i thought it was just one cell phone

[theDoctorisIn]

They, the FBI, were forced to do it on their own and they did it. Now they and law enforcement reap the benefits. You seem to have a problem with that. Not sure why however. Care to explain?

10 to 1 someone from Apple told them how.

Bank on it

I've been saying that since the FBI announced they could do it without Apple's help, then left them alone. No way they would not have still gone after Apple. Apple cooperated with the FBI and in return the FBI lied to protect Apple.

That is nonsensical. The FBI does not want Apples complicit cooperation, they want that cooperation enshrined in legal precedence so that they never have to bother with cracking technology themselves (and never have to worry about not being able to either) by making the companies that produce encryption software responsible for opening it up.

The court case was never really about that single phone - there was never a real question that the government - the entity that commands more resources than any other entity on the entire planet, that has access to the most advanced technology on the planet and the entity that can spend whatever it wants without consequence was unable to crack open one of the most common pieces of tech in peoples pockets.

It was all about forcing a legal precedence so they never have to do it again.

Bingo!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Only two kinds of people would be happy that the government is spying on them. Corrupt government officials and idiots who think the government is their friend.

More ignorance and stupidity.

Again, law enforcement obtaining information from a phone pursuant to a lawful court order is not ‘spying’; and absent a lawful court order any information obtained is useless, also not ‘spying.’

 

[Spare_change]

If they've really cracked the iPhone, it will last exactly as long as it takes Apple to build a better encryption system and update their phone software.

There are also countless third-party encryption programs for phones.

Psst ... it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the encryption system. There is a federal law that says that any manufacturer producing, or selling, encryption systems are REQUIRED to make the baseline algorithms available to the federal government.

It is the access control system that is the issue ... they are trying to circumvent the 'access attempts counter' processes.

 

[Rustic]

FBI and local police forces now working on unlocking all cell phones under investigation.



give the government an inch, it takes a mile.

it's "not clear" if the FBI has the ability to unlock that model cell phone, or all of them

This is so ignorant and stupid one hardly knows where to begin.

Setting aside for the moment there’s no link to a credible source documenting that law enforcement is attempting to unlock ‘all’ cell phones ‘under investigation,’ if that’s indeed the case they’re doing so pursuant to a warrant or court order.

Otherwise, absent the consent of the owner, a warrant, or a court order, any information garnered from the phone is inadmissible as evidence, and can’t be used to prosecute the phone’s owner.

The federal government is always in the wrong

 

[Rustic]

You think this country would've learned, any trust in the government is epic fail.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

If they've really cracked the iPhone, it will last exactly as long as it takes Apple to build a better encryption system and update their phone software.

There are also countless third-party encryption programs for phones.

Psst ... it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the encryption system. There is a federal law that says that any manufacturer producing, or selling, encryption systems are REQUIRED to make the baseline algorithms available to the federal government.

It is the access control system that is the issue ... they are trying to circumvent the 'access attempts counter' processes.

Any serious encryption algorithms are open to the public. The security world has learned from the failures of the Nazis.

Having the algorithm doesn't let you decrypt it if you don't have the key - and if you use a big enough key, you could make it so that it would take a supercomputer made up of every molecule in the universe billions of years to decrypt a file.

 

[FA_Q2]

If they've really cracked the iPhone, it will last exactly as long as it takes Apple to build a better encryption system and update their phone software.

There are also countless third-party encryption programs for phones.

Psst ... it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the encryption system. There is a federal law that says that any manufacturer producing, or selling, encryption systems are REQUIRED to make the baseline algorithms available to the federal government.

It is the access control system that is the issue ... they are trying to circumvent the 'access attempts counter' processes.

Distinction without much of a difference.

They will update whatever workaround that they think the FBI has found to circumvent the phone from erasing itself once the incorrect code has been entered X times.

 

[rcfieldz]

no phone no problem. Now if I can just stay off USMB.

 

[S.J.]

Only two kinds of people would be happy that the government is spying on them. Corrupt government officials and idiots who think the government is their friend.

More ignorance and stupidity.

Again, law enforcement obtaining information from a phone pursuant to a lawful court order is not ‘spying’; and absent a lawful court order any information obtained is useless, also not ‘spying.’

The ignorance and stupidity is idiots like you thinking the government will stop at lawful court orders.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

what do they mean by "open", "unlock" or whatever?

my iphone has a 6 digit code i type in to use it, is that what they mean? it is just numbers no letters.

The I-phone has a security system built in so that nobody can guess your ID. If you type in the wrong number, it will allow you to retry a few times. After that, it has a time delay so you can't try it again after a couple of minutes. If you continue to fail, the phone will keep adding a time delay before you can try to type in your security number again. It then expands to hours and even days.

