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The operative words.It doesn't have to be illegal.
It just needs to piss off enough people (and power brokers) to stimulate lawmakers to conjure-up charges that can be made to stick, as prelude to removal.
you do make a good point. if republicans chose, and could somehow get the votes, they could impeach for whatever they wanted. it's not a criminal court, they don't have to prove anything, they just have to have the votes.If impeachment (and a successful subsequent conviction in the Senate) DOES materialize, what difference the charges?
Obama's ever and vastly and swiftly -increasing circle of opponents and adversaries can certainly conjure-up something sufficient to the task at-hand, that can be made to stick, when the time comes, yes?
Why tip one's hand in advance of calling the other's bluff at the poker table?
where you go wrong is in thinking that people are either so upset with the president or so enamored with republicans that there wouldn't be huge backlash for impeachment on unfounded allegations.
Or that it wouldn't seem like a purely political act to most Americans.
whether or not it's seen as a purely political act doesn't matter, it's what our reaction to that appearance would be - but i think you and i agree that the american people, even most republicans, would not go along with that sort of act.you do make a good point. if republicans chose, and could somehow get the votes, they could impeach for whatever they wanted. it's not a criminal court, they don't have to prove anything, they just have to have the votes.If impeachment (and a successful subsequent conviction in the Senate) DOES materialize, what difference the charges?
Obama's ever and vastly and swiftly -increasing circle of opponents and adversaries can certainly conjure-up something sufficient to the task at-hand, that can be made to stick, when the time comes, yes?
Why tip one's hand in advance of calling the other's bluff at the poker table?
where you go wrong is in thinking that people are either so upset with the president or so enamored with republicans that there wouldn't be huge backlash for impeachment on unfounded allegations.
Or that it wouldn't seem like a purely political act to most Americans.
that's exactly the point kondor was making. the president doesn't actually need to have done anything to be impeached. if they had the votes they could choose any reason they wanted, they only have to have the votes to make it stick, not the evidence.The operative words.It doesn't have to be illegal.
It just needs to piss off enough people (and power brokers) to stimulate lawmakers to conjure-up charges that can be made to stick, as prelude to removal.
con·jure
verb \vt 2 & vi senses ˈkän-jər also ˈkən-; vt 1 kən-ˈju̇r\
: to make (something) appear or seem to appear by using magic
: to make you think of (something)
: to create or imagine (something)
Except they would never be able to get away with it.that's exactly the point kondor was making. the president doesn't actually need to have done anything to be impeached. if they had the votes they could choose any reason they wanted, they only have to have the votes to make it stick, not the evidence.The operative words.It doesn't have to be illegal.
It just needs to piss off enough people (and power brokers) to stimulate lawmakers to conjure-up charges that can be made to stick, as prelude to removal.
con·jure
verb \vt 2 & vi senses ˈkän-jər also ˈkən-; vt 1 kən-ˈju̇r\
: to make (something) appear or seem to appear by using magic
: to make you think of (something)
: to create or imagine (something)
you do make a good point. if republicans chose, and could somehow get the votes, they could impeach for whatever they wanted. it's not a criminal court, they don't have to prove anything, they just have to have the votes.If impeachment (and a successful subsequent conviction in the Senate) DOES materialize, what difference the charges?
Obama's ever and vastly and swiftly -increasing circle of opponents and adversaries can certainly conjure-up something sufficient to the task at-hand, that can be made to stick, when the time comes, yes?
Why tip one's hand in advance of calling the other's bluff at the poker table?
where you go wrong is in thinking that people are either so upset with the president or so enamored with republicans that there wouldn't be huge backlash for impeachment on unfounded allegations.
I cannot answer your questionExactly.If impeachment (and a successful subsequent conviction in the Senate) DOES materialize, what difference the charges?Archaic terms from the Founders' time....."high crime" means committed by somebody in "high office" and "misdemeanor" meant a crime then, not less then a felony that it means today.
So once again- since the Constitution is very specific- you tell me which of these you believe that the President should be charged under:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
That is pretty specific:
Treason
Bribery
Other high crimes
Misdemeanors
Which of these do you imagine that President Obama is guilty of- and for what?
