hypothetical scenario- armed teacher

[OKTexas]

Everyone isn't saying that. Only your fellow gun control kooks are. The claim that it's more effective was disproven in FL. "Expertly trained security" is also very expensive. It's cheaper to pay bonuses to a dozen teachers to train and carry a concealed weapon than it is to have one full time security gaurd.

Exactly what would be required in this training? Would it be simply becoming proficient in shooting at a static target? If so, what kind of shooting scores would be required for the teachers to carry?

Or, would they be required to take tactical shooting courses so that they would learn how to use cover and fire a weapon from different positions?

When I was part of the Security Force, it took me 4 months before I qualified for my Expert Sharpshooter Medal. And, that was training for 1 week out of every month, with a couple of days reserved for range time. Not only did we learn to shoot from various positions using various kinds of cover, but we were also taught ammo control.

And....................how many hours a month are these teachers going to have to train to qualify for their bonuses?

These are questions that should be answered when you say to train teachers to carry weapons in school.

Was your training based on the likely enemy of one or two armed amateurs attacking the base?

Random shooters were part of the training, but so was riot and crowd control.

Actually had to use that once when we had a visiting ship that got protested by the locals.

SO, the scenario(s) envisioned for the armed teachers were just a part of your training.


So, comparing YOUR training, as a prime response team to a lot of potential, and very high level threats, to that for a last ditch back up defense, against a much more limited and smaller threat,

is not reasonable.

Okay..................what kind of training would YOU require for the teachers to have? Being able to shoot a tight group at a target is just a small part of it, because in active shooter situations, the target is shooting back.

And yeah, I DO think it's important for a teacher to know different shooting positions, Weaver stance, on one knee, knowing how to take cover behind doors and windows, etc.

So...............again.................what kind of training would YOU require teachers to have so they could carry in schools? Is being able to shoot accurately enough, or should there be more?

Send them to a two week gun fighting course at Front Site in AZ.


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[OKTexas]

Great point. Why is everyone acting like a freaking teacher should go grab a gun and turn into Rambo?

99% of these stupid shits are clueless RW's - making intelligent/complex decisions totally escapes them.

I've been to a two way rifle range in Vietnam, have you?


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no ... but Im not a dumbass.

on second thought -- if you are talking about a firefight in a combat situation, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

if not, my other comment stands

That's exactly what I'm talking about, many teachers have combat experience also,.....


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How many?

I know 5 personally, 2 of them are competitive shooters and I live in a small town. I also know a couple of undertakers who would make out pretty well if a shooter isn't stopped.


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[OKTexas]

Random shooters were part of the training, but so was riot and crowd control.

Actually had to use that once when we had a visiting ship that got protested by the locals.

SO, the scenario(s) envisioned for the armed teachers were just a part of your training.


So, comparing YOUR training, as a prime response team to a lot of potential, and very high level threats, to that for a last ditch back up defense, against a much more limited and smaller threat,

is not reasonable.

Okay..................what kind of training would YOU require for the teachers to have? Being able to shoot a tight group at a target is just a small part of it, because in active shooter situations, the target is shooting back.

And yeah, I DO think it's important for a teacher to know different shooting positions, Weaver stance, on one knee, knowing how to take cover behind doors and windows, etc.

So...............again.................what kind of training would YOU require teachers to have so they could carry in schools? Is being able to shoot accurately enough, or should there be more?

its an entirely NEW GAME when there are rounds whizzing by your head .. human nature is to protect yourself first even for trained personnel ... HIGHLY TRAINED INDIVIDUALS like Navy Seals or special op soldiers who have faced combat situations could get it done but even they wear body armor ...

RW's cant grasp the big picture and never could.

What you can't grasp is that having a gun and knowing how to shoot it is 1,000,000 times better than having nothing. Concealed carry holders have saved lives whenever they have been on the scene with a mass shooter. You just can't get around that irrefutable fact.

