I know what islam is really about

[SmarterThanHick]

When Christians kill in is against the scripture.
When muslims kill, it can usually be justified in its genocidal handbook, the Quran.

No. When either kills, it is against scripture. What BOTH religions do is have some fanatic twist the scripture to make it appears as if the murders are sanctioned or even demanded by their god. How do you think all of those horrible Christian slaughterings happened? They were all self defense? Come on. Inquisition? Witch trials? All in the name of Christianity.

Kalam even pointed out the passages of the Qu'ran that speak of peace and how one should not hurt those who are peaceful or who surrender in a battle.

When fanatics kill, they always justify it by their religion. It doesn't mean officials of that religion condone or encourage it. It means fanatics are fanatical.

I do know what a Missionary Is. I know Missionaries. You are wrong to lump everything there into one group where Modern Religion is Concerned. It is a false presumption. What do you base it on?

Then please, share for the group and tell us all what a missionary is. Explain why 3rd world countries that hadn't heard of Christianity for centuries are being converted to Christianity now.

And yet you scoff at the idea that Muslims would DARE try and convert people. Hypocrite.

What is your problem with respecting others?

It's clear you don't respect others, or even try to understand the belief systems of other religions - why should he?

 

[BigBarry]

Muslims want to kill all the infidels since we found out that they wipe their assholes with their hand. They're just too embarrassed to let us live.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

i'm embarrassed for you right now.

 

[THE LIGHT]

The Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (yes, he claimed Jesus was telling him to do that)

That's odd because he also said this...

"I regard Christianity as the most fatal, seductive lie that has ever existed." - Adolf Hitler

 

[THE LIGHT]

The only good christian is a dead christian.

For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. -Philippians 1eusa_angel:

 

[THE LIGHT]

oh I see, when Christians "kill people for not doing everything they are told", it doesn't count. But when Muslims do it, it's an irreparable stain on humanity.

Yeah - perfectly legit.

Now again I ask: do you or do you not know what a missionary is?

When Christians kill in is against the scripture.
When muslims kill, it can usually be justified in its genocidal handbook, the Quran.

Exactly!!!

 

[THE LIGHT]

hey there noob - that link only logs you out - not other people. nice fail!

He got your curiosity didn't he.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

"I regard Christianity as the most fatal, seductive lie that has ever existed." - Adolf Hitler

and he also said this:

"THE LIGHT from usmessageboard.com is incredibly gullible and will believe anything he reads on fanatical Christian websites" -Adolf Hitler.

No, he never said your quote. cite the speech or date. Dare ya.

Here are things he did say:

from his own book, Mein Kompf
"I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought. At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna's destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party."

"How many of my basic principles were upset by this change in my attitude toward the Christian Social movement! My views with regard to anti-Semitism thus succumbed to the passage of time, and this was my greatest transformation of all."

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator ... I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

"As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven."

He goes on to talk about his involvement with the Christian community, how it strengthened his views, etc etc.

He also makes several references in speeches (the real kind) as well:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
-12 April 1922

 

[THE LIGHT]

and he also said this:

"THE LIGHT from usmessageboard.com is incredibly gullible and will believe anything he reads on fanatical Christian websites" -Adolf Hitler.

No, he never said your quote. cite the speech or date. Dare ya.

"I regard Christianity as the most fatal, seductive lie that has ever existed."—Adolf Hitler, quoted in Larry Azar, Twentieth Century in Crisis (1990), p. 155."

Here are things he did say:

from his own book, Mein Kompf
"I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought. At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna's destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party."

"How many of my basic principles were upset by this change in my attitude toward the Christian Social movement! My views with regard to anti-Semitism thus succumbed to the passage of time, and this was my greatest transformation of all."

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator ... I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

"As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven."

He goes on to talk about his involvement with the Christian community, how it strengthened his views, etc etc.

He also makes several references in speeches (the real kind) as well:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
-12 April 1922

O really how about:

From the book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease. (p 118 & 119)
9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)

I think the one that is deluded into believing fanatical lies is you. The only reason Hitler professed Christianity is so that the Christians in America would bite off on his lie just the same way as government is trying to sell the healthcare lie to Christians today.

 

[Kalam]

Do You have Equal Justice in there anywhere,

You'll have to be more specific...

or Inalienable Rights,

The right to life and freedom of conscience can be extrapolated from the verses I've posted so far.

of Freedom to choose Your own Religion,

Yes.

There is no compulsion in matter of faith. Distinct is the way of guidance now from error. He who turns away from the forces of evil and believes in God, will surely hold fast to a handle that is strong and unbreakable, for God hears all and knows everything. - 2:256

If your Lord had willed, all the people on the earth would have come to believe, one and all. Are you going to compel the people to believe except by God's dispensation? He puts doubt in those who do not think. - 10:99-100

Say: "The truth is from your Lord: So believe if you like, or do not believe if you will." We have prepared for the sinners a fire which will envelope them in its tent. If they ask for water they will be helped to liquid like molten brass that would scald their mouths. How evil the drink, and evil the resting-place! But surely We do not let the reward of those who believe and do the right to go waste. - 18:29-30

To you your religion, to me my religion. - 109:6​

or Slavery is Bad? Call me when you get there, and we'll compare notes.

