I was wrong about Covid 19, and you probably was too.

[buttercup]

I noticed that no one’s talking about the Event 201 drill that took place in October of last year, basically an exercise for this very thing. I also noticed that no one is talking about the fact that this vaccine is patented. And also no one’s talking about the legislation that was already in place, for something like this, and that by their own words it appears this is leading to forced vaccinations. Martial law, forced vaccinations, and people are cheering it on. THAT is the most disappointing thing of all, way more scary than the coronavirus©.

Dear Lord in heaven. Shit's getting real and you're worried about forced vaccinations as the greatest danger in all of this.

I never said that was the greatest danger, don't put words in my mouth. I'm not even going to talk about what the greatest danger is with you all, because I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears.

Very important people have secret information!

Nothing secret, quite the opposite, but I’ll let you get back to your trolling.

 

[dblack]

We still have people on this forum who are in total denial. They are still parroting Trump's and Fox News talking points from a month ago.

Could more cases be related to the massive increase in testing, and not necessarily a massive increase in infections?

Hmmm......

Right on cue!

 

[eddiew]

I put this in Politics because if I put it in health, few will see it. As well as politics of this virus was clouding my mind in the same way it has clouded all of our minds.
As mentioned before, my son is a Respiratory Care Specialist at one of the nations leading Children's hospitals and my daughter is a Respiratory Therapist at a large metropolitan hospital/trauma center. When I say they are on the front lines of this, I mean they are on the front lines.
Up until Friday, I was not that concerned about getting it, or my wife or the two of them. Like most, I was comfortable in the knowledge that it is primarily a concern for the very old/folks with underlying illness.
That is no longer the case.
This weekend, all over the country hospitals are getting much younger patients that require life saving care - and they have no other illness. And the numbers you are seeing reported are not representative of the actual numbers. It is higher.
Like many, I scoffed at all of these restrictions the government was laying out. 4 states with "stay at home" orders. I thought this was over reacting.
Until I got a call from both my kids. Especially my daughter, upset and for the first time afraid and scared. "It is really bad here Dad, we are getting more and more and they are getting younger".
A 32 year old, who 48 hours earlier was at work, feeling a little funny. Last night he was on life support and fighting for his life. Add more to that. Kids also.

The situation is evolving. And it is changing in not a good way.
Take it serious folks. Don't wait until it effects you or someone you know. Change what you are doing now.
Thank God our government took this more seriously than we did.... I guess they knew more than us.




On a good note. The malaria drug is showing promise. Yesterday a 66 year old at the hospital was in critical condition on a breathing machine. He has received 2 malaria shots, is now off the machine and sitting up and talking. It isn't working for everyone, but it is clearly having positive results on some.

Thank you so much for that post Ima and thank you also for raising 2 great kids who are doing so much good for so many

 

[Leo123]

I mentioned earlier in this topic that the number of Covid-19 cases was doubling every two days.

Well, in case you doubted me, the CDC just released today's figures.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.

View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.

www.cdc.gov

I will post their figures from a couple days ago for comparison.

Two days ago:

Today:

Exponential Growth.............MATH DOESN'T LIE.........Most of that growth in High Density populations.......many 8 million people living on top of each other in New York.

Wuhan did the same and is Less Dense........PER AREA.......11 million there.......8 million New York city

Riddle me this...........in all these high rise apts. and condoes........does the VENTILATION RECIRCULATE in each room or through the building?

I can't help but notice the virus is growing more in Sanctuary Cities.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Hey, great! We agree on something! (I can see the problem with Trump calling it the Chinese Virus, but let's worry about that later). I'm just happy that we agreed on something.

We agree that it is the Coronavirus. We do not agree that there is a problem with Trump calling it the Chinese Virus. Two different subjects. We are capable of having two separate thoughts.

Fair enough.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Anecdotal stories are not science.
It does make sense that young people that smoke and vape weed (or tobacco), are obese, or have other underlying issues are more vulnerable to severe symptoms.
The fear machine is on full tilt!

A 32 year old, who 48 hours earlier was at work, feeling a little funny. Last night he was on life support and fighting for his life.

I take raw data seriously. A 32 year old getting the flu bad certainly is a rarity. Needing life support 2 days later is a freak case. Meaningless without knowing the patient's medical history.

