I Was Right All Along! Johns Hopkins Research: No Evidence People Are Born Gay or Transgender

[emilynghiem]

News flash Slick. No body care what you "accept and respect" If you don't "accept and respect " LGBT people that you your prerogative, but YOU fuckers need to keep it to yourself and stay the fuck out of the way.

Respect is earned not just given for no reason. I have no problem respecting homosexuals or anyone that also shows respect for me however, I do not accept that homosexuality is a normal condition.

Gays do not need to " ern you respect" or that of anyone else. They should be afforded respect just like any other human being on earth. In the same post you claim that you have no problem with them and state that you don't accept them as normal. Then you expect respect. Are you fucking kidding?>!!

I agree with both of you TheProgressivePatriot
People earn each other's respect personally.
That applies to everyone equally.

By law, when it comes to our BELIEFS, those are protected from infringement,
from either establishing or prohibiting by govt, and not to be deprived, penalized or discriminated against by creed.
(that's supposed to be STANDARD not earned, but it falls apart
if people don't practice it ourselves, then we can't hold Govt to the standards either!)

When it comes to people Personally,
we are not "required by law" to live by govt standards.
We can establish beliefs for ourselves that discriminate and exclude others.
But that becomes private and we don't have rights to impose that on others through Govt.

We learn by experience that if we WANT to "earn"
the equal respect and inclusion of others,
we should enforce the same standard for them.

If we exclude and DISPARAGE them and their beliefs,
we get the same treatment in return.

We the people are the govt.
If we want govt to protect and recognize people equally
we need to set the example ourselves.

If we choose to discriminate, we lose authority to compel govt to be equally inclusive.
We have that choice.
(Govt is not supposed, but it's run by people so it gets biased and needs correction
when people push it too far and endorse one creed or belief over others...)

 

[bodecea]

All these tears over fags getting married are simply delicious. I lap them up like a fine bourbon.

You should sit in on one of these Divorce cases. More fun then you can stand. If I was gay I would just go for a LLC. and get it over with.

Have you ever seen a divorce after years when one party just couldn't stay in the closet anymore? We had one like that here even. It's a shame because someone felt the pressure to pretend to be something they are not for years and years .

 

[bodecea]

Gays folks are not in need of therapy or healing simply by virtue of the fact that they are gay. The healing is needed as the result of what society has done to them

People who "change " are often bisexual which is a fact that most here gloss over and refuse to acknowledge the difference between lifestyle and sexual orientation. Many other "change " as the result of shame and coercion, but they don't really change at all and often the long term results are disastrous. This is what facts look like

Homosexuals are put up on pedestals as role models and heroes by society here in the 21st Century. Many cities, including my birthplace of Youngstown, Ohio, have Homosexual Pride Parades every year to celebrate men who take it in the caboose.

Some researchers, including prominent therapist Dr. Marcus Bachmann, have worked on developing reparative therapies for those interested in leaving the Gay Lifestyle in favor of normalcy. Unfortunately, they have perfected a cure yet. Maybe federal grants, medicaid funding, etc., could help move this forward. If they was a silver bullet to straighten people out, do you think many would go for it? Some probably would and they should have a chance to change, but I think most homosexuals like be glorified as they are in the Western World.

Dr. Marcus Bachmann? The whack husband of the whack Michele Backman ?? These people are dangerous and you bigotry and stupidity is on full display with that inane rant.

You can call Dr. Bachmann a "whack" if you want, but he's actually a trained doctor and therapist who has been working with people who want to become ex-gay for many years.

What's wrong with helping people be all they can be?

They already were all that they can be.He upends and destroys lives.

That's certainly your opinion, and your entitled to it.

But a lot of folks think that people are able to change. We aren't stuck in an immutable caste, but can instead reach for the stars. Homosexuals try to recruit normative folks all the time, you have no problem with that. What so terrible about this?

How do homosexuals try to recruit? Is it anything like when straight males can't take no for an answer from girls or women and force themselves on them to the point of violence?

