If Israel wanted peace, they wouldn't assassinate the people who could make it happen

[irosie91]

your best post so far Saigon-----not that I agree completely---
but you did not write anything that can be called "utter shit''
-----as is your usual custom

 

[proudveteran06]

Are you sure you aren't confusing Abbas with Arafat?

Last I heard, Arafat's AIDS infested body was in the ground. I hardly believe he's in any shape to " negotiate". Come to think of it... He never was

Actually Arafat was one of the great negotiators of his time. Ask anyone who every negotiated for or against him. He was a master.

Unfortunately he was also prone to making very poor choices, and was hampered by arrogance and corruption.

I haven't seen any evidence of this peace plan Orfert presented to Abbas yet - don't forget to post it, please.

Arafat was the" greatest negotiator" of his time? Is that why his "skills" failed so badly because he was insisting on " Right of Return?" Want posts? I already posted what Connie Rice said and what was offered if you know how to read. Now it's your turn.Post exactly what Arafat offered and I will post Olmerts offer. Bet you won't because you can't . All you Pro Palestinians are such great liars. Wouldn't know the truth if you fell on it .

 

[georgephillip]

No Money to be made in Peace, plus the ruling elite would lose the attraction of their protection rackett

Israel doesn't exist as a Jewish state without the US taxpayer picking up the tab.
Time for the "chosen" to choose independence?

 

[Billo_Really]

Wouldn't know the truth if you fell on it .

That's pretty funny coming from a guy who makes up his own.

 

[proudveteran06]

Wouldn't know the truth if you fell on it .

That's pretty funny coming from a guy who makes up his own.

Exactly what am I lying about? That the Israelis never offered anything? That Abbas really has been a " Partner in Peace?" lol You are the liars

 

[proudveteran06]

I meant Condi Rice. Sorry

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wouldn't know the truth if you fell on it .

That's pretty funny coming from a guy who makes up his own.

Exactly what am I lying about? That the Israelis never offered anything? That Abbas really has been a " Partner in Peace?" lol You are the liars

What does Israel have to offer besides some occupied land?

 

[Hossfly]

Israel doesn't want peace either, they aren't interested in it, so why do they demand the Palestinians to come to the negotiating table? The peace they want is a Palestinian surrender, which will not happen.

Israel's Lieberman says Palestinian peace accord impossible | Reuters

if israel truly wanted peace, they would free marwan barghouti.

“When we kill an Israeli man we have killed one soldier. When we kill an Israeli woman we have eliminated 5 potential Israeli soldiers. So women are our preferred military target.”
~~Marwan Barghouti - Time Magazine Interview

 

[proudveteran06]

That's pretty funny coming from a guy who makes up his own.

Exactly what am I lying about? That the Israelis never offered anything? That Abbas really has been a " Partner in Peace?" lol You are the liars

What does Israel have to offer besides some occupied land?

Read the prior post regarding Condi Rice and Israel's Concessions. Anyone can Google what Olmert offered if they were really interested in the facts. Ohhh... I forgot. I'm responding to the poster who keeps on talking about 1922

 

[proudveteran06]

The dream of a " Palestinian State" evaporating can only be placed on one person for not becoming a reality; Abbas. Keep asking one question and there is never an answer. What is Abbas doing to " negotiate". ??????

Whether or not there is a Palestinian state, is none of Israel's god-damn business!

We keep hearing about the " Two State Solution" which means that BOTH sides have to negotiate. Maybe you can explain to us why we keep hearing that word when the topic of renewing peace talks is brought up .
Try to read and understand English. So answer my question. You are not answering it because you cant. All Pro- Palestinians have are lies and more lies when confronted with the facts

 

[P F Tinmore]

Exactly what am I lying about? That the Israelis never offered anything? That Abbas really has been a " Partner in Peace?" lol You are the liars

What does Israel have to offer besides some occupied land?

Read the prior post regarding Condi Rice and Israel's Concessions. Anyone can Google what Olmert offered if they were really interested in the facts. Ohhh... I forgot. I'm responding to the poster who keeps on talking about 1922

Abbas was simply unprepared to accept any offer that did not allow for the “right of return.”

