If God Doesn’t Exist

[alang1216]

Glad you’ll have no problem with people you know being shot.

Sorry but I don't get the connection?

 

[esalla]

If God doesn’t exist, the universe came into existence by chance, the first living cell developed from non-living matter by chance, and all living things are the eventual product of the blind, undirected process of evolution. In such a case, human life is no more valuable than dust, and there is no basis for saying that any life matters. Only if there is an author of life who creates and imbues us with a meaning greater than our physical parts can lives actually matter, and in an equal way.

If God doesn’t exist, there’s also no objective standard for labeling an action—such as murder—wrong. If we’re all just the product of blind, purposeless forces, morality is just an opinion. Unless there is a higher-than-human moral authority, no one has a basis for claiming that murder is objectively wrong.

And finally, if God doesn’t exist, the concept of justice is meaningless because there can be no right or wrong in the first place to require justice. As C.S. Lewis famously said about his conversion to Christianity, “My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust?” Justice requires a standard, and there is no objective standard in a purposeless universe.

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No one has any clue what the Universe is or where it came from or where it is going

 

[Moonglow]

Was God immoral for killing 99% of all the humans on the Earth with the great flood?

 

[Moonglow]

No one has any clue what the Universe is or where it came from or where it is going

Exactly and the same goes for humans...

 

[Moonglow]

Was God immoral for killing the firstborn in Egypt even though they never sinned against God?

 

[esalla]

Exactly and the same goes for humans...

For all Earth life actually

 

[Disir]

If God doesn’t exist, there’s also no objective standard for labeling an action—such as murder—wrong. If we’re all just the product of blind, purposeless forces, morality is just an opinion. Unless there is a higher-than-human moral authority, no one has a basis for claiming that murder is objectively wrong.

And finally, if God doesn’t exist, the concept of justice is meaningless because there can be no right or wrong in the first place to require justice. As C.S. Lewis famously said about his conversion to Christianity, “My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust?” Justice requires a standard, and there is no objective standard in a purposeless universe.

That is incorrect.

Prior to the Abrahamic religions the oldest "laws" contained punishments for murder, theft, sleeping around, etc. simply because it makes for a good society.

 

[Weatherman2020]

That is incorrect.

Prior to the Abrahamic religions the oldest "laws" contained punishments for murder, theft, sleeping around, etc. simply because it makes for a good society.

As defined by their God. And other cultures slaughtered and raped as a hobby. Both were moral in their own eyes, because without a creator of morality, morality is subjective.

 

[Disir]

As defined by their God. And other cultures slaughtered and raped as a hobby. Both were moral in their own eyes, because without a creator of morality, morality is subjective.

Or not.

Toddlers don't need a deity to understand that when another kid takes their cookie or their toy that it sucks.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Or not.

Toddlers don't need a deity to understand that when another kid takes their cookie or their toy that it sucks.

And the same toddler will pick up a brick and bash the other kid over the head to get it back.
So what’s your point?

 

[BreezeWood]

If God doesn’t exist, the universe came into existence by chance, the first living cell developed from non-living matter by chance, and all living things are the eventual product of the blind, undirected process of evolution. In such a case, human life is no more valuable than dust, and there is no basis for saying that any life matters. Only if there is an author of life who creates and imbues us with a meaning greater than our physical parts can lives actually matter, and in an equal way.

If God doesn’t exist, there’s also no objective standard for labeling an action—such as murder—wrong. If we’re all just the product of blind, purposeless forces, morality is just an opinion. Unless there is a higher-than-human moral authority, no one has a basis for claiming that murder is objectively wrong.

And finally, if God doesn’t exist, the concept of justice is meaningless because there can be no right or wrong in the first place to require justice. As C.S. Lewis famously said about his conversion to Christianity, “My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust?” Justice requires a standard, and there is no objective standard in a purposeless universe.

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If God doesn’t exist, there’s also no objective standard for labeling an action—such as murder—wrong. If we’re all just the product of blind, purposeless forces, morality is just an opinion. Unless there is a higher-than-human moral authority, no one has a basis for claiming that murder is objectively wrong.

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you've not defined your god - christianity has been a murdering religion since the 4th century theirs certainly has not stopped them from whatever "objective standard" they are using.


the metaphysical forces need not be "higher than-human" simply understood and followed.

 

[BreezeWood]

Even if the universe came into being by probability wave, there is still a God. God is the original cause behind everything. If that cause was a probability wave, then that is God. Something caused that probability wave to exist, something created that there was a probability, and something created waves. That's God.

There is no escaping God only denying the personal aspect of Him. Athiests who deny the personal aspect and claim personality, love and intelligence came out of chance are merely accepting the Impersonal nature of God, even if they don't realize, accept or wish to say so.

If God doesn’t exist,

Even if the universe came into being by probability wave, there is still a God. God is the original cause behind everything. If that cause was a probability wave, then that is God. Something caused that probability wave to exist, something created that there was a probability, and something created waves. That's God.

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another one that implies without clarifying the "god" they are referencing.

 

[BreezeWood]

Was God immoral for killing 99% of all the humans on the Earth with the great flood?

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the metaphysical believed those 99% were immoral and failed to wait for weatherman 20 ...

 

[Disir]

And the same toddler will pick up a brick and bash the other kid over the head to get it back.
So what’s your point?

Laws make for a nice society and a deity isn't necessary.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Sorry but I don't get the connection?

I'm thinking you do. If not, sucks to be you

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Laws make for a nice society and a deity isn't necessary.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

Of course you know better

 

[Andylusion]

As sentient beings we know what's right and wrong, and it can differ based on religion, culture, etc. No God is required to acknowledge that hurting another human being is wrong.

We know what is right and what is wrong? You realize there are religions in this world, that believe it is acceptable and honorable to deceive and lie to people you hate.

Do you realize that slavery still exists in parts of the world today?

So when you say "we all know what is right and wrong" that statement itself is merely human opinion.

 

[alang1216]

I'm thinking you do. If not, sucks to be you

Neither is true. Sorry. Why would I have no problem with people I know being shot? God or no God, that makes no sense.

 

[buttercup]

As sentient beings we know what's right and wrong, and it can differ based on religion, culture, etc. No God is required to acknowledge that hurting another human being is wrong.

I heard a woooosh! as the point flew right over your head.

 

[toobfreak]

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another one that implies without clarifying the "god" they are referencing.

I could not have been more clear. There are 10,000 Gods. And only one.