 

[Leo123]

Heterosexuals are routinely shamed for not accepting homosexuality as normal. That has to change before anything can happen.

Yes and no Leo123
when approaching this scientifically we cannot assume the conclusion as
part of the hypothesis. ie you don't start with assumptions.

it is not necessary to assume the conditions are "adverse"
in order to study how spiritual healing works.

We can go into the study and the process open minded without conditions
and it will still work to identify any unnatural influences and remove
conflicts or problems they cause. We don't have to 'agree in advance'
which causes or factors are problematic, unnatural or need to change.

Sorry but I would say that a man with a penis and testicles, with testosterone in his system is NOT any other gender but male. Denying THAT right there is 'adversarial' to his own genetics. Male and female are not assumptions.

 

[lantern2814]

Oh! I do! Pick me!!!
Steven Crowder: Gay Wedding Cakes At Muslim Bakeries?

Oh goodie...another one pulls up that old story.

Let me tell you two things.

1. Those bakeries did NOT have wedding cakes on their menu to begin with...so they were being asked to bake something they don't do...period...for anyone.

2. Those bakeries were in Michigan which DOES NOT protect sexual orientation in its PA laws. Therefore, even if those muslim bakers DID provide wedding cakes normally and refused a gay couple...it's NOT against business law in MICHIGAN.

You're welcome.


The funniest thing about the video is how it starts off with the same old "aren't you gays lucky we don't throw you off roof tops like they do in muslim countries in the Middle East" schtick.

You're still an utter coward.

Nothing but name calling now? Not even any kind of rebuttal?

No, the no rebuttal is you and your made up words and phrases you use because you think they make you look smart (news flash, they don't). You continue to cry about the baker, but he has won twice already and you just keep harassing him. Maybe you better learn something. Intentionally targeting a particular business to attempt to bankrupt them is harassment. Religious objections are valid no matter how much you cry. It is not discrimination. When the baker wins again, he should sue those two into bankruptcy.

"your made up words and phrases you use because you think they make you look smart"

Hmmmm...where to start.

1. Words and phrases make up written communication, dear.

2. Newsflash, we know how CRCs (con-servative republican christians) hate smarts.

3. I heard your excuses all before...in the 60s...during Jim Crow.

Where to destroy you again.
1) Real words and phrases make up communication. Not your fake words and made up labels that apparently only you gays understand.
2)Since Sassy, Sue, I, and most other posters here are smarter than you, we know why you hate our side so much.
3) Since I never lived in the South, nor was I here during the Jim Crow era, your excuses are just that. Excuses. Thus they are dismissed.
That's 3 strikes. You're out.

 

[WEATHER53]

Well now that the emotive liberals have presented their case that JH is discredited, homophobic and probably working for Russians:where do we go from here????

 

[WEATHER53]

Heterosexuals are routinely shamed for not accepting homosexuality as normal. That has to change before anything can happen.

Yes and no Leo123
when approaching this scientifically we cannot assume the conclusion as
part of the hypothesis. ie you don't start with assumptions.

it is not necessary to assume the conditions are "adverse"
in order to study how spiritual healing works.

We can go into the study and the process open minded without conditions
and it will still work to identify any unnatural influences and remove
conflicts or problems they cause. We don't have to 'agree in advance'
which causes or factors are problematic, unnatural or need to change.

Sorry but I would say that a man with a penis and testicles, with testosterone in his system is NOT any other gender but male. Denying THAT right there is 'adversarial' to his own genetics. Male and female are not assumptions.

Male and female Are facts despite the emotional dismissal attempt by the loons.

 

[Gracie]

As I've surmised for years. Nobody is born gay. John's Hopkins Research has vindicated me. No! Weak minded people let themselves be seduced by Satan and then become his disciples living out perverted dangerous homosexual lifestyles putting young kids lives in danger, especially when same sex married couples adopt them for their sexual pleasure. Homosexuality is not inate, it is learned. Science has spoken! Now President Trump should sign an executive order making it mandatory for gays to have conversion therapy so they can return to normal and find God.

