If "collusion" is such a crime, then why have Democrats cornered the market on it?

One of the dossiers claims that Michael Cohen and three other aides traveled to the Czech Republic to coordinate the "collusion" between the Trump campaign and Russian interests. It's one of the few claims that comes with stated dates and with named individuals. Michael Cohen has never visited the Czech Republic however and on the Stated Date he was attending a baseball game with his son in Southern California.
abu afak said:
LINK?
What was the "stated date"?

I don't see one.
I suspect you'll produce only a Claim or a Breitbart.

Sources: Mueller has Evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, Confirming part of dossier
BY PETER STONE AND GREG GORDON
April 13, 2018
Sources: Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, confirming part of dossier

The Justice Department special counsel has evidence that Donald Trump’s personal lawyer and confidant, Michael Cohen, secretly made a late-summer trip to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Confirmation of the trip would lend credence to a retired British spy’s report that Cohen strategized there with a powerful Kremlin figure about Russian meddling in the U.S. election.

It would also be one of the most significant developments thus far in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of whether the Trump campaign and the Kremlin worked together to help Trump win the White House. Undercutting Trump’s repeated pronouncements that “there is no evidence of collusion,” it also could ratchet up the stakes if the president tries, as he has intimated he might for months, to order Mueller’s firing.
...
Cohen has vehemently denied for months that he ever has been in Prague or colluded with Russia during the campaign. Neither he nor his lawyer responded to requests for comment for this story.

It’s unclear whether Mueller’s investigators also have evidence that Cohen actually met with a prominent Russian – purportedly Konstantin Kosachev, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin — in the Czech capital. Kosachev, who chairs the Foreign Affairs Committee of a body of the Russian legislature, the Federation Council, also has denied visiting Prague during 2016. Earlier this month, Kosachev was among 24 high-profile Russians hit with stiff U.S. sanctions in retaliation for Russia’s meddling.

But investigators have traced evidence that Cohen entered the Czech Republic through Germany, apparently during August or early September of 2016 as the ex-spy reported,
said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is confidential. He wouldn’t have needed a passport for such a trip, because both countries are in the so-called Schengen Area in which 26 nations operate with open borders. ...
Once again a claim is made by "anonymous sources" that Cohen entered the Czech Republic through Germany because he wouldn't have had to use his passport and therefore there would be no record of the trip. Kindly explain how Cohen got to Germany without using his passport? Or why there are no records of him taking any commercial flight or private jet to Europe? All you've done is "back up" a bull shit unsubstantiated claim with yet ANOTHER bullshit unsubstantiated claim!
Caught LYING again.

Where is the LINK for your "he was at a Baseball game with his son that DAY"?

You're way into DISHONESTY and Fabrication country.

You don't like "sources" but you haven't even produced a LINK with ANY source.
Your Source is what you pulled from your Asshole.


I have posted Links to back all of my claims, you LIE and post NONE.

You're a FRAUD.
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What is your evidence that the dossier is fake?

Ah, Steele's testimony in British court when he got sued for defamation? Until then he was claiming that the dossiers were based on insider information coming out of Russia and were factual. When his ass got dragged into court he changed his tune and stated that the dossiers were really just "scenarios" that MIGHT have happened and that he never intended them to be made public! (Which is pretty amusing since it was Steele who leaked the dossiers to five different media outlets!)
Parts to the dossier that have been investigated have checked out. Why would someone have a problem with the truth?

Parts of the dossier ARE factual. The problem however is that Steele interwove those true facts with shit that he flat out made up. It's what a con man does when he's trying to sell something. It's why when he was finally forced to testify under oath his story completely changed. He no longer stood behind his "dossiers". Now that he was facing lawsuits Steele claimed that they were never presented as fact but as scenarios that might have happened and that they were never supposed to be released to the public.

