I Was Right All Along! Johns Hopkins Research: No Evidence People Are Born Gay or Transgender

[bodecea]

No XXY or XYY? What about Jesus? XX but identified as a male.

Klinefelter syndrome for starters.

 

[bodecea]

Gays folks are not in need of therapy or healing simply by virtue of the fact that they are gay. The healing is needed as the result of what society has done to them

People who "change " are often bisexual which is a fact that most here gloss over and refuse to acknowledge the difference between lifestyle and sexual orientation. Many other "change " as the result of shame and coercion, but they don't really change at all and often the long term results are disastrous. This is what facts look like

Homosexuals are put up on pedestals as role models and heroes by society here in the 21st Century. Many cities, including my birthplace of Youngstown, Ohio, have Homosexual Pride Parades every year to celebrate men who take it in the caboose.

Some researchers, including prominent therapist Dr. Marcus Bachmann, have worked on developing reparative therapies for those interested in leaving the Gay Lifestyle in favor of normalcy. Unfortunately, they have perfected a cure yet. Maybe federal grants, medicaid funding, etc., could help move this forward. If they was a silver bullet to straighten people out, do you think many would go for it? Some probably would and they should have a chance to change, but I think most homosexuals like be glorified as they are in the Western World.

Dr. Marcus Bachmann? The whack husband of the whack Michele Backman ?? These people are dangerous and you bigotry and stupidity is on full display with that inane rant.

You can call Dr. Bachmann a "whack" if you want, but he's actually a trained doctor and therapist who has been working with people who want to become ex-gay for many years.

What's wrong with helping people be all they can be?

Have you seen that guy? Major closet case.......gaydars all over are screaming when they get within miles of him.

 

[Leo123]

This is a story that went viral where a Mom decided
to celebrate her trans kid coming out as a boy. With a gender announcement party:

Mom praises transgender son's coming out with ultimate 'It's a boy' photo shoot

Most of the world think that 'transgender' is an aberration that 'normally' occurs infrequently. As far as the story.......The mom's (former) son has put the family in the position of either having to accept his choice or suffer fake social justice guilt.

Dear Leo123 The first step in healing is acceptance.
You can't work with people if they are rejected and running away.

I have posted the following link previously on how spiritual healing
works that HAS helped people change from unwanted/unnatural homosexual
attractions or orientation and restore what they report as natural for them.

1. One poster on here I felt was more neutral, objective and fair about defending
his homosexual orientation looked at these cases of "people reporting changing"
and decided "they must not have really been homosexual to begin with"
2. TheProgressivePatriot is more closeminded and does not consider any of
this valid at all.
3. I have no problem with spiritual healing either helping people to change, or
helping people to heal without changing their orientation, or helping people to
come out as homosexual, transgender, or anything else they identify with.
I just know there are more benefits that it offers, regardless if people change
their minds about orientation or not, this approach still helps to heal RELATIONSHIPS.

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Interview – Francis Judith MacNutt – Mastering Life

updated link:

http://pneumareview.com/conversation-with-francis-and-judith-macnutt/

David: Someone has suggested that homosexuals need to have their confused orientation healed before they are allowed into the priesthood. What do you think about that?

Francis: Unfortunately, I don’t think there is that much known among the clergy as a whole about healing the homosexual. That is why we are trying to bring healing back into the church. Even with physical healing, it’s not fully understood in the population of priests that it can take place.

David: You’ve had a lot of success in your ministry with healing the homosexual. What do you do? How do you pray for a homosexual?

Francis: We’ve had some and Judith’s had more actually. She had 20 clients when she was seeing patients in Clearwater who were either homosexual or lesbian in orientation, and they were all healed. Now, it took time. I think that really needs to be said. It is mostly over a period of time and in some depth.

David: Tell a story or two of people that you minister to, Judith, in this area to illustrate how you try to help the homosexual.

Judith: The first thing that has to be said is that they must want to be healed. By and large there are a lot of homosexuals and lesbians that are very happy with their lifestyle. They have found someone that they really care about, and they want to remain in that lifestyle. So, the first thing in coming for healing is saying, Lord Jesus, help me. As in any area of our lives whether it’s weakness, sin, or whatever, we have to ask for the help of Jesus.

David: And how would you actually pray for them?

