If Presidents are above the law

[Donald H]

Didnt a load of team trump go to jail over that ?

Yes, but is the one criminal they call their 'president' completely immune from the powers of the law?

And if not then has he already been able to own the joke they call their scotus?

Regardless, all the more power to Trump destroying Biden! Biden is more likely able to lead our world into nuclear war.

 

[Donald H]

The American system seems to rely on the Prez being a "good chap". We had that until Johnson. Then we found the system did not protect us from a bad man.
Similar to the US.

It's been widely known even since Johnson, Nixon, and the assassination of Kennedy. Nothing can stop a U.S. president.

 

[Donald H]

The American system seems to rely on the Prez being a "good chap". We had that until Johnson. Then we found the system did not protect us from a bad man.
Similar to the US.

You still maintained some mechanisms within government to get rid of Boris. Your point with this topic is that Americans don't have any answer.

Impeachment is nothing but a joke and can't possibly end in conviction of a criminal president.

They're doomed to having to live with what they've created.

Are they not already cheerleading the murder of their political opponents?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You still maintained some mechanisms within government to get rid of Boris. Your point with this topic is that Americans don't have any answer.

Impeachment is nothing but a joke and can't possibly end in conviction of a criminal president.

They're doomed to having to live with what they've created.

Are they not already cheerleading the murder of their political opponents?

Its all devalued.
I remember watching a congressman on his phone during the hearing. he could have phoned his vote in.

I think it was actually Jordan..

Johnson was only brought down because his team decided they were sick of lying for him and some videos got leaked. Otherwise he would still be there.

Pretty much nothing else stopped him. The regulator doesnt report to parliament. he reports to the PM and is appointed by him. Again it all comes down to the "good bloke"principle.

I dont have a solution but we need something better.

Remember trump got away with a shitload of stuff before he staged his insurrection. The system doesnt work.

 

[Pellinore]

Why are the GOP pursuing Biden ?

It sems to be a waste of time. They could be telling us about their exciting policies.

It's good to ask questions of the American system. I think there are aspects that we've always known that an outside observer might not.

Unlike in your Parliamentary system, in our Presidential system, the Chief Executive is separate from the legislature, meaning among other things he's not part of a group who can remove him. Realizing that, plus the fact that he does not operate in the name of a monarch, the Founding Fathers debated what to do if a President commits a crime. The answer they had was impeachment.

Impeachment isn't a legal process, it is a political one. In our legal system, a Grand Jury of 25 people decides if there is enough evidence for a full case; for the President, the 435-member House of Representatives decides this as their "impeachment." The trial is held by the 100-member Senate, with the Chief Justice acting as judge, but instead of deciding guilty or not guilty, they decide whether or not to remove him from office.

Because he is under no risk of imprisonment or anything worse than losing his job, he can't claim any of his 4th, 5th, 6th, or 8th Amendment Constitutional rights; it's all purely political, governed only by House and Senate rules. He doesn't even need to have committed a Criminal Code offense; for example, Nixon and Trump were both charged with "abuse of power," which isn't an actual crime. The Constitution specifies that impeachment is for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors," but it didn't define what that included specifically; it's basically entirely up to the House.

Impeachment also applies to federal judges and members of the Cabinet, and over the years more than a dozen have been impeached. Of the Presidents, Andrew Johnson was impeached in the 1860s, then Bill Clinton in the 1990s, then Donald Trump twice. (The House wrote up Articles of Impeachment for Richard Nixon in the 1970s, but he saw the writing on the wall and resigned before the House could vote.) The decisions to remove in the Senate were right down party lines for Johnson and Clinton, but Trump got a few of his own party to vote for his removal.

The Constitution doesn't outright say "The President can't be arrested," but we've operated under that assumption ever since. In essence, that means the President can't be arrested ... under federal charges. Because we are fifty separate political states operating together rather than one big monolith split into fifty parts, the States can theoretically bring their own charges against a President, though in practice I think that wouldn't be pursued, for national security if nothing else.

All of that boils down to this: The President can't be arrested, but he can be politically impeached. That would sidestep all of the burdens of proof and standards of procedure that the pro-Trump wing has not had much luck meeting. It would also be a black mark against Biden even if he wasn't removed, and being able to say "See? Biden is no better!" would give the pro-Trumpers reason to diminish the sting of Trump's own impeachments. So it's an obvious political target, but that's what it is: a political thing.