Johns Hopkins Research: No Evidence People Are Born Gay Or Transgender

I agree. It is 100% personal choice, not an inheritance. Most other folly also is not inherited but is the personal choice of the person engaging in it.

If it's 100% a choice, when did you choose your sexual orientation? What age were you? What do you recall leading to that choice?

I would think its what sex you are attracted to the most? I mean...I like guys. I like they have parts that fit in places designed for that part. But some folks find other ways to make those parts fit in areas not designed for that part. In essence....its whomever you are attracted to..at a young age or even later in life. Just my opinion. And..I find nothing wrong with that. I like long hair on guys. Bald guys don't do anything for me. Or short guys. Or really skinny guys. I like beefed up long haired tatted manly men, lol. Even at a young age when my hormones kicked in. Never was attracted to a female in a sexual way and personally, for me, I find it gross to even think about it. Again..thats MY preference. Who is to say who should be attracted to whom?

 

[Leo123]

No XXY or XYY? What about Jesus? XX but identified as a male.

Klinefelter syndrome for starters.

Syndromes are not normal.

And....? They still exist. As do Intersex people. Intersex - Wikipedia

Not the point bodecea. For instance Down's Syndrome is not normal or typical in human beings. The fact that it exists does not make it normal it is a deviation FROM normal. That doesn't mean that we should not tolerate and try to help those so afflicted but we are NOT obliged to call it normal.

 

[Leo123]

I would think its what sex you are attracted to the most? I mean...I like guys. I like they have parts that fit in places designed for that part. But some folks find other ways to make those parts fit in areas not designed for that part. In essence....its whomever you are attracted to..at a young age or even later in life. Just my opinion. And..I find nothing wrong with that. I like long hair on guys. Bald guys don't do anything for me. Or short guys. Or really skinny guys. I like beefed up long haired tatted manly men, lol. Even at a young age when my hormones kicked in. Never was attracted to a female in a sexual way and personally, for me, I find it gross to even think about it. Again..thats MY preference. Who is to say who should be attracted to whom?

A man being attracted to another man to the point of wanting to have sex with him is NOT a normal attraction. Does it happen? Yes!! But it ain't normal or typical.

 

[Gracie]

As I've surmised for years. Nobody is born gay. John's Hopkins Research has vindicated me. No! Weak minded people let themselves be seduced by Satan and then become his disciples living out perverted dangerous homosexual lifestyles putting young kids lives in danger, especially when same sex married couples adopt them for their sexual pleasure. Homosexuality is not inate, it is learned. Science has spoken! Now President Trump should sign an executive order making it mandatory for gays to have conversion therapy so they can return to normal and find God.

Johns Hopkins Research: No Evidence People Are Born Gay Or Transgender

I agree. It is 100% personal choice, not an inheritance. Most other folly also is not inherited but is the personal choice of the person engaging in it.

If it's 100% a choice, when did you choose your sexual orientation? What age were you? What do you recall leading to that choice?

I would think its what sex you are attracted to the most? I mean...I like guys. I like they have parts that fit in places designed for that part. But some folks find other ways to make those parts fit in areas not designed for that part. In essence....its whomever you are attracted to..at a young age or even later in life. Just my opinion. And..I find nothing wrong with that. I like long hair on guys. Bald guys don't do anything for me. Or short guys. Or really skinny guys. I like beefed up long haired tatted manly men, lol. Even at a young age when my hormones kicked in. Never was attracted to a female in a sexual way and personally, for me, I find it gross to even think about it. Again..thats MY preference. Who is to say who should be attracted to whom?

A man being attracted to another man to the point of wanting to have sex with him is NOT a normal attraction. Does it happen? Yes!! But it ain't normal or typical.

Maybe not...but it's also not normal to wear a mohawk dyed pink or purple with holes in faces and tatts to make one look like a lizard or a cat. Something is off up there in the old noggin, but...as long as it doesn't affect someone else...no problem. Problem is, there IS a problem when its shoved in everyones faces that don't want to view it.
Like...what if you were sued because you didn't hire the guy that came in with horns implanted on his head, holes in his ears as big as a golf ball, tongue split to look like a snake, fingers shortened to look like a paw and he was applying for a public relations firm?

