Zone1 If Blacks Do What Whites Have Done We Will Be Successful

[braalian]

Maybe they don’t have to do what Whites have done, but whatever they *have* been doing sure as hell hasn’t been successful.

 

[IM2]

Huge difference.

It's an insignificant difference. It shatters your belief and you can't handle it.

 

[IM2]

Maybe they don’t have to do what Whites have done, but whatever they *have* been doing sure as hell hasn’t been successful.

What we have tried to do has been stalled by white racism. Now do you guys really want us to do what whites have done, because apparently you either have no clue or can't face it.

 

[braalian]

What we have tried to do has been stalled by white racism. Now do you guys really want us to do what whites have done, because apparently you either have no clue or can't face it.

Completely refusing to accept any personal responsibility isn’t going to help your people in the long run.

 

[IM2]

Completely refusing to accept any personal responsibility isn’t going to help your people in the long run.

That's what your people have done. That's why all of you beneficiaries of Apartheid are running around talking about how you aren't responsible because you were not alive but can't understand how such things have benefitted you along with the damage caused to us that you don't want to take the responsibility you have to fix.

 

[braalian]

That's what your people have done. That's why all of you beneficiaries of Apartheid are running around talking about how you aren't responsible because you were not alive but can't understand how such things have benefitted you along with the damage caused to us that you don't want to take the responsibility you have to fix.

So you’re saying there are zero aspects of modern Black culture that are holding them back?

Their glorification of gangster/drug dealer culture, or the acceptance of absent fathers has *nothing* to do with the situation a huge chunk of African Americans find themselves in?

 

[IM2]

So you’re saying there are zero aspects of modern Black culture that are holding them back?

Their glorification of gangster/drug dealer culture, or the acceptance of absent fathers has *nothing* to do with the situation a huge chunk of African Americans find themselves in?

That's what I am saying as a black person to a white dude who knows nothing about the black community but what he gets told by racists. Are the Sopranos black? Were the Corleones? And nobody accepts absent fathers. Whites control the manufacturing, distribution, and sales of drugs. Whites have legalized the 2 most addictive drugs there is, alcohol and tobacco.

“In 1965, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s report, The Negro Family: The Case for National Action, attributed racial inequality as well as poverty and crime in the black community to family structure, particularly the prevalence of families headed by single mothers. Not only did research at the time cast doubt on this causality, but evidence over the last the 50 years demonstrates that rates of child poverty, educational attainment, and crime do not track rates of single parenthood. Thus, even though the share of children living with a single mother rose for all racial and ethnic groups through the mid-1990s and has remained high since then, school completion and youth arrests for violent crimes have declined significantly, while poverty rates have fluctuated according to economic conditions. Family structure does not drive racial inequity, and racial inequity persists regardless of family structure.”
-Amy Traub, Laura Sullivan, Tatjana Meschede and Thomas Shapiro, DEMOS, “The Asset Value of Whiteness: Understanding the Racial Wealth Gap.”

So I will keep asking, "Do whites REALLY want blacks to do what whites have done?

 

[JoeB131]

Molly has been shown factual evidence of how various white women have benefitted more from AA than anyone else and still denies it to argue the nonsennse you read.

Except this funny thing. Most white women would be perfectly fine if AA ended tomorrow. They look at the Gender Studies major and say, "Get a life!"

Most Asian-Americans would be perfectly fine if AA ended tomorrow. Understandable, when you are rejecting high performing Asians to make spots for low performing blacks, that's a raw deal for them.

joeb,

Until you are black and live do not try lecturing me based on your being white with just an opinion. Especially when your opinion is unbalanced and refuses to do the research necessary to come forth with a better argument than "IM you're a a victim" because you are ignorant of American history.

Uh, dude, I have a degree in History.

If you what gets produced by CRT/African-American Studies, with your perpetual victimhood, maybe you are proving DeSantis has a point.

 

[JoeB131]

That's what I am saying as a black person to a white dude who knows nothing about the black community but what he gets told by racists. Are the Sopranos black? Were the Corleones? And nobody accepts absent fathers. Whites control the manufacturing, distribution, and sales of drugs. Whites have legalized the 2 most addictive drugs there is, alcohol and tobacco.

That's about the stupidest thing I've heard yet. It's kind of like saying that if you enjoy Star Wars, then you secretly want to be a Nazi Space Wizard like Darth Vader.

Nobody accepts absent fathers? Funny, ever watch episodes of Maury Povich's show? These people should be hiding their faces in shame, not going on national TV making spectacles of themselves.

“In 1965, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s report, The Negro Family: The Case for National Action, attributed racial inequality as well as poverty and crime in the black community to family structure, particularly the prevalence of families headed by single mothers. Not only did research at the time cast doubt on this causality, but evidence over the last the 50 years demonstrates that rates of child poverty, educational attainment, and crime do not track rates of single parenthood.