Maybe he will after reading these articles:

12 Mass Shootings That Were Stopped by A Few Good Guys With Guns

Concealed Permit Holder Stops Attempted Mass Shooting in Chicago

He won't read them, he's made up his mind and doesn't want to be confused by the FACTS.


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[AntonToo]

A good guy with a gun has never shot an innocent person. Their record is far better than the record of cops.

Probably because when they do you go "ooopps, guess he wasn't good"

Texas 'good guy with a gun' shoots carjacking victim in head -- then runs away

Good guy with a gun endangers innocent people

Texas police shoot man who disarmed possible church shooter

The same day as the school shooting, police shot a good guy with a gun | Opinion

 

[toobfreak]

you're the Athletic Director, you're in your office (front left beside the sign over the door) - you hear shooting and kids screaming for their life .. you open the gun safe in your closet, get your Glock 23 semi auto 9mm pistol and start out the door ... at the other end of the hall theres a kid standing at the bottom of the stairs with a semi auto AR 15 spraying shots down the hall in your direction as fast as he can squeeze the trigger, and bullets whizzing by you one after the other .. lets say those stairs are at least 45-50 steps, probably more... a lengthy shot for a pistol whatever the exact distance ... under those conditions, students running every direction, crowded hallway - could

YOU

leave your room, stay under total control,take careful aim and kill or wound the shooter stopping him from killing students without hitting and injuring any kids yourself?

Ive been around guns all of my life. I started shooting .22 rimfire pistols when I was 6 - .357 mag pistols when I was 12. I rate the degree of difficulty in that exact scenario on a scale of 1-10 .. 100+

what would you do ?

Let's be real here, Siete:

You are beyond hypothesizing let alone analyzing a scenario that you know deep down in your heart, you basically just want to denounce and discredit as a foolhardy way of dealing with school violence. Admit it. So just stop wasting our time under the guise of trying to do any sort of legitimate analysis. You and we all know that no matter what, your conclusions will only be one thing: Arming teachers is a big mistake and the ONLY solution is the IMPOSSIBLE ONE: To make guns somehow magically disappear from the planet.

 

[Siete]

you're the Athletic Director, you're in your office (front left beside the sign over the door) - you hear shooting and kids screaming for their life .. you open the gun safe in your closet, get your Glock 23 semi auto 9mm pistol and start out the door ... at the other end of the hall theres a kid standing at the bottom of the stairs with a semi auto AR 15 spraying shots down the hall in your direction as fast as he can squeeze the trigger, and bullets whizzing by you one after the other .. lets say those stairs are at least 45-50 steps, probably more... a lengthy shot for a pistol whatever the exact distance ... under those conditions, students running every direction, crowded hallway - could

YOU

leave your room, stay under total control,take careful aim and kill or wound the shooter stopping him from killing students without hitting and injuring any kids yourself?

Ive been around guns all of my life. I started shooting .22 rimfire pistols when I was 6 - .357 mag pistols when I was 12. I rate the degree of difficulty in that exact scenario on a scale of 1-10 .. 100+

what would you do ?

Let's be real here, Siete:

You are beyond hypothesizing let alone analyzing a scenario that you know deep down in your heart, you basically just want to denounce and discredit as a foolhardy way of dealing with school violence. Admit it. So just stop wasting our time under the guise of trying to do any sort of legitimate analysis. You and we all know that no matter what, your conclusions will only be one thing: Arming teachers is a big mistake and the ONLY solution is the IMPOSSIBLE ONE: To make guns somehow magically disappear from the planet.

look dip, I have no desire to make guns vanish. I'm a gun owner and a realist.

Teachers with weapons is like an Autozone selling womens shoes too.

for whatever reason idiot RW's cant fathom the concept of hiring qualified people to do a specific job.

Dumb shits hired a reality TV show host to run the country and they have a soap opera to show for it.