Abbas does not have the authority to give up someone else's rights.

 

[proudveteran06]

What does Israel have to offer besides some occupied land?

Read the prior post regarding Condi Rice and Israel's Concessions. Anyone can Google what Olmert offered if they were really interested in the facts. Ohhh... I forgot. I'm responding to the poster who keeps on talking about 1922

Abbas was simply unprepared to accept any offer that did not allow for the “right of return.”

Abbas does not have the authority to give up someone else's rights.

Lets see.....To " negotiate" Israel must accept the 67 Borders that the Arabs themselves have never accepted or respected, NJA in E. Jerusalem, " Right of Return" which would eventually make the Palestinians a majority within Israel which would eventually annex them to the Palestinian State! That is the Plan. So Israel has to make ALL the Concessions? Exactly what does Israel get out of it?
Maybe they should stop using that word " negotiate" then.
To " negotiate" it's understood that both sides have to make Concessions and it's understood that no one in life gets their way 100 %. To expect Israel to do that is not going to happen. Let Abbas keep insisting on it. Hope he does.


Of course we all know that you and your ilk see nothing wrong with this . Which is why " Right of Return" , 67 Borders is NOT going to happen


Abbas Makes It Official: All of Israel is Palestine

The Fatah party, headed by Abbas, has made official what it has been saying more quietly and adopts a new logo: All of Israel as Palestine.


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By Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
First Publish: 12/30/2012, 9:09 AM




Abbas with map of 'Palestine'Palestine' in background

Israel news photo: Flash 90



The Fatah party, headed by Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, has made official what it has been saying quietly and has adopted a new logo showing all of Israel as Palestine.

The logo marks the 48th anniversary of the founding of Fatah by Yasser Arafat and includes a map with the PA flag and a map of Israel that appears to be a depiction of the black and white checkered kefiyah, a symbol of the violent intifada, and the slogan “the state and victory."

Palestine Media Watch (PMW) revealed that the official PA daily published the new official logo.

For the past year, official PA documents have increasingly shown Palestine as covering all of Israel, but this is the first time the Fatah party has placed the map on its logo.

PMW noted, “Other symbols central to Fatah ideology also appear in the logo, including a rifle and a key symbolizing the Palestinian claim of ownership to houses within Israel.”

The Arab media watchdog translated and published the article announcing the new logo:

"Senior Fatah official in the Gaza Strip, Yahya Rabah, stressed that the movement this year will hold a big, central rally in the Gaza Strip on the day of the 48th anniversary of the beginning of the Palestinian revolution.

“Rabah explained to Ma'an that the event will be held considering the atmosphere of reconciliation and unity that has prevailed in the Palestinian arena in the last few….

“The organizing committee for the 48th anniversary of the Fatah movement approved this year's main anniversary logo... [The rally] will take place in Gaza to mark the 48th anniversary of the modern Palestinian revolution under the slogan 'the state and the victory.'"

The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) reacted to the new logo by urging “President Barack Obama, the European Union and the United Nations to condemn this outrage which reiterates the clear fact that Abbas and the Fatah/PA have no interest in peace with Israel, only its destruction.”


ZOA National President Morton A. Klein said, "This new Fatah logo graphically depicts the ugly truth about this unreconstructed terrorist organization whose Constitution to this day calls for the destruction of Israel (Article 13) and the use of terrorism as an essential element in the struggle to achieve this aim (Article 19). …It belies the fiction that Mahmoud Abbas is a 'moderate' who seeks peace with Israel, and who wishes to end Palestinian terrorism against Israeli Jews. It also makes clear that the principles of Yasser Arafat are respected and promoted.


"The new Fatah logo is not an aberration. The Palestinian Authority continues to promote the incitement of hatred in Palestinian mosques, schools and media.


"The ZOA renews its call upon the Obama Administration to stop wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on the unreformed terrorist entity that is Fatah, to stop making excuses for Abbas, and to stop pressuring Israel to make dangerous concessions on the altar of appeasement.”