Dude, in 1965, the illegitimacy rate for blacks was 25%. Today it is at 72.5%. and this is WITH the legalization of contraception and abortion since then.

Now, yes the poverty and crime rates have gone down, because We've thrown insane amounts of money at the problem. you lock up 2 million people and put another 7 million on probation and parole, Crime will go down.

 

[multivita-man]

I refuse to be a victim, and I am all for violence. I was in the Violence business for 11 years. And I at the age where "life in prison" just isn't that much of a threat anymore.

You take something away from me I really care about, you can see how violent I can get. I just didn't care that much about the full time job with the nitwits to get violent about it. I just moved on to something better.

Considering the black scab was going to get the same well-deserved ass-kicking the white scab got, just not seeing it as a "racial" issue.

Dude, get help.

Your thinking is not healthy. It's not helping anyone around you but since you apparently don't care, fine, do it for yourself. We can't always control how we feel - I can rage with the best of 'em. But we can control how we respond to how we feel.

Get . help.

 

[JoeB131]

Dude, get help.

Your thinking is not healthy. It's not helping anyone around you but since you apparently don't care, fine, do it for yourself. We can't always control how we feel - I can rage with the best of 'em. But we can control how we respond to how we feel.

Get . help.

Stop being a snowflake.

They want to take things from me for "Restorative justice", they are going to need "reconstructive surgery".

I'm not a violent man by nature, but you push me too far, it's not going to go well.

Heck, I consider myself pretty progressive, but listening to people like you and IMAVICTIM2, I'm halfway tempted to vote for DeSantis in 2024.

 

[Godboy]

A plethora of data, studies, and societal ills indicate the U.S. has yet to achieve the point of racial equity, given the prevalence of major gaps in economic opportunity, education, income, housing, and wealth that run along racial fault lines.

If racial gaps for Blacks had been closed 20 years ago, U.S. GDP could have benefitted by an estimated $16 trillion. If we close gaps today, the equivalent add to the U.S. economy over the next five years could be $5 trillion of additional GDP, or an average add of 0.35 percentage points to U.S. GDP growth per year and 0.09 percentage points to global GDP growth per year.

 Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

 Improving access to housing credit might have added an additional 770,000 Black homeowners over the last 20 years, with combined sales and expenditures adding another $218 billion to GDP over that time.

 Facilitating increased access to higher education (college, graduate, and vocational schools) for Black students might have bolstered lifetime incomes that in aggregate sums to $90 to $113 billion.

 Providing fair and equitable lending to Black entrepreneurs might have resulted in the creation of an additional $13 trillion in business revenue over the last 20 years. This could have been used for investments in labor, technology, capital equipment, and structures and 6.1 million jobs might have been created per year.

 Closing the wage, housing, education, and business investment racial gaps can help narrow the wealth gap, which is significant for facilitating homeownership, business, and job creation, plus establishing a pipeline for intergenerational wealth accumulation.

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Well if you all stop robbing and murdering people, maybe your shit community will contribute their fair share. Until then its up to the rest of us to carry the weight for you and its fucking annoying.

 

[IM2]

Except this funny thing. Most white women would be perfectly fine if AA ended tomorrow. They look at the Gender Studies major and say, "Get a life!"

Most Asian-Americans would be perfectly fine if AA ended tomorrow. Understandable, when you are rejecting high performing Asians to make spots for low performing blacks, that's a raw deal for them.



Uh, dude, I have a degree in History.

If you what gets produced by CRT/African-American Studies, with your perpetual victimhood, maybe you are proving DeSantis has a point.

No Joe, most white women wouldn't. Nor would Asians. High performing Asians aren't getting rejected for low performing blacks.

This is the case coming before the Supreme Court. Let's look at the facts.

Asians are six percent of the American population, but they were 25.9 percent of the students entering Harvard in 2021. That is a full ten percentage points more than African Americans (15.9%) and more than double the percentage of both Hispanics (12.5%) and Native Americans (11%). In fact, there were more Asians admitted into Harvard than Hispanics and Native Americans combined.

Additionally:

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

Here, we see that lower performing WHITES are provided entry into Harvard by preferences they would not qualify for if not for connections they have due to their race. The study shows that white ALDC students who would not qualify under any other circumstance get accepted at more than double the percentage of Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans who meet the same criteria.

I don't know what history you say you studied but when you can't mention that blacks were denied union membership to argue that blacks were scabs, you must have studied the history of comic books. You are ignorant when it comes to this discussion. White men have got AA since 1776 and you did not get passed over for an AA hire. That's a lie told here and if it were true, you could have sued the company. I have hired people and have written company policy, it is illegal to discuss with employees why they got hired over another employee. So quit telling that lie.

The only perpetual victim here is you. And I did not take African American Studies. I graduated in Sociology. This is why I can say what I do here about the behavior of people like you. There is no black victimhood, that's something a bunch of whining whites made up because they can't dispute the truth we present.

