophile, then certain exceptions can be made for medical treatment and
therapy that is supervised by a licensed doctor (who can then be policed or suspended if this license were abused for fraud).

I'm not really looking at this from a simple criminal matter. More from a moral matter. Like, if you were in charge of making the laws, would this be allowed or not, and why?

For what it's worth:

As to whether or not this man should be jailed- I don't see were he has hurt anyone, therefore, by MY morals, no he should not be jailed. However:

As to whether this type of "doll" should be allowed- No, it should not. There should be a small fine or other penalty attached to the possession of such a thing. Say $20, or so, with the stipulation of the person obtaining reasonable mental health evaluation and treatment. The reason for this, is to make it easier to justify tracking them, and thus monitoring those who have them in the future, in an attempt to protect the public safety. As long as his behaviour is limited to acts, in the privacy of his own home, with this "doll", and no acts are hurtful to anyone else, I see no problem with it on a legal front. That said, I cannot imagine a scenario where this would not escalate to harmful behaviour. Therefore, it should be legally "discouraged, and treated more as a mental health issue than a criminal issue.

Why should the doll not be allowed?

For example, I'm under the impression that since porn has become so prevalent in society through the internet, that rape and other crimes have been reduced. If someone can get off and then not walk around frustrated, then that's beneficial to society right?

I mean, if the guy is free, he might need to find some sort of outlet for his problem, and if he hasn't gone through the morally bad and illegal avenues, then....

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

This is gross discussion matter; I'm going to have to take mulligan on this one.

 

[blastoff]

If I was in charge I'd take the doll away from him. Especially if it was a she and good looking.

 

[emilynghiem]

Briton convicted of importing child sex doll in landmark case

This guy has been convicted of having a sex doll. It just happens to be a doll of a child.

Now, pedophilia is quite rightly outlaws. Minors cannot consent to sex, it's just wrong no matter how you look at it.

The basis of human rights are that you can do whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

No, pedophilia hurts others. Even the photos of children harms the children and should not be done. But a sex doll, does it harm children?

So, while you might think what is going on in this guy's brain as being completely fucked up, having not acted on his pedophilia and actually done anything (that we know about in this case, whether he has is not relevant to this topic) to harm children, should he be locked up?

Dear frigidweirdo

If it's counted as an obscene banned object by import laws, it's a violation.
Similar to marijuana being a banned substance even if the intent was using it for noncriminal or even medical reasons.

If this man had been under the care of a doctor who is supervising
recovery from pedophilia, and this device is used as part of patient treatment,
that might be the equivalent of registering "medical marijuana" use under
the supervision of a licensed medical professional.

There is more support for marijuana made legal if it is regulated like other prescription medications. And not being abused to support an addiction or other illegal activity.

And maybe in the case of treating a pedophile, then certain exceptions can be made for medical treatment and
therapy that is supervised by a licensed doctor (who can then be policed or suspended if this license were abused for fraud).

I'm not really looking at this from a simple criminal matter. More from a moral matter. Like, if you were in charge of making the laws, would this be allowed or not, and why?

I would look at this guy as having a criminal illness.
So the top priority is getting him specialized help.
If he can get that help better with probation, fine.
But if it has to be part of his sentence because his addiction is so bad
he won't obey without a court order, then whatever gets the guy the right help
is what I would recommend to the court and judge.

the Kind of doctors I would recommend for treating pedophilia addictions:
Dr. Phillip Goldfedder www.healingisyours.com
Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt www.christianhealingmin.org
I would have them consult on finding a specialist this man responds to.
And require treatment for his criminal illness so he does not impose a threat
to himself or anyone else. That is the goal and any decisions should be for public health and safety.

But you can have an illness, but not do anything wrong, should be locked up for it? Surely, unless someone has committed an act, or is a threat of committing such an act (like insane people) then what's the problem?

Personally I don't really know which way to go.

No, I'm not talking about locking someone up for having a criminal illness, not unless they are deemed such a danger to themselves or others, it's like "involuntary commitment" because they did threaten to the point of causing a breach of the peace etc.

I'm talking about if the person in this case is so criminally ill with his addiction that he violates other laws to serve his addiction. If it is illegal to import obscene objects, and this counts as a violation of import laws, then yes he broke that law.

So you would have to break or breach a laws in order to be convicted of something that by law allows liberty to be deprived.

Don't mix the two up. the criminal illness actually allows people to get probation if they are unable to function, they have such a behavioral or mental disorder they could not choose or determine right from wrong.

the violation of a law is what triggers the govt authority to subject someone to a process of determining guilt or innocence of that violation before depriving any liberties.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Briton convicted of importing child sex doll in landmark case

This guy has been convicted of having a sex doll. It just happens to be a doll of a child.

Now, pedophilia is quite rightly outlaws. Minors cannot consent to sex, it's just wrong no matter how you look at it.

The basis of human rights are that you can do whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

No, pedophilia hurts others. Even the photos of children harms the children and should not be done. But a sex doll, does it harm children?

So, while you might think what is going on in this guy's brain as being completely fucked up, having not acted on his pedophilia and actually done anything (that we know about in this case, whether he has is not relevant to this topic) to harm children, should he be locked up?

Dear frigidweirdo

If it's counted as an obscene banned object by import laws, it's a violation.
Similar to marijuana being a banned substance even if the intent was using it for noncriminal or even medical reasons.