 

[P F Tinmore]

Read the prior post regarding Condi Rice and Israel's Concessions. Anyone can Google what Olmert offered if they were really interested in the facts. Ohhh... I forgot. I'm responding to the poster who keeps on talking about 1922

Abbas was simply unprepared to accept any offer that did not allow for the “right of return.”

Abbas does not have the authority to give up someone else's rights.

Lets see.....To " negotiate" Israel must accept the 67 Borders that the Arabs themselves have never accepted or respected, NJA in E. Jerusalem, " Right of Return" which would eventually make the Palestinians a majority within Israel which would eventually annex them to the Palestinian State! That is the Plan. So Israel has to make ALL the Concessions? Exactly what does Israel get out of it?
Maybe they should stop using that word " negotiate" then.
To " negotiate" it's understood that both sides have to make Concessions and it's understood that no one in life gets their way 100 %. To expect Israel to do that is not going to happen. Let Abbas keep insisting on it. Hope he does.


Of course we all know that you and your ilk see nothing wrong with this . Which is why " Right of Return" , 67 Borders is NOT going to happen


Abbas Makes It Official: All of Israel is Palestine

The Fatah party, headed by Abbas, has made official what it has been saying more quietly and adopts a new logo: All of Israel as Palestine.


AAFont Size
By Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
First Publish: 12/30/2012, 9:09 AM




Abbas with map of 'Palestine'Palestine' in background

Israel news photo: Flash 90



The Fatah party, headed by Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, has made official what it has been saying quietly and has adopted a new logo showing all of Israel as Palestine.

The logo marks the 48th anniversary of the founding of Fatah by Yasser Arafat and includes a map with the PA flag and a map of Israel that appears to be a depiction of the black and white checkered kefiyah, a symbol of the violent intifada, and the slogan “the state and victory."

Palestine Media Watch (PMW) revealed that the official PA daily published the new official logo.

For the past year, official PA documents have increasingly shown Palestine as covering all of Israel, but this is the first time the Fatah party has placed the map on its logo.

PMW noted, “Other symbols central to Fatah ideology also appear in the logo, including a rifle and a key symbolizing the Palestinian claim of ownership to houses within Israel.”

The Arab media watchdog translated and published the article announcing the new logo:

"Senior Fatah official in the Gaza Strip, Yahya Rabah, stressed that the movement this year will hold a big, central rally in the Gaza Strip on the day of the 48th anniversary of the beginning of the Palestinian revolution.

“Rabah explained to Ma'an that the event will be held considering the atmosphere of reconciliation and unity that has prevailed in the Palestinian arena in the last few….

“The organizing committee for the 48th anniversary of the Fatah movement approved this year's main anniversary logo... [The rally] will take place in Gaza to mark the 48th anniversary of the modern Palestinian revolution under the slogan 'the state and the victory.'"

The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) reacted to the new logo by urging “President Barack Obama, the European Union and the United Nations to condemn this outrage which reiterates the clear fact that Abbas and the Fatah/PA have no interest in peace with Israel, only its destruction.”


ZOA National President Morton A. Klein said, "This new Fatah logo graphically depicts the ugly truth about this unreconstructed terrorist organization whose Constitution to this day calls for the destruction of Israel (Article 13) and the use of terrorism as an essential element in the struggle to achieve this aim (Article 19). …It belies the fiction that Mahmoud Abbas is a 'moderate' who seeks peace with Israel, and who wishes to end Palestinian terrorism against Israeli Jews. It also makes clear that the principles of Yasser Arafat are respected and promoted.


"The new Fatah logo is not an aberration. The Palestinian Authority continues to promote the incitement of hatred in Palestinian mosques, schools and media.


"The ZOA renews its call upon the Obama Administration to stop wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on the unreformed terrorist entity that is Fatah, to stop making excuses for Abbas, and to stop pressuring Israel to make dangerous concessions on the altar of appeasement.”

For the past year, official PA documents have increasingly shown Palestine as covering all of Israel, but this is the first time the Fatah party has placed the map on its logo.

That map is geographically correct.

 

[proudveteran06]

Two other words that I love are " peace talks" If it's honestly expected that Israel just concede to everything ( which they won't and never will ) maybe those words should be eliminated also.

