If a woman aborted my child, I would probably go ape shit. Why are the feelings of the father...

[Dragonlady]

...never discussed, or even considered?

There must be all kinds of stories of fathers who wanted to keep their child, but the mother aborted and they could do nothing to stop it.

I am convinced the pro-abort media is censoring these stories, which must be in the millions by now.

I do have a story of a friend of mine, who was blackmailed into a very bad marriage.

She said, "Marry me, or I will abort your child."

So he married her, even though I told him the marriage would never last, even though his father told him he'd get an all-expenses paid trip through Europe if he didn't marry her.

Of course, none of us knew about the abortion threat, because he kept that a secret.

And, sure enough, the marriage was very unhappy, and as I predicted, ended in divorce.

Why doesn't the media cover a story like that?

I find the story very interesting, don't you?

There is a simple solution. Don't have sex unless you both agree to having a baby in advance. If either of you is unwilling to have a child, at this time, then keep it in your pants.

No form of birth control is 100% effective. None. The only way you can guarantee that an unwanted pregnancy will not be the outcome of a sex Act is to abstain from intercourse.

What? I thought you lefties argued that teaching abstinence was foolish.

Because it doesn't work. The drive to have sex is second only to the instinct to survive.

I'm not promoting abstinence. Blackrook says he couldn't stand it if a woman aborted his child. Well the only way he can ensure that doesn't happen is to abstain from sex unless they both agree in advance to have a baby.

It doesn't matter if he's married or not. If she doesn't want a baby, and is just looking for a little romance, well that's too bad.

Men you complain about women who would abort their child probably knew she didn't want a baby before they had sex. This would be especially true if one or both of them were "taking precautions". If you really and truly don't believe in abortion and don't want a baby, the only way to guarantee that she won't get pregnant is to abstain from sex.

If you're a man, and you have sex with a woman, protected or otherwise, there is always a risk she will get pregnant. You either accept that risk or you abstain. If she opts for an abortion, you knew that risk before you had sex and you went ahead anyway.

If she chooses to have the child and he opts to not pay to support it, she knew the risk before when she spread her legs. Isn't that equal? Or do you support her having a choice and him not having one?

Nope. He knew the risks too. Once he lets those swimmers go, he's on the hook. Personal responsibility baby! This is what it really looks like.

Aborting a fetus you can't care for is personal responsibility. Accepting that you cannot, for whatever reason, carry a child to term or raise it is personal responsibility. But for a man to complain that a woman he knowingly had sex with is refusing to have his baby when he knew she didn't want a child, is petulant and foolish. You had a choice and you made it.

 

[Conservative65]

...never discussed, or even considered?

There must be all kinds of stories of fathers who wanted to keep their child, but the mother aborted and they could do nothing to stop it.

I am convinced the pro-abort media is censoring these stories, which must be in the millions by now.

I do have a story of a friend of mine, who was blackmailed into a very bad marriage.

She said, "Marry me, or I will abort your child."

So he married her, even though I told him the marriage would never last, even though his father told him he'd get an all-expenses paid trip through Europe if he didn't marry her.

Of course, none of us knew about the abortion threat, because he kept that a secret.

And, sure enough, the marriage was very unhappy, and as I predicted, ended in divorce.

Why doesn't the media cover a story like that?

I find the story very interesting, don't you?

There is a simple solution. Don't have sex unless you both agree to having a baby in advance. If either of you is unwilling to have a child, at this time, then keep it in your pants.

No form of birth control is 100% effective. None. The only way you can guarantee that an unwanted pregnancy will not be the outcome of a sex Act is to abstain from intercourse.

What? I thought you lefties argued that teaching abstinence was foolish.

Because it doesn't work. The drive to have sex is second only to the instinct to survive.

I'm not promoting abstinence. Blackrook says he couldn't stand it if a woman aborted his child. Well the only way he can ensure that doesn't happen is to abstain from sex unless they both agree in advance to have a baby.

It doesn't matter if he's married or not. If she doesn't want a baby, and is just looking for a little romance, well that's too bad.

Men you complain about women who would abort their child probably knew she didn't want a baby before they had sex. This would be especially true if one or both of them were "taking precautions". If you really and truly don't believe in abortion and don't want a baby, the only way to guarantee that she won't get pregnant is to abstain from sex.

