If God doesn't exist...

[Media_Truth]

Godly people wouldn't watch FOX News. FOX News lies! FOX News lies! FOX News lies! FOX News lies! FOX News lies! FOX News lies! FOX News lies! FOX News lies! FOX News lies! FOX News lies!

 

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I agree that Communism is potentially good,

I rest my case.

 

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More links?!?

Did you take the time to read them this time, to make sure they're not falsifying your argument? I sure ain't gonna click 'em anymore...

Of course I did. I wouldn't expect you to be able stomach reading them and even if you could I wouldn't expect you to comprehend them.

But your reply is EXACTLY what Christianity did. Minus the God part... Think Puritanism and Calvinism as easy examples. I'm not promoting Socialism either, it is equally bad due to coercing people to do bad things in the name of their "God" (god being government in Socialism). And Socialists killed millions of people due to their religion in the 20th century. Just showing you that Socialism is a religion, just as bad as Christianity.

Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind. You just can't be objective about it because you don't believe you can be wrong. Your righteous indignation was only made possible by the high standards established by Judea/Christianity. You are like the dog who bites the hand that feeds it. You are like the goat who believes the other pasture is greener. Path not taken. Grow up in India or China and see how you would have been treated.

But atheists are not Socialists! Geez...

Just because people are atheist/agnostic, does not make them part of mother Russia! You sound like McCarthy at his peak!

People that are atheist/agnostic simply haven't been fooled by the snake-oil salesmen that have tried to embed themselves into our psyche from birth.

We're rational people, looking at an irrational society of religious lemmings killing each other over supernatural beings, and wondering where this craziness is going to lead us...

And I don't see it leading anywhere "good" for humanity, as it stands right now. I think the Earth could definitely use an "intervention".

First of all, you are not agnostic. You are an atheist. Maybe a borderline militant atheist. Secondly, history and reason tells us the MILITANT atheism leads to communism.

lol, whatever you want to classify me as, I can tell you one thing... I understand the nature of goodness more than you ever will, while you're trapped in your fantasies of religious superiority.

No. You don't. Your morals are relative and can change. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure.

 

[Mudda]

Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind.

Greatest force for good??? The religion that promotes slavery, bigotry, racism, witch burnings, the crusades, the holy wars, the inquisition... I could go on. Christianity also homophobic, misogynistic, anti-scientific and anti-intellectual, it preys on the ignorant, the innocent. It encourages acceptance of truly bad things while focusing on imaginary evils. There is way to many more to list. I will acknowledge that Christianity has done some good things for some individuals but as a whole it has done more harm.

Yes, greatest force for good. Western Civilization was built upon the foundation of Christianity.

Christianity promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Christianity is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Christians and Christian institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions.Christians and Christian institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Christianity gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Christianity teaches accountability and responsibility. Christianity teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Christianity inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Christianity helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Christianity serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Christianity brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Christianity brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Christianity teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Christianity gave us America. Christianity gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

Christians dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan. Christians also destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan. And the Christian god let AIDS happen. Should I go on?

Sure, and they should not have rationalized that it was a good thing. What's your point?

You'll have to take that aids thingee up with God. Make sure to give Him an earful when you do.

Point is that Christians, like everyone else, are capable of the complete range of human actions, from the good to the bad, and aren't in any special category because of the belief in an invisible superbeing.

I'm for sure going to ask god why he gives little kids, or anyone really, cancer. Is it for fun, or is he simply a douchesack.

 

[Mudda]

I agree that Communism is potentially good,

I rest my case.

Religion is a communist system. One powerful person at the top, and everyone under them is a loser who needs to be saved by the system that they'll feed.

 

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Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind.

Greatest force for good??? The religion that promotes slavery, bigotry, racism, witch burnings, the crusades, the holy wars, the inquisition... I could go on. Christianity also homophobic, misogynistic, anti-scientific and anti-intellectual, it preys on the ignorant, the innocent. It encourages acceptance of truly bad things while focusing on imaginary evils. There is way to many more to list. I will acknowledge that Christianity has done some good things for some individuals but as a whole it has done more harm.

