sakinago
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Where am I cherry picking?I am not cherry picking. I am making a very clear distinction. Weâre talking about dozens of riots, attended by thousands of people, that have turned violent, have cause property damage, and have aggressively harassed perceived opponents and uninterested bystanders alike. We also see âprotestsâ that are somehow deemed non violent, all because a conservative is coming to town to give a speech, that cost the cities hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep under control. These all have either justified or encouraged by multiple left leaning pundits and lawmakers. This is in contrast to the lone actors that you have cited, who do not even come close to aligning with mainstream conservatism, are NEVER justified by right leaning pundits/lawmakers and are always condemned by the right. Furthermore, when lone acting psychos on the left go out and commit murder, e.g. baseball practice shooter or the Dallas police shooter, you do not hear the right lumping them in as run of the mill democrats, much like you are lumping in the likes of Dylan roof in with republicans. There are pretty big disparities to point out here. Thatâs not cherry picking. This is pointing out reality. Yet hear I am, being reminded about Dylan roof, and those who hold similar beliefs, which those beliefs do not even come close to aligning with conservative values.Well this is an easily solvable disagrement... who on the right (major figure head, pundit, lawmaker, etc.) ever justified or promoted the incidences you cited? NONE, they all condemned it. Vs the other side, Waters, Cuomo, Booker, Hillary, just off the top of my head have justified it.Now youâre being purposefully dishonest. âI never mentioned nazisâ...If youâre chanting, âJews will not replace us.â Youâre a neo-nazi. Everybody who is in the âalt-rightâ wants a socialist ethno-state, A.K.A national socialism. They donât cite hitler, but they wish to emulate the third riech. Spencer Re-branding neo-nazis as âalt rightâ, was exactly that, a re-branding marketing move. I pay attention to actions, not words, especially when it comes to national socialist.
All of the instantces you cited, are all lone actors. Lone actors that the right has condemned. No one (at least no one prominent) on the right blamed Bernie or his rhetoric for his psycho supporter who almost killed over a dozen GOP legislators. So why is it ok to do that to the right? The left, on the other hand, are not condemning the concerning behavior I cited earlier. They are either ignoring it, excusing it, and even promoting it. This is coming from very prominent figure heads on the left. Do you see the difference in what you cited, and what I cited?
What I see here is not just the incessant red herring of "neo-Nazis" but more fundamentally an addiction to what I'll call a "Collective Fallacy", that being the bizzaro idea that "the left" or "the right" is each some kind of Borg entity that has (presumably) an office in Kansas City with a board of governors and an official position on everything.
There's no such thing. I absolutely guarantee you there's no such thing. "The right" has neither "condemned" anything nor has it failed to; "The left" has neither condemned anything nor has it failed to. Neither of those are possible acts. There are no such entities to do that.
Again, what you have here that was put under the microscope was selective memory. That is, your citation of a various laundry list that "came from the left", citing a -- your term -- "disparity between the sides". That's why I posted another laundry list that dispels that idea of disparity. Again, because you're taking into account what you wish to take into account ... selectively.
So --- sorry, the fact that you may hear a comment here or not hear a comment there, does not somehow create "The Right Inc" or "The Left Inc" to support or refute any act. There's literally no such thing. No collective, left right or center, is responsible for what you choose to notice or not-notice.
And (edit) interestingly BOTH of the two posts that were put up while I was writing this one tried to sell the exact same bullshit. I don't get it. It's as if some people are literally incapable of processing the difference between an individual and a collective.
Thereâs also a gap in frequency and amount of participation between the instances I cited and the ones you cited, thatâs larger than the Grand Canyon. So, no, both sides are not equally as bad, not even close. I donât ignore Nazis either, theyâre assholes, theyâre 100% wrong, and evil.
You continue to cherrypick. The entire poinit just sailed blthely over your head.
Do I need to look up all the articles and clips characterizing the Tea Party as a dangerous movement, and as rhetoric that is going to lead to violence? Antifa, a group made up of millions, LITERALLY came out of the gate swinging, and youâre giving me some whataboutism with Dylan roof.
There is no "whataboutism" when you started the false comparison via cherrypicking. I simply corrected it.
All I can do is lead you to the water. It's up to you to stare at the water and declare you don't see it.
You're wasting my time. Dismissed.