Judith: The actual prayer itself is not that much different than it would be for anybody else who is wounded in any area of their life. So many of us struggle with broken sexuality because of the way we were raised, the way we were taught, the ways our parents modeled or didn’t model healthy sexuality, because so much of our sexuality is tied up in our identity, and identity issues need to be healed in most people. Very few of us really know the true-self that God created. Most of us function out of a false-self, so getting back to the true-self and the real true sexual identity is pretty much the same process for any issue that we would work with in inner healing. It involves going back to the childhood, and finding out was the person wanted. So many people say I didn’t want a boy, I wanted a girl, or I didn’t want a girl, I wanted a boy, and so there was a rejection of their very sexual identity from the time they were born.

I was reading somewhere yesterday where it was so important to a certain couple that they have a boy, and they had eight girls, and they kept trying and trying and trying, and finally they had to adopt a boy. Well, what message did that give to the eight daughters? You have no value and you were just a mistake. So there are all kinds of identity issues in childhood; there is rejection, there is wounding, there is sexual abuse, perhaps incest, perhaps someone outside the family. But so many of the people that I worked with had real broken identities – they just didn’t know who they were in God or why they were here or where they were going. It would usually take about six months of psychotherapy, inner healing and generational healing for the person to come to a fullness of their identity.

David: It is quite common that male homosexuals haven’t had a positive or strong father figure to call them into masculinity. How do you pray for that situation?

Judith: I found it took a multifaceted approach. We would do the inner healing work with God as father and Jesus as brother coming into the masculine identity that God had already created within them. In a deep father wound we would do the prayers of God the Father becoming their father, which He is, and then healing the brokenness that relates to the earthly father – the deep longing for Abba, with the daddy figure holding and loving them, accepting rather than rejecting them, having conditional love for them. We would have them sit with God the Father and let Him hold them during the inner healing prayer. I would have them listen to the voice of God – “What is He saying to you? Is He rejecting you?” And they would always with great tears of joy say, “No. He’s telling me He loves me, but wants more for me,” and God would speak all these beautiful words of love to them, and they would start having healing dreams and healing images and visions. Once the Spirit started working in them, that would start this whole healing process.

I also asked for help within the Christian community wherever I’ve been, especially in private practice, I would ask for men from the community to come and take them under wing and take them out to dinner or take them fishing, take them biking, do whatever, have them in their home and embrace them as part of a Christian loving family. So it’s not just prayer. This is where the church needs to respond. It’s men and women stepping forward, parenting, what we would call re-parenting in psychology, and bringing them along. And the ones that were able to go through that experience were all healed.

David: When whatever has gone wrong is finally healed — whether it’s the masculine or the feminine identity or whether it’s the trauma from child abuse — what then happens to the homosexual identity versus the heterosexual identity?

Judith: The homosexual identity cannot coexist with a God-given identity so it just starts to go away. Now the struggle that some would have that were very active sexually, in pornography or in being very promiscuous, those images took longer to go away. It’s just like anybody addicted to pornography – the images sometimes remain. That’s where discipline and prayer had to come in for the individual to reject those images and to bring in the cross and the blood of Jesus to cover them, and then to put positive images in their place.

David: And in some, I would imagine, the true-self, the true heterosexual identity began to flower.

Judith: Oh, yes. The beautiful image starts to emerge within them of the way God created them to be, and they would come to such life in their identity and such joy in being the one that God created them to be. Many of them would say to me, “I always felt like I was living a lie when I was in this lifestyle. I was always full of shame. I was always full of a sense that it really wasn’t me. It felt like someone else.” It was kind of like an alter-identity or an alter-ego, because when God starts in a therapeutic process, basically what He is doing is dismantling the ego that has developed, and replacing it with what is originally there, which is still there, but it’s under this alter-ego/alter-identity.

Francis: The sad thing is that conservative Christians often don’t offer homosexuals anything except condemnation. It takes six months of weekly individual counseling and an intense changing and building up of the individual. Shouting about it doesn’t help very much. It just makes things worse.

Basically I don't disagree with that. It's sad that SFW's have to stick their nose into a family's business by shaming parents who are afflicted with the gender dysphoria of their offspring and, instead of trying to treat the problem are urged to accept it.

 

[emilynghiem]

Let's say for the sake of the argument, people aren't born gay. So what? People still gave a right to sleep with and marry who they want.

You’re right, But expecting anyone else to except and respect that lifestyle is ridiculous.
Like I said the fuckers should keep it to themselves

Dear Nia88
I agree with you that LGBT should be treated as a faith based choice
that people have equal right to just like other spiritual affilations or beliefs.

Rustic
Only if the same people insist that Christians keep their beliefs to themselves
and out of public policy and schools, I'd say it's only fair to treat LGBT beliefs that way.