Theres no working legislation in Congress that allows teachers to have a gun so all the rhetoric from Trump is just another diversion from having his sorry ass investigated, keep his base foaming at the mouth, and take some heat of the NRA,

 

[Crixus]

you're the Athletic Director, you're in your office (front left beside the sign over the door) - you hear shooting and kids screaming for their life .. you open the gun safe in your closet, get your Glock 23 semi auto 9mm pistol and start out the door ... at the other end of the hall theres a kid standing at the bottom of the stairs with a semi auto AR 15 spraying shots down the hall in your direction as fast as he can squeeze the trigger, and bullets whizzing by you one after the other .. lets say those stairs are at least 45-50 steps, probably more... a lengthy shot for a pistol whatever the exact distance ... under those conditions, students running every direction, crowded hallway - could

YOU

leave your room, stay under total control,take careful aim and kill or wound the shooter stopping him from killing students without hitting and injuring any kids yourself?

Ive been around guns all of my life. I started shooting .22 rimfire pistols when I was 6 - .357 mag pistols when I was 12. I rate the degree of difficulty in that exact scenario on a scale of 1-10 .. 100+

what would you do ?

Being around guns all your life doesn't mean you have a clue about tactical situations. A shooter only shoots down a hallway for so long before walking, turning, entering rooms etc. The shooter is a 'target of opportunity' and would be stalked, pursued as such...

You are correct on this Kaiser. I grew up in the mountains of Montana, hunting and shooting at varmints and thought I was pretty good with a weapon.

Then.....................I joined the military and found out that I was middle of the road at best.

Then, I volunteered for the Security Force and found out that tactical shooting is MUCH different than just pointing a gun at a target. Not only did we have to learn to shoot from behind cover, but we also were trained in ammo control and conservation. After I'd been a member of the Security Force for around 4 months, I got my Expert Sharpshooter Medal, but that was only because we trained in the Security Force 1 week a month, and had 2 of those days for range practice.

Lots of people say what they would or wouldn't do, but when the actual situation shows up, it turns out to be a different situation all together.

Do I think Trump would have ran in? No. Because if the officer who was trained, had a gun and a vest was too scared to go in, I don't think Trump would have done it unarmed with no vest.

Ah. GMG eh, yeah okay. It was a stupid question and a stupid scenario.the solution is simple and no tacticool Deadpool wannabe or a fake navy seal yamaha riding son of anarchy are needed at all.


1. Ignore all “experts like you and the OP dead pool.

2. Have a bond issue for each district in the state. It can be done to feed wet backs and sports complex, so we can do it so the kids have security. For those in the community who don’t have kids in school, to bad.

3. StY away from making anothe TSA type screw up. Up to date TSA has only been a place to park welfare to work people. Spend the bond money on a REAL security guy, make them a district employee and go from there.



I’m no super hero, navy biker seal. I don’t need to say I am to sell common sense. As it is now, shit like this thread are nothing but an excuse to tell stories. Say, if you are such a gun slinger where are you at? Why aren’t you doing your patriotic deity and volunteering to protect our kids? You and Dead Pool the OP can team up. He been a shooter looter since he was 6.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Theres no working legislation in Congress that allows teachers to have a gun so all the rhetoric from Trump is just another diversion from having his sorry ass investigated, keep his base foaming at the mouth, and take some heat of the NRA,

Of course there isn't because as Trump said, this is not a federal issue, it's a local one.

 

[toobfreak]

look dip, I have no desire to make guns vanish. I'm a gun owner and a realist.

You're a gun owner like I'm a violin player. You probably have one of those cigarette lighters that looks like a Luger.

Teachers with weapons is like an Autozone selling womens shoes too.

Really? You somehow find putting your best defense closest to that sought to be killed, the children? You prefer a Rent-A-Cop old man sleeping down the hall in the principle's office. We just found out that having four armed and trained deputies was about as worthwhile as having a scarecrow guard the school.

for whatever reason idiot RW's cant fathom the concept of hiring qualified people to do a specific job.