Yes, greatest force for good. Western Civilization was built upon the foundation of Christianity.

Christianity promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Christianity is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Christians and Christian institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions.Christians and Christian institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Christianity gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Christianity teaches accountability and responsibility. Christianity teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Christianity inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Christianity helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Christianity serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Christianity brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Christianity brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Christianity teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Christianity gave us America. Christianity gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

Christians dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan. Christians also destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan. And the Christian god let AIDS happen. Should I go on?

Sure, and they should not have rationalized that it was a good thing. What's your point?

You'll have to take that aids thingee up with God. Make sure to give Him an earful when you do.

Point is that Christians, like everyone else, are capable of the complete range of human actions, from the good to the bad, and aren't in any special category because of the belief in an invisible superbeing.

I'm for sure going to ask god why he gives little kids, or anyone really, cancer. Is it for fun, or is he simply a douchesack.

Yep, we are all broken human beings. Some more than others. You prove that on a daily basis. Not to worry His spirit is still inside of you pruning you. Be patient. It is a work in progress.

 

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I agree that Communism is potentially good,

I rest my case.

Religion is a communist system. One powerful person at the top, and everyone under them is a loser who needs to be saved by the system that they'll feed.

I'm sure you do see it that way.

 

[Mudda]

Greatest force for good??? The religion that promotes slavery, bigotry, racism, witch burnings, the crusades, the holy wars, the inquisition... I could go on. Christianity also homophobic, misogynistic, anti-scientific and anti-intellectual, it preys on the ignorant, the innocent. It encourages acceptance of truly bad things while focusing on imaginary evils. There is way to many more to list. I will acknowledge that Christianity has done some good things for some individuals but as a whole it has done more harm.

Yes, greatest force for good. Western Civilization was built upon the foundation of Christianity.

Christianity promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Christianity is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Christians and Christian institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions.Christians and Christian institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Christianity gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Christianity teaches accountability and responsibility. Christianity teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Christianity inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Christianity helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Christianity serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Christianity brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Christianity brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Christianity teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Christianity gave us America. Christianity gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

Christians dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan. Christians also destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan. And the Christian god let AIDS happen. Should I go on?

Sure, and they should not have rationalized that it was a good thing. What's your point?

You'll have to take that aids thingee up with God. Make sure to give Him an earful when you do.

Point is that Christians, like everyone else, are capable of the complete range of human actions, from the good to the bad, and aren't in any special category because of the belief in an invisible superbeing.

I'm for sure going to ask god why he gives little kids, or anyone really, cancer. Is it for fun, or is he simply a douchesack.

Yep, we are all broken human beings. Some more than others. You prove that on a daily basis. Not to worry His spirit is still inside of you pruning you. Be patient. It is a work in progress.

This must be how god wants me to be, otherwise he would have changed me/led me down a different path.

 

[Mudda]

I agree that Communism is potentially good,

I rest my case.

Religion is a communist system. One powerful person at the top, and everyone under them is a loser who needs to be saved by the system that they'll feed.

I'm sure you do see it that way.

That's what it is, the guy at the top tells you what and how to think. Otherwise, maybe you're not even a Catholic. Just a faker like all the rest.

 

[sealybobo]

Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind.

Greatest force for good??? The religion that promotes slavery, bigotry, racism, witch burnings, the crusades, the holy wars, the inquisition... I could go on. Christianity also homophobic, misogynistic, anti-scientific and anti-intellectual, it preys on the ignorant, the innocent. It encourages acceptance of truly bad things while focusing on imaginary evils. There is way to many more to list. I will acknowledge that Christianity has done some good things for some individuals but as a whole it has done more harm.