However, if the LGBT INSIST on inclusion in public policy and institutions,
I call the invitation to ALL OTHER faith based beliefs
including Christian beliefs, expressions and practices to
be allowed and endorsed in public policy, institutions and schools
TO THE SAME DEGREE AS LGBT.

Only if the LGBT agree to exclude all such beliefs, they should be equally excluded.
But if they want inclusion so badly, open the door for ALL beliefs and creeds as well.
So it isn't discrimination by creed, which is a violation of Civil Rights.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Let's say for the sake of the argument, people aren't born gay. So what? People still gave a right to sleep with and marry who they want.

You’re right, But expecting anyone else to except and respect that lifestyle is ridiculous.

Like I said the fuckers should keep it to themselves

News flash Slick. No body care what you "accept and respect" If you don't "accept and respect " LGBT people that you your prerogative, but YOU fuckers need to keep it to yourself and stay the fuck out of the way.

 

[Leo123]

No XXY or XYY? What about Jesus? XX but identified as a male.

Klinefelter syndrome for starters.

Syndromes are not normal.

 

[emilynghiem]

Basically I don't disagree with that. It's sad that SFW's have to stick their nose into a family's business by shaming parents who are afflicted with the gender dysphoria of their offspring and, instead of trying to treat the problem are urged to accept it.

Dear Leo123 to be perfectly accepting and allow healing without obstruction,
it's best to take NEITHER bias, NEITHER shaming people for either viewpoint,
or treating this as a "problem."

The problem is with the person facing conflicts that cause distress.

THAT'S the problem regardless of which side is pushing what.

The key to the healing process is FORGIVENESS and letting go of
all these preset conditions and expectations causing conflicting pressure.

Once the people in the conflicting relations agree to receive help with healing,
all this pressure can start to release. It's step by step, similar to the 12 step process
but it goes much much deeper.

Eventually all the root issues that led up to the current conflict and distress
all end up being rooted out and identified and removed individually.

So eventually the person and the relations around the person receive healing.
It's a very deep process, and can be gruelingly difficult.

It's all based on forgiveness and letting go,
not imposing conditions or perception on people or the process
or that obstructs it worse.

 

[Leo123]

News flash Slick. No body care what you "accept and respect" If you don't "accept and respect " LGBT people that you your prerogative, but YOU fuckers need to keep it to yourself and stay the fuck out of the way.

Respect is earned not just given for no reason. I have no problem respecting homosexuals or anyone that also shows respect for me however, I do not accept that homosexuality is a normal condition.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

All these tears over fags getting married are simply delicious. I lap them up like a fine bourbon.

You should sit in on one of these Divorce cases. More fun then you can stand. If I was gay I would just go for a LLC. and get it over with.

 

[emilynghiem]

Let's say for the sake of the argument, people aren't born gay. So what? People still gave a right to sleep with and marry who they want.

You’re right, But expecting anyone else to except and respect that lifestyle is ridiculous.

Like I said the fuckers should keep it to themselves

News flash Slick. No body care what you "accept and respect" If you don't "accept and respect " LGBT people that you your prerogative, but YOU fuckers need to keep it to yourself and stay the fuck out of the way.

Dear TheProgressivePatriot
If the solution was simply to keep people to themselves and out of the way,
the simplest way would be to apply this to the LGBT community which is the smaller % of the population to sequester.

Clearly censorship and oppression is not the solution.
If you yourself would NOT consent to such "solution" applied to YOU.

Whatever conflicts people have need to be resolved to prevent further imposition.
Even if we can't change our beliefs, we can agreed not to impose our
beliefs on others through Govt. But neither can Govt PROHIBIT free exercise
and expression. So if we want free exercise and expression for ourselves,
it just makes sense to tolerate the same for others.

If we can't do that, we need to examine why we can't tolerate it,
and resolve those objections and conflicts so we can deal with our differences.

This will benefit both sides, so it's worth the effort.
Both sides gain greater understanding, which reduces any resentment from the past.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Gays folks are not in need of therapy or healing simply by virtue of the fact that they are gay. The healing is needed as the result of what society has done to them

People who "change " are often bisexual which is a fact that most here gloss over and refuse to acknowledge the difference between lifestyle and sexual orientation. Many other "change " as the result of shame and coercion, but they don't really change at all and often the long term results are disastrous. This is what facts look like

Homosexuals are put up on pedestals as role models and heroes by society here in the 21st Century. Many cities, including my birthplace of Youngstown, Ohio, have Homosexual Pride Parades every year to celebrate men who take it in the caboose.

