If atheism is true then there is no good or bad and there is no right or wrong

[evenflow1969]

It doesn't take a very sophisticated mind to conclude, logically, that one cannot intentionally harm other people or their property. And given more thought, an entire "code of conduct" can evolve, which might allow people to get along together in the long term.

But there is a germ of truth in the OP, and that is that some "evil" behavior is apparently harmless (to everyone else), and there are many activities that are not logically supportable that are virtually necessary for the success of any society.

Why help a stranger? Why give to charity? Why donate your time, effort and money to civic improvement?

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Killing a healthy, viable baby who would be born an hour from now, if left to its natural course?

Helping a severely depressed person commit suicide?

If there is no "god," why not?

Becuase cooperation lifts all ships put simply. Empathy. It feels good to help and lift others. I do not need fear to want to do good.

 

[evenflow1969]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

If I can't earn it I do not want it!

 

[Fenton Lum]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

Not for Wall Street banksters, hedge fund managers or the donor/"job creator" class, no, as we see daily.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Almost everyone in prison was not attending church regularly when they committed their crime. Only a few rare exceptions of regular church goers are in prison.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Almost everyone in prison was not attending church regularly when they committed their crime. Only a few rare exceptions of regular church goers are in prison.

White collar criminals gather in church.

 

[BlindBoo]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

That's a funny question.

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yes.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

Not for Wall Street banksters, hedge fund managers or the donor/"job creator" class, no, as we see daily.

hedge fund managers

Same people that Chelsea Clinton Married?

For Clintons, a Hedge Fund in the Family

For Clintons, a Hedge Fund in the Family
By MATTHEW GOLDSTEIN and STEVE EDERMARCH 22, 2015

Bwaaaahhhhaaahhhhaaaa, boy are you libtards stupid....

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

That's a funny question.

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yes.

Yet even today, the Federal Government is stealing from those that work and giving it to those that don't. If equal rights are for EVERYONE, then everyone should PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE....

 

[Bonzi]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Sorry to hear that YOU need an imaginary sky fairy to make you be moral.....most of us do it because of the Golden Rule and empathy. Most of us don't need the fear of some sky fairy punishing us to do the right thing.

No, most just need the feat of the death penalty or jail time

 

[Fenton Lum]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

Not for Wall Street banksters, hedge fund managers or the donor/"job creator" class, no, as we see daily.

hedge fund managers

Same people that Chelsea Clinton Married?

For Clintons, a Hedge Fund in the Family

For Clintons, a Hedge Fund in the Family
By MATTHEW GOLDSTEIN and STEVE EDERMARCH 22, 2015

Bwaaaahhhhaaahhhhaaaa, boy are you libtards stupid....

Yes, like I say, your entire system is corrupt. You know it, that's why you rely upon the guilt/sin/blame game and have nothing but "oh yeah? well 'your' side is shittier than 'my' side, so there!".

 

[Fenton Lum]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Sorry to hear that YOU need an imaginary sky fairy to make you be moral.....most of us do it because of the Golden Rule and empathy. Most of us don't need the fear of some sky fairy punishing us to do the right thing.

No, most just need the feat of the death penalty or jail time

Yeah, that feat has made such a dent in things, but hey, we got for profit corporate prisons, a growth industry, to fuel and no one's going to "bring the jobs" back anyway.

 

[BlindBoo]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

That's a funny question.

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yes.

Yet even today, the Federal Government is stealing from those that work and giving it to those that don't. If equal rights are for EVERYONE, then everyone should PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE....

View attachment 156657

"If you think about what it means to say “Taxation Is Theft,” you are endorsing the notion that government has come to you like a thief in the night, taken your money, and left you with nothing in return. Unfortunately, that is not factually, or grammatically true. Yes, the government does take your money by force, but you do get something for your tax money, and, by definition, that is not theft; it is extortion. I will grant the anarchists one thing: “Taxation Is Extortion” doesn’t roll off the tongue the same way “Taxation Is Theft” does, but I’d gladly sacrifice marketing for accuracy. The only person who does not believe that we need a police department and the various agencies that uphold contracts and protect us from companies that would pollute for greater profits, is an anarchist. They actually believe that the government is worthless. They believe that if every government agency and department went away, that the town in which they lived would magically be taken over by a wave of volunteerism and self-sufficiency.

To them, taxation really is theft. If the Libertarian Party is not careful, like a Trojan horse, we will have allowed the anarchists to lure us into a logical inconsistency usually reserved for Democrats and Republicans. ........"

Taxation Is Not Theft - Being Libertarian

 

[WinterBorn]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

Of course it is. And before you try to use the 8th commandment as the sole source of the rule, remember that every culture with laws has had one against theft. Including those without contact with Christianity or those that predate Christianity.

