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My point is you aren't civil, or honest, in your posts on the open board.
Your private demeanor and communication style is quite different, per daveman. Go figure, you're a hypocrite. Tell us something we didn't know already.
It occurs to me that maybe I'm not the only one who uses this board as a place to vent pain and anger.
My point is you aren't civil, or honest, in your posts on the open board.
Your private demeanor and communication style is quite different, per daveman. Go figure, you're a hypocrite. Tell us something we didn't know already.
It occurs to me that maybe I'm not the only one who uses this board as a place to vent pain and anger.
Everybody is a real person, particularly to themselves.
What separates the chaff from the wheat is how they treat, or propose to treat, others. Name calling and shit flinging on the board is a mode of communication...and anyone will maintain in private convo that they are complex people with Really Good Reasons for being who they are...and there's no doubt they really believe they are fully justified in whatever crap philosophy they support and spread.
But the test of humanity isn't in how socially adept they are, or how dearly they hold their own beliefs. It's how their beliefs, applied, affect other people.
Luddly is dishonest as the day is long, and the purpose of his dishonesty is to make a shithole out of the world. I could care less that he's charming and delighful, and REALLY BELIEVES the shit he spews. I could have told you he believes it...well, he believes some of it. Some of it is just a pack of lies meant to promote a culture of death and disease.
So, meh. The devil disguises himself in many ways, but he's still the devil.
My point is you aren't civil, or honest, in your posts on the open board.
Your private demeanor and communication style is quite different, per daveman. Go figure, you're a hypocrite. Tell us something we didn't know already.
It occurs to me that maybe I'm not the only one who uses this board as a place to vent pain and anger.
I have cried so much now I have given myself a headache. Thanks, Dave. First time I've ever thanked anyone for a headache. Also to Ropey: Sorry, Ropey. I could have tried harder. Next time I will.
Until one walks in the shoes of another, one really has no right to judge.
Its easy to tell someone to "hold the leash" and there is surely a very real truth there but what Jeremiah said about me, I second about him. At a time when I honestly wondered if I could survive what happened to me, Jeremiah held out a hand to me. No judging, no preaching - but total acceptance and understanding of my reality, my experience.
The same with Dave. He could have chopped me up into little pieces but, instead, he also held out his hand in a sincere offer of friendship.
I value that beyond words. Chances are, if "you" were wearing my shoes right now, you just might say the same thing. But of course, YMMV.
Until one walks in the shoes of another, one really has no right to judge.
Its easy to tell someone to "hold the leash" and there is surely a very real truth there but what Jeremiah said about me, I second about him. At a time when I honestly wondered if I could survive what happened to me, Jeremiah held out a hand to me. No judging, no preaching - but total acceptance and understanding of my reality, my experience.
The same with Dave. He could have chopped me up into little pieces but, instead, he also held out his hand in a sincere offer of friendship.
I value that beyond words. Chances are, if "you" were wearing my shoes right now, you just might say the same thing. But of course, YMMV.
the thing is... unless other know... how do you expect them to react to you? You dont know what my real is, and i dont know what your real is.... so we are equal.
and for all of that.... no one life's experience gives them the right to bludgeon the world around them..... i am sorry, its all and excuse and a cop out.
Behaving badly is behaving badly.
Until one walks in the shoes of another, one really has no right to judge.
Its easy to tell someone to "hold the leash" and there is surely a very real truth there but what Jeremiah said about me, I second about him. At a time when I honestly wondered if I could survive what happened to me, Jeremiah held out a hand to me. No judging, no preaching - but total acceptance and understanding of my reality, my experience.
The same with Dave. He could have chopped me up into little pieces but, instead, he also held out his hand in a sincere offer of friendship.
I value that beyond words. Chances are, if "you" were wearing my shoes right now, you just might say the same thing. But of course, YMMV.
the thing is... unless other know... how do you expect them to react to you? You dont know what my real is, and i dont know what your real is.... so we are equal.
and for all of that.... no one life's experience gives them the right to bludgeon the world around them..... i am sorry, its all and excuse and a cop out.
Behaving badly is behaving badly.
...and that will never have a positive outcome in any arena; real or virtual.
I have cried so much now I have given myself a headache. Thanks, Dave. First time I've ever thanked anyone for a headache. Also to Ropey: Sorry, Ropey. I could have tried harder. Next time I will.
I'm not sure why you feel sorry. I've been having fun with our forum posts.
I have cried so much now I have given myself a headache. Thanks, Dave. First time I've ever thanked anyone for a headache. Also to Ropey: Sorry, Ropey. I could have tried harder. Next time I will.
I'm not sure why you feel sorry. I've been having fun with our forum posts.