The FACTS that concern me are:

1. 80,000 people DIED of influenza-like illnesses last season, JUST IN THE USA. That is about double the average. There was no panic, no alarm, no government lockdowns, no school closings, no bailouts, nothing.
2. So far there are only about 13,000 Covid deaths WORLDWIDE, and we are calling it a pandemic with every State in a state of "emergency." So far, 6.8 people have died per state.
3. There has only been ONE death attributed to Covid in my state. Last week, the governor closed all the liquor stores.
4. No one I've talked to has known a single person whose died, been sick with the Covid flu or has SEEN anything that would suggest to him this year is any worse than any other flu season.
5. I've crunched the numbers. If you take the number of people divided by the number of confirmed Covid cases, that means you are STILL 3.6X MORE LIKELY to get hit by lightning than to contract Covid. And that is only to get it. Only about 0.5% (best guess) actually die from it.

I'M CALLING BULLSHIT.

Then you don't know anyone who knows anyone who works in the medical field.

Sorry, one of my best friends is a doctor, and another good friend, his wife is in medicine. Next theory?

Well, obviously, you're an expert and we can all stop worrying about all this bullshit right now. Thanks for that!

I'M ALL EARS IF YOU CAN DISPROVE ONE THING I STATED.

I don't claim to be an expert. I listen to the experts.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

So call it by its proper name. Why is that hard?

So fucking what? We can call it whatever we want. There is no 'name police'

Again, why is it hard to call it by its proper name? Is it because you WANT to call it the "Chinese Virus" for some reason?

So what the Spanish flu wasn't from Spain, what's your point ?? Like Leo purdy much said, who made the left the Nazi word police ??

My dad made me the word police. He (a doctor, by the way) instilled in me a love of the English language and the proper use of it.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

No one was ready for this kind of crisis that will end up touching us all to some degree.

Thats only because the incompetent fuckup in the WH claimed it was not a big deal and a hoax.

Nope. Wouldn't have mattered who was in the White House, and wouldn't have mattered what they said. Once the dominoes started to fall around the world, our fate was sealed.
The world in 2020 is so mobile, nothing could have stopped this. It would have helped some if we would have tightened up our borders and restricted certain countries from coming here, but this would have only slightly delayed the inevitable.

Nope. Government action matters. Trump failed. Japan has only 1,086 cases. The United States has 32,000+. New York State alone has 17,530 and New York State is five times smaller than Japan in population. This is Trump's mess, the buck stops with him. The only question is how bad things will get. Hopefully New York state reaches a peak soon and then starts to level off.

As I finish writing this, the United States is now at 38,000+ cases and New York State is at 22,000+ cases. Japan still only has 1,086 cases. If New York State were a country, it would have the 6th largest total in the world now.

What's the population of Japan compared to the US?

If you're going to make that comparison use percentages if you can figure out how to calculate them

For example in my state .006% of the population has been confirmed by testing to have been infected.

Sorry I don't see this as the apocalypse it is being made out to be

Population of Japan: 126,000,000

Population of United States: 332,000,000

So the United States is nearly 3 times the size of Japan, but has 35 times more cases. That's a massive failure by TRUMP!

Not really it just proves that the US population is much more mobile and the US is a much more popular international destination.

The fact that most cases are being reported in the most densely populated areas should be no surprise either

Japan's population density is 336 people per square kilometer; the population density of the United States is 35.77 per square kilometer. So Japan's population density is TEN TIMES the U.S., yet the latest numbers I've found online show 33,404 cases in the U.S. but Japan had only 1,803 on Sunday. Either they're doing something right, or we're doing something wrong. Or both.

 

[Leo123]

So call it by its proper name. Why is that hard?

So fucking what? We can call it whatever we want. There is no 'name police'

Again, why is it hard to call it by its proper name? Is it because you WANT to call it the "Chinese Virus" for some reason?

So what the Spanish flu wasn't from Spain, what's your point ?? Like Leo purdy much said, who made the left the Nazi word police ??

My dad made me the word police. He (a doctor, by the way) instilled in me a love of the English language and the proper use of it.

Yeah the Spanish Flu was also misnamed. I personally like Coronavirus however I do understand the politics of calling it the Chinese Flu. Negotiating tactic. Maybe to stark for some but I understand the reason.

 

[Leo123]

No one was ready for this kind of crisis that will end up touching us all to some degree.

Thats only because the incompetent fuckup in the WH claimed it was not a big deal and a hoax.