Yes, greatest force for good. Western Civilization was built upon the foundation of Christianity.

Christianity promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness.

This is not true. One needs to look no further than the Christians on this forum to see that this statement is completely false.

Christianity is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man.

Charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man have been around long before Christianity was around. Most of the biggest corrupt charitable organizations have been Christian ones.

Christians and Christian institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions.

Another lie. In fact when we look at countries with the highest literacy rates we see that the countries with large Christian influence are absent from the list.
25 Countries With The Highest Literacy Rates
Countries with the best healthcare and education for all and not just the rich show up on countries without Christian influence throughout every list polled.As for being the first source, this is misleading. We know Christian ministries will set up schools and shelters in third world countries but not without a price. People must convert to Christianity to usually get access to books, healthcare, clothing, toys and food in these instances.

Christians and Christian institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing.

I don't think you would want to list orphanages with all the history of abuse conducted by those Christian protectors of children. Supporting Cultural outreaches?? Are you kidding me? Like how Christians supported the native population by taking their children away from their parents and placing them in residential schools where isolation, humiliation , denigration and abuse were widespread.

Christianity gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility

Not one Christian gets their morality and civility form the bible. It comes from other influences. This I can prove. Other nations where other religions and non-religion have more influence usually have the same morality and civility.

Christianity teaches accountability and responsibility.

Again, these traits were around long before Christianity. Loot at the huge amount of Christians and Christian leaders that have shown zero accountability and responsibility.

Christianity teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Christianity inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Christianity helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Christianity serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Christianity brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Christianity brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Christianity teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Christianity gave us America. Christianity gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

Because of time constraints I will argue these points later. Off to work.

Atheism is correlated with better scientific literacy, lower poverty rates, higher literacy rates, higher average incomes, less violence, lower divorce rates, lower teen pregnancy rates, lower STD infection rates, lower crime rates and lower homicide rates.

Studies on happiness outside of predominantly religious countries (eg. the United States) find little to no correlation between happiness and religious belief. This corresponds with evidence which shows social and community bonding, rather than spiritual engagement, explains why religious people report greater satisfaction with life.

That hasn't been my observation on these boards and in life in general.

How come China never swallowed the Jesus story? Paul went to Greece and conned my ancestors. Why didn't like or John go con the Asians? Or did they try unsuccessfully?

We all know Asians are smart. Maybe they are too smart for the abrahamic religions

 

[sealybobo]

Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind.

Greatest force for good??? The religion that promotes slavery, bigotry, racism, witch burnings, the crusades, the holy wars, the inquisition... I could go on. Christianity also homophobic, misogynistic, anti-scientific and anti-intellectual, it preys on the ignorant, the innocent. It encourages acceptance of truly bad things while focusing on imaginary evils. There is way to many more to list. I will acknowledge that Christianity has done some good things for some individuals but as a whole it has done more harm.

Yes, greatest force for good. Western Civilization was built upon the foundation of Christianity.

Christianity promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness.

This is not true. One needs to look no further than the Christians on this forum to see that this statement is completely false.

Christianity is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man.

Charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man have been around long before Christianity was around. Most of the biggest corrupt charitable organizations have been Christian ones.

Christians and Christian institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions.

Another lie. In fact when we look at countries with the highest literacy rates we see that the countries with large Christian influence are absent from the list.
25 Countries With The Highest Literacy Rates
Countries with the best healthcare and education for all and not just the rich show up on countries without Christian influence throughout every list polled.As for being the first source, this is misleading. We know Christian ministries will set up schools and shelters in third world countries but not without a price. People must convert to Christianity to usually get access to books, healthcare, clothing, toys and food in these instances.

Christians and Christian institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing.

I don't think you would want to list orphanages with all the history of abuse conducted by those Christian protectors of children. Supporting Cultural outreaches?? Are you kidding me? Like how Christians supported the native population by taking their children away from their parents and placing them in residential schools where isolation, humiliation , denigration and abuse were widespread.

