IF higher taxes will create jobs, why did the stimulus fail?

[LibocalypseNow]

Not only did his "Stimulus" not create Jobs,it also cost the American People a $Trillion. Yikes!

 

[JRK]

Ok, imbecile, if education doesn't create wealth, why does anyone care that our foreign competitors might be doing a better job educating their young people.

Why do you care if DC has shitty schools if education doesn't create wealth?

Because education is a necessary but not sufficient condition to create wealth. Doubtless that's too subtle for your limited brain.
But Spoon is correct that the fedgov's involvement in education has made things worse, not better. Abolish the Dept of Education.

The original claim was that the government cannot create wealth. That would mean the the US public school system does not add any value to our economy.

That is daft.

Son the US govt cannot create wealth because it gets every dime it gets from us, the US tax payer
US govt destroys wealth,
Right now with Obama alone we are paying interest on 3-3.5 trillion in just 24 months
Thats the reason we have had enough
The reason Obama got elected is people do not understand how our system works

The tax payer, the evil rich people included pay every penny the US govt uses.
The wealth created from that was created by in part by that rich person, that oil company and me, not the US govt

Obama taking 70 billion + out of our wallets the way he did for GM and GMAC was wrong, thats why
GM does not deserve that wealth anymore than I do
It was not Obama's place to decide thats where it should have went

 

[The Rabbi]

Ok, imbecile, if education doesn't create wealth, why does anyone care that our foreign competitors might be doing a better job educating their young people.

Why do you care if DC has shitty schools if education doesn't create wealth?

Because education is a necessary but not sufficient condition to create wealth. Doubtless that's too subtle for your limited brain.
But Spoon is correct that the fedgov's involvement in education has made things worse, not better. Abolish the Dept of Education.

The original claim was that the government cannot create wealth. That would mean the the US public school system does not add any value to our economy.

That is daft.

You are a clueless moron of the first rank.
Government also sets standards of weights and measures, without which no one could do business.
But that isn't the same thing as creating wealth. It merely creates the conditions for people to prosper.
In the case of the Obama Stimulus, it did not create wealth at all. It merely siphoned off other people's wealth to give to its favorites

 

[JRK]

Ok, imbecile, if education doesn't create wealth, why does anyone care that our foreign competitors might be doing a better job educating their young people.

Why do you care if DC has shitty schools if education doesn't create wealth?

Because education is a necessary but not sufficient condition to create wealth. Doubtless that's too subtle for your limited brain.
But Spoon is correct that the fedgov's involvement in education has made things worse, not better. Abolish the Dept of Education.

The original claim was that the government cannot create wealth. That would mean the the US public school system does not add any value to our economy.

That is daft.

Sir/Mam
The Us government does not create anything
the tax payer does
The rich
the middle class
Exxon
those who put part of there wealth into the pot, helps create that welath
every penny of it

IT IS 100% OF THE REASON WHY THIS COUNTRY CAN ELECT AN OBAMA, NO DIS RESPECT BUT IT IS FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Maybe this current President could fire GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt as his "Jobs Czar" for a start? How much Taxes does GE pay? All of this President's sycophant followers should start with them first. Just a suggestion anyway.

 

[beowolfe]

I cannot put it any better

It’s official: Obama’s job stimulus program failed
TAGS: Examiner editorial failure job stimulus President Barack Obama unemployment rate
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By: Examiner Editorial 01/22/11 10:00 PM
Democrats have lambasted Republicans for years for believing in “Voodoo economics.” Well, the evidence is mounting that economic superstition is alive and well in the nation’s political circles, though it has nothing to do with a fondness for tax cuts.

It’s instead the crazy belief that the government can spend its way to prosperity for the rest of us. Analyzing this conclusion, the House Ways and Means Committee recently released a report titled “It’s Official: On Unemployment and Jobs, Democrats’ 2009 Stimulus Was a Huge Failure.”

The Ways and Means report provides a number of striking reminders about the predictions the White House made in January 2009 while urging the passage of their $814 billion Keynesian spending bill. By January 2011, the stimulus bill was supposed to have lowered the unemployment rate to 7 percent. It now stands at 9.4 percent, and the report notes that “the unemployment rate would be 11.3 percent if it included all the ‘invisible unemployed’ — American workers who have simply given up looking for work.” The report also said that the stimulus was supposed to create 3.7 million jobs by now, for a total of 137.6 million jobs in the American economy. Currently, there are 130.7 million jobs. Since the stimulus’ passage, 47 of the 50 states have lost jobs; overall, the private sector has seen 1.8 million jobs disappear.