Some researchers, including prominent therapist Dr. Marcus Bachmann, have worked on developing reparative therapies for those interested in leaving the Gay Lifestyle in favor of normalcy. Unfortunately, they have perfected a cure yet. Maybe federal grants, medicaid funding, etc., could help move this forward. If they was a silver bullet to straighten people out, do you think many would go for it? Some probably would and they should have a chance to change, but I think most homosexuals like be glorified as they are in the Western World.

Dr. Marcus Bachmann? The whack husband of the whack Michele Backman ?? These people are dangerous and you bigotry and stupidity is on full display with that inane rant.

You can call Dr. Bachmann a "whack" if you want, but he's actually a trained doctor and therapist who has been working with people who want to become ex-gay for many years.

What's wrong with helping people be all they can be?

They already were all that they can be.He upends and destroys lives.

 

[Leo123]

Dear Leo123 to be perfectly accepting and allow healing without obstruction,
it's best to take NEITHER bias, NEITHER shaming people for either viewpoint,
or treating this as a "problem."

Heterosexuals are routinely shamed for not accepting homosexuality as normal. That has to change before anything can happen.

The problem is with the person facing conflicts that cause distress.

THAT'S the problem regardless of which side is pushing what.

Well let me give you a simple example: A man, born as a male, with a penis and testicles decides he is suddenly a 'she'....That is one hell of a basic cause for distress. My contention is the SJW crowd wants to KEEP that person in distress by supporting their denial of scientific fact.

The key to the healing process is FORGIVENESS and letting go of
all these preset conditions and expectations causing conflicting pressure.

Once the people in the conflicting relations agree to receive help with healing,
all this pressure can start to release. It's step by step, similar to the 12 step process
but it goes much much deeper.

Eventually all the root issues that led up to the current conflict and distress
all end up being rooted out and identified and removed individually.

So eventually the person and the relations around the person receive healing.
It's a very deep process, and can be gruelingly difficult.

It's all based on forgiveness and letting go,
not imposing conditions or perception on people or the process
or that obstructs it worse.

Again I generally agree however, how can forgiveness mean anything when to forgive homosexuality automatically indicts those who do so with the SJW crowd that basically controls the MSM and what a large majority of people think? No, according to these loony radicals, we must never question and always accept.

 

[bodecea]

No XXY or XYY? What about Jesus? XX but identified as a male.

Klinefelter syndrome for starters.

Syndromes are not normal.

And....? They still exist. As do Intersex people. Intersex - Wikipedia

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

News flash Slick. No body care what you "accept and respect" If you don't "accept and respect " LGBT people that you your prerogative, but YOU fuckers need to keep it to yourself and stay the fuck out of the way.

Respect is earned not just given for no reason. I have no problem respecting homosexuals or anyone that also shows respect for me however, I do not accept that homosexuality is a normal condition.

Gays do not need to " ern you respect" or that of anyone else. They should be afforded respect just like any other human being on earth. In the same post you claim that you have no problem with them and state that you don't accept them as normal. Then you expect respect. Are you fucking kidding?>!!

 

[Leo123]

They already were all that they can be.He upends and destroys lives.

That's a pretty arrogant POV there PP.

 

[Leo123]

Gays do not need to " ern you respect" or that of anyone else. They should be afforded respect just like any other human being on earth. In the same post you claim that you have no problem with them and state that you don't accept them as normal. Then you expect respect. Are you fucking kidding?>!!

EVERYONE gay or not needs to earn the respect of their peers. I think we agree on that. I never said I expect any special respect from gays, stop lying. I RESPECT homosexuals as human beings and I EXPECT respect in return. I do not HAVE to accept their gender dysphoria as typical or normal. Pushing such a notion on other humans is repulsive.

 

[emilynghiem]

Gays folks are not in need of therapy or healing simply by virtue of the fact that they are gay. The healing is needed as the result of what society has done to them

People who "change " are often bisexual which is a fact that most here gloss over and refuse to acknowledge the difference between lifestyle and sexual orientation. Many other "change " as the result of shame and coercion, but they don't really change at all and often the long term results are disastrous. This is what facts look like

Homosexuals are put up on pedestals as role models and heroes by society here in the 21st Century. Many cities, including my birthplace of Youngstown, Ohio, have Homosexual Pride Parades every year to celebrate men who take it in the caboose.