Christianity gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility

Not one Christian gets their morality and civility form the bible. It comes from other influences. This I can prove. Other nations where other religions and non-religion have more influence usually have the same morality and civility.

Christianity teaches accountability and responsibility.

Again, these traits were around long before Christianity. Loot at the huge amount of Christians and Christian leaders that have shown zero accountability and responsibility.

Christianity teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Christianity inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Christianity helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Christianity serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Christianity brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Christianity brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Christianity teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Christianity gave us America. Christianity gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

Because of time constraints I will argue these points later. Off to work.

Atheism is correlated with better scientific literacy, lower poverty rates, higher literacy rates, higher average incomes, less violence, lower divorce rates, lower teen pregnancy rates, lower STD infection rates, lower crime rates and lower homicide rates.

Studies on happiness outside of predominantly religious countries (eg. the United States) find little to no correlation between happiness and religious belief. This corresponds with evidence which shows social and community bonding, rather than spiritual engagement, explains why religious people report greater satisfaction with life.

That hasn't been my observation on these boards and in life in general.

Yea but remember you believe in invisible men who care about you and has a heaven waiting. I wouldn't trust your observation. Lol

And didn't someone just block you? Are Christians taught to be rude? Lol. PS. I think you are a great guy. I can't believe someone blocked you. You weren't being a dick. Id say you won that one. The guy got so frustrated be blocked you.

 

[sealybobo]

This is what I believe a world devoid religion would look like... Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality.

As I already said, Socialism is a religion that is very closely related to two Christian religions, one of which we have a holiday for, minus the "god". The goal of socialism is
to get to Communism, rather than Heaven. And of course, the goal is unattainable, but people are forced to strive and obey their rulers regardless, and the rulers keep making more money and power, while never letting the truth be known.

Socialism intentionally denies examination. In fact there is no formal defined dogma. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something noble and good, of equality, communal ownership, and justice: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. World socialism as a whole, and all the figures associated with it, are shrouded in legend; its contradictions are forgotten or concealed; it does not respond to arguments but continually ignores them--all this stems from the mist of irrationality that surrounds socialism and from its instinctive aversion to scientific analysis. Socialism dismisses its defeats and ignores its incongruities. The genesis of the first socialist doctrines were reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. Socialism is diametrically opposed between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity.

Socialism acts like a religion which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn -- A World Split Apart — Commencement Address Delivered At Harvard University, June 8, 1978

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

More links?!?

Did you take the time to read them this time, to make sure they're not falsifying your argument? I sure ain't gonna click 'em anymore...

But your reply is EXACTLY what Christianity did. Minus the God part... Think Puritanism and Calvinism as easy examples. I'm not promoting Socialism either, it is equally bad due to coercing people to do bad things in the name of their "God" (god being government in Socialism). And Socialists killed millions of people due to their religion in the 20th century. Just showing you that Socialism is a religion, just as bad as Christianity.

But atheists are not Socialists! Geez...

Just because people are atheist/agnostic, does not make them part of mother Russia! You sound like McCarthy at his peak!

People that are atheist/agnostic simply haven't been fooled by the snake-oil salesmen that have tried to embed themselves into our psyche from birth.

We're rational people, looking at an irrational society of religious lemmings killing each other over supernatural beings, and wondering where this craziness is going to lead us...

And I don't see it leading anywhere "good" for humanity, as it stands right now. I think the Earth could definitely use an "intervention".

Except believing socialism is bad I agree. Some things should be socialized.

Or properly regulated.

I agree that Communism is potentially good, though I don't know if humans can really live that way over a prolonged time. Socialism is the way that they told people is necessary in getting there, and they successfully fooled their followers into thinking that they will eventually get there. But the people won't.... Because the ones in power will never willingly give up their power and be a common person, which is what is necessary for Communism. Greed is too mighty to ignore.