Note as well that unemployment currently is slightly above what the White House predicted it would be if the Obama stimulus program was not passed as emergency legislation. Any honest assessment of the stimulus has to consider the possibility that flawed economics, kickbacks to unions and other Democratic special interests, corruption and an inefficient bureaucracy simply swallowed all the jobs for which those billions were supposed to pay. In fact, job creation exceeded the White House’s expectations in only one area: The District of Columbia created almost twice as many jobs as the White House anticipated. In other words, thanks to the stimulus, the only area growing new jobs is the federal government.



Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: It

1. The stimulus didn't fail. It did exactly what it was supposed to do. See CBO analysis.
2. The simulus didn't raise taxes.

You may want to get real facts, and quit using the GOP's 'good facts'.

 

[The Rabbi]

1. The stimulus didn't fail. It did exactly what it was supposed to do. See CBO analysis.
2. The simulus didn't raise taxes.

You may want to get real facts, and quit using the GOP's 'good facts'.

1) The stimulus failed, even according to the original promises made for it.
2) The stimulus will raise taxes down the road due to record high deficits.
The CBO analysis made an assumption that government spending in fact produces jobs. But that assumption is wrong.

 

[beowolfe]

1. The stimulus didn't fail. It did exactly what it was supposed to do. See CBO analysis.
2. The simulus didn't raise taxes.

You may want to get real facts, and quit using the GOP's 'good facts'.

1) The stimulus failed, even according to the original promises made for it.
2) The stimulus will raise taxes down the road due to record high deficits.
The CBO analysis made an assumption that government spending in fact produces jobs. But that assumption is wrong.

Exactly what promises are you referring to? HAHAHAHA...down the road? Heck, a lot of things MIGHT raise taxes down the road. The CBO analysis isn't making assumptions about anything. Their analysis currently looks back at actually what the stimulus accomplished and didn't accomplish.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Well let them raise Taxes on their perceived "Evil Americans" and lets see how many Jobs are created. I'll bet anything Jobs are lost and not created. Why don't they just do it and be done with it? They're certainly talking a good Game so lets see them back up their rhetoric. And lets hope they start with this President's good buddies GE. Last i checked,they don't pay any Taxes at all. So i say go for it. Lets see if raising taxes creates Jobs. I know it wont but apparently many Americans need to see it for themselves. So bring it on!

 

[The Rabbi]

1. The stimulus didn't fail. It did exactly what it was supposed to do. See CBO analysis.
2. The simulus didn't raise taxes.

You may want to get real facts, and quit using the GOP's 'good facts'.

1) The stimulus failed, even according to the original promises made for it.
2) The stimulus will raise taxes down the road due to record high deficits.
The CBO analysis made an assumption that government spending in fact produces jobs. But that assumption is wrong.

Exactly what promises are you referring to? HAHAHAHA...down the road? Heck, a lot of things MIGHT raise taxes down the road. The CBO analysis isn't making assumptions about anything. Their analysis currently looks back at actually what the stimulus accomplished and didn't accomplish.

Promises that Obama made when he sold this piece of shit.
Obama: Stimulus plan will cut power bills - Politics - White House - msnbc.com
The CBO relied on assumptions. That is unassailable except by people without a fucking clue. That means you, obviously.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/S...-analysis-confuses-assumption-with-conclusion
Raise taxes? Yes that's already in the works.
Obama's Budget: Almost $1 Trillion in New Taxes Over Next 10 yrs, Starting 2011 - Political Punch
Obama: Raise Taxes to Cut the Deficit - President Obama - Fox Nation

Looks like you've been pwned, s0n.

 

[beowolfe]

For all of you Fox viewers, and Limbaugh listeners.....

Congressional Budget Office - Economic Stimulus

Read what CBO says yourself.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Hey go ahead and raise Taxes. That wont create a single Job. In fact,many Jobs will likely be lost. But i guess many Americans don't believe this. So just do it and be done with it. Then the dolts will finally get it.

