If atheism is true then there is no good or bad and there is no right or wrong

[Blackrook]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

 

[bodecea]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Sorry to hear that YOU need an imaginary sky fairy to make you be moral.....most of us do it because of the Golden Rule and empathy. Most of us don't need the fear of some sky fairy punishing us to do the right thing.

 

[TNHarley]

religion didnt invent morals. What a dumb thing to say.

 

[Mr Natural]

religion didnt invent morals. What a dumb thing to say.

Consider the source.

 

[Disir]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

That is incorrect.

 

[WinterBorn]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Sorry to hear that YOU need an imaginary sky fairy to make you be moral.....most of us do it because of the Golden Rule and empathy. Most of us don't need the fear of some sky fairy punishing us to do the right thing.

If the only thing stopping you from murdering someone is your fear of an imaginary man in the sky, you are a despicable human being.

It also seems to say that you WANT to murder someone, but God is preventing it.


Right & wrong are not about fear of the supernatural.

 

[Mr Natural]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Sorry to hear that YOU need an imaginary sky fairy to make you be moral.....most of us do it because of the Golden Rule and empathy. Most of us don't need the fear of some sky fairy punishing us to do the right thing.

If the only thing stopping you from murdering someone is your fear of an imaginary man in the sky, you are a despicable human being.

It also seems to say that you WANT to murder someone, but God is preventing it.


Right & wrong are not about fear of the supernatural.

Well, judging by he/she/its posts, he/she/it does seem a bit unbalanced.

 

[DGS49]

It doesn't take a very sophisticated mind to conclude, logically, that one cannot intentionally harm other people or their property. And given more thought, an entire "code of conduct" can evolve, which might allow people to get along together in the long term.

But there is a germ of truth in the OP, and that is that some "evil" behavior is apparently harmless (to everyone else), and there are many activities that are not logically supportable that are virtually necessary for the success of any society.

Why help a stranger? Why give to charity? Why donate your time, effort and money to civic improvement?

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Killing a healthy, viable baby who would be born an hour from now, if left to its natural course?

Helping a severely depressed person commit suicide?

If there is no "god," why not?

 

[Fenton Lum]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

I say you're full of shit. What you're saying is you have no self control without believing you're being watched.

 

[BlindBoo]

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States........"

Belief in Hell as punishment or belief in any Supernatural Beings, not required.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

I believe a better way to phrase it is that without a Supreme Being holding us accountable to written moral standards, we are free to make up our own moral standards on a minute to minute basis.

For example, an atheist can live a perfectly good and moral life. Then one day they see $100 left on the clerks desk at the store and nobody is looking.
A religious person may take it but likely will not.
An atheist may take it and can easily justify their action without fear of ramifications.

 

[Fenton Lum]

It doesn't take a very sophisticated mind to conclude, logically, that one cannot intentionally harm other people or their property. And given more thought, an entire "code of conduct" can evolve, which might allow people to get along together in the long term.

But there is a germ of truth in the OP, and that is that some "evil" behavior is apparently harmless (to everyone else), and there are many activities that are not logically supportable that are virtually necessary for the success of any society.

Why help a stranger? Why give to charity? Why donate your time, effort and money to civic improvement?

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Killing a healthy, viable baby who would be born an hour from now, if left to its natural course?

Helping a severely depressed person commit suicide?

If there is no "god," why not?

Unfortunately for you and the OP, christianity as practiced in the US provides no anecdote at all for its adherents in terms of protecting them from engaging in behaviors that are detrimental for society as a whole. In fact religion is very often leveraged as cover. Even the OP asserts the usual you're-with-me-or-you're-against-god/a-liar shtick.

 

[Fenton Lum]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

I believe a better way to phrase it is that without a Supreme Being holding us accountable to written moral standards, we are free to make up our own moral standards on a minute to minute basis.

For example, an atheist can live a perfectly good and moral life. Then one day they see $100 left on the clerks desk at the store and nobody is looking.
A religious person may take it but likely will not.
An atheist may take it and can easily justify their action without fear of ramifications.