Couldn't you say the same thing about capitalism?

 

[sealybobo]

More links?!?

Did you take the time to read them this time, to make sure they're not falsifying your argument? I sure ain't gonna click 'em anymore...

Of course I did. I wouldn't expect you to be able stomach reading them and even if you could I wouldn't expect you to comprehend them.

But your reply is EXACTLY what Christianity did. Minus the God part... Think Puritanism and Calvinism as easy examples. I'm not promoting Socialism either, it is equally bad due to coercing people to do bad things in the name of their "God" (god being government in Socialism). And Socialists killed millions of people due to their religion in the 20th century. Just showing you that Socialism is a religion, just as bad as Christianity.

Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind. You just can't be objective about it because you don't believe you can be wrong. Your righteous indignation was only made possible by the high standards established by Judea/Christianity. You are like the dog who bites the hand that feeds it. You are like the goat who believes the other pasture is greener. Path not taken. Grow up in India or China and see how you would have been treated.

But atheists are not Socialists! Geez...

Just because people are atheist/agnostic, does not make them part of mother Russia! You sound like McCarthy at his peak!

People that are atheist/agnostic simply haven't been fooled by the snake-oil salesmen that have tried to embed themselves into our psyche from birth.

We're rational people, looking at an irrational society of religious lemmings killing each other over supernatural beings, and wondering where this craziness is going to lead us...

And I don't see it leading anywhere "good" for humanity, as it stands right now. I think the Earth could definitely use an "intervention".

First of all, you are not agnostic. You are an atheist. Maybe a borderline militant atheist. Secondly, history and reason tells us the MILITANT atheism leads to communism.

lol, whatever you want to classify me as, I can tell you one thing... I understand the nature of goodness more than you ever will, while you're trapped in your fantasies of religious superiority.

No. You don't. Your morals are relative and can change. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure.

Yes I no longer think it's OK to burn witches alive

 

[BreezeWood]

More links?!?

Did you take the time to read them this time, to make sure they're not falsifying your argument? I sure ain't gonna click 'em anymore...

Of course I did. I wouldn't expect you to be able stomach reading them and even if you could I wouldn't expect you to comprehend them.

But your reply is EXACTLY what Christianity did. Minus the God part... Think Puritanism and Calvinism as easy examples. I'm not promoting Socialism either, it is equally bad due to coercing people to do bad things in the name of their "God" (god being government in Socialism). And Socialists killed millions of people due to their religion in the 20th century. Just showing you that Socialism is a religion, just as bad as Christianity.

Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind. You just can't be objective about it because you don't believe you can be wrong. Your righteous indignation was only made possible by the high standards established by Judea/Christianity. You are like the dog who bites the hand that feeds it. You are like the goat who believes the other pasture is greener. Path not taken. Grow up in India or China and see how you would have been treated.

But atheists are not Socialists! Geez...

Just because people are atheist/agnostic, does not make them part of mother Russia! You sound like McCarthy at his peak!

People that are atheist/agnostic simply haven't been fooled by the snake-oil salesmen that have tried to embed themselves into our psyche from birth.

We're rational people, looking at an irrational society of religious lemmings killing each other over supernatural beings, and wondering where this craziness is going to lead us...

And I don't see it leading anywhere "good" for humanity, as it stands right now. I think the Earth could definitely use an "intervention".

First of all, you are not agnostic. You are an atheist. Maybe a borderline militant atheist. Secondly, history and reason tells us the MILITANT atheism leads to communism.

lol, whatever you want to classify me as, I can tell you one thing... I understand the nature of goodness more than you ever will, while you're trapped in your fantasies of religious superiority.

No. You don't. Your morals are relative and can change. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure.

Yes I no longer think it's OK to burn witches alive

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Yes I no longer think it's OK to burn witches alive

what those who read the bible hate the most is a Free Spirit, whatever that is they hate it.

.

 

[sealybobo]

More links?!?