Obama's ever and vastly and swiftly -increasing circle of opponents and adversaries can certainly conjure-up something sufficient to the task at-hand, that can be made to stick, when the time comes, yes?
Why tip one's hand in advance of calling the other's bluff at the poker table?
I understand- from your perspective, the charges are just a means to an end- you just see impeachment as a tool to remove a President for political reasons- the charges are just an excuse.
The excuse du jour.
The legal basis for firing the guy.
Their legitimacy and truth are far less meaningful to the nuts-and-bolts mechanics of removal than the presence and effective employment of devices (charges) that can be made to stick.
Is that not the nature of down-and-dirty politics, when one side or the other gets pushed to the limit, as Obama seems hell-bent upon foolishly doing, in the coming days?
I am just quoting the Constitution- and asking you to identify what 'crimes' you apparently are convinced that Obama can be impeached for- don't know why that is hard for you:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
That is pretty specific:
Treason
Bribery
Other high crimes
Misdemeanors
Which of these do you imagine that President Obama is guilty of- and for what?
Except they would never be able to get away with it.that's exactly the point kondor was making. the president doesn't actually need to have done anything to be impeached. if they had the votes they could choose any reason they wanted, they only have to have the votes to make it stick, not the evidence.The operative words.It doesn't have to be illegal.
It just needs to piss off enough people (and power brokers) to stimulate lawmakers to conjure-up charges that can be made to stick, as prelude to removal.
con·jure
verb \vt 2 & vi senses ˈkän-jər also ˈkən-; vt 1 kən-ˈju̇r\
: to make (something) appear or seem to appear by using magic
: to make you think of (something)
: to create or imagine (something)
Even conservative media would point out that there is no high crime or misdemeanor. Well, at least some of their guests would...
I would believe the "abuse of power" is a high crime.Except they would never be able to get away with it.that's exactly the point kondor was making. the president doesn't actually need to have done anything to be impeached. if they had the votes they could choose any reason they wanted, they only have to have the votes to make it stick, not the evidence.The operative words.It doesn't have to be illegal.
It just needs to piss off enough people (and power brokers) to stimulate lawmakers to conjure-up charges that can be made to stick, as prelude to removal.
con·jure
verb \vt 2 & vi senses ˈkän-jər also ˈkən-; vt 1 kən-ˈju̇r\
: to make (something) appear or seem to appear by using magic
: to make you think of (something)
: to create or imagine (something)
Even conservative media would point out that there is no high crime or misdemeanor. Well, at least some of their guests would...
you honestly think there is enough public support to warrant impeachment?you do make a good point. if republicans chose, and could somehow get the votes, they could impeach for whatever they wanted. it's not a criminal court, they don't have to prove anything, they just have to have the votes.If impeachment (and a successful subsequent conviction in the Senate) DOES materialize, what difference the charges?
Obama's ever and vastly and swiftly -increasing circle of opponents and adversaries can certainly conjure-up something sufficient to the task at-hand, that can be made to stick, when the time comes, yes?
Why tip one's hand in advance of calling the other's bluff at the poker table?
where you go wrong is in thinking that people are either so upset with the president or so enamored with republicans that there wouldn't be huge backlash for impeachment on unfounded allegations.
The people are upset enough to want this man out and probably out NOW. They are so disgusted with this president and his party that they are turning to the Republican Party for help. This is the time when the Republican Party will show what they can do. Let's see what they have.
If there would be an impeachment, rest assured it would not be on unfounded allegations.
Are you really as naive as you manifest in this series of questions?It doesn't have to be illegal.He's not going to issue an illegal executive order. He's a Harvard Law professor, surrounded by top lawyers and access to top law advice with just a call from the White House.You same people who stood up for Wall Streeters getting their bonuses and not going to jail because everything they did when the crashed the economy was legal under the law NOW want to impeach a president who is going to do something that is legal under the law.Prior to the elections last week I thought that was a bad idea.