If this man had been under the care of a doctor who is supervising
recovery from pedophilia, and this device is used as part of patient treatment,
that might be the equivalent of registering "medical marijuana" use under
the supervision of a licensed medical professional.

There is more support for marijuana made legal if it is regulated like other prescription medications. And not being abused to support an addiction or other illegal activity.

And maybe in the case of treating a pedophile, then certain exceptions can be made for medical treatment and
therapy that is supervised by a licensed doctor (who can then be policed or suspended if this license were abused for fraud).

I'm not really looking at this from a simple criminal matter. More from a moral matter. Like, if you were in charge of making the laws, would this be allowed or not, and why?

I would look at this guy as having a criminal illness.
So the top priority is getting him specialized help.
If he can get that help better with probation, fine.
But if it has to be part of his sentence because his addiction is so bad
he won't obey without a court order, then whatever gets the guy the right help
is what I would recommend to the court and judge.

the Kind of doctors I would recommend for treating pedophilia addictions:
Dr. Phillip Goldfedder www.healingisyours.com
Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt www.christianhealingmin.org
I would have them consult on finding a specialist this man responds to.
And require treatment for his criminal illness so he does not impose a threat
to himself or anyone else. That is the goal and any decisions should be for public health and safety.

But you can have an illness, but not do anything wrong, should be locked up for it? Surely, unless someone has committed an act, or is a threat of committing such an act (like insane people) then what's the problem?

Personally I don't really know which way to go.

No, I'm not talking about locking someone up for having a criminal illness, not unless they are deemed such a danger to themselves or others, it's like "involuntary commitment" because they did threaten to the point of causing a breach of the peace etc.

I'm talking about if the person in this case is so criminally ill with his addiction that he violates other laws to serve his addiction. If it is illegal to import obscene objects, and this counts as a violation of import laws, then yes he broke that law.

So you would have to break or breach a laws in order to be convicted of something that by law allows liberty to be deprived.

Don't mix the two up. the criminal illness actually allows people to get probation if they are unable to function, they have such a behavioral or mental disorder they could not choose or determine right from wrong.

the violation of a law is what triggers the govt authority to subject someone to a process of determining guilt or innocence of that violation before depriving any liberties.

But I'm talking here about whether something should be illegal. Not just "It's illegal so the govt has to do this", well they don't have to make it illegal in the first place, and this is where the issue is important.

 

[oldsoul]

Briton convicted of importing child sex doll in landmark case

This guy has been convicted of having a sex doll. It just happens to be a doll of a child.

Now, pedophilia is quite rightly outlaws. Minors cannot consent to sex, it's just wrong no matter how you look at it.

The basis of human rights are that you can do whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

No, pedophilia hurts others. Even the photos of children harms the children and should not be done. But a sex doll, does it harm children?

So, while you might think what is going on in this guy's brain as being completely fucked up, having not acted on his pedophilia and actually done anything (that we know about in this case, whether he has is not relevant to this topic) to harm children, should he be locked up?

Dear frigidweirdo

If it's counted as an obscene banned object by import laws, it's a violation.
Similar to marijuana being a banned substance even if the intent was using it for noncriminal or even medical reasons.

If this man had been under the care of a doctor who is supervising
recovery from pedophilia, and this device is used as part of patient treatment,
that might be the equivalent of registering "medical marijuana" use under
the supervision of a licensed medical professional.

There is more support for marijuana made legal if it is regulated like other prescription medications. And not being abused to support an addiction or other illegal activity.

And maybe in the case of treating a pedophile, then certain exceptions can be made for medical treatment and
therapy that is supervised by a licensed doctor (who can then be policed or suspended if this license were abused for fraud).

I'm not really looking at this from a simple criminal matter. More from a moral matter. Like, if you were in charge of making the laws, would this be allowed or not, and why?

For what it's worth:

As to whether or not this man should be jailed- I don't see were he has hurt anyone, therefore, by MY morals, no he should not be jailed. However:

As to whether this type of "doll" should be allowed- No, it should not. There should be a small fine or other penalty attached to the possession of such a thing. Say $20, or so, with the stipulation of the person obtaining reasonable mental health evaluation and treatment. The reason for this, is to make it easier to justify tracking them, and thus monitoring those who have them in the future, in an attempt to protect the public safety. As long as his behaviour is limited to acts, in the privacy of his own home, with this "doll", and no acts are hurtful to anyone else, I see no problem with it on a legal front. That said, I cannot imagine a scenario where this would not escalate to harmful behaviour. Therefore, it should be legally "discouraged, and treated more as a mental health issue than a criminal issue.

Why should the doll not be allowed?

For example, I'm under the impression that since porn has become so prevalent in society through the internet, that rape and other crimes have been reduced. If someone can get off and then not walk around frustrated, then that's beneficial to society right?

I mean, if the guy is free, he might need to find some sort of outlet for his problem, and if he hasn't gone through the morally bad and illegal avenues, then....

You make a good point. If there is a way to identify who is purchasing these aside from making them illegal, I would be all for it. Any suggestions?

 

[JOSweetHeart]

If I was in charge I'd take the doll away from him. Especially if it was a she and good looking.

What if taking the doll from him made him go after a real person?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[Addisilliams]

If don't use a child sex doll to help pedophiles, pedophiles will look back at the children, which will put the children in a more dangerous situation.