Did you take the time to read them this time, to make sure they're not falsifying your argument? I sure ain't gonna click 'em anymore...

Of course I did. I wouldn't expect you to be able stomach reading them and even if you could I wouldn't expect you to comprehend them.

But your reply is EXACTLY what Christianity did. Minus the God part... Think Puritanism and Calvinism as easy examples. I'm not promoting Socialism either, it is equally bad due to coercing people to do bad things in the name of their "God" (god being government in Socialism). And Socialists killed millions of people due to their religion in the 20th century. Just showing you that Socialism is a religion, just as bad as Christianity.

Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind. You just can't be objective about it because you don't believe you can be wrong. Your righteous indignation was only made possible by the high standards established by Judea/Christianity. You are like the dog who bites the hand that feeds it. You are like the goat who believes the other pasture is greener. Path not taken. Grow up in India or China and see how you would have been treated.

But atheists are not Socialists! Geez...

Just because people are atheist/agnostic, does not make them part of mother Russia! You sound like McCarthy at his peak!

People that are atheist/agnostic simply haven't been fooled by the snake-oil salesmen that have tried to embed themselves into our psyche from birth.

We're rational people, looking at an irrational society of religious lemmings killing each other over supernatural beings, and wondering where this craziness is going to lead us...

And I don't see it leading anywhere "good" for humanity, as it stands right now. I think the Earth could definitely use an "intervention".

First of all, you are not agnostic. You are an atheist. Maybe a borderline militant atheist. Secondly, history and reason tells us the MILITANT atheism leads to communism.

lol, whatever you want to classify me as, I can tell you one thing... I understand the nature of goodness more than you ever will, while you're trapped in your fantasies of religious superiority.

No. You don't. Your morals are relative and can change. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure.

Yes I no longer think it's OK to burn witches alive

.

Yes I no longer think it's OK to burn witches alive

what those who read the bible hate the most is a Free Spirit, whatever that is they hate it.

.

Ding is trying to say his morals are set in stone and mine are whatever makes us feel good at the moment.

I think that is wonderful. What's a problem now in our society today might not be a problem in our society 1000 years from now. Humans may evolve into creatures who don't mind us banging each other's wives. Or maybe we will be so oppressed you have to steal and lie to get by. Or maybe Sundays in the future will be the best day to work. I like a flexible society.

 

[ding]

Of course I did. I wouldn't expect you to be able stomach reading them and even if you could I wouldn't expect you to comprehend them.

Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind. You just can't be objective about it because you don't believe you can be wrong. Your righteous indignation was only made possible by the high standards established by Judea/Christianity. You are like the dog who bites the hand that feeds it. You are like the goat who believes the other pasture is greener. Path not taken. Grow up in India or China and see how you would have been treated.

First of all, you are not agnostic. You are an atheist. Maybe a borderline militant atheist. Secondly, history and reason tells us the MILITANT atheism leads to communism.

lol, whatever you want to classify me as, I can tell you one thing... I understand the nature of goodness more than you ever will, while you're trapped in your fantasies of religious superiority.

No. You don't. Your morals are relative and can change. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure.

Yes I no longer think it's OK to burn witches alive

.

Yes I no longer think it's OK to burn witches alive

what those who read the bible hate the most is a Free Spirit, whatever that is they hate it.

.

Ding is trying to say his morals are set in stone and mine are whatever makes us feel good at the moment.

I think that is wonderful. What's a problem now in our society today might not be a problem in our society 1000 years from now. Humans may evolve into creatures who don't mind us banging each other's wives. Or maybe we will be so oppressed you have to steal and lie to get by. Or maybe Sundays in the future will be the best day to work. I like a flexible society.

Human nature has not changed in 10,000 years. You are just setting yourself up for a predictable surprise. Not all behaviors lead to equal outcomes. You should know this.

 

[ding]

More links?!?

Did you take the time to read them this time, to make sure they're not falsifying your argument? I sure ain't gonna click 'em anymore...