As I said before...that last claim doesn't pass the smell test because it's obvious to anyone with even a dollop of common sense that Steele didn't sell the dossiers to The New York Times, The Washington Post or to CNN as "scenarios"...he sold them as facts gleaned from his many confidential sources inside of the Kremlin! It's also obvious that if you're giving them to media outlets...THEN YOU WANT IT TO GO PUBLIC!!!
Actually Parts of the Dossier have been shown True, and there are verified Dates, Times, Meetings, people.
The Salacious parts would be difficult to confirm, and haven't been.
But NO part of the Dossier has been shown False.
.
And there is no Trump apologist who is going to show us otherwise.
You mean like the part that Putin has footage of Trump in a hotel room taking golden showers from spies who pretended to be hookers, was true?

Which basically is the main POINT of the dossier, and why it's called FAKE, that Putin has "shit" on Trump and holding him hostage to it.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.
 
Oh

Yet another "but...but...but" attempt by a dumbass Trumpette to give Trump's collusion cover.

It is one thing to work with Russia to accomplish something for the US that voters would like.

It is another to work with Russian hackers to spread misinformation in directed locations to win an election.

Yet no one has made a credible case that any votes were changed.
They sure have: The Election Was Stolen – Here’s How... - Greg Palast

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX_w2KK3i00



Analysis | This anti-voter-fraud program gets it wrong over 99 percent of the time. The GOP wants to take it nationwide.

ttps://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/new-cambridge-analytica-revelations-connect-trump-russia-dots-1250043459593?playlist=associated

There Are 868 Fewer Places to Vote in 2016 Because the Supreme Court Gutted the Voting Rights Act

Is this enough, or do you need more?

Well excuuuuse me! Did you forget about ACORN and all the PROVEN massive voter fraud and suppression that the corrupt, crooked Democratic party and their puppets in the media engage in, every single fuckin' election?
 
Then you admit he hasn't been charged with a crime, thank you.
Of course he hasn't, I didn't realize that was being disputed.

He's under investigation, which might or might not lead to charges. However your "snicker" comment seems to imply (and I apologize if I misinterpreted) a belief that the length of the investigation can be used to prove exoneration or lack of culpability, which isn't the case. Mueller was appointed Special Counsel in May 2017, and as of now his investigation is ongoing. Trump might be guilty or might not, he might be charged or might not. I have no idea.
Trump as president cannot get charged, the only way to remove a president is through impeachment.
 
You mean like the part that Putin has footage of Trump in a hotel room taking golden showers from spies who pretended to be hookers, was true?

Which basically is the main POINT of the dossier, and why it's called FAKE, that Putin has "shit" on Trump and holding him hostage to it.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.
No you MORON.
AGAIN..
It's many Meetings, Times, Dates, that have been confirmed, the salacious parts would be near impossible to, and are not crucial.
Tho No parts have been proven false.

Stick to Hyping in the M-E section.

You are too simple a partisan and 40 IQ points out of this debate Clown.
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Oh

Yet another "but...but...but" attempt by a dumbass Trumpette to give Trump's collusion cover.

It is one thing to work with Russia to accomplish something for the US that voters would like.

It is another to work with Russian hackers to spread misinformation in directed locations to win an election.

Yet no one has made a credible case that any votes were changed.
They sure have: The Election Was Stolen – Here’s How... - Greg Palast

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX_w2KK3i00



Analysis | This anti-voter-fraud program gets it wrong over 99 percent of the time. The GOP wants to take it nationwide.

ttps://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/new-cambridge-analytica-revelations-connect-trump-russia-dots-1250043459593?playlist=associated

There Are 868 Fewer Places to Vote in 2016 Because the Supreme Court Gutted the Voting Rights Act

Is this enough, or do you need more?

Well excuuuuse me! Did you forget about ACORN and all the PROVEN massive voter fraud and suppression that the corrupt, crooked Democratic party and their puppets in the media engage in, every single fuckin' election?

Can you provide the link proving there was massive voter fraud by the Democratic party please? if not, you are a liar.
 
Sounds like you guys have decided Trump colluded and you are trying to make it sound not so bad. Sad state we are in
Sounds like you have been watching too much CNN....
Sounds like you watch too muck Fox/Breitbart.
And why not, even according to Leftard fake news WAPO, FOX is the most trusted national news network, and second most trusted in the world.