A religious person is free to start a bogus war based on lies though. And enslave. And set up concentration camps. And engage in ethnic cleansing and genocide. Or say sell arms to Wahabists while claiming to be anti-terrorist. Why, they can sell North Korea nuclear reactors and then try to start a war over NK's nuclear capability. Or occupy the planet militarily. Bomb civilians. Or provide Saddam with the chemical weaponry he uses on his own people and then proclaim "He gassed his own people, it was so horrible!". And yeah, religious people are stealing from the american public daily, and attempting to deepen that stealing even as we speak.

So no, your so called supreme being saves you from none of that at all.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

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And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Sorry to hear that YOU need an imaginary sky fairy to make you be moral.....most of us do it because of the Golden Rule and empathy. Most of us don't need the fear of some sky fairy punishing us to do the right thing.

If the only thing stopping you from murdering someone is your fear of an imaginary man in the sky, you are a despicable human being.

It also seems to say that you WANT to murder someone, but God is preventing it.


Right & wrong are not about fear of the supernatural.

So before the last 40 years it was pretty standard what Good vs Evil and Right vs Wrong was. But then the liberals started going with the 50 shades of grey where once when a man took the life of another man or wife in the 1st degree, that person could walk because of a glove or something like that...

 

[Weatherman2020]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

I believe a better way to phrase it is that without a Supreme Being holding us accountable to written moral standards, we are free to make up our own moral standards on a minute to minute basis.

For example, an atheist can live a perfectly good and moral life. Then one day they see $100 left on the clerks desk at the store and nobody is looking.
A religious person may take it but likely will not.
An atheist may take it and can easily justify their action without fear of ramifications.

A religious person is free to start a bogus war based on lies though. And enslave. And set up concentration camps. And engage in ethnic cleansing and genocide. Or say sell arms to Wahabists while claiming to be anti-terrorist. Why, they can sell North Korea nuclear reactors and then try to start a war over NK's nuclear capability. Or occupy the planet militarily. Bomb civilians. Or provide Saddam with the chemical weaponry he uses on his own people and then proclaim "He gassed his own people, it was so horrible!". And yeah, religious people are stealing from the american public daily, and attempting to deepen that stealing even as we speak.

So no, your so called supreme being saves you from none of that at all.

 

[WinterBorn]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

I believe a better way to phrase it is that without a Supreme Being holding us accountable to written moral standards, we are free to make up our own moral standards on a minute to minute basis.

For example, an atheist can live a perfectly good and moral life. Then one day they see $100 left on the clerks desk at the store and nobody is looking.
A religious person may take it but likely will not.
An atheist may take it and can easily justify their action without fear of ramifications.

An atheist is just as likely to not take it. And the Christian can just take it and repent later.

 

[Fenton Lum]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

I believe a better way to phrase it is that without a Supreme Being holding us accountable to written moral standards, we are free to make up our own moral standards on a minute to minute basis.

For example, an atheist can live a perfectly good and moral life. Then one day they see $100 left on the clerks desk at the store and nobody is looking.
A religious person may take it but likely will not.
An atheist may take it and can easily justify their action without fear of ramifications.

A religious person is free to start a bogus war based on lies though. And enslave. And set up concentration camps. And engage in ethnic cleansing and genocide. Or say sell arms to Wahabists while claiming to be anti-terrorist. Why, they can sell North Korea nuclear reactors and then try to start a war over NK's nuclear capability. Or occupy the planet militarily. Bomb civilians. Or provide Saddam with the chemical weaponry he uses on his own people and then proclaim "He gassed his own people, it was so horrible!". And yeah, religious people are stealing from the american public daily, and attempting to deepen that stealing even as we speak.

So no, your so called supreme being saves you from none of that at all.

Search if you want the truth, it's all in the public domain, you're invested in denial. There is no anecdote for that.

 

[Fenton Lum]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

I believe a better way to phrase it is that without a Supreme Being holding us accountable to written moral standards, we are free to make up our own moral standards on a minute to minute basis.

For example, an atheist can live a perfectly good and moral life. Then one day they see $100 left on the clerks desk at the store and nobody is looking.
A religious person may take it but likely will not.
An atheist may take it and can easily justify their action without fear of ramifications.

An atheist is just as likely to not take it. And the Christian can just take it and repent later.

Same with the buggering of prepubescent boys.

 

[BlindBoo]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?