If you're a man, and you have sex with a woman, protected or otherwise, there is always a risk she will get pregnant. You either accept that risk or you abstain. If she opts for an abortion, you knew that risk before you had sex and you went ahead anyway.

If she chooses to have the child and he opts to not pay to support it, she knew the risk before when she spread her legs. Isn't that equal? Or do you support her having a choice and him not having one?

Nope. He knew the risks too. Once he lets those swimmers go, he's on the hook. Personal responsibility baby! This is what it really looks like.

Aborting a fetus you can't care for is personal responsibility. Accepting that you cannot, for whatever reason, carry a child to term or raise it is personal responsibility. But for a man to complain that a woman he knowingly had sex with is refusing to have his baby when he knew she didn't want a child, is petulant and foolish. You had a choice and you made it.

Aborting a baby you knew could be produced when you spread your legs isn't personal responsibility. Accepting the results of spreading your legs despite the results not being what you wanted is personal responsibility. Is it personally responsible to burn down your house if you can no longer pay for it?

Now for the rest of us. Since your argument is that the one letting go of the swimmers is the sole reason he is responsible for supporting the child, why are those of us that didn't let go of them with her responsible is she chooses to have a child she can't support? We didn't do the very thing for which you argue is the reason for the donor having to pay. Let me guess, you'll find some other excuse why a choice SHE made is not her responsibility to pay for.

 

[Unkotare]

Whatever. You can hum and haw all you want but you will never have a say in what a woman can do with her own body. As I said earlier..DEAL WITH IT.

Everyone has a say.

 

[Unkotare]

Should it be illegal for a mother to jump from a ladder on to her pregnant belly, causing a miscarriage?

If she is 5 or more months preggers..yeah. She should've had it removed as soon as she was told "yep. Yer preggers".

You are trying so hard to convince yourself of something that it's obvious you don't believe it.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If a woman aborted my child, I would probably go ape shit. Why are the feelings of the father...

You probably should have taken measures to prevent knocking her up in the first place.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Very simple reason. You dont have to carry the load for 9 months and have basically a parasite eating off you.

If we lived in a civilized world populated by civilized people, you would have to hide yourself in shame for the rest of your life for uttering those horrible words.

But among liberals, who are morally corrupt and reprehensible in all ways that matter, your words will barely register at all.

The moral corruption is yours. You impregnated her without her consent.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Very simple reason. You dont have to carry the load for 9 months and have basically a parasite eating off you.

If we lived in a civilized world populated by civilized people, you would have to hide yourself in shame for the rest of your life for uttering those horrible words.

But among liberals, who are morally corrupt and reprehensible in all ways that matter, your words will barely register at all.

Dont get emotional. Use your brain. Its horrible to witness a abortion however until you have to carry the child you really dont have a say in the matter.

So I should stand by silently while innocent children are butchered? Is that your advice to me?

Or simply don't impregnate random women.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Okay, first let me say that aborting a baby is one of the worst things someone can do. There should be a damn fucking good reason for doing so. If we're going to do it, why not let mother kill child up until the ages of 2 years after birth? All the same reasons still apply. Let mama kill baby.

With that said, balance the burdens of the mother verses the father. Mother has to carry the baby, which fucks up her body. She has to live with the burden of caring for the child for a good portion of her life. All father has had to do in the entire process is FUCK.

The decision should be the mother's alone, given her extreme burden compared with the father's.

No child should be killed after it has left the mothers womb. There has to be a cutoff while its in there or now its murder.

No child should be killed while it is in the womb.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If it wasnt a false alarm would you have been prepared to carry the child in your stomach for 9 months?

Do me a favor.

Build a time machine and make it possible for me to carry the child.

Do it.

So you agree it wasnt possible? Therefore the burden was entirely on her right? Who are you to dictate to her what she should or shouldnt do with her own body?

I have the same right to tell the expectant mother of our child that she has no right to kill our child that I have to tell anyone else. maybe more so.

The same right that i have to oppose any OTHER forms of child molestation.

I said dictate not tell. No one cares what you tell someone. Dictate would be forcing the issue. and yes she has a right to have an abortion. Its the law.