New survey shows Fox News more trusted than MSNBC, CNN

Fox News is the most trusted national news channel. And it’s not that close.

Which is why it is continually rated the most watched:
Q1 2018 Ratings: Fox News Remains No. 1 on Cable Television

And now we go back to the regular programming found on most fake news outlefts: The Russians! The Russians!

Dang, they never get, do they?!
 
Then you admit he hasn't been charged with a crime, thank you.
Of course he hasn't, I didn't realize that was being disputed.

He's under investigation, which might or might not lead to charges. However your "snicker" comment seems to imply (and I apologize if I misinterpreted) a belief that the length of the investigation can be used to prove exoneration or lack of culpability, which isn't the case. Mueller was appointed Special Counsel in May 2017, and as of now his investigation is ongoing. Trump might be guilty or might not, he might be charged or might not. I have no idea.
Trump as president cannot get charged, the only way to remove a president is through impeachment.
He can be charged after he is impeached.
 
Oh

Yet another "but...but...but" attempt by a dumbass Trumpette to give Trump's collusion cover.

It is one thing to work with Russia to accomplish something for the US that voters would like.

It is another to work with Russian hackers to spread misinformation in directed locations to win an election.

Yet no one has made a credible case that any votes were changed.
They sure have: The Election Was Stolen – Here’s How... - Greg Palast

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX_w2KK3i00



Analysis | This anti-voter-fraud program gets it wrong over 99 percent of the time. The GOP wants to take it nationwide.

ttps://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/new-cambridge-analytica-revelations-connect-trump-russia-dots-1250043459593?playlist=associated

There Are 868 Fewer Places to Vote in 2016 Because the Supreme Court Gutted the Voting Rights Act

Is this enough, or do you need more?

Well excuuuuse me! Did you forget about ACORN and all the PROVEN massive voter fraud and suppression that the corrupt, crooked Democratic party and their puppets in the media engage in, every single fuckin' election?


There was no voter fraud with ACORN you stupid fuck.

There were a couple found guilty of voter registration fraud. None of those in question led to ny illegal voting.

You deserve Trump You are both dumber rthan shit.,
 
One of the dossiers claims that Michael Cohen and three other aides traveled to the Czech Republic to coordinate the "collusion" between the Trump campaign and Russian interests. It's one of the few claims that comes with stated dates and with named individuals. Michael Cohen has never visited the Czech Republic however and on the Stated Date he was attending a baseball game with his son in Southern California.
LINK?
What was the "stated date"?
I don't see one.
I suspect you'll produce only a Claim or a Breitbart.

Sources: Mueller has Evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, Confirming part of dossier
BY PETER STONE AND GREG GORDON
April 13, 2018
Sources: Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, confirming part of dossier

The Justice Department special counsel has evidence that Donald Trump’s personal lawyer and confidant, Michael Cohen, secretly made a late-summer trip to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Confirmation of the trip would lend credence to a retired British spy’s report that Cohen strategized there with a powerful Kremlin figure about Russian meddling in the U.S. election.

It would also be one of the most significant developments thus far in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of whether the Trump campaign and the Kremlin worked together to help Trump win the White House. Undercutting Trump’s repeated pronouncements that “there is no evidence of collusion,” it also could ratchet up the stakes if the president tries, as he has intimated he might for months, to order Mueller’s firing.
...
Cohen has vehemently denied for months that he ever has been in Prague or colluded with Russia during the campaign. Neither he nor his lawyer responded to requests for comment for this story.

It’s unclear whether Mueller’s investigators also have evidence that Cohen actually met with a prominent Russian – purportedly Konstantin Kosachev, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin — in the Czech capital. Kosachev, who chairs the Foreign Affairs Committee of a body of the Russian legislature, the Federation Council, also has denied visiting Prague during 2016. Earlier this month, Kosachev was among 24 high-profile Russians hit with stiff U.S. sanctions in retaliation for Russia’s meddling.