Some researchers, including prominent therapist Dr. Marcus Bachmann, have worked on developing reparative therapies for those interested in leaving the Gay Lifestyle in favor of normalcy. Unfortunately, they have perfected a cure yet. Maybe federal grants, medicaid funding, etc., could help move this forward. If they was a silver bullet to straighten people out, do you think many would go for it? Some probably would and they should have a chance to change, but I think most homosexuals like be glorified as they are in the Western World.

Dr. Marcus Bachmann? The whack husband of the whack Michele Backman ?? These people are dangerous and you bigotry and stupidity is on full display with that inane rant.

You can call Dr. Bachmann a "whack" if you want, but he's actually a trained doctor and therapist who has been working with people who want to become ex-gay for many years.

What's wrong with helping people be all they can be?

Dear Polishprince TheProgressivePatriot and bodecea
Whether or not Dr. Bachmann is a whack, hack or whatever,
I think the solution would be to contact this doctor and ask
to follow up on the research done on the methods of spiritual
healing taught by Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt that are
noncoercive, nonjudgmental, and effective in natural voluntary healing.

If this Dr. Bachmann responds like a "hack" he will prove himself
to be too biased and unable to manage the process that is known to work.

If he is sincere in finding out the truth behind what works and what doesn't,
he would be happy to collaborate with other experts in healing therapy.

Polishprince if you are confident in this doctor's sincerity in seeking real answers
consistent with natural science, is this someone you are in contact with?

Dr. MacNutt and his wife have a nonprofit in Florida that can be contacted through
www.christianhealingmin.org

As for sources of funding, Neil Warren, founder of Eharmony wanted to invest
10 million to research solutions to this whole controversy over homosexuality
that he does not agree with either. But he's willing to support means of figuring it out
Neil Clark Warren, eHarmony Founder, Says Gay Marriage 'Damaged His Company' | HuffPost

 

[Polishprince]

Gays folks are not in need of therapy or healing simply by virtue of the fact that they are gay. The healing is needed as the result of what society has done to them

People who "change " are often bisexual which is a fact that most here gloss over and refuse to acknowledge the difference between lifestyle and sexual orientation. Many other "change " as the result of shame and coercion, but they don't really change at all and often the long term results are disastrous. This is what facts look like

Homosexuals are put up on pedestals as role models and heroes by society here in the 21st Century. Many cities, including my birthplace of Youngstown, Ohio, have Homosexual Pride Parades every year to celebrate men who take it in the caboose.

Some researchers, including prominent therapist Dr. Marcus Bachmann, have worked on developing reparative therapies for those interested in leaving the Gay Lifestyle in favor of normalcy. Unfortunately, they have perfected a cure yet. Maybe federal grants, medicaid funding, etc., could help move this forward. If they was a silver bullet to straighten people out, do you think many would go for it? Some probably would and they should have a chance to change, but I think most homosexuals like be glorified as they are in the Western World.

Dr. Marcus Bachmann? The whack husband of the whack Michele Backman ?? These people are dangerous and you bigotry and stupidity is on full display with that inane rant.

You can call Dr. Bachmann a "whack" if you want, but he's actually a trained doctor and therapist who has been working with people who want to become ex-gay for many years.

What's wrong with helping people be all they can be?

They already were all that they can be.He upends and destroys lives.

That's certainly your opinion, and your entitled to it.

But a lot of folks think that people are able to change. We aren't stuck in an immutable caste, but can instead reach for the stars. Homosexuals try to recruit normative folks all the time, you have no problem with that. What so terrible about this?

 

[emilynghiem]

Dr. Marcus Bachmann? The whack husband of the whack Michele Backman ?? These people are dangerous and you bigotry and stupidity is on full display with that inane rant.

You can call Dr. Bachmann a "whack" if you want, but he's actually a trained doctor and therapist who has been working with people who want to become ex-gay for many years.

What's wrong with helping people be all they can be?

They already were all that they can be.He upends and destroys lives.

All the more reason this doctor
should research spiritual healing
which doesn't cause any harm or destruction.

Best way to stop malpractice is for everyone
to learn the correct process so NOBODY gets away with abuses!

TheProgressivePatriot Polishprince Leo123

 

[emilynghiem]

Heterosexuals are routinely shamed for not accepting homosexuality as normal. That has to change before anything can happen.

Yes and no Leo123
when approaching this scientifically we cannot assume the conclusion as
part of the hypothesis. ie you don't start with assumptions.

it is not necessary to assume the conditions are "adverse"
in order to study how spiritual healing works.

We can go into the study and the process open minded without conditions
and it will still work to identify any unnatural influences and remove
conflicts or problems they cause. We don't have to 'agree in advance'
which causes or factors are problematic, unnatural or need to change.