No more
AS SOON as he uses that damn pen to do congresses job IMPEACH HIS ASS
In the words of Obama: "Elections have consequences"
no, what he wants to do is not legal.
Right-Wingers seem to cultivate their stupidity on issues like this. I guess it's part of their victimization identity.
It just needs to piss off enough people (and power brokers) to stimulate lawmakers to conjure-up charges that can be made to stick, as prelude to removal.
Ah so you think Congress should violate the Constitution.....in order to remove the President....who you accuse of violating the Constitution.....
A fine example of the Conservative approach to Constitutional law.
that's a description, not a crime.Jackson said:I would believe the "abuse of power" is a high crime.Except they would never be able to get away with it.that's exactly the point kondor was making. the president doesn't actually need to have done anything to be impeached. if they had the votes they could choose any reason they wanted, they only have to have the votes to make it stick, not the evidence.The operative words.It doesn't have to be illegal.
It just needs to piss off enough people (and power brokers) to stimulate lawmakers to conjure-up charges that can be made to stick, as prelude to removal.
con·jure
verb \vt 2 & vi senses ˈkän-jər also ˈkən-; vt 1 kən-ˈju̇r\
: to make (something) appear or seem to appear by using magic
: to make you think of (something)
: to create or imagine (something)
Even conservative media would point out that there is no high crime or misdemeanor. Well, at least some of their guests would...
Even if they did, there's nothing unconstitutional about that any more than when Bush did it.
If they had grounds, it would be done.
Not liking him, not agreeing him, hating him cuz he's black - if those were reason for impeachment, they might get away with it. As it is, its all just big talk.
And that's all the Repubs do - talk, posture, pose for cameras and then they go back to obstructing and lying. And boozing and golfing.
"Abuse of power" ?Except they would never be able to get away with it.that's exactly the point kondor was making. the president doesn't actually need to have done anything to be impeached. if they had the votes they could choose any reason they wanted, they only have to have the votes to make it stick, not the evidence.The operative words.It doesn't have to be illegal.
It just needs to piss off enough people (and power brokers) to stimulate lawmakers to conjure-up charges that can be made to stick, as prelude to removal.
con·jure
verb \vt 2 & vi senses ˈkän-jər also ˈkən-; vt 1 kən-ˈju̇r\
: to make (something) appear or seem to appear by using magic
: to make you think of (something)
: to create or imagine (something)
Even conservative media would point out that there is no high crime or misdemeanor. Well, at least some of their guests would...I would believe the "abuse of power" is a high crime.Except they would never be able to get away with it.that's exactly the point kondor was making. the president doesn't actually need to have done anything to be impeached. if they had the votes they could choose any reason they wanted, they only have to have the votes to make it stick, not the evidence.The operative words.It doesn't have to be illegal.
It just needs to piss off enough people (and power brokers) to stimulate lawmakers to conjure-up charges that can be made to stick, as prelude to removal.
con·jure
verb \vt 2 & vi senses ˈkän-jər also ˈkən-; vt 1 kən-ˈju̇r\
: to make (something) appear or seem to appear by using magic
: to make you think of (something)
: to create or imagine (something)
Even conservative media would point out that there is no high crime or misdemeanor. Well, at least some of their guests would...
Um.....Barry is NOT black. I am black. He, on the other hand, is a half breed.
Just to set the record straight...
any proof?Even if they did, there's nothing unconstitutional about that any more than when Bush did it.
Barack Obama is involved in multiple felonies. Along with Eric Holder, Obama has engaged in extortion to further his political agenda.
Bush did not engage in extortion or other actual crimes, the way Obama has. Impeach Obama for extortion and for turning the DOJ into a criminal racket. The DOJ should be shut down under RICO racketeering statutes as a corrupt organization engaged in organized crime.
If they had grounds, it would be done.
You mean, now that they have the votes, it should be done.
Not liking him, not agreeing him, hating him cuz he's black - if those were reason for impeachment, they might get away with it. As it is, its all just big talk.
And that's all the Repubs do - talk, posture, pose for cameras and then they go back to obstructing and lying. And boozing and golfing.