Of course I did. I wouldn't expect you to be able stomach reading them and even if you could I wouldn't expect you to comprehend them.

But your reply is EXACTLY what Christianity did. Minus the God part... Think Puritanism and Calvinism as easy examples. I'm not promoting Socialism either, it is equally bad due to coercing people to do bad things in the name of their "God" (god being government in Socialism). And Socialists killed millions of people due to their religion in the 20th century. Just showing you that Socialism is a religion, just as bad as Christianity.

Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind. You just can't be objective about it because you don't believe you can be wrong. Your righteous indignation was only made possible by the high standards established by Judea/Christianity. You are like the dog who bites the hand that feeds it. You are like the goat who believes the other pasture is greener. Path not taken. Grow up in India or China and see how you would have been treated.

But atheists are not Socialists! Geez...

Just because people are atheist/agnostic, does not make them part of mother Russia! You sound like McCarthy at his peak!

People that are atheist/agnostic simply haven't been fooled by the snake-oil salesmen that have tried to embed themselves into our psyche from birth.

We're rational people, looking at an irrational society of religious lemmings killing each other over supernatural beings, and wondering where this craziness is going to lead us...

And I don't see it leading anywhere "good" for humanity, as it stands right now. I think the Earth could definitely use an "intervention".

First of all, you are not agnostic. You are an atheist. Maybe a borderline militant atheist. Secondly, history and reason tells us the MILITANT atheism leads to communism.

lol, whatever you want to classify me as, I can tell you one thing... I understand the nature of goodness more than you ever will, while you're trapped in your fantasies of religious superiority.

No. You don't. Your morals are relative and can change. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure.

Yes I no longer think it's OK to burn witches alive

.

Yes I no longer think it's OK to burn witches alive

what those who read the bible hate the most is a Free Spirit, whatever that is they hate it.

.

No go be a free spirit. Leave my spirit alone.

 

[ding]

More links?!?

Did you take the time to read them this time, to make sure they're not falsifying your argument? I sure ain't gonna click 'em anymore...

Of course I did. I wouldn't expect you to be able stomach reading them and even if you could I wouldn't expect you to comprehend them.

But your reply is EXACTLY what Christianity did. Minus the God part... Think Puritanism and Calvinism as easy examples. I'm not promoting Socialism either, it is equally bad due to coercing people to do bad things in the name of their "God" (god being government in Socialism). And Socialists killed millions of people due to their religion in the 20th century. Just showing you that Socialism is a religion, just as bad as Christianity.

Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind. You just can't be objective about it because you don't believe you can be wrong. Your righteous indignation was only made possible by the high standards established by Judea/Christianity. You are like the dog who bites the hand that feeds it. You are like the goat who believes the other pasture is greener. Path not taken. Grow up in India or China and see how you would have been treated.

But atheists are not Socialists! Geez...

Just because people are atheist/agnostic, does not make them part of mother Russia! You sound like McCarthy at his peak!

People that are atheist/agnostic simply haven't been fooled by the snake-oil salesmen that have tried to embed themselves into our psyche from birth.

We're rational people, looking at an irrational society of religious lemmings killing each other over supernatural beings, and wondering where this craziness is going to lead us...

And I don't see it leading anywhere "good" for humanity, as it stands right now. I think the Earth could definitely use an "intervention".

First of all, you are not agnostic. You are an atheist. Maybe a borderline militant atheist. Secondly, history and reason tells us the MILITANT atheism leads to communism.

lol, whatever you want to classify me as, I can tell you one thing... I understand the nature of goodness more than you ever will, while you're trapped in your fantasies of religious superiority.

No. You don't. Your morals are relative and can change. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure.

Yes I no longer think it's OK to burn witches alive

They stopped burning them because they realized that they were not witches.

 

[the_human_being]

More links?!?

Did you take the time to read them this time, to make sure they're not falsifying your argument? I sure ain't gonna click 'em anymore...