 

[emilynghiem]

Heterosexuals are routinely shamed for not accepting homosexuality as normal. That has to change before anything can happen.

Yes and no Leo123
when approaching this scientifically we cannot assume the conclusion as
part of the hypothesis. ie you don't start with assumptions.

it is not necessary to assume the conditions are "adverse"
in order to study how spiritual healing works.

We can go into the study and the process open minded without conditions
and it will still work to identify any unnatural influences and remove
conflicts or problems they cause. We don't have to 'agree in advance'
which causes or factors are problematic, unnatural or need to change.

Sorry but I would say that a man with a penis and testicles, with testosterone in his system is NOT any other gender but male. Denying THAT right there is 'adversarial' to his own genetics. Male and female are not assumptions.

Dear Leo123 What I mean is you don't have to be convinced of your position in advance BEFORE studying how spiritual healing works.

Changing people's minds is NOT a prerequisite for doing the
actual research that can change minds as to what conditions
can change or not.

All we have to do is AGREE to conduct studies, using scientific methods,
and the rest will demonstrate itself.

For example, when Scott Peck sought to study exorcism and deliverance
he didn't believe it in advance. He honestly believed his observations of patients following the scientific method would prove "schizophrenic voices" was purely mental delusion from chemical imbalances and had nothing to do with spiritual processes or entities he didn't believe were real.

But at least he agreed to study the steps of treatment to see if they followed the predictable patterns. Instead of proving his assumption, he ended up changing his mind and seeing the process follow quantifiable measurable stages, where schizophrenic patients responded and regained either part or all their normal ability to function.

My point is it ISN'T necessary to agree with or adopt your viewpoint
to undergo the spiritual healing and studies of this process, and to
observe the effects on helping people to heal of adverse conditions or issues.

As long as we agree to scientific standards on research,
the rest will work out, some things may change, some may not.

In Peck's case, he went into the preliminary observations and research
WITH the bias that this "deliverance/healing process" wasn't anything real.
He truly believed he would prove that the patients' conditions was all
mental delusion where medication could fix the symptoms chemically.

His bias did not skew the process. He still witness the patients and team experience the same stages as predicted, and although he couldn't prove what he experienced and witnesses "spiritually" he did find that the steps of the process and changes in the patients' conditions were QUANTIFIABLE enough to follow the same scientific standards and methods used in medical treatment and mental therapy. He thus recommend further and FORMAL medical research and development into this therapy process so such treatment could be accessed to help more people, including to save lives otherwise destroyed by schizophrenic and other conditions deemed "incureable."

 

[Leo123]

Maybe not...but it's also not normal to wear a mohawk dyed pink or purple with holes in faces and tatts to make one look like a lizard or a cat. Something is off up there in the old noggin, but...as long as it doesn't affect someone else...no problem.

Yes, however, it is still an aberration of what is considered normal. Others are allowed to react as they see fit within the law.

Problem is, there IS a problem when its shoved in everyones faces that don't want to view it.
Like...what if you were sued because you didn't hire the guy that came in with horns implanted on his head, holes in his ears as big as a golf ball, tongue split to look like a snake, fingers shortened to look like a paw and he was applying for a public relations firm?

That's it......I don't want my barber trying to shame me into getting a pink mohawk!!

 

[emilynghiem]

A man being attracted to another man to the point of wanting to have sex with him is NOT a normal attraction. Does it happen? Yes!! But it ain't normal or typical.

Dear Leo123
I'd say you have the right as an individual to believe as you do.
But nobody on either side, with either beliefs that homosexuality is natural unnatural or could be either way,
has the right to abuse GOVT to impose a bias in policy either one way or the other.

That's fine to have your own beliefs, which I believe govt and public policy should respect and not punish.
(as in the cases of bakers and florists being penalized and sued for refusing to provide services for same sex weddings.)