But investigators have traced evidence that Cohen entered the Czech Republic through Germany, apparently during August or early September of 2016 as the ex-spy reported,
said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is confidential. He wouldn’t have needed a passport for such a trip, because both countries are in the so-called Schengen Area in which 26 nations operate with open borders. ...

`
Cohen was very easily able to prove that wrong, no airline ticket, no entry / departure stamp, no airline tickets, and no evidence that his passport was ever scanned at any US ports.
 
Sounds like you guys have decided Trump colluded and you are trying to make it sound not so bad. Sad state we are in
Sounds like you have been watching too much CNN....
Sounds like you watch too muck Fox/Breitbart.
And why not, even according to Leftard fake news WAPO, FOX is the most trusted national news network, and second most trusted in the world.

New survey shows Fox News more trusted than MSNBC, CNN

Fox News is the most trusted national news channel. And it’s not that close.

Which is why it is continually rated the most watched:
Q1 2018 Ratings: Fox News Remains No. 1 on Cable Television

And now we go back to the regular programming found on most fake news outlefts: The Russians! The Russians!

Dang, they never get, do they?!
Because there are so many of you ignorant Trumpettes & who actually are sofa king stupid that you believeTrump & hisrantson Fake News.
 
If one reads the actual dossiers...it quickly becomes apparent that almost all of the allegations made in them supposedly come from anonymous contacts in the Russian government...which means none of it can be verified...which is EXACTLY what Steele and the Clinton campaign was looking for! They deliberately set up a smear on Donald Trump and wanted it to break right before the election.
If what is in the dossier matches up to our own intelligence, those are are verified pieces of evidence.
 
One of the dossiers claims that Michael Cohen and three other aides traveled to the Czech Republic to coordinate the "collusion" between the Trump campaign and Russian interests. It's one of the few claims that comes with stated dates and with named individuals. Michael Cohen has never visited the Czech Republic however and on the Stated Date he was attending a baseball game with his son in Southern California.
LINK?
What was the "stated date"?
I don't see one.
I suspect you'll produce only a Claim or a Breitbart.

Sources: Mueller has Evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, Confirming part of dossier
BY PETER STONE AND GREG GORDON
April 13, 2018
Sources: Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, confirming part of dossier

The Justice Department special counsel has evidence that Donald Trump’s personal lawyer and confidant, Michael Cohen, secretly made a late-summer trip to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Confirmation of the trip would lend credence to a retired British spy’s report that Cohen strategized there with a powerful Kremlin figure about Russian meddling in the U.S. election.

It would also be one of the most significant developments thus far in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of whether the Trump campaign and the Kremlin worked together to help Trump win the White House. Undercutting Trump’s repeated pronouncements that “there is no evidence of collusion,” it also could ratchet up the stakes if the president tries, as he has intimated he might for months, to order Mueller’s firing.
...
Cohen has vehemently denied for months that he ever has been in Prague or colluded with Russia during the campaign. Neither he nor his lawyer responded to requests for comment for this story.

It’s unclear whether Mueller’s investigators also have evidence that Cohen actually met with a prominent Russian – purportedly Konstantin Kosachev, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin — in the Czech capital. Kosachev, who chairs the Foreign Affairs Committee of a body of the Russian legislature, the Federation Council, also has denied visiting Prague during 2016. Earlier this month, Kosachev was among 24 high-profile Russians hit with stiff U.S. sanctions in retaliation for Russia’s meddling.

But investigators have traced evidence that Cohen entered the Czech Republic through Germany, apparently during August or early September of 2016 as the ex-spy reported,
said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is confidential. He wouldn’t have needed a passport for such a trip, because both countries are in the so-called Schengen Area in which 26 nations operate with open borders. ...

`
Cohen was very easily able to prove that wrong, no airline ticket, no entry / departure stamp, no airline tickets, and no evidence that his passport was ever scanned at any US ports.
Cohen denies it so it cant be true. yep
 
Oh

Yet another "but...but...but" attempt by a dumbass Trumpette to give Trump's collusion cover.

It is one thing to work with Russia to accomplish something for the US that voters would like.

It is another to work with Russian hackers to spread misinformation in directed locations to win an election.