 

[Hossfly]

Abbas does not have the authority to give up someone else's rights.

Lets see.....To " negotiate" Israel must accept the 67 Borders that the Arabs themselves have never accepted or respected, NJA in E. Jerusalem, " Right of Return" which would eventually make the Palestinians a majority within Israel which would eventually annex them to the Palestinian State! That is the Plan. So Israel has to make ALL the Concessions? Exactly what does Israel get out of it?
Maybe they should stop using that word " negotiate" then.
To " negotiate" it's understood that both sides have to make Concessions and it's understood that no one in life gets their way 100 %. To expect Israel to do that is not going to happen. Let Abbas keep insisting on it. Hope he does.


Of course we all know that you and your ilk see nothing wrong with this . Which is why " Right of Return" , 67 Borders is NOT going to happen


Abbas Makes It Official: All of Israel is Palestine

The Fatah party, headed by Abbas, has made official what it has been saying more quietly and adopts a new logo: All of Israel as Palestine.


AAFont Size
By Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
First Publish: 12/30/2012, 9:09 AM




Abbas with map of 'Palestine'Palestine' in background

Israel news photo: Flash 90



The Fatah party, headed by Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, has made official what it has been saying quietly and has adopted a new logo showing all of Israel as Palestine.

The logo marks the 48th anniversary of the founding of Fatah by Yasser Arafat and includes a map with the PA flag and a map of Israel that appears to be a depiction of the black and white checkered kefiyah, a symbol of the violent intifada, and the slogan “the state and victory."

Palestine Media Watch (PMW) revealed that the official PA daily published the new official logo.

For the past year, official PA documents have increasingly shown Palestine as covering all of Israel, but this is the first time the Fatah party has placed the map on its logo.

PMW noted, “Other symbols central to Fatah ideology also appear in the logo, including a rifle and a key symbolizing the Palestinian claim of ownership to houses within Israel.”

The Arab media watchdog translated and published the article announcing the new logo:

"Senior Fatah official in the Gaza Strip, Yahya Rabah, stressed that the movement this year will hold a big, central rally in the Gaza Strip on the day of the 48th anniversary of the beginning of the Palestinian revolution.

“Rabah explained to Ma'an that the event will be held considering the atmosphere of reconciliation and unity that has prevailed in the Palestinian arena in the last few….

“The organizing committee for the 48th anniversary of the Fatah movement approved this year's main anniversary logo... [The rally] will take place in Gaza to mark the 48th anniversary of the modern Palestinian revolution under the slogan 'the state and the victory.'"

The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) reacted to the new logo by urging “President Barack Obama, the European Union and the United Nations to condemn this outrage which reiterates the clear fact that Abbas and the Fatah/PA have no interest in peace with Israel, only its destruction.”


ZOA National President Morton A. Klein said, "This new Fatah logo graphically depicts the ugly truth about this unreconstructed terrorist organization whose Constitution to this day calls for the destruction of Israel (Article 13) and the use of terrorism as an essential element in the struggle to achieve this aim (Article 19). …It belies the fiction that Mahmoud Abbas is a 'moderate' who seeks peace with Israel, and who wishes to end Palestinian terrorism against Israeli Jews. It also makes clear that the principles of Yasser Arafat are respected and promoted.


"The new Fatah logo is not an aberration. The Palestinian Authority continues to promote the incitement of hatred in Palestinian mosques, schools and media.


"The ZOA renews its call upon the Obama Administration to stop wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on the unreformed terrorist entity that is Fatah, to stop making excuses for Abbas, and to stop pressuring Israel to make dangerous concessions on the altar of appeasement.”

For the past year, official PA documents have increasingly shown Palestine as covering all of Israel, but this is the first time the Fatah party has placed the map on its logo.

That map is geographically correct.

Of course it's location is correct. Did you think it was in Idaho?

 

[Hossfly]

What does Israel have to offer besides some occupied land?

Read the prior post regarding Condi Rice and Israel's Concessions. Anyone can Google what Olmert offered if they were really interested in the facts. Ohhh... I forgot. I'm responding to the poster who keeps on talking about 1922

Abbas was simply unprepared to accept any offer that did not allow for the “right of return.”