Of course I did. I wouldn't expect you to be able stomach reading them and even if you could I wouldn't expect you to comprehend them.

But your reply is EXACTLY what Christianity did. Minus the God part... Think Puritanism and Calvinism as easy examples. I'm not promoting Socialism either, it is equally bad due to coercing people to do bad things in the name of their "God" (god being government in Socialism). And Socialists killed millions of people due to their religion in the 20th century. Just showing you that Socialism is a religion, just as bad as Christianity.

Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind. You just can't be objective about it because you don't believe you can be wrong. Your righteous indignation was only made possible by the high standards established by Judea/Christianity. You are like the dog who bites the hand that feeds it. You are like the goat who believes the other pasture is greener. Path not taken. Grow up in India or China and see how you would have been treated.

But atheists are not Socialists! Geez...

Just because people are atheist/agnostic, does not make them part of mother Russia! You sound like McCarthy at his peak!

People that are atheist/agnostic simply haven't been fooled by the snake-oil salesmen that have tried to embed themselves into our psyche from birth.

We're rational people, looking at an irrational society of religious lemmings killing each other over supernatural beings, and wondering where this craziness is going to lead us...

And I don't see it leading anywhere "good" for humanity, as it stands right now. I think the Earth could definitely use an "intervention".

First of all, you are not agnostic. You are an atheist. Maybe a borderline militant atheist. Secondly, history and reason tells us the MILITANT atheism leads to communism.

lol, whatever you want to classify me as, I can tell you one thing... I understand the nature of goodness more than you ever will, while you're trapped in your fantasies of religious superiority.

No. You don't. Your morals are relative and can change. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure.

Yes I no longer think it's OK to burn witches alive

Liberals will soon be fair game though. In about 20 more days.

 

[sealybobo]

More links?!?

Did you take the time to read them this time, to make sure they're not falsifying your argument? I sure ain't gonna click 'em anymore...

Of course I did. I wouldn't expect you to be able stomach reading them and even if you could I wouldn't expect you to comprehend them.

But your reply is EXACTLY what Christianity did. Minus the God part... Think Puritanism and Calvinism as easy examples. I'm not promoting Socialism either, it is equally bad due to coercing people to do bad things in the name of their "God" (god being government in Socialism). And Socialists killed millions of people due to their religion in the 20th century. Just showing you that Socialism is a religion, just as bad as Christianity.

Don't be silly, Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind. You just can't be objective about it because you don't believe you can be wrong. Your righteous indignation was only made possible by the high standards established by Judea/Christianity. You are like the dog who bites the hand that feeds it. You are like the goat who believes the other pasture is greener. Path not taken. Grow up in India or China and see how you would have been treated.

But atheists are not Socialists! Geez...

Just because people are atheist/agnostic, does not make them part of mother Russia! You sound like McCarthy at his peak!

People that are atheist/agnostic simply haven't been fooled by the snake-oil salesmen that have tried to embed themselves into our psyche from birth.

We're rational people, looking at an irrational society of religious lemmings killing each other over supernatural beings, and wondering where this craziness is going to lead us...

And I don't see it leading anywhere "good" for humanity, as it stands right now. I think the Earth could definitely use an "intervention".

First of all, you are not agnostic. You are an atheist. Maybe a borderline militant atheist. Secondly, history and reason tells us the MILITANT atheism leads to communism.

lol, whatever you want to classify me as, I can tell you one thing... I understand the nature of goodness more than you ever will, while you're trapped in your fantasies of religious superiority.

No. You don't. Your morals are relative and can change. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure.

Yes I no longer think it's OK to burn witches alive

Liberals will soon be fair game though. In about 20 more days.

Haven't you heard I'm a Republican now?

Is Putin going to let the world know who sealybobo is thru wikileaks? Is Russia going to help you out us? Then I'm going to donate $5 to trump just to cover my bases.