 

[multivita-man]

Stop being a snowflake.

I'm not. If I don't get a job, I shrug my shoulders and move on to the next thing. I don't take my frustrations out on an entire class of people just because I speculate that I might have gotten stiffed by some hiring policy.

They want to take things from me for "Restorative justice", they are going to need "reconstructive surgery".

I'm not a violent man by nature, but you push me too far, it's not going to go well.

No offense man, but re-read this and think about what you're saying. Imagine a friend is writing this to you. I'm not calling you crazy - I'm not qualified to make that judgment. But I do think that any mental health specialist would point out that this is not healthy thinking. You say you're not a violent person by nature, but your natural default for handling grievances seems to be violent ideation. I'm just using your own words here, dude. You need to think in a more positive vein. I'm not saying you don't have a right to feel pissed - you have a right to feel however the hell you want - to a degree. But romanticizing violence, fantasizing about what you'd do under the wrong circumstances...like I said, consider getting some help. I don't mean that flippantly, either. There was a period a few years ago when I was probably in a similar state. Check it - check those feelings. Go take up boxing or MMA and kick some ass in the gym or something, but don't bottle it up like you're doing.

Heck, I consider myself pretty progressive, but listening to people like you and IMAVICTIM2, I'm halfway tempted to vote for DeSantis in 2024.

Your choice, but unless you're super wealthy, you're probably voting against your own interests. If you've got an extra yacht in a marina somewhere, a) how much do you charge for monthly rent (asking for a friend), and b) yeah, DeSantis is probably your guy.

 

[IM2]

Well if you all stop robbing and murdering people, maybe your shit community will contribute their fair share. Until then its up to the rest of us to carry the weight for you and its fucking annoying.

Whites commit more crime so...

 

[Godboy]

Molly, not every business was impacted by COVID the same way. Check the PPP money.

Are you saying that shitty neighborhoods produced shitty numbers during COVID? Absolutely no one is surprised by that.

 

[IM2]

Stop being a snowflake.

They want to take things from me for "Restorative justice", they are going to need "reconstructive surgery".

I'm not a violent man by nature, but you push me too far, it's not going to go well.

Heck, I consider myself pretty progressive, but listening to people like you and IMAVICTIM2, I'm halfway tempted to vote for DeSantis in 2024.

Joe, the case for reparations is against the government. You have bought into the race baiting because of your zero sum thinking. If we get reparations and you think you have the right to do damage, things won't end well for YOU. So you go vote for DeSantis, because what you think is not important. Because if you really did the research, you would see how stupid your argument really is.

 

[IM2]

That's about the stupidest thing I've heard yet. It's kind of like saying that if you enjoy Star Wars, then you secretly want to be a Nazi Space Wizard like Darth Vader.

Nobody accepts absent fathers? Funny, ever watch episodes of Maury Povich's show? These people should be hiding their faces in shame, not going on national TV making spectacles of themselves.



Dude, in 1965, the illegitimacy rate for blacks was 25%. Today it is at 72.5%. and this is WITH the legalization of contraception and abortion since then.

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Now, yes the poverty and crime rates have gone down, because We've thrown insane amounts of money at the problem. you lock up 2 million people and put another 7 million on probation and parole, Crime will go down.

IIlegitimacy doesn't have a thing to do with anything. It's a strawman whites like you use for an excuse. And don't trot out the Thomas Sowell to try arguing.

 

[IM2]

What we see here is classic white fragility.

The question has been asked, "Do whites really want us to do things the way they did it?"

Not the way some whites tell each other how they did it, but the actual way it was done.

 

[IM2]

I'm not. If I don't get a job, I shrug my shoulders and move on to the next thing. I don't take my frustrations out on an entire class of people just because I speculate that I might have gotten stiffed by some hiring policy.



No offense man, but re-read this and think about what you're saying. Imagine a friend is writing this to you. I'm not calling you crazy - I'm not qualified to make that judgment. But I do think that any mental health specialist would point out that this is not healthy thinking. You say you're not a violent person by nature, but your natural default for handling grievances seems to be violent ideation. I'm just using your own words here, dude. You need to think in a more positive vein. I'm not saying you don't have a right to feel pissed - you have a right to feel however the hell you want - to a degree. But romanticizing violence, fantasizing about what you'd do under the wrong circumstances...like I said, consider getting some help. I don't mean that flippantly, either. There was a period a few years ago when I was probably in a similar state. Check it - check those feelings. Go take up boxing or MMA and kick some ass in the gym or something, but don't bottle it up like you're doing.



Your choice, but unless you're super wealthy, you're probably voting against your own interests. If you've got an extra yacht in a marina somewhere, a) how much do you charge for monthly rent (asking for a friend), and b) yeah, DeSantis is probably your guy.

Joe is getting soundly beaten in his debates, so he lashes out.

Cognitive dissonance is not a good thing.