Nope. Wouldn't have mattered who was in the White House, and wouldn't have mattered what they said. Once the dominoes started to fall around the world, our fate was sealed.
The world in 2020 is so mobile, nothing could have stopped this. It would have helped some if we would have tightened up our borders and restricted certain countries from coming here, but this would have only slightly delayed the inevitable.

Nope. Government action matters. Trump failed. Japan has only 1,086 cases. The United States has 32,000+. New York State alone has 17,530 and New York State is five times smaller than Japan in population. This is Trump's mess, the buck stops with him. The only question is how bad things will get. Hopefully New York state reaches a peak soon and then starts to level off.

As I finish writing this, the United States is now at 38,000+ cases and New York State is at 22,000+ cases. Japan still only has 1,086 cases. If New York State were a country, it would have the 6th largest total in the world now.

What's the population of Japan compared to the US?

If you're going to make that comparison use percentages if you can figure out how to calculate them

For example in my state .006% of the population has been confirmed by testing to have been infected.

Sorry I don't see this as the apocalypse it is being made out to be

Population of Japan: 126,000,000

Population of United States: 332,000,000

So the United States is nearly 3 times the size of Japan, but has 35 times more cases. That's a massive failure by TRUMP!

Not really it just proves that the US population is much more mobile and the US is a much more popular international destination.

The fact that most cases are being reported in the most densely populated areas should be no surprise either

Japan's population density is 336 people per square kilometer; the population density of the United States is 35.77 per square kilometer. So Japan's population density is TEN TIMES the U.S., yet the latest numbers I've found online show 33,404 cases in the U.S. but Japan had only 1,803 on Sunday. Either they're doing something right, or we're doing something wrong. Or both.

They don't have sanctuary cities.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

#1) I disagree he failed to act.

#2) So is South Korea. The cases in the US % wise are very few and far between.

1.) He should have shut the international borders back in February. He only shut down direct transport from China. Just shutting down travel from one country does virtually nothing in those globalized market place.

2.) Japan is the better comparison. Japan only has 9 cases per 1 million in population. The United States now has 98 cases per one million in population. The United States had a chance to be Japan. But Trump failed to act!

#1) He was getting mixed messages. He didn't want to happen in terms what is happening now. Economy in an upheaval, unemployment rising to 20% and kids not in schools. It is easy to be the Monday Morning QB but this was a very difficult decision. He did shut down travel but the virus was already here.

#2) Japan is much smaller than US and it is not all Trump. We are a Republic not an Empire. Trump was vilified and called a racist for closing travel to and from China if you recall.

#1) Trump is President and when he fails to do the job, you need to let him go.

#2) Japan is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of population, but only has 1,086 cases compared to New York States 22,000+! Massive failure.

#1) People will decide in November

#2) Ever been to NY...people are literally on top of one another. Not the size but the density is what counts. I am not shocked NY got it so bad.

Japan has greater population density than New York State. Tokyo is a larger city than New York City.

You just said NY has more people in it than all of Japan? Is NY larger than all of Japan in terms of territory?

No, I said JAPAN is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of POPULATION. It is 3 times the size of New York State in terms of territory.

So then Japan has better social distancing and is more proactive? What are you trying to say? Russia has fewer cases as well. I believe those countries along with South Korea acted faster because of their proximity to China.

Waiting to act is why the United States is in this current mess it is, while Russia and Japan have a relatively light infection numbers. You could wait maybe a day or two, but that's it. Thanks to air traffic, it takes less than 24 hours to get from middle of China to the furthest point on the planet from there which would be the middle of Argentina. That's how fast this lethal pathogen can spread around the world now that its in humans. The time to shut everything down was back on February 1, 2020.

Stop over hyping the lethality of this bug.

The lethality of this bug is way lower than advertised because we know that an unknown and potentially large number of people have been infected but their symptoms were mild or even nonexistent any they never sought medical help or got tested

I'm sure that's a comforting thought for those people who lost loved ones to the disease.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

No one was ready for this kind of crisis that will end up touching us all to some degree.

Thats only because the incompetent fuckup in the WH claimed it was not a big deal and a hoax.

Nope. Wouldn't have mattered who was in the White House, and wouldn't have mattered what they said. Once the dominoes started to fall around the world, our fate was sealed.
The world in 2020 is so mobile, nothing could have stopped this. It would have helped some if we would have tightened up our borders and restricted certain countries from coming here, but this would have only slightly delayed the inevitable.