It is clear that Muhammad (SAWS) intended for slavery to be gradually phased out.

This is one of my favorite passages:

Piety does not lie in turning your face to East or West: Piety lies in believing in God, the Last Day and the angels, the Scriptures and the prophets, and disbursing your wealth out of love for God among your kin and the orphans, the wayfarers and mendicants, freeing the slaves, observing your devotional obligations, and in paying the zakat and fulfilling a pledge you have given, and being patient in hardship, adversity, and times of peril. These are the men who affirm the truth, and they are those who follow the straight path. - 2:177
​

Christianity and Judaism improved themselves by drifting away from their scriptures. We Muslims will improve ourselves by holding fast to Islam and the Qur'an.

 

[Intense]

When Christians kill in is against the scripture.
When muslims kill, it can usually be justified in its genocidal handbook, the Quran.

No. When either kills, it is against scripture. What BOTH religions do is have some fanatic twist the scripture to make it appears as if the murders are sanctioned or even demanded by their god. How do you think all of those horrible Christian slaughterings happened? They were all self defense? Come on. Inquisition? Witch trials? All in the name of Christianity.

Kalam even pointed out the passages of the Qu'ran that speak of peace and how one should not hurt those who are peaceful or who surrender in a battle.

When fanatics kill, they always justify it by their religion. It doesn't mean officials of that religion condone or encourage it. It means fanatics are fanatical.

I do know what a Missionary Is. I know Missionaries. You are wrong to lump everything there into one group where Modern Religion is Concerned. It is a false presumption. What do you base it on?

Then please, share for the group and tell us all what a missionary is. Explain why 3rd world countries that hadn't heard of Christianity for centuries are being converted to Christianity now.

And yet you scoff at the idea that Muslims would DARE try and convert people. Hypocrite.

What is your problem with respecting others?

It's clear you don't respect others, or even try to understand the belief systems of other religions - why should he?

My interest is not that Muslims try to convert People, My issue is that if You are Muslim and convert to another Religion, the penalty is Death. My position is not Hypocritical STH, though Yours may be, if You are aware of this Truth. You claimed that The Islam Purpose here was not to convert, I merely corrected that False Perception. Now If Islam in The United States Swears to Support The Civil Law of The Constitution, I accept that, I actually hope for it, but that too is not the case. Shiria Law is in conflict with Civil Law, Here. What is your Religion STH, if I may ask? Not Everyone condones Murder, STH, try to keep that in mind.

 

[Intense]

The Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (yes, he claimed Jesus was telling him to do that)

That's odd because he also said this...

"I regard Christianity as the most fatal, seductive lie that has ever existed." - Adolf Hitler

Hitler may have heard voices in his head, I'm sure Jesus was not one of them. Jesus did not tell him to kill Jews. Jesus did not tell Jim Jones to have a Kool-Aid Party either.

 

[eagleseven]

There is no compulsion in matter of faith. Distinct is the way of guidance now from error. He who turns away from the forces of evil and believes in God, will surely hold fast to a handle that is strong and unbreakable, for God hears all and knows everything. - 2:256

If your Lord had willed, all the people on the earth would have come to believe, one and all. Are you going to compel the people to believe except by God's dispensation? He puts doubt in those who do not think. - 10:99-100

Say: "The truth is from your Lord: So believe if you like, or do not believe if you will." We have prepared for the sinners a fire which will envelope them in its tent. If they ask for water they will be helped to liquid like molten brass that would scald their mouths. How evil the drink, and evil the resting-place! But surely We do not let the reward of those who believe and do the right to go waste. - 18:29-30

To you your religion, to me my religion. - 109:6​

What would you do if your son became Pagan, worshiping animal spirits? What would your Muslim neighbors think of your son, of your family?

 

[SmarterThanHick]

So just to be clear:

I present Hitler's own words taken from well document speeches and his most famous literary work which he himself wrote.

You present hearsay from people apparently overhearing him, and on "secret conversations"? You do realize the validity of your book has been questioned by scholars, right?

OK so let's assume he really said both things. What we have is a very public vocal embrace of Christianity as the reason why he started killing Jews, with a much later reversal, but only in private (even tho people believe Table Talk was fabricated). What does that say to you?

Perhaps you should do some reading: Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[eagleseven]

So just to be clear:

I present Hitler's own words taken from well document speeches and his most famous literary work which he himself wrote.

You present hearsay from people apparently overhearing him, and on "secret conversations"? You do realize the validity of your book has been questioned by scholars, right?

OK so let's assume he really said both things. What we have is a very public vocal embrace of Christianity as the reason why he started killing Jews, with a much later reversal, but only in private (even tho people believe Table Talk was fabricated). What does that say to you?

Perhaps you should do some reading: Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this has what relevance to the OP? I don't remember Hitler screaming "God is Great" as he invaded France.

 

[Kalam]

Same holds true with the Last Temptation of Christ, still playing or renting.