Being a trained and skilled gun-owner qualifies you. You don't even know what a given school might have in resources. You discount the idea without even knowing what any school has in needs. Teachers themselves ought to be asked. If so few teachers nationwide are gun-skilled or want to learn, or have an interest in the idea, then I would agree to move on. I bet a lot of teachers are not only CCW licensed, but would be glad to be able to defend themselves in an attack rather than just show the kids where to hide and pray.

Dumb shits hired a reality TV show host to run the country and they have a soap opera to show for it.

I'd agree to that if it were accurate, but we both know a TV show was the very least of Trump's life accomplishments, meantime, odd criticism considering the DNC hired a peanut farmer to run the country as the most inept to come along until Barry showed up, then a coke-blowing, sex-starved, under-aged-raping molester and probable murderer who perjured and was impeached, only to be followed by a community organizer socialist activist.

Theres no working legislation in Congress that allows teachers to have a gun so all the rhetoric from Trump is just another diversion from having his sorry ass investigated, keep his base foaming at the mouth, and take some heat of the NRA,

Its not a matter for Congress to decide, fool, they already fuck too much stuff up and we all know the Democrats would never agree to it anyway, the DNC is a party that if Lincoln were alive today to be assassinated, they would be celebrating John Wilkes Booth as a hero with a national holiday, and Trump doesn't need any diversion from an investigation that was forced by the Left to investigate to find evidence rather than to investigate BECAUSE of evidence, and is going nowhere in its charter cause other than trying to make hay for the DNC because they have none for themselves to sew, and there is no heat on the NRA other than whatever false heat you try to spark up yourselves, on an organization that is to owning guns what the AAA is to driving a car.

Nice try but empty swing. On second thought, not even a good try.

 

[ABikerSailor]

its an entirely NEW GAME when there are rounds whizzing by your head .. human nature is to protect yourself first even for trained personnel ... HIGHLY TRAINED INDIVIDUALS like Navy Seals or special op soldiers who have faced combat situations could get it done but even they wear body armor ...

RW's cant grasp the big picture and never could.

What you can't grasp is that having a gun and knowing how to shoot it is 1,000,000 times better than having nothing. Concealed carry holders have saved lives whenever they have been on the scene with a mass shooter. You just can't get around that irrefutable fact.

In the military, we were taught to assess our shot, make sure that we weren't going to hit something important or someone else, and were also taught ammo control, meaning you shot a couple of rounds, assessed the situation, and fired again if necessary.

What are you going to do when a teacher in the heat of the moment who has never spent any time on a range where you have to identify friendly from foe kills an innocent child because they are full of adrenaline and end up emptying a full clip into a hallway?

No. There has to be training. And, it needs to be quarterly qualifications at a minimum.

No...it should be the same as law enforcement.......

Same as law enforcement? I don't agree. I think the requirements should be at least the same as what I had on the Security Force.

No.....if cops can travel around town with a certain standard then teachers...who are even less likely to ever use their firearm can use the same standard...we are not turning them into SEALS.......we want to get rid of the gun free, target rich environment.....that is the primary benefit of armed staff in schools...

Security Force wasn't even close to being like the SEALs. If you knew anything about SEALs, you wouldn't have made such a stupid statement. Our weapons training consisted of 2 days each month during our week of training.

I don't think that is too much to ask.

BTW...............the initial training I had to become a Security Force member was about 3 weeks. SEALs are in initial training for about a year and a half. Big difference.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Exactly what would be required in this training? Would it be simply becoming proficient in shooting at a static target? If so, what kind of shooting scores would be required for the teachers to carry?

Or, would they be required to take tactical shooting courses so that they would learn how to use cover and fire a weapon from different positions?

When I was part of the Security Force, it took me 4 months before I qualified for my Expert Sharpshooter Medal. And, that was training for 1 week out of every month, with a couple of days reserved for range time. Not only did we learn to shoot from various positions using various kinds of cover, but we were also taught ammo control.