Yet no one has made a credible case that any votes were changed.
They sure have: The Election Was Stolen – Here’s How... - Greg Palast

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX_w2KK3i00



Analysis | This anti-voter-fraud program gets it wrong over 99 percent of the time. The GOP wants to take it nationwide.

ttps://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/new-cambridge-analytica-revelations-connect-trump-russia-dots-1250043459593?playlist=associated

There Are 868 Fewer Places to Vote in 2016 Because the Supreme Court Gutted the Voting Rights Act

Is this enough, or do you need more?

Well excuuuuse me! Did you forget about ACORN and all the PROVEN massive voter fraud and suppression that the corrupt, crooked Democratic party and their puppets in the media engage in, every single fuckin' election?


There was no voter fraud with ACORN you stupid fuck.

There were a couple found guilty of voter registration fraud. None of those in question led to ny illegal voting.

You deserve Trump You are both dumber rthan shit.,

NO voter fraud?! Ha ha ha! You Leftards are quite an entertaining, delusional, yet mentally ill bunch!
Report: Is ACORN Intentionally Structured As a Criminal Enterprise? - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

18 Former ACORN Workers Have Been Convicted or Admitted Guilt in Election Fraud
 
If one reads the actual dossiers...it quickly becomes apparent that almost all of the allegations made in them supposedly come from anonymous contacts in the Russian government...which means none of it can be verified...which is EXACTLY what Steele and the Clinton campaign was looking for! They deliberately set up a smear on Donald Trump and wanted it to break right before the election.


No... it wasn't to smear Trump, it was to have information they could use to get FISA warrants from friendly Federal Judges who they knew wouldn't look closely at the sources of the information.... which is what we know to be true since they in fact, did not look at the sources of the info.
How do you know that?
This is Watergate X a million where you have the FBI and the Department of Justice lying to Federal Judges to get government warrants to spy on Trump ....
The Plumbers worked for the Nixon Campaign, they were not the government itself.
Can you prove the FBI and DOJ were lying?
 
One of the dossiers claims that Michael Cohen and three other aides traveled to the Czech Republic to coordinate the "collusion" between the Trump campaign and Russian interests. It's one of the few claims that comes with stated dates and with named individuals. Michael Cohen has never visited the Czech Republic however and on the Stated Date he was attending a baseball game with his son in Southern California.
LINK?
What was the "stated date"?
I don't see one.
I suspect you'll produce only a Claim or a Breitbart.

Sources: Mueller has Evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, Confirming part of dossier
BY PETER STONE AND GREG GORDON
April 13, 2018
Sources: Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, confirming part of dossier

The Justice Department special counsel has evidence that Donald Trump’s personal lawyer and confidant, Michael Cohen, secretly made a late-summer trip to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Confirmation of the trip would lend credence to a retired British spy’s report that Cohen strategized there with a powerful Kremlin figure about Russian meddling in the U.S. election.

It would also be one of the most significant developments thus far in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of whether the Trump campaign and the Kremlin worked together to help Trump win the White House. Undercutting Trump’s repeated pronouncements that “there is no evidence of collusion,” it also could ratchet up the stakes if the president tries, as he has intimated he might for months, to order Mueller’s firing.
...
Cohen has vehemently denied for months that he ever has been in Prague or colluded with Russia during the campaign. Neither he nor his lawyer responded to requests for comment for this story.

It’s unclear whether Mueller’s investigators also have evidence that Cohen actually met with a prominent Russian – purportedly Konstantin Kosachev, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin — in the Czech capital. Kosachev, who chairs the Foreign Affairs Committee of a body of the Russian legislature, the Federation Council, also has denied visiting Prague during 2016. Earlier this month, Kosachev was among 24 high-profile Russians hit with stiff U.S. sanctions in retaliation for Russia’s meddling.

But investigators have traced evidence that Cohen entered the Czech Republic through Germany, apparently during August or early September of 2016 as the ex-spy reported,
said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is confidential. He wouldn’t have needed a passport for such a trip, because both countries are in the so-called Schengen Area in which 26 nations operate with open borders. ...