 

[The Rabbi]

For all of you Fox viewers, and Limbaugh listeners.....

Congressional Budget Office - Economic Stimulus

Read what CBO says yourself.

You should try reading it yourself, assuming you can actually read. Because it says explicitly on Oage 12 that they are making assumptions to arrive at the results.
Further, they also say earlier on that they rely on self-reporting from stimulus recipients.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Raising Taxes creates Jobs!! Yea ok! God,many Americans really are pretty damn stupid. The Socialist/Progressive nutters sure have hoodwinked quite a few Americans. It's actually very sad.

 

[JRK]

For all of you Fox viewers, and Limbaugh listeners.....

Congressional Budget Office - Economic Stimulus

Read what CBO says yourself.

You should try reading it yourself, assuming you can actually read. Because it says explicitly on Oage 12 that they are making assumptions to arrive at the results.
Further, they also say earlier on that they rely on self-reporting from stimulus recipients.

Thank you
The facts are we are 6 million jobs short of where we where 2008
I do not blame alot of that on Obama, ignoring Sectors we should be (been) opened up to, I do blame him, no recovery
we should be in a positive job growth. Going from 8.8% to 9 is not positive

The stimulus and his 1/2 of tarp was nothing more than a slush fund

 

[thereisnospoon]

So high school graduates and college graduates make more money than high school dropouts just by coincidence??

Holy fuck you're mentally handicapped. Don't reproduce please.

BTW, if all you conservatives agree with this moron and don't think he's shit filled imbecile, and you all believe that education doesn't create wealth, doesn't add any value...

...why do you want government vouchers to educate your kids?

EH? How about an answer for that one?

No, you have your mind made up and refuse to see logic even though it is right in front of you.
You stated that "education creates wealth"....
It does not. "Take the horse to the water".
It is the result of what one does with their education that creates wealth.

BTW, it was the Washington DC school district that offered tax breaks or school vouchers to allow inner city kids to go to better schools. Obama cancelled that program.
Most folks who support school vouchers are minority parents who are disgusted with shitty public schools that are riddled with disciplinary and crime problems.
Quite frankly I want government to leave education to the private sector. That's why I support charter schools. I think the US Dept of Education should cease to exist and all of it's employees permitted to seek work in the private sector. The federal government has no business meddling in the affairs of local school districts.\
Now if you want to get into a insult pissing contest you WILL LOSE. I will bury you. I advise you to take care in your tone.
This is a discussion. Not a bar room brawl.

Ok, imbecile, if education doesn't create wealth, why does anyone care that our foreign competitors might be doing a better job educating their young people.

Why do you care if DC has shitty schools if education doesn't create wealth?

Ok..you asked for it...
Empty headed licker of other people's backsides.
Oh I have a million of 'em. keep it up cat fucker. I'll have so filled with venom you'll throw your computer right out the 2X2 window of your mud encrusted single wide.

 

[8537]

He answered the question, dipshit.

Well, that was shortest trip to ignore on record. Welcome back!

He didn't answer the question.

Libs how can anything cost the government one penny?

By requiring payment for a good or service it purchased.

I cannot give a better example as to why anyone would elect Obama
The US government is a collection agency that only destroys wealth. It serves no function to create it

That would come as quite a surprise to the patent office and all the agencies that enforce property rights.

This is the very reason I know people like 8537 does not pay much in tax
They have no idea the impact taxes has on our society

I pay more in taxes than you make in income.

 

[snjmom]

If lower taxes will create jobs, why didn't we wipe out the deficit with the Bush cuts?

 

[The Rabbi]

If lower taxes will create jobs, why didn't we wipe out the deficit with the Bush cuts?

BEcause Democrats were in charge of Congress for thge last two years?

If the Bush tax cuts were so awful then why did the solidly Democratic Congress pass their extension, signed by the Democratic President?

 

[8537]

For all of you Fox viewers, and Limbaugh listeners.....

Congressional Budget Office - Economic Stimulus

Read what CBO says yourself.

You should try reading it yourself, assuming you can actually read. Because it says explicitly on Oage 12 that they are making assumptions to arrive at the results.
Further, they also say earlier on that they rely on self-reporting from stimulus recipients.

You'd prefer economic modeling without assumptions?