Abbas does not have the authority to give up someone else's rights.

Why don't you Tweet ol' Abu Mazen and tell him he's fired? That he ain't President anymore.

 

[Saigon]

Arafat was the" greatest negotiator" of his time? Is that why his "skills" failed so badly because he was insisting on " Right of Return?" Want posts? I already posted what Connie Rice said and what was offered if you know how to read. Now it's your turn.Post exactly what Arafat offered and I will post Olmerts offer. Bet you won't because you can't . All you Pro Palestinians are such great liars. Wouldn't know the truth if you fell on it .

I tend to avoid these discussions because I don't see much value in debating the topi with people who aren't particularly interested in it, but yes - Arafat is considered by very many people to have been a master negotiator.

That doesn't mean he always made good choices.

The only real offer on the table has been Clinton's at Camp David. Should Arafat have accepted it?

At the time I thought possibly not, but history tells us perhaps he should have. I understand why he decliend it, but in retrospect, that was probably a mistake.

Right of Return was not the key issue at Camp David.

 

[Saigon]

Two other words that I love are " peace talks" If it's honestly expected that Israel just concede to everything ( which they won't and never will ) maybe those words should be eliminated also.

Again, this simply has no basis in reality. I don't know where you are getting your info from, but it is not a great source.

The basis of any settlement have always seen Palestinians give up huge tracts of land, acknolwedge Israel's right to peace, abandon violent resistance, and probably give up any control over their borders, ports and airspace.

 

[irosie91]

Learn a bit of reality and HISTORY----"peace" in islamic parlance means surrender to
islam. That means either convert to the filth----or----if you are either a christian or
a jew----you may have the honor of simply being subjugated to oppressive and brutal
islamic rule ------including legal rape of your wives and confiscation of your children---
and ---the honor of paying trubute to the dogs of mecca. Keep in mind---the rape of
Sudanese christian women---the murder of their husbands and the enslavment of their
children is LEGAL under shariah law. The Armenian genocide was legal under
shariah law-------just as the genocide of jews was legal according to the
nuremburg laws "peace" is "DAR AL ISLAM" but lets not blame the
muslims----the ROMANS INVENTED the idea-----PAX ROMANA <<<the origin
of western fascism

 

[proudveteran06]

Last I heard, Arafat's AIDS infested body was in the ground. I hardly believe he's in any shape to " negotiate". Come to think of it... He never was

Actually Arafat was one of the great negotiators of his time. Ask anyone who every negotiated for or against him. He was a master.

Unfortunately he was also prone to making very poor choices, and was hampered by arrogance and corruption.

I haven't seen any evidence of this peace plan Orfert presented to Abbas yet - don't forget to post it, please.

Arafat was the" greatest negotiator" of his time? Is that why his "skills" failed so badly because he was insisting on " Right of Return?" Want posts? I already posted what Connie Rice said and what was offered if you know how to read. Now it's your turn.Post exactly what Arafat offered and I will post Olmerts offer. Bet you won't because you can't . All you Pro Palestinians are such great liars. Wouldn't know the truth if you fell on it .

Arafat was the" greatest negotiator" of his time? Is that why his "skills" failed so badly because he was insisting on " Right of Return?" Want posts? I already posted what Connie Rice said and what was offered if you know how to read. Now it's your turn.Post exactly what Arafat offered and I will post Olmerts offer. Bet you won't because you can't . All you Pro Palestinians are such great liars. Wouldn't know the truth if you fell on it .

I tend to avoid these discussions because I don't see much value in debating the topi with people who aren't particularly interested in it, but yes - Arafat is considered by very many people to have been a master negotiator.

That doesn't mean he always made good choices.

The only real offer on the table has been Clinton's at Camp David. Should Arafat have accepted it?

At the time I thought possibly not, but history tells us perhaps he should have. I understand why he decliend it, but in retrospect, that was probably a mistake.

Right of Return was not the key issue at Camp David.

You claim that he was a great "negotiator" so I am asking you for your source. You like to avoid because you can't answer