Nope. Government action matters. Trump failed. Japan has only 1,086 cases. The United States has 32,000+. New York State alone has 17,530 and New York State is five times smaller than Japan in population. This is Trump's mess, the buck stops with him. The only question is how bad things will get. Hopefully New York state reaches a peak soon and then starts to level off.

As I finish writing this, the United States is now at 38,000+ cases and New York State is at 22,000+ cases. Japan still only has 1,086 cases. If New York State were a country, it would have the 6th largest total in the world now.

What's the population of Japan compared to the US?

If you're going to make that comparison use percentages if you can figure out how to calculate them

For example in my state .006% of the population has been confirmed by testing to have been infected.

Sorry I don't see this as the apocalypse it is being made out to be

Population of Japan: 126,000,000

Population of United States: 332,000,000

So the United States is nearly 3 times the size of Japan, but has 35 times more cases. That's a massive failure by TRUMP!

Not really it just proves that the US population is much more mobile and the US is a much more popular international destination.

The fact that most cases are being reported in the most densely populated areas should be no surprise either

Japan's population density is 336 people per square kilometer; the population density of the United States is 35.77 per square kilometer. So Japan's population density is TEN TIMES the U.S., yet the latest numbers I've found online show 33,404 cases in the U.S. but Japan had only 1,803 on Sunday. Either they're doing something right, or we're doing something wrong. Or both.

They don't have sanctuary cities.

Is there any evidence that immigrants (legal or otherwise) have contributed to the pandemic?

 

[Bruce Daniels]

You've completely backed yourself into a corner here. BY YOUR OWN EVIDENCE the speaker is "Harvey Dong". It says so right in the text. There's nothing you can do to change that. A newspaper (or radio, etc) does not publish only that with which it "agrees". Nor does THIS WEBSITE.

I never said I wanted to change anything. Try to pay attention. I said a radio is not a newspaper. You claim there is no difference. WaPo CHOSE to publish that crap. Then that crap is parroted by a radio that is an inanimate object. You don't address that fact nor apparently can you. The bottom line is...you are and were 100% wrong. The media called Trump a racist for calling the virus the Chinese virus. You have tried to slither out of that bullshit for many posts but you have only succeeded in making a fool of yourself.

Well, the name of the virus is novel coronavirus, and it causes covid-19 disease. Does that clear it up?

It's from CHINA. You know, like the SPANISH flu, the Hong Kong flu....we KNOW there is a scientific name so fucking what?

So call it by its proper name. Why is that hard?

Chinese Virus.

Happy?

Not particularly, but I learned long ago that you can't teach someone who doesn't want to learn.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

So call it by its proper name. Why is that hard?

So fucking what? We can call it whatever we want. There is no 'name police'

Again, why is it hard to call it by its proper name? Is it because you WANT to call it the "Chinese Virus" for some reason?

Because that's where it came from.

Yeah, I get that, dipshit. But the proper name for the virus is novel coronavirus.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

ow makes you feel better to call the coronavirus the Chinese Virus, go ahead. But I don't think that will prevent you or your loved ones from catching it, either way.

I never said calling it the Chinese Virus would prevent one from getting it. Honestly, where did you get that from? LOL

I didn't say that you made that claim. I was making fun of your desire/need to call it the Chinese Virus. The name that you call the virus (or the name that I call it) won't prevent either one of us from getting it. Understand? The virus doesn't give a damn.

I never said I had a desire to call it anything. My point was that the mainstream media is pushing the 'racist' moniker on Trump for calling it the 'Chinese Virus.' Wa Po published a story about it by some stupid anti Trump idiot. I was arguing with Pogo that they are obviously biased. Pogo said that WaPo was like a radio. Talk about a rabbit hole!! LOL

Well, if you don't have a desire or need to call it the Chinese Virus, would you call it the coronavirus?

I like calling it the Chinese virus cuz it tweaks off Dimsocialist snowflakes, and the dumbass MSM who were calling it that until Trump did............then it became racist.

Well, then, you go right ahead and call it that, if it makes you feel better and the grownups will talk in the other room.

 

[eagle1462010]

So call it by its proper name. Why is that hard?

So fucking what? We can call it whatever we want. There is no 'name police'

Again, why is it hard to call it by its proper name? Is it because you WANT to call it the "Chinese Virus" for some reason?

Because that's where it came from.

Yeah, I get that, dipshit. But the proper name for the virus is novel coronavirus.