If you continue to fail entering your code, the phone will erase everything on it, and it's virtually useless.

If you choose that setting, the phone will wipe itself completely after 10 wrong password attempts.

That may be true, I don't know. I just got an update a few days ago, and it prompted me to use the fingerprint option to open my phone. That kind of scares me a bit. However, if the terrorist used that option, it would simply be a matter of putting the finger of the dead body on the phone to gain access.

I can't wait to see if they found anything on that phone. I think it would be funny as all hell if they went through all this bull, and there was nothing of interest on it.

I doubt they are going to release that info anytime soon but I bet dimes to doughnuts that there is nothing at all. You know they are salivating over something that they can point to as a reason that their failed push on Apple should have gone the other way.

I agree. I don't think there is anything of value either. These people may be kooks, but that doesn't mean they are stupid kooks.

My guess is that they are going to wait until it cools down a bit before they tell us what's on the phone. They will wait until some new headline hits the media and sneak it in on page B-3 when we are not even paying attention.

 

[jon_berzerk]

that is good news for the people

 

[I amso IR]

The FBI says they have cracked the phone. Some folks believe them, some do not. So what else is new? Apple is free to build a better mouse trap and if that mouse trap is used in the commission of a crime, the FBI is free to attempt to defeat that mouse trap. Now all of you IPhone users, shell out another $700 dollars for the newer and better security system Apple will design. But do not expect any better results as you can bet your sweet bippy the FBI will. Apple considers this a good sales point, after all. Good for biness!

 

[S.J.]

Only two kinds of people would be happy that the government is spying on them. Corrupt government officials and idiots who think the government is their friend.

More ignorance and stupidity.

Again, law enforcement obtaining information from a phone pursuant to a lawful court order is not ‘spying’; and absent a lawful court order any information obtained is useless, also not ‘spying.’

Talk about ignorance and stupidity. You think they're not interested in the information because they can't use it in court? What an idiot. Hacking the phones WITHOUT a court order gives them the information they need (names, locations, etc.). THEN they can "arrange" to be in the right place at the right time (legally). No one (including the court) ever has to know about the hacked information in the first place. You think the government doesn't have ways of getting around the law? LOL.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

They, the FBI, were forced to do it on their own and they did it. Now they and law enforcement reap the benefits. You seem to have a problem with that. Not sure why however. Care to explain?

I think everyone should have a problem with the govt hacking into private property.

 

[FA_Q2]

They, the FBI, were forced to do it on their own and they did it. Now they and law enforcement reap the benefits. You seem to have a problem with that. Not sure why however. Care to explain?

I think everyone should have a problem with the govt hacking into private property.

How is this different than the government entering your property and performing a search? Both acts require the police to obtain a warrant.

 

[HenryBHough]

Look for Russian-made security phones on the market soon.

The will allow thousands of attempts to "break the code" but, after the first time, a random number generator will kick in and, after some secret number of failed attempts (never the same number of tries) the phone will explode and kill everyone within a mile. Or two, maybe three, five or maybe seven miles....that's what the other random number generator is for.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

They, the FBI, were forced to do it on their own and they did it. Now they and law enforcement reap the benefits. You seem to have a problem with that. Not sure why however. Care to explain?

I think everyone should have a problem with the govt hacking into private property.

How is this different than the government entering your property and performing a search? Both acts require the police to obtain a warrant.

A warrant is fine. Hacking into private property without consent isn't fine.

 

[FA_Q2]

They, the FBI, were forced to do it on their own and they did it. Now they and law enforcement reap the benefits. You seem to have a problem with that. Not sure why however. Care to explain?

I think everyone should have a problem with the govt hacking into private property.

How is this different than the government entering your property and performing a search? Both acts require the police to obtain a warrant.

A warrant is fine. Hacking into private property without consent isn't fine.

A warrant is 'without consent' and that is exactly what they are talking about. Hacking into phones that have been confiscated on a person committing a crime or otherwise connected to one.

They are not simply hacking into any phone they come across. That is and always has been illegal.

 

[Tom Horn]

FBI and local police forces now working on unlocking all cell phones under investigation.



give the government an inch, it takes a mile.

it's "not clear" if the FBI has the ability to unlock that model cell phone, or all of them

Apple could have played ball and went feral instead. I hope the FBI gives every law enforcement agency in the world what they learned about unlocking an iphone.

 

[S.J.]

Government will always find ways around the law to violate our rights. And when one method is stopped, they'll find another.
http://gizmodo.com/fbi-says-it-doesnt-need-a-warrant-to-listen-in-on-phone-1677609130