`
Cohen was very easily able to prove that wrong, no airline ticket, no entry / departure stamp, no airline tickets, and no evidence that his passport was ever scanned at any US ports.
Cohen denies it so it cant be true. yep
They obviously did not believe Cohen, they double checked and found that story to be completely false.

Otherwise Mueller would have had him already indicted by now of lying, that's why Cohen's case was referred out of the Mueller investigation. They found nothing on him regarding Russia and Collusion.
 
You mean like the part that Putin has footage of Trump in a hotel room taking golden showers from spies who pretended to be hookers, was true?

Which basically is the main POINT of the dossier, and why it's called FAKE, that Putin has "shit" on Trump and holding him hostage to it.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.
No you MORON.
AGAIN..
It's many Meetings, Times, Dates, that have been confirmed, the salacious parts would be near impossible to, and are not crucial.
Tho No parts have been proven false.

Stick to Hyping in the M-E section.

You are too simple a partisan and 40 IQ points out of this debate Clown.
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What, that Trump was in Russia on a business trip and met with Russians? Wow, whoop dee do!
 
Sounds like you guys have decided Trump colluded and you are trying to make it sound not so bad. Sad state we are in
Sounds like you have been watching too much CNN....
Sounds like you watch too muck Fox/Breitbart.
And why not, even according to Leftard fake news WAPO, FOX is the most trusted national news network, and second most trusted in the world.

New survey shows Fox News more trusted than MSNBC, CNN

Fox News is the most trusted national news channel. And it’s not that close.

Which is why it is continually rated the most watched:
Q1 2018 Ratings: Fox News Remains No. 1 on Cable Television

And now we go back to the regular programming found on most fake news outlefts: The Russians! The Russians!

Dang, they never get, do they?!
Because there are so many of you ignorant Trumpettes & who actually are sofa king stupid that you believeTrump & hisrantson Fake News.
Right, most of the country including some Democrats that trust FOX overwhelmingly over fake news CNN and MSNBC are ignorant and irredeemable. This must be Hillary as posing as RealShmuckDave!
 
Hillary paid the KJB to create a fake Dossier?
Fake News.
So why should I believe any the rest of these links?
Hillary's campaign LEGALLY paid for LEGAL opposition research on Trump's business dealings in Russia. That's compared to having a private meeting with the highest ranking members of the Trump campaign and a handful of Russians proposing to "help" Trump win the election.

Likewise, parts of that dossier were clearly unverified, so why should I believe any of it? See how that works?
In a court of LAW, not the court of Liberal Opinion, in order to nullify a document or source all you need to do is prove that ONE claim or allegation in the said document is false or unsubstantiated. Period. Funny thing is Obama and the Dems took this criminally obtained document and used it to SPY on the Trump campaign. And yet, it is the Trump campaign that is the focus of collusion!

Why is it not surprising that the Left is willing to stomp on our constitution, (like it regularly does the flag and the anthem), and engage in fascistic police state tactics?
 
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So let's this straight, Hillary can collude and pay "legally" for a fake dossier created by the KJB in order to use it against her opponent, both before and after the election, but Don Jr. Can't meet with a Russian lawyer who says she has dirt in the Hillary campaign? Ha ha ha. Ya gotta love the Leftard logic!
Hillary PAID to have a foreign agent smear Donald Trump right before the election and hid what she was doing by going through a "cut out" law firm!
Hillary didn't pay any foreign agents and the information from the dossier was not used during the campaign.

Did the junior Trump use anything from the meeting with the Russian against Hillary in the campaign?
Irrelevant argument. Any attempt to defraud the U.S.in a presidential election with a foreign adversary is a crime. Whether you've got something or not.
Getting true opposition research (dirt) from a foreign source is not necessarily illegal. Having a meeting about the possibility of obtaining opposition research is definitely legal if the meeting turns out to have nothing to do with opposition research once it is held.
This is so unbelievably stupid and wrong. 18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

You people have got to start educating yourselves. Stop being stupid.
 

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