Oh..........that KUNG FLU STUFF.........COOL

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Masks don't prevent the spread of those that don't have it but only for those that do, so why did you give them masks? Your lies are funny.

Yeah I know that now. However that shows my thinking even before it really started hitting. If I could figure it out as a layperson, why didnt that fuckup in the WH know something was wrong? Simple. He was more worried about his numbers than the people.

He did. No one knew what it was exactly until it was too late. Like you, Trump is human. Hell the NBA halted their season too late too. The impact of Trumps decisions has massive negatives on our economy and human psyche. Do you really blame him for waiting a little longer to completely shut the country down? One of my clients told me life was not worth living as he had to lay off 150+ people. He has three young kids at home. Trump is doing the best he can. Even on this board people are arguing if he overreacted. Opinions differ. This is an extremely difficult and unprecedented situation. I hope your family is safe. Despite our feud, I wish for health and happiness for you and yours. Look at the bright side, my people seem to have discovered an effective treatment.

Teva donates potential coronavirus treatment to hospitals across the US

I expect a mass collapse of small businesses because of this. A month closed will kill damn near every independent restaurant in the country.

There are places where I live that are doing take out however, many restaurants depend on their ambience and will still have to pay for the brick and mortar. I hope you are wrong though.

Most restaurants make 25-40% of their income from something that they cannot sell: alcohol!

My neighbor is in a panic, because he has rent, taxes, and a pile of other bills due, and no idea how he'll pay any of it.

Texas is now allowing the sale of alcohol by restaurants for curbside pick up and delivery.

if liquor stores are open it's silly to pay restaurant prices for booze

I think the point is to help local business get thru this, not get the best deal.

It kind of is always about getting the best deal IMO

Not always. If a majority of your local restaurants don't survive this life will not be the same. A buddy of mine had a great idea...........he ordered pick up from his favorite local spot and also bought a $500 gift certificate to help them with cash flow. If I had to guess, he will never even use it.

Hey, I agree with you on this! Everybody should do what they can to support their local businesses.

 

[flacaltenn]

Who called him racist when he stopped flights from China? Y'all keep saying that but never provide links to who allegedly did this... are you sure YOU are not just passing along another Trumpian, rightwing, lie?

Sleepy Joe came REAL close to EVERY accusation against Trump's China Travel ban -- EXCEPT racism...

The travel restrictions went into effect at 5:00pm today. Essentially President Trump is putting the health of Americans first. However, in an effort to politicize the Coronavirus, presidential candidate Joe Biden says travel entry restrictions are “hysteria, xenophobia and fearmongering”:

[…] “We have, right now, a crisis with the coronavirus,” Biden said in Iowa Friday. “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.” (more)

Have a feeling Joe wasn't up on "the science" thing at the time he mouthed off...

Read the rest of poor Old Joes' sleepy response at:

China Joe Accuses President Trump of "Fearmongering" Coronavirus Due to Suspension of Entry... - The Last Refuge

In response to an escalating spread of the Coronavirus President Trump initiated a suspension of entry visa’s for persons traveling from China: “The entry into the United States, as immigrants or nonimmigrants, of all aliens who were physically present within the People’s Republic of China...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[eagle1462010]

ow makes you feel better to call the coronavirus the Chinese Virus, go ahead. But I don't think that will prevent you or your loved ones from catching it, either way.

I never said calling it the Chinese Virus would prevent one from getting it. Honestly, where did you get that from? LOL

I didn't say that you made that claim. I was making fun of your desire/need to call it the Chinese Virus. The name that you call the virus (or the name that I call it) won't prevent either one of us from getting it. Understand? The virus doesn't give a damn.

I never said I had a desire to call it anything. My point was that the mainstream media is pushing the 'racist' moniker on Trump for calling it the 'Chinese Virus.' Wa Po published a story about it by some stupid anti Trump idiot. I was arguing with Pogo that they are obviously biased. Pogo said that WaPo was like a radio. Talk about a rabbit hole!! LOL

Well, if you don't have a desire or need to call it the Chinese Virus, would you call it the coronavirus?

I like calling it the Chinese virus cuz it tweaks off Dimsocialist snowflakes, and the dumbass MSM who were calling it that until Trump did............then it became racist.

Well, then, you go right ahead and call it that, if it makes you feel better and the grownups will talk in the other room.

 

[flacaltenn]

Too much personal brawling in here.. Just cleaned up about 10 or 12 posts.. Don't get warned or thread banned..