However, when these beliefs THREATEN discrimination against people of
LGBT beliefs, orientation and identity, THAT's what's causing this backlash
and going too far by wanting to recognize LGBT as a protected class.

What I believe will help stop this threat of infringement and discrimination
is AGREEING to recognize and respect BELIEFS of both sides
and AGREE NOT TO PUSH BIASED AGENDA THROUGH GOVT.

As long as we agree to quit pushing beliefs into Govt and Public Policy,
whatever we want to believe or reject as individuals is within our rights and freedoms.

Just not pushing this into public policy where it violates the beliefs of others!

 

[Gracie]

What makes it all so very confusing to us heterosexuals is.....

Male is born. Wants to be female. Attracted to males. Becomes woman in body. He is still homosexual regardless of body change. And...he loses pleasure from the surgery...so what was the purpose for that surgery? Mind climax???

Female born. Wants to be male. Attracted to females. Same story.

WHY??? What is it up there in their heads that makes them think this way then act on it?

 

[Leo123]

Heterosexuals are routinely shamed for not accepting homosexuality as normal. That has to change before anything can happen.

Yes and no Leo123
when approaching this scientifically we cannot assume the conclusion as
part of the hypothesis. ie you don't start with assumptions.

it is not necessary to assume the conditions are "adverse"
in order to study how spiritual healing works.

We can go into the study and the process open minded without conditions
and it will still work to identify any unnatural influences and remove
conflicts or problems they cause. We don't have to 'agree in advance'
which causes or factors are problematic, unnatural or need to change.

Sorry but I would say that a man with a penis and testicles, with testosterone in his system is NOT any other gender but male. Denying THAT right there is 'adversarial' to his own genetics. Male and female are not assumptions.

Dear Leo123 What I mean is you don't have to be convinced of your position in advance BEFORE studying how spiritual healing works.

Changing people's minds is NOT a prerequisite for doing the
actual research that can change minds as to what conditions
can change or not.

All we have to do is AGREE to conduct studies, using scientific methods,
and the rest will demonstrate itself.

For example, when Scott Peck sought to study exorcism and deliverance
he didn't believe it in advance. He honestly believed his observations of patients following the scientific method would prove "schizophrenic voices" was purely mental delusion from chemical imbalances and had nothing to do with spiritual processes or entities he didn't believe were real.

But at least he agreed to study the steps of treatment to see if they followed the predictable patterns. Instead of proving his assumption, he ended up changing his mind and seeing the process follow quantifiable measurable stages, where schizophrenic patients responded and regained either part or all their normal ability to function.

My point is it ISN'T necessary to agree with or adopt your viewpoint
to undergo the spiritual healing and studies of this process, and to
observe the effects on helping people to heal of adverse conditions or issues.

As long as we agree to scientific standards on research,
the rest will work out, some things may change, some may not.

In Peck's case, he went into the preliminary observations and research
WITH the bias that this "deliverance/healing process" wasn't anything real.
He truly believed he would prove that the patients' conditions was all
mental delusion where medication could fix the symptoms chemically.

His bias did not skew the process. He still witness the patients and team experience the same stages as predicted, and although he couldn't prove what he experienced and witnesses "spiritually" he did find that the steps of the process and changes in the patients' conditions were QUANTIFIABLE enough to follow the same scientific standards and methods used in medical treatment and mental therapy. He thus recommend further and FORMAL medical research and development into this therapy process so such treatment could be accessed to help more people, including to save lives otherwise destroyed by schizophrenic and other conditions deemed "incureable."

Yes Emily, however we are inundated with PC crap that shames us for wanting actual research into the homosexual phenomena. They don't want a cure they want normalcy that can never be achieved. Yeah, let's admit that in rare cases, babies are born with deficiencies. We should try to cure those deficiencies if possible. The problem is that there is a contingent in this country who absolutely deny that a man with a penis is of the male gender!!!

 

[Leo123]

What makes it all so very confusing to us heterosexuals is.....