 

[Fenton Lum]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

That's a funny question.

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yes.

Yet even today, the Federal Government is stealing from those that work and giving it to those that don't. If equal rights are for EVERYONE, then everyone should PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE....

View attachment 156657

"If you think about what it means to say “Taxation Is Theft,” you are endorsing the notion that government has come to you like a thief in the night, taken your money, and left you with nothing in return. Unfortunately, that is not factually, or grammatically true. Yes, the government does take your money by force, but you do get something for your tax money, and, by definition, that is not theft; it is extortion. I will grant the anarchists one thing: “Taxation Is Extortion” doesn’t roll off the tongue the same way “Taxation Is Theft” does, but I’d gladly sacrifice marketing for accuracy. The only person who does not believe that we need a police department and the various agencies that uphold contracts and protect us from companies that would pollute for greater profits, is an anarchist. They actually believe that the government is worthless. They believe that if every government agency and department went away, that the town in which they lived would magically be taken over by a wave of volunteerism and self-sufficiency.

To them, taxation really is theft. If the Libertarian Party is not careful, like a Trojan horse, we will have allowed the anarchists to lure us into a logical inconsistency usually reserved for Democrats and Republicans. ........"

Taxation Is Not Theft - Being Libertarian

Capitalists of the american strain accusing anyone of theft is schizophrenic.

 

[Fenton Lum]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

Of course it is. And before you try to use the 8th commandment as the sole source of the rule, remember that every culture with laws has had one against theft. Including those without contact with Christianity or those that predate Christianity.

We like to think we discovered everything and are as pure as the driven snow; it's all tangled up in the notion of "exceptionalism".

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

What's wrong with downloading kiddie-porn? Lusting after your neighbor's wife? Screwing her, if you don't get caught? Filing a fraudulent claim against a large insurance company, or the government? Suing someone for an injury for which you were at fault? Taking drugs?

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

Not for Wall Street banksters, hedge fund managers or the donor/"job creator" class, no, as we see daily.

hedge fund managers

Same people that Chelsea Clinton Married?

For Clintons, a Hedge Fund in the Family

For Clintons, a Hedge Fund in the Family
By MATTHEW GOLDSTEIN and STEVE EDERMARCH 22, 2015

Bwaaaahhhhaaahhhhaaaa, boy are you libtards stupid....

Yes, like I say, your entire system is corrupt. You know it, that's why you rely upon the guilt/sin/blame game and have nothing but "oh yeah? well 'your' side is shittier than 'my' side, so there!".

And that is why the swamp is going to be drained... thank you for noticing how establishment liberals(R) and (D) have allowed this shit to happen..

 

[bodecea]

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Sorry to hear that YOU need an imaginary sky fairy to make you be moral.....most of us do it because of the Golden Rule and empathy. Most of us don't need the fear of some sky fairy punishing us to do the right thing.

And there is no basis for saying that I can't just shoot a man down in cold blood or abort a baby or strangle my wife in her sleep.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

I believe a better way to phrase it is that without a Supreme Being holding us accountable to written moral standards, we are free to make up our own moral standards on a minute to minute basis.

For example, an atheist can live a perfectly good and moral life. Then one day they see $100 left on the clerks desk at the store and nobody is looking.
A religious person may take it but likely will not.
An atheist may take it and can easily justify their action without fear of ramifications.

So you are saying that religious people don't justify bad behavior?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

That's a funny question.

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yes.

Yet even today, the Federal Government is stealing from those that work and giving it to those that don't. If equal rights are for EVERYONE, then everyone should PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE....

View attachment 156657

"If you think about what it means to say “Taxation Is Theft,” you are endorsing the notion that government has come to you like a thief in the night, taken your money, and left you with nothing in return. Unfortunately, that is not factually, or grammatically true. Yes, the government does take your money by force, but you do get something for your tax money, and, by definition, that is not theft; it is extortion. I will grant the anarchists one thing: “Taxation Is Extortion” doesn’t roll off the tongue the same way “Taxation Is Theft” does, but I’d gladly sacrifice marketing for accuracy. The only person who does not believe that we need a police department and the various agencies that uphold contracts and protect us from companies that would pollute for greater profits, is an anarchist. They actually believe that the government is worthless. They believe that if every government agency and department went away, that the town in which they lived would magically be taken over by a wave of volunteerism and self-sufficiency.

To them, taxation really is theft. If the Libertarian Party is not careful, like a Trojan horse, we will have allowed the anarchists to lure us into a logical inconsistency usually reserved for Democrats and Republicans. ........"

Taxation Is Not Theft - Being Libertarian

Capitalists of the american strain accusing anyone of theft is schizophrenic.

