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Amazing how the man the South itself claimed was Anti-Slavery and the party they billed as Anti-slavery, never "gave a damn about the slaves."
Makesyawonder, huh?
Congratulations, JBeukema. You understand, Big red fonty and all, what an astute politician says to assuage to drumbeats of war.
You should pat yourself on the back.
It was the major opening blow, but history records the first shots as being well before that event.The first shots were fired in January of 1861.He wasn't President in April of 1861?
Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.
They took a ship and seized it as well, "The Marion."
Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
Star of the West
Yes, the first shots were fired even before Lincoln was president.
The Fort Sumter incident seen as the spark that started the war, however, occurred in April. Lincoln needed this incident because he knew northern public sentiment was against war, and he had every intention of invading the south.
It was the major opening blow, but history records the first shots as being well before that event.The first shots were fired in January of 1861.
Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.
They took a ship and seized it as well, "The Marion."
Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
Star of the West
Yes, the first shots were fired even before Lincoln was president.
The Fort Sumter incident seen as the spark that started the war, however, occurred in April. Lincoln needed this incident because he knew northern public sentiment was against war, and he had every intention of invading the south.
The South FIRED UPON THE UNION SHIPS IN JANUARY of 1861, and warned any attempt to supply the Forts would be considered an Act of War.
THEY started, even before Lincoln set foot in the Office of the Presidency.
His legacy will not be diminished, KK.Congratulations, JBeukema. You understand, Big red fonty and all, what an astute politician says to assuage to drumbeats of war.
You should pat yourself on the back.
Oh, so those were his lies.
The South - THEY STARTED THE WAR.It was the major opening blow, but history records the first shots as being well before that event.The Fort Sumter incident seen as the spark that started the war, however, occurred in April. Lincoln needed this incident because he knew northern public sentiment was against war, and he had every intention of invading the south.
The South FIRED UPON THE UNION SHIPS IN JANUARY of 1861, and warned any attempt to supply the Forts would be considered an Act of War.
THEY started, even before Lincoln set foot in the Office of the Presidency.
Yes, but I'm not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to make my point? Lincoln knew they'd take it as an act of war, and he used that to start the war.
His legacy will not be diminished, KK.Congratulations, JBeukema. You understand, Big red fonty and all, what an astute politician says to assuage to drumbeats of war.
You should pat yourself on the back.
Oh, so those were his lies.
No matter how much you rattle and whine.
History made his place at the Eternal Table.
The South - THEY STARTED THE WAR.It was the major opening blow, but history records the first shots as being well before that event.
The South FIRED UPON THE UNION SHIPS IN JANUARY of 1861, and warned any attempt to supply the Forts would be considered an Act of War.
THEY started, even before Lincoln set foot in the Office of the Presidency.
Yes, but I'm not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to make my point? Lincoln knew they'd take it as an act of war, and he used that to start the war.
Well before Lincoln.
They shot. They Stole Federal property. THEY made their bed.
They lied in it.
To your eternal regret. To this Country's blessed Salvation.
THANK YOU ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
To the man who refers to the black man with racist slurs: You make no sense.His legacy will not be diminished, KK.
A legacy of racism, segregation, and arguing aginst deporting an entire race simply because the negroe was better off as slaves?
Four million men, women and children in bondage - freed - is not fiction KK.I'm well aware. People like to believe a false view of history because it makes Lincoln out to be a great hero. We as people like to believe in heroes. Heroes like Luke Skywalker, Frodo Baggins, Hercules, Robin Hood, etc... But these heroes, like our idea of Lincoln, are works of fiction.
How could Lincoln make the South fire upon Federal ships in January 1861 Kevin?The South - THEY STARTED THE WAR.Yes, but I'm not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to make my point? Lincoln knew they'd take it as an act of war, and he used that to start the war.
Well before Lincoln.
They shot. They Stole Federal property. THEY made their bed.
They lied in it.
To your eternal regret. To this Country's blessed Salvation.
THANK YOU ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
Lincoln forced them to start the war, because he wanted the war.
Four million men, women and children in bondage - freed - is not fiction KK.I'm well aware. People like to believe a false view of history because it makes Lincoln out to be a great hero. We as people like to believe in heroes. Heroes like Luke Skywalker, Frodo Baggins, Hercules, Robin Hood, etc... But these heroes, like our idea of Lincoln, are works of fiction.
K.
You clearly have no idea how the Constitution doles out power. I'm not going to bother explaining it again, however. I've probably done so a few times in this thread already.
Kevin, your belief is not evidence, it is merely fail.
The words of the Constitution itself, however, are evidence. And that has been posted in this thread multiple times I believe.
How could Lincoln make the South fire upon Federal ships in January 1861 Kevin?The South - THEY STARTED THE WAR.
Well before Lincoln.
They shot. They Stole Federal property. THEY made their bed.
They lied in it.
To your eternal regret. To this Country's blessed Salvation.
THANK YOU ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
Lincoln forced them to start the war, because he wanted the war.
Kevin, your belief is not evidence, it is merely fail.
The words of the Constitution itself, however, are evidence. And that has been posted in this thread multiple times I believe.
You refuse to accept the fact the Constitution does not support your belief. So what, you are wrong.
It was the major opening blow, but history records the first shots as being well before that event.The Fort Sumter incident seen as the spark that started the war, however, occurred in April. Lincoln needed this incident because he knew northern public sentiment was against war, and he had every intention of invading the south.
The South FIRED UPON THE UNION SHIPS IN JANUARY of 1861, and warned any attempt to supply the Forts would be considered an Act of War.
THEY started, even before Lincoln set foot in the Office of the Presidency.
Yes, but I'm not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to make my point? Lincoln knew they'd take it as an act of war, and he used that to start the war.
Because the South loved their slaves. Simple.Four million men, women and children in bondage - freed - is not fiction KK.I'm well aware. People like to believe a false view of history because it makes Lincoln out to be a great hero. We as people like to believe in heroes. Heroes like Luke Skywalker, Frodo Baggins, Hercules, Robin Hood, etc... But these heroes, like our idea of Lincoln, are works of fiction.
K.
And how many people had to die for that to allegedly happen? And I say allegedly because, again, I don't believe for a second the war was fought to free these people. Lincoln's own words make that clear. Did the war speed up the process by which they were freed? Yes, and that's certainly a good thing. But why were we the only nation that allegedly had to fight a war to accomplish this? Every other civilized country freed their slaves peacefully.
It was the major opening blow, but history records the first shots as being well before that event.
The South FIRED UPON THE UNION SHIPS IN JANUARY of 1861, and warned any attempt to supply the Forts would be considered an Act of War.
THEY started, even before Lincoln set foot in the Office of the Presidency.
Yes, but I'm not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to make my point? Lincoln knew they'd take it as an act of war, and he used that to start the war.
Kevin, this is unimportant in and of itself. Lincoln knew that the South was bent on war, knew all he had to do was wait, knew that the northern Democrats would support him when the South acted stupidly. They were, he did, and they did.