And....................how many hours a month are these teachers going to have to train to qualify for their bonuses?

These are questions that should be answered when you say to train teachers to carry weapons in school.

Was your training based on the likely enemy of one or two armed amateurs attacking the base?

Random shooters were part of the training, but so was riot and crowd control.

Actually had to use that once when we had a visiting ship that got protested by the locals.

SO, the scenario(s) envisioned for the armed teachers were just a part of your training.


So, comparing YOUR training, as a prime response team to a lot of potential, and very high level threats, to that for a last ditch back up defense, against a much more limited and smaller threat,

is not reasonable.

Okay..................what kind of training would YOU require for the teachers to have? Being able to shoot a tight group at a target is just a small part of it, because in active shooter situations, the target is shooting back.

And yeah, I DO think it's important for a teacher to know different shooting positions, Weaver stance, on one knee, knowing how to take cover behind doors and windows, etc.

So...............again.................what kind of training would YOU require teachers to have so they could carry in schools? Is being able to shoot accurately enough, or should there be more?

Send them to a two week gun fighting course at Front Site in AZ.


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Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Two week gun fighting course for initial training. So, next question........................at what level do they need to keep their qualifications, and how often should they be required to recertify their quals? Yes, in the military we had initial training for firearms, but we also kept up range practice every month so that we could be sure to hit what we aimed at.

 

[OKTexas]

Was your training based on the likely enemy of one or two armed amateurs attacking the base?

Random shooters were part of the training, but so was riot and crowd control.

Actually had to use that once when we had a visiting ship that got protested by the locals.

SO, the scenario(s) envisioned for the armed teachers were just a part of your training.


So, comparing YOUR training, as a prime response team to a lot of potential, and very high level threats, to that for a last ditch back up defense, against a much more limited and smaller threat,

is not reasonable.

Okay..................what kind of training would YOU require for the teachers to have? Being able to shoot a tight group at a target is just a small part of it, because in active shooter situations, the target is shooting back.

And yeah, I DO think it's important for a teacher to know different shooting positions, Weaver stance, on one knee, knowing how to take cover behind doors and windows, etc.

So...............again.................what kind of training would YOU require teachers to have so they could carry in schools? Is being able to shoot accurately enough, or should there be more?

Send them to a two week gun fighting course at Front Site in AZ.


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Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Two week gun fighting course for initial training. So, next question........................at what level do they need to keep their qualifications, and how often should they be required to recertify their quals? Yes, in the military we had initial training for firearms, but we also kept up range practice every month so that we could be sure to hit what we aimed at.

I would say semi-annual rage qual and semi-annual training with local law enforcement so the folks know who is who and know the tactics. You do realize that the kids are in more danger going to and from school than they are in school, RIGHT?


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[healthmyths]

Add to that the chaos and confusion of the situation: students and teachers running in all directions, screaming, shouting, the sound of gunfire in the hallway absent hearing protection.

And we can assume teachers would be armed with semi-auto pistols, which require considerable experience and training to be even moderately proficient and accurate.

The idea that armed teachers can prevent school shootings is ignorant idiocy, resulting in only more dead students, shot by mistake by the inexperienced teachers who were supposed to protect them.

YOU guys are IDIOTS!
A) Trump and any logical person WOULD NEVER NEVER force anyone to carry a gun. Totally STUPID to even think that!
B) Trump and logical people have said OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN... ONLY those that want and are qualified!
C) Why are you idiots so consumed with ignoring the FACTS of what Trump and those of us who agree have STATED!

NO teacher would ever EVER be forced.
ONLY qualified TEACHERS that want would be trained and then would have to qualify!

Why are you able to accept a teacher who is qualified by educational credentials to teach... BUT you won't even consider if the TEACHER WANTS and IS QUALIFIED to aid students?
Would you NOT allow a teacher to administer CPR if trained? What is the problem with you dummies?