Communist of the American strain steal from those that work and rewards the shitfucks who don't, and they think they are Robin Hood, schizophrenic.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Somebody abused the children to make the porn. Sex acts should be consensual. Fraud is illegal. As long as you don't pose a danger to others, restricting recreational use of drugs causes more harm to society than good.

Late term abortions, especially the one hour window you describe, are exceptionally rare and should only happen if the life of the mother is in danger or the child is simply not viable.

Euthanasia should be legal for those with terminal illnesses. Not depression. Treat that with Magic Mushrooms......

Is theft wrong?

Not for Wall Street banksters, hedge fund managers or the donor/"job creator" class, no, as we see daily.

hedge fund managers

Same people that Chelsea Clinton Married?

For Clintons, a Hedge Fund in the Family

For Clintons, a Hedge Fund in the Family
By MATTHEW GOLDSTEIN and STEVE EDERMARCH 22, 2015

Bwaaaahhhhaaahhhhaaaa, boy are you libtards stupid....

Yes, like I say, your entire system is corrupt. You know it, that's why you rely upon the guilt/sin/blame game and have nothing but "oh yeah? well 'your' side is shittier than 'my' side, so there!".

And that is why the swamp is going to be drained... thank you for noticing how establishment liberals(R) and (D) have allowed this shit to happen..

Oh for fuck sake, you have more Goldman Sachs execs in the shyte house than ever, would have been the same with Hilary.

Power does whatever it is allowed to, the american people allowed this to happen and they are STILL not doing anything but blaming others for their own condition.

Trump’s Watered-Down Ethics Rules Let a Lobbyist Help… — ProPublica


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/...s-now-theyre-on-his-transition-team.html?_r=0


http://time.com/donald-trump-drain-swamp/


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7d93165c6d4_story.html?utm_term=.c6f6ade76246


https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...ry-lobbyist-to-hud-transition-team-1480453288


https://theintercept.com/2017/01/27/coal-doj-trump/


http://fortune.com/2016/11/16/trump-lobbyists-dc-establishment/



Another of Don’s Swamp Rats Bails …


... just before publication of this New Yorker article. Must be "fake" n shit.


Icahn’s role was novel. He would be an adviser with a formal title, but he would not receive a salary, and he would not be required to divest himself of any of his holdings, or to make any disclosures about potential conflicts of interest. “Carl Icahn will be advising the President in his individual capacity,” Trump’s transition team asserted.


In the months after the election, the stock price of CVR, Icahn’s refiner, nearly doubled—a surge that is difficult to explain without acknowledging the appointment of the company’s lead shareholder to a White House position. The rally meant a personal benefit for Icahn, at least on paper, of half a billion dollars. There was an expectation in the market—an expectation created, in part, by Icahn’s own remarks—that, with Trump in the White House and Icahn playing consigliere, the rules were about to change, and not just at the E.P.A. Icahn’s empire ranges across many economic sectors, from energy to pharmaceuticals to auto supplies to mining, and all of them are governed by the types of regulations about which he would now potentially be advising Trump.


Janet McCabe, who left the E.P.A. in January, and now works at the Environmental Law and Policy Center, told me, “I’m not naïve. People in business try to influence the government. But the job of the government is to serve the American people, not the specific business interests of the President’s friends. To think that you have somebody with that kind of agenda bending the President’s ear is troubling.”


Conflicts of interest have been a defining trait of the Trump Administration. The President has not only refused to release his tax returns; he has declined to divest from his companies, instead putting them in a trust managed by his children. Questions have emerged about the ongoing business ties of his daughter and son-in-law, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, who, since Trump took office, have reaped nearly two hundred million dollars from the Trump hotel in Washington, D.C., and from other investments. Although Trump promised to “drain the swamp,” he has assembled a Cabinet of ultra-rich Americans, including two billionaires: Betsy DeVos, the Secretary of Education, and Wilbur Ross, the Secretary of Commerce.


But Icahn is worth more than the Trump family and all the members of the Cabinet combined—and, with no constraint on his license to counsel the President on regulations that might help his businesses, he was poised to become much richer. Robert Weissman, who runs the watchdog group Public Citizen, told me, “This kind of self-enrichment and influence over decision-making by an individual mogul who is simultaneously inside and outside the Administration is unprecedented. In terms of corruption, there’s nothing like it. Maybe ever.” In conversations with me, financiers who have worked with Icahn described his appointment as a kind of corporate raid on Washington. One said, “It’s the cheapest takeover Carl’s ever done.”


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/28/carl-icahns-failed-raid-on-washington

 

[bodecea]

Almost everyone in prison was not attending church regularly when they committed their crime. Only a few rare exceptions of regular church goers are in prison.

You have the statistics on that? Are you counting white collar criminals?