The law is based on an arbitrary and capricous dictate by a power grasping Supreme Court, based on a notion of "right to privacy" that was a legal fiction not found in the actual text or original intent of the United States, imposed on the states, regardless of what the American people wanted.

The law is based on an arbitrary and capricous dictate by a power grasping Supreme Court, based on a notion of "right to privacy" that was a legal fiction not found in the actual text or original intent of the United States, imposed on the states, regardless of what the American people wanted.

No, the law is based on the understanding that abortion, legal or otherwise, is part of the human condition and will always happen. It was determined that making it legal and therefore regulated at least makes it safe. It was a compromise.
Moral or not, it will always happen.

 

[Conservative65]

If a woman aborted my child, I would probably go ape shit. Why are the feelings of the father...

You probably should have taken measures to prevent knocking her up in the first place.

Where is her responsibility for not getting knocked up? She played half the role in the process by spreading her legs. In fact, he couldn't have done the knocking if she hadn't presented to door.

 

[Conservative65]

Do me a favor.

Build a time machine and make it possible for me to carry the child.

Do it.

So you agree it wasnt possible? Therefore the burden was entirely on her right? Who are you to dictate to her what she should or shouldnt do with her own body?

I have the same right to tell the expectant mother of our child that she has no right to kill our child that I have to tell anyone else. maybe more so.

The same right that i have to oppose any OTHER forms of child molestation.

I said dictate not tell. No one cares what you tell someone. Dictate would be forcing the issue. and yes she has a right to have an abortion. Its the law.

The law is based on an arbitrary and capricous dictate by a power grasping Supreme Court, based on a notion of "right to privacy" that was a legal fiction not found in the actual text or original intent of the United States, imposed on the states, regardless of what the American people wanted.

The law is based on an arbitrary and capricous dictate by a power grasping Supreme Court, based on a notion of "right to privacy" that was a legal fiction not found in the actual text or original intent of the United States, imposed on the states, regardless of what the American people wanted.

No, the law is based on the understanding that abortion, legal or otherwise, is part of the human condition and will always happen. It was determined that making it legal and therefore regulated at least makes it safe. It was a compromise.
Moral or not, it will always happen.

Safe for whom? Every abortion takes the life of a living being.

Interesting how you justify immoral acts.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Her body. Her decision.

Not just her body. Her future as well.

 

[Conservative65]

Very simple reason. You dont have to carry the load for 9 months and have basically a parasite eating off you.

If we lived in a civilized world populated by civilized people, you would have to hide yourself in shame for the rest of your life for uttering those horrible words.

But among liberals, who are morally corrupt and reprehensible in all ways that matter, your words will barely register at all.

Dont get emotional. Use your brain. Its horrible to witness a abortion however until you have to carry the child you really dont have a say in the matter.

So I should stand by silently while innocent children are butchered? Is that your advice to me?

Or simply don't impregnate random women.

Are you saying every abortion is done due to someone impregnating a random woman?

 

[Conservative65]

Her body. Her decision.

What happens when her decision is to have a child she can't afford to support? Why, then, is her decision the responsibility of those that didn't get her pregnant? If you're going to argue that it's her body and her decision, why do you avoid holding accountable for funding that decision to the one that made it?

What people that make claims like you actually believe is that a woman should be able to do with her body what she wants to do with her body but others should be responsible for funding things when she can't afford the decisions you say are hers and hers alone.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Her body. Her decision.

Baby ALSO has a body:

Her body. Her decision. Deal with it.

I AM dealing with it, by starting these threads. It's the only way I can stay sane in the face of so much murder and bloodletting. At least I can sleep at night, knowing I tried to do something.

The problem isn't abortion. The problem is unintended pregnancy. You should be for any and all solutions that address that problem.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Very simple reason. You dont have to carry the load for 9 months and have basically a parasite eating off you.

If we lived in a civilized world populated by civilized people, you would have to hide yourself in shame for the rest of your life for uttering those horrible words.

But among liberals, who are morally corrupt and reprehensible in all ways that matter, your words will barely register at all.

Dont get emotional. Use your brain. Its horrible to witness a abortion however until you have to carry the child you really dont have a say in the matter.