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, one thing about kids is that they are remarkably observant and curious when they want to be.

If kids know that there are armed teachers when they show up to school, the first thing the kids are going to do is try to figure out who is and isn't armed. And, chances are, they figure it out within 2 to 3 months.


After that? Then that is when the delinquents start talking about the possibility of stealing the teacher's weapon.

That is a formula for disaster.

 

[OKTexas]

you're the Athletic Director, you're in your office (front left beside the sign over the door) - you hear shooting and kids screaming for their life .. you open the gun safe in your closet, get your Glock 23 semi auto 9mm pistol and start out the door ... at the other end of the hall theres a kid standing at the bottom of the stairs with a semi auto AR 15 spraying shots down the hall in your direction as fast as he can squeeze the trigger, and bullets whizzing by you one after the other .. lets say those stairs are at least 45-50 steps, probably more... a lengthy shot for a pistol whatever the exact distance ... under those conditions, students running every direction, crowded hallway - could

YOU

leave your room, stay under total control,take careful aim and kill or wound the shooter stopping him from killing students without hitting and injuring any kids yourself?

Ive been around guns all of my life. I started shooting .22 rimfire pistols when I was 6 - .357 mag pistols when I was 12. I rate the degree of difficulty in that exact scenario on a scale of 1-10 .. 100+

what would you do ?

Let's be real here, Siete:

You are beyond hypothesizing let alone analyzing a scenario that you know deep down in your heart, you basically just want to denounce and discredit as a foolhardy way of dealing with school violence. Admit it. So just stop wasting our time under the guise of trying to do any sort of legitimate analysis. You and we all know that no matter what, your conclusions will only be one thing: Arming teachers is a big mistake and the ONLY solution is the IMPOSSIBLE ONE: To make guns somehow magically disappear from the planet.

look dip, I have no desire to make guns vanish. I'm a gun owner and a realist.

Teachers with weapons is like an Autozone selling womens shoes too.

for whatever reason idiot RW's cant fathom the concept of hiring qualified people to do a specific job.

Dumb shits hired a reality TV show host to run the country and they have a soap opera to show for it.

Theres no working legislation in Congress that allows teachers to have a gun so all the rhetoric from Trump is just another diversion from having his sorry ass investigated, keep his base foaming at the mouth, and take some heat of the NRA,

There are armed teachers in schools right now and have been for a while, feel free to point to any problems that have occurred.


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[OKTexas]

You know, one thing about kids is that they are remarkably observant and curious when they want to be.

If kids know that there are armed teachers when they show up to school, the first thing the kids are going to do is try to figure out who is and isn't armed. And, chances are, they figure it out within 2 to 3 months.


After that? Then that is when the delinquents start talking about the possibility of stealing the teacher's weapon.

That is a formula for disaster.

See post #435


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[ABikerSailor]

you're the Athletic Director, you're in your office (front left beside the sign over the door) - you hear shooting and kids screaming for their life .. you open the gun safe in your closet, get your Glock 23 semi auto 9mm pistol and start out the door ... at the other end of the hall theres a kid standing at the bottom of the stairs with a semi auto AR 15 spraying shots down the hall in your direction as fast as he can squeeze the trigger, and bullets whizzing by you one after the other .. lets say those stairs are at least 45-50 steps, probably more... a lengthy shot for a pistol whatever the exact distance ... under those conditions, students running every direction, crowded hallway - could

YOU

leave your room, stay under total control,take careful aim and kill or wound the shooter stopping him from killing students without hitting and injuring any kids yourself?

Ive been around guns all of my life. I started shooting .22 rimfire pistols when I was 6 - .357 mag pistols when I was 12. I rate the degree of difficulty in that exact scenario on a scale of 1-10 .. 100+

what would you do ?