Christians in France responded to this film by hurling Molotovs at moviegoers.

 

[Kalam]

And this has what relevance to the OP? I don't remember Hitler screaming "God is Great" as he invaded France.

Nice avatar!

 

[eagleseven]

And this has what relevance to the OP? I don't remember Hitler screaming "God is Great" as he invaded France.

Nice avatar!

Thank you. I leave it open to interpretation

 

[Intense]

Do You have Equal Justice in there anywhere,

You'll have to be more specific...

or Inalienable Rights,

The right to life and freedom of conscience can be extrapolated from the verses I've posted so far.

of Freedom to choose Your own Religion,

Yes.

There is no compulsion in matter of faith. Distinct is the way of guidance now from error. He who turns away from the forces of evil and believes in God, will surely hold fast to a handle that is strong and unbreakable, for God hears all and knows everything. - 2:256

If your Lord had willed, all the people on the earth would have come to believe, one and all. Are you going to compel the people to believe except by God's dispensation? He puts doubt in those who do not think. - 10:99-100

Say: "The truth is from your Lord: So believe if you like, or do not believe if you will." We have prepared for the sinners a fire which will envelope them in its tent. If they ask for water they will be helped to liquid like molten brass that would scald their mouths. How evil the drink, and evil the resting-place! But surely We do not let the reward of those who believe and do the right to go waste. - 18:29-30

To you your religion, to me my religion. - 109:6​

or Slavery is Bad? Call me when you get there, and we'll compare notes.

It is clear that Muhammad (SAWS) intended for slavery to be gradually phased out.

This is one of my favorite passages:

Piety does not lie in turning your face to East or West: Piety lies in believing in God, the Last Day and the angels, the Scriptures and the prophets, and disbursing your wealth out of love for God among your kin and the orphans, the wayfarers and mendicants, freeing the slaves, observing your devotional obligations, and in paying the zakat and fulfilling a pledge you have given, and being patient in hardship, adversity, and times of peril. These are the men who affirm the truth, and they are those who follow the straight path. - 2:177
​

Christianity and Judaism improved themselves by drifting away from their scriptures. We Muslims will improve ourselves by holding fast to Islam and the Qur'an.

First off I'd like to say Well Said. Well Presented.

Equal Justice, as Claimed in the USA would be like Fair Trial, Impartial to Respect for Persons, Wealth, lack of wealth, Color, Race, Sex, Belief. Now, I understand that in regard to testifying Truthfully against a Believer, in the support of a Non Believer was practiced by the Jews, before the Muslims adopted it, However in The Christian World, and Modern America Testimony in service of Truth and Justice would be required if Summoned. There is no Favoritism with respect to Persons. Even Biblically the word Partiality the reference Impartial, carries much weight or gravity. God wants Witness and Honest Account without Partiality. In that We serve Him, one and All.


The Right to Life and Freedom Of Conscience is Dear. If One touches on It, hold it close, keep it near. It is Sword and Shield to those born of Any Faith that Know to Put God First in All Things.

Freedom to choose One's Own Religion. If You Love Something You have to have the Courage to set it Free. God knows His Own and Reaches each on His Terms. He Directs Each step. John Locke was big on Example not Mandate. Conscience does not interpret Mandate well, yet it understands application through Circumstance Well.

I View Belief more like a Magnetic force, it does compel, we are reached in different ways around the world. Need to show latitude in other cultures. Search out evidence of fruit of the Spirit. Do not be so quick to Judge or Condemn. To not think before acting is not usually a good indication of intelligence or wisdom.

What You Sow You Reap. Good for Good, Evil for Evil. Still, That Judgement is not mine to make. Nor do I find Joy in that kind of Punishment, even for my worst enemy. I would still prefer reconciliation to condemnation. Knowing that either could touch anyone no matter how close.

Slavery is bad. It is not Penance. People are not property, but The body the Vessel of the Spirit. Why do it injustice at all. Look what the history of Slavery did within the USA. We are still healing, still repairing, still coming together. We ain't done yet.

Nice Passage about Piety. The Straight path is hard to follow, in good times and in bad. To do one good thing each day is a start, right? As in Now, not Tomorrow, and always use honest weights in trade. Thats part of integrity.

Christian Fundamentalism, or best explained why I am not a Fundamentalist, Is I see the different Accounts in Scripture, where they Add or Take Away, or Contradict. Sometimes it may have been the intent of the Scribe to Justify Someone that was looked up to, sometimes It may call Evil Good. I understand there are hidden meanings and multiple levels of understanding. Even sometimes something may be intended to be recognized as a lie. In All this the Best of Our Kind Recognized that The Window to The Soul and God's Spirit is Through Conscience. Internal Conscience is Gods most direct path to Each of us. That is what will guide through all diversity and it is that which needs to be nurtured and developed above all else. It is also that which is under attack in each of us.

 

[Intense]

Same holds true with the Last Temptation of Christ, still playing or renting.

Christians in France responded to this film by hurling Molotovs at moviegoers.

Bad Behavior, uncondoned.