So I should stand by silently while innocent children are butchered? Is that your advice to me?

Or simply don't impregnate random women.

Are you saying every abortion is done due to someone impregnating a random woman?

Well, she didn't get there on her own.
The OP was lamenting the lack of paternal rights. The solution is not to put yourself in such a position in the first place. It's not solely the woman's responsibility to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

 

[Conservative65]

If we lived in a civilized world populated by civilized people, you would have to hide yourself in shame for the rest of your life for uttering those horrible words.

But among liberals, who are morally corrupt and reprehensible in all ways that matter, your words will barely register at all.

Dont get emotional. Use your brain. Its horrible to witness a abortion however until you have to carry the child you really dont have a say in the matter.

So I should stand by silently while innocent children are butchered? Is that your advice to me?

Or simply don't impregnate random women.

Are you saying every abortion is done due to someone impregnating a random woman?

Well, she didn't get there on her own.
The OP was lamenting the lack of paternal rights. The solution is not to put yourself in such a position in the first place. It's not solely the woman's responsibility to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

You said random women.

I agree the responsibility when it comes to a child being produced is that of both. I also believe that since it is, the choice belongs to both. In addition, if the decision is to have the child, it isn't the responsibility of anyone but those making the choice to carry the financial responsibility of that choice. Those of us that didn't impregnate her or decide for her to have the child have no responsibility in that area.

By the way, there is no such thing as an unwanted pregnancy except in the cases where rape occurred.

 

[rightwinger]

...never discussed, or even considered?

There must be all kinds of stories of fathers who wanted to keep their child, but the mother aborted and they could do nothing to stop it.

I am convinced the pro-abort media is censoring these stories, which must be in the millions by now.

I do have a story of a friend of mine, who was blackmailed into a very bad marriage.

She said, "Marry me, or I will abort your child."

So he married her, even though I told him the marriage would never last, even though his father told him he'd get an all-expenses paid trip through Europe if he didn't marry her.

Of course, none of us knew about the abortion threat, because he kept that a secret.

And, sure enough, the marriage was very unhappy, and as I predicted, ended in divorce.

Why doesn't the media cover a story like that?

I find the story very interesting, don't you?

If you don't want children wear a condom.........problem solved

You don't use birth control and the woman gets pregnant, she gets to make the decision on what happens next. YOU made the decision not to wear a condom

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It has no rights while it freeloads off the mothers body. And there IS a time frame for those squatters rights.

Funny, that's not what the Supreme Court said when they were deciding Roe.

They said:

You don't get it. I DON'T CARE what the SC says. Its MY body. MY choice. Not yours. Not the courts. Not anybodys. PERIOD. And the laws can dictate whatever floats their boat but women who choose to NOT carry a fetus WILL find a way to remove it. So knock yourselves out trying to win control over a body that is not yours. Good luck with that.

You don't get it. I DON'T CARE what the SC says. Its MY body. MY choice. Not yours. Not the courts. Not anybodys. PERIOD. And the laws can dictate whatever floats their boat but women who choose to NOT carry a fetus WILL find a way to remove it. So knock yourselves out trying to win control over a body that is not yours. Good luck with that.

Thank you. That is exactly why it must be legal. It's part of human nature and Roe simply allows for it to be done safely.

 

[Conservative65]

...never discussed, or even considered?

There must be all kinds of stories of fathers who wanted to keep their child, but the mother aborted and they could do nothing to stop it.

I am convinced the pro-abort media is censoring these stories, which must be in the millions by now.

I do have a story of a friend of mine, who was blackmailed into a very bad marriage.

She said, "Marry me, or I will abort your child."

So he married her, even though I told him the marriage would never last, even though his father told him he'd get an all-expenses paid trip through Europe if he didn't marry her.

Of course, none of us knew about the abortion threat, because he kept that a secret.

And, sure enough, the marriage was very unhappy, and as I predicted, ended in divorce.

Why doesn't the media cover a story like that?

I find the story very interesting, don't you?

If you don't want children wear a condom.........problem solved

You don't use birth control and the woman gets pregnant, she gets to make the decision on what happens next

Are you saying that if he uses birth control and the woman gets pregnant he gets a say?