Let's be real here, Siete:

You are beyond hypothesizing let alone analyzing a scenario that you know deep down in your heart, you basically just want to denounce and discredit as a foolhardy way of dealing with school violence. Admit it. So just stop wasting our time under the guise of trying to do any sort of legitimate analysis. You and we all know that no matter what, your conclusions will only be one thing: Arming teachers is a big mistake and the ONLY solution is the IMPOSSIBLE ONE: To make guns somehow magically disappear from the planet.

look dip, I have no desire to make guns vanish. I'm a gun owner and a realist.

Teachers with weapons is like an Autozone selling womens shoes too.

for whatever reason idiot RW's cant fathom the concept of hiring qualified people to do a specific job.

Dumb shits hired a reality TV show host to run the country and they have a soap opera to show for it.

Theres no working legislation in Congress that allows teachers to have a gun so all the rhetoric from Trump is just another diversion from having his sorry ass investigated, keep his base foaming at the mouth, and take some heat of the NRA,

There are armed teachers in schools right now and have been for a while, feel free to point to any problems that have occurred.


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Google "teacher shoots self in school". You'll get a lot of them. Here's some to help you out...................

A teacher commits suicide in school with their handgun.....................

Veteran Lithia Springs High teacher shoots self at school; classes canceled

A Utah teacher shoots herself accidentally in the bathroom at school.............

Utah teacher shoots herself in the leg while at school

And..............here's where a college teacher shoots themself accidentally in chemistry class...................

Idaho State University teacher accidentally shoots self in class

That should be enough to get you started.

 

[healthmyths]

you're the Athletic Director, you're in your office (front left beside the sign over the door) - you hear shooting and kids screaming for their life .. you open the gun safe in your closet, get your Glock 23 semi auto 9mm pistol and start out the door ... at the other end of the hall theres a kid standing at the bottom of the stairs with a semi auto AR 15 spraying shots down the hall in your direction as fast as he can squeeze the trigger, and bullets whizzing by you one after the other .. lets say those stairs are at least 45-50 steps, probably more... a lengthy shot for a pistol whatever the exact distance ... under those conditions, students running every direction, crowded hallway - could

YOU

leave your room, stay under total control,take careful aim and kill or wound the shooter stopping him from killing students without hitting and injuring any kids yourself?

Ive been around guns all of my life. I started shooting .22 rimfire pistols when I was 6 - .357 mag pistols when I was 12. I rate the degree of difficulty in that exact scenario on a scale of 1-10 .. 100+

what would you do ?

And then you get shot by a cop who thinks you’re the school shooter.

YOU are so dumb! You don't think the teacher has on something like THIS???

 

[Siete]

you're the Athletic Director, you're in your office (front left beside the sign over the door) - you hear shooting and kids screaming for their life .. you open the gun safe in your closet, get your Glock 23 semi auto 9mm pistol and start out the door ... at the other end of the hall theres a kid standing at the bottom of the stairs with a semi auto AR 15 spraying shots down the hall in your direction as fast as he can squeeze the trigger, and bullets whizzing by you one after the other .. lets say those stairs are at least 45-50 steps, probably more... a lengthy shot for a pistol whatever the exact distance ... under those conditions, students running every direction, crowded hallway - could

YOU

leave your room, stay under total control,take careful aim and kill or wound the shooter stopping him from killing students without hitting and injuring any kids yourself?

Ive been around guns all of my life. I started shooting .22 rimfire pistols when I was 6 - .357 mag pistols when I was 12. I rate the degree of difficulty in that exact scenario on a scale of 1-10 .. 100+

what would you do ?

Let's be real here, Siete:

You are beyond hypothesizing let alone analyzing a scenario that you know deep down in your heart, you basically just want to denounce and discredit as a foolhardy way of dealing with school violence. Admit it. So just stop wasting our time under the guise of trying to do any sort of legitimate analysis. You and we all know that no matter what, your conclusions will only be one thing: Arming teachers is a big mistake and the ONLY solution is the IMPOSSIBLE ONE: To make guns somehow magically disappear from the planet.

look dip, I have no desire to make guns vanish. I'm a gun owner and a realist.