Male is born. Wants to be female. Attracted to males. Becomes woman in body. He is still homosexual regardless of body change. And...he loses pleasure from the surgery...so what was the purpose for that surgery? Mind climax???

Female born. Wants to be male. Attracted to females. Same story.

WHY??? What is it up there in their heads that makes them think this way then act on it?

Societal conditioning, dysfunctional family, being molested by a same sex person early in sexual development, family homosexuals, probably more. Yet, we'll never know until these radical loons stop trying to normalize an abnormal human condition.

 

[Lysistrata]

lol
It is ridiculous to force someone to do business they want nothing to do with

PA laws are in place for a good reason. If a person does not want to do business, then they don't need to establish one.

You obviously are a control freak. Nobody needs to "keep their shit to themselves" and nobody is expecting "other people to the adjust or adapt to it" except in the normal course of business. I don't even know how anyone would "keep their shit to themselves," anyway. Somehow, I do not think that you keep your shit to yourself. I think that you walk around freely in society. Yet you are issuing demands of others.

Get over the notion that you own the country or the world. You don't. You always have the option of leaving.

In this situation, the person isn't being denied service because of who they are, but because of their political ideology. They believe in the political idea of Gay Marriage, and the vendor disagrees with that.

Seems very similar to the situation in the Far Left, Deep Blue seat of the Confederacy, Virginia, when Sarah Sanders was denied service at the Red Hen because of her conservatism.

In over 30 states, sexual orientation is included in PA laws......it's not political. But it is amusing to see you try to slide sexual orientation into a little political box of your own making. Would being straight be political to you also?

First, the right-wingers floated the idea that any sexual orientation other than heterosexuality is a "religion." Now, the claim is that it is a "political ideology." If something doesn't work, I guess it's "try, try, again." I can say that my identifying as a heterosexual has nothing whatsoever to do with politics. It has to do with never having the same reaction to a woman that I have had toward (some) men. If it has been any different I would say so.Another off-the-wall theory bites the dust.

I know gay people who don't make their sexuality political and I know gay people who absolutely do. If you're going to sue someone because they won't bake you a wedding cake, you just made it political.

Play political games, "win" political prizes.

I don't think that this matter is in any way "political." However, you apparently define the cake-baker's stance as "political."

 

[Leo123]

A man being attracted to another man to the point of wanting to have sex with him is NOT a normal attraction. Does it happen? Yes!! But it ain't normal or typical.

Dear Leo123
I'd say you have the right as an individual to believe as you do.
But nobody on either side, with either beliefs that homosexuality is natural unnatural or could be either way,
has the right to abuse GOVT to impose a bias in policy either one way or the other.

That's fine to have your own beliefs, which I believe govt and public policy should respect and not punish.
(as in the cases of bakers and florists being penalized and sued for refusing to provide services for same sex weddings.)

However, when these beliefs THREATEN discrimination against people of
LGBT beliefs, orientation and identity, THAT's what's causing this backlash
and going too far by wanting to recognize LGBT as a protected class.

What I believe will help stop this threat of infringement and discrimination
is AGREEING to recognize and respect BELIEFS of both sides
and AGREE NOT TO PUSH BIASED AGENDA THROUGH GOVT.

As long as we agree to quit pushing beliefs into Govt and Public Policy,
whatever we want to believe or reject as individuals is within our rights and freedoms.

Just not pushing this into public policy where it violates the beliefs of others!

Sex is not a belief it is a fact. What you call yourself is a belief. A hetero does not have to believe they are sexually something they are not. Much healthier. Radical, activist homosexuals have tried to push their beliefs onto the public via government schools and courts in order to pressure society into acceptance that they are sexually normal.

 

[Lysistrata]

In the end, this discussion is irrelevant. If you are heterosexual, live heterosexual. If you are LGBTQ, live LGBTQ. Who cares what the neighbors do? Frankly, I have to side with the LGBTQs on this, as they have not interfered with anything heterosexuals do, and it has been the heterosexuals (not all of us, please!), who want to interfere with the personal decisions of LGBTQs. There is no reasonable point to this interference.