I understand that you are a racist, and cannot see past the color of another person's skin. But Barack Obama is a criminal, he has engaged in a racket of extortion to destroy his political opponents. Obama belongs in prison, not in the White House.
you honestly think there is enough public support to warrant impeachment?you do make a good point. if republicans chose, and could somehow get the votes, they could impeach for whatever they wanted. it's not a criminal court, they don't have to prove anything, they just have to have the votes.If impeachment (and a successful subsequent conviction in the Senate) DOES materialize, what difference the charges?
Obama's ever and vastly and swiftly -increasing circle of opponents and adversaries can certainly conjure-up something sufficient to the task at-hand, that can be made to stick, when the time comes, yes?
Why tip one's hand in advance of calling the other's bluff at the poker table?
where you go wrong is in thinking that people are either so upset with the president or so enamored with republicans that there wouldn't be huge backlash for impeachment on unfounded allegations.
The people are upset enough to want this man out and probably out NOW. They are so disgusted with this president and his party that they are turning to the Republican Party for help. This is the time when the Republican Party will show what they can do. Let's see what they have.
If there would be an impeachment, rest assured it would not be on unfounded allegations.
you also believe, without evidence, that there is legitimate grounds for impeachment, and that the congress just hasn't moved forward on it?
as has been pointed out, if his executive orders are illegal, that's something that the courts decide. issuing an executive order that does not meet legal muster is not a crime though - or at least it's never been treated as such.you honestly think there is enough public support to warrant impeachment?you do make a good point. if republicans chose, and could somehow get the votes, they could impeach for whatever they wanted. it's not a criminal court, they don't have to prove anything, they just have to have the votes.If impeachment (and a successful subsequent conviction in the Senate) DOES materialize, what difference the charges?
Obama's ever and vastly and swiftly -increasing circle of opponents and adversaries can certainly conjure-up something sufficient to the task at-hand, that can be made to stick, when the time comes, yes?
Why tip one's hand in advance of calling the other's bluff at the poker table?
where you go wrong is in thinking that people are either so upset with the president or so enamored with republicans that there wouldn't be huge backlash for impeachment on unfounded allegations.
The people are upset enough to want this man out and probably out NOW. They are so disgusted with this president and his party that they are turning to the Republican Party for help. This is the time when the Republican Party will show what they can do. Let's see what they have.
If there would be an impeachment, rest assured it would not be on unfounded allegations.
you also believe, without evidence, that there is legitimate grounds for impeachment, and that the congress just hasn't moved forward on it?
There's evidence. Obama has announced himself that he circumvents Congress, making this a two branch government! He;'s done it again and again. The immigration bill will be the epitome of injustice.
Yes, and, I think, 'the panic' is actually beginning to sink home, now that they've lost the Senate as well, effective January 2015.It's pointless to answer their questions and spend hours on minutiae they'll either ignore or quibble about. They have no legal training, no common sense, nothing better to do than sit here ripping off their government employer who couldn't care less or might even rather they did no work that would then have to be redone. You can smell their panic....they know they picked a joke of a president and a man who's intimidated by his wife (who may also be a man) and who's kids laugh and yawn at him. They know he's a serial liar and an arrogant airhead who got through Harvard as a affirmative action attraction with a foreign exchange student loan. Everything about him is a joke....and so why wouldn't they be attracted to him?
Yes, and, I think, 'the panic' is actually beginning to sink home, now that they've lost the Senate as well, effective January 2015.It's pointless to answer their questions and spend hours on minutiae they'll either ignore or quibble about. They have no legal training, no common sense, nothing better to do than sit here ripping off their government employer who couldn't care less or might even rather they did no work that would then have to be redone. You can smell their panic....they know they picked a joke of a president and a man who's intimidated by his wife (who may also be a man) and who's kids laugh and yawn at him. They know he's a serial liar and an arrogant airhead who got through Harvard as a affirmative action attraction with a foreign exchange student loan. Everything about him is a joke....and so why wouldn't they be attracted to him?