I'm sorry because sometimes I read into things - messages that aren't there. I'm not healed yet. I'm trying to work it out but it just seems like it isn't happening fast enough. I'm sorry because whatever that is in me is coming out sideways at other people and in this case - you - over a poem. I hate that about myself. I'm sorry if I have hurt you. It's me lashing out at something that has nothing to do with you. I'm working on it, Ropey. It's a start. I love your beautiful poetic mind. You truly are a gifted poet. I admire your talent and grieve over my own blindness. - Jeremiah
I'm not sure why you feel sorry. I've been having fun with our forum posts.
I'm sorry because sometimes I read into things - messages that aren't there. I'm not healed yet. I'm trying to work it out but it just seems like it isn't happening fast enough. I'm sorry because whatever that is in me is coming out sideways at other people and in this case - you - over a poem. I hate that about myself. I'm sorry if I have hurt you. It's me lashing out at something that has nothing to do with you. I'm working on it, Ropey. It's a start. I love your beautiful poetic mind. You truly are a gifted poet. I admire your talent and grieve over my own blindness. - Jeremiah
jeri...
there are A LOT of people who read more into things then are really there. It is not just you. You would be amazed at what people read into my avatars.
Everybody is a real person, particularly to themselves.
What separates the chaff from the wheat is how they treat, or propose to treat, others. Name calling and shit flinging on the board is a mode of communication...and anyone will maintain in private convo that they are complex people with Really Good Reasons for being who they are...and there's no doubt they really believe they are fully justified in whatever crap philosophy they support and spread.
But the test of humanity isn't in how socially adept they are, or how dearly they hold their own beliefs. It's how their beliefs, applied, affect other people.
Luddly is dishonest as the day is long, and the purpose of his dishonesty is to make a shithole out of the world. I could care less that he's charming and delighful, and REALLY BELIEVES the shit he spews. I could have told you he believes it...well, he believes some of it. Some of it is just a pack of lies meant to promote a culture of death and disease.
So, meh. The devil disguises himself in many ways, but he's still the devil.
No, he's not. He's the one of the most genuine, beautiful people I've ever met in my life. Haven't you ever hurt before? I have! I have shared my own personal story of pain and suffering with Luddly and never once did I fear he would tell anyone about it. I knew he wouldn't. He is a faithful friend. How often do you find one of those out there?
By Luddly sharing his own private thoughts, experiences he gave me courage to share my own! It is hell to live with something and not tell others because you fear they will judge you as an "unforgiving christian"! I could not carry that burden forever, KG.
I am telling you the truth when I tell you that Luddly has helped me more than I thought humanly possible. There is no one who will ever understand you as well as the one who has walked in your shoes before. He helped me to see myself differently and I find I great comfort and solace in having Luddly for a friend.
I have to tell you that when you are hurting Luddly you're hurting me. He's not the devil, he's a G-d send and I'm grateful for him. One day maybe I will openly talk about my own pain but right now I'm not ready for all that. In the meantime, realize that the world is just not as black and white as you think it is, Koshergirl. It just isn't.
- Jeri
I'm not sure why you feel sorry. I've been having fun with our forum posts.
I'm sorry because sometimes I read into things - messages that aren't there. I'm not healed yet. I'm trying to work it out but it just seems like it isn't happening fast enough. I'm sorry because whatever that is in me is coming out sideways at other people and in this case - you - over a poem. I hate that about myself. I'm sorry if I have hurt you. It's me lashing out at something that has nothing to do with you. I'm working on it, Ropey. It's a start. I love your beautiful poetic mind. You truly are a gifted poet. I admire your talent and grieve over my own blindness. - Jeremiah
jeri...
there are A LOT of people who read more into things then are really there. It is not just you. You would be amazed at what people read into my avatars.
That's true. But what can be done about it? The mods have real lives, too. They don't want to have to approve every single post before it goes up.And the above shows us why, when TROLLISM is tolerated on a board, GENUINE intelligent conversations, discussions and debates become almost impossible.I enjoy substantive conversations, doing research to back up my arguments. It can be frustrating, though, having that research immediately dismissed and ridiculed. Hey, I spent TIME doing that! Read it, you jerk! But the jerk doesn't read it, so I'm less likely to spend time doing research the next time. And ultimately, there's no research at all, and there's nothing left but insults.
And making serious and fruitful discussion about these issues impossible is what TROLLS REALLY ARE SEEKING.
A lot of players here aren't interested in the issues, they're interested in EGO GRATIFICATION.
If they can hurt somebody's feels it gives these folks a lift.
But when it's that adversarial and cutthroat, the signal gets lost in the noise. The only people who wind up hearing your arguments are those who already agree with them.Ummm...how many threads have you and the rest of the staff had to move to Badlands?Thanks!!!
Yep, here we can say what we think without the requisite need to make amends. In Real Life someone is always getting their nose out of joint..People get their noses out of joint here, too.
I suggest you review the Rules as there are many reasons and instances where a thread may get moved any sub-forum.
Moreover, my position was never couched in a Pollyanna-like view of what a occurs in any setting virtual or real, it was based on my observation, experience and environment where I have make most of my arguments, indeed, the order of the day is adversarial and cutthroat.