Teachers with weapons is like an Autozone selling womens shoes too.

for whatever reason idiot RW's cant fathom the concept of hiring qualified people to do a specific job.

Dumb shits hired a reality TV show host to run the country and they have a soap opera to show for it.

Theres no working legislation in Congress that allows teachers to have a gun so all the rhetoric from Trump is just another diversion from having his sorry ass investigated, keep his base foaming at the mouth, and take some heat of the NRA,

There are armed teachers in schools right now and have been for a while, feel free to point to any problems that have occurred.


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I know, I'm totally aware of that. The admin @ my daughters HS stays strapped when they are at school as do QUALIFIED upper tier admin officials through out the district. Not random teachers. Problems or not thats not the answer.

My daughter was asked to sit in on a closed door meeting and explain the security process that took place in her school district when she was in school - supposedly thats the next step on the books for her current district after the Fl shooting. Little did I know (or anyone else) she has carry permit and a Sig P238 9mm in her purse at all times .. I brought her up around guns just like my dad did me.

live and learn - dad is always last to know .... until their wallet needs a refill.

 

[OKTexas]

you're the Athletic Director, you're in your office (front left beside the sign over the door) - you hear shooting and kids screaming for their life .. you open the gun safe in your closet, get your Glock 23 semi auto 9mm pistol and start out the door ... at the other end of the hall theres a kid standing at the bottom of the stairs with a semi auto AR 15 spraying shots down the hall in your direction as fast as he can squeeze the trigger, and bullets whizzing by you one after the other .. lets say those stairs are at least 45-50 steps, probably more... a lengthy shot for a pistol whatever the exact distance ... under those conditions, students running every direction, crowded hallway - could

YOU

leave your room, stay under total control,take careful aim and kill or wound the shooter stopping him from killing students without hitting and injuring any kids yourself?

Ive been around guns all of my life. I started shooting .22 rimfire pistols when I was 6 - .357 mag pistols when I was 12. I rate the degree of difficulty in that exact scenario on a scale of 1-10 .. 100+

what would you do ?

Let's be real here, Siete:

You are beyond hypothesizing let alone analyzing a scenario that you know deep down in your heart, you basically just want to denounce and discredit as a foolhardy way of dealing with school violence. Admit it. So just stop wasting our time under the guise of trying to do any sort of legitimate analysis. You and we all know that no matter what, your conclusions will only be one thing: Arming teachers is a big mistake and the ONLY solution is the IMPOSSIBLE ONE: To make guns somehow magically disappear from the planet.

look dip, I have no desire to make guns vanish. I'm a gun owner and a realist.

Teachers with weapons is like an Autozone selling womens shoes too.

for whatever reason idiot RW's cant fathom the concept of hiring qualified people to do a specific job.

Dumb shits hired a reality TV show host to run the country and they have a soap opera to show for it.

Theres no working legislation in Congress that allows teachers to have a gun so all the rhetoric from Trump is just another diversion from having his sorry ass investigated, keep his base foaming at the mouth, and take some heat of the NRA,

There are armed teachers in schools right now and have been for a while, feel free to point to any problems that have occurred.


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Google "teacher shoots self in school". You'll get a lot of them. Here's some to help you out...................

A teacher commits suicide in school with their handgun.....................

Veteran Lithia Springs High teacher shoots self at school; classes canceled

A Utah teacher shoots herself accidentally in the bathroom at school.............

Utah teacher shoots herself in the leg while at school

And..............here's where a college teacher shoots themself accidentally in chemistry class...................

Idaho State University teacher accidentally shoots self in class

That should be enough to get you started.

You really should read your links before you make false claims about them. This was your comment:

A teacher commits suicide in school with their handgun.....................

From the related link: However, officials said the teacher is stable

Also it appears none of the three had received any training beyond a CHL course.


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