It's not a perfect system.

 

[PeterPilot]

They are not above the law.

In theory only. In practice the bulk of politicians and appointed bureaucrats are very much above the law.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

If Presidents are above the law…
Why are the GOP pursuing Biden ?

If pigs have wings, then why don't they fly?

If you have two intact legs, then why aren't you running marathons?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You liberals just want to deny us the opportunity to put Trump back in the White House.

And the one-legged British faggot doesn't have any standing with regard to this, anyway. He's British, not American. Our ancestors fought and won two wars against his ancestors, to establish once and for all that how we Americans run our country is none of his fucking business.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

America's fanding fouthers were looking for something short of the powers of royalty, and they chode to name it a 'president' Tommy.
But since Trump has appeared, Americans have discovered that the socalled 'president''s power even actually exceeds the bounds of royalty. Especially as other nations have moved on and stripped their royalty of all powers that aren't just symbolic and ceremonial.

Leaving America as the odd man out with a president that is all powerful in the ways you describe and more.

Yes, a US pesident could indeed shoot a political enemy dead and then be blessed with the power to escape any punishment.

At least we know that other monarchacies still hold power over their monarches to cause his head to roll!

America apparently has no stopgap measures to stop a rampaging mentally ill president.

They've in fact created a figurehead that could easily accomodate the ilk of George III.

And as a subject/slave of Canaduh, your opinions with regard to American governance are almost as irrelevant as those of the one-legged British faggot.

 

[presonorek]

Why are the GOP pursuing Biden ?

It sems to be a waste of time. They could be telling us about their exciting policies.

Agreed

 

[presonorek]

They are not above the law.

Yes they are. Would you like to make bets? I’ll bet $1,000 nothing will happen to Biden or Trump between now and November 5, 2028 that prevents them from being elected president.

Wanna bet?

 

[presonorek]

4 years of dems attacking Trump on made up bullshit and you wanna whine about the real charges against Biden? You are definitely a moron.

Neither the charges against Biden or Trump mean anything. It’s just pandering. None of it matters.

 

[Rigby5]

You are wrong. Every day I am being told that you cant prosecute an ex Prez. How can an ex Prez have more protection than the Prez ?

Wrong.
You can prosecute an ex-pres for breaking laws that harm people.
You can NOT prosecute an ex-pres for breaking any presidential executive order on classified docs.
You can NOT prosecute an ex-pres for puffery on a loan application where exaggeration is expected and legal, and there is no one harmed.
You can NOT prosecute an ex-pres for claims about "fake electors" when that is not at all possible, since legislators know who the electors are and how they have to vote.

 

[Rigby5]

The American system seems to rely on the Prez being a "good chap". We had that until Johnson. Then we found the system did not protect us from a bad man.
Similar to the US.

Wrong.
The correct means of dealing with a bad pres is through the DOJ and congressional impeachments.
And obviously the problem is that Congress now is even more corrupt than Trump is.

 

[Rigby5]

Didnt a load of team trump go to jail over that ?

Yes they did go to jail, but not for committing a crime, but for being unwilling to say what congress wanted them to say, so they were prosecuted for lying.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes they are. Would you like to make bets? I’ll bet $1,000 nothing will happen to Biden or Trump between now and November 5, 2028 that prevents them from being elected president.

Wanna bet?

Trump has already been prevented from campaigning.
The trials not only take time, but millions.
And in fact, even the Jean Carroll case was obvious prejudice, since she admitted she volunteered to model lingerie naked.

 

[Rigby5]

If I was cynical I would suggest it was retaliation. They dont seem to have any proof of anything.

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According to a banking record subpoena, the Biden family received at least 20 million dollars in unexplained wires from foreign nationals. The payments went to nine family members, including two of Joe Biden’s grandchildren. However, this isn’t the whole story. Republicans predict that the Bidens actually received more than 50 million dollars 1
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MSN

 

[presonorek]

Trump has already been prevented from campaigning.
The trials not only take time, but millions.
And in fact, even the Jean Carroll case was obvious prejudice, since she admitted she volunteered to model lingerie naked.

So we can bet now and you easily win $1,000?

 

[Libby von H]

Why are the GOP pursuing Biden ?

It sems to be a waste of time. They could be telling us about their exciting policies.

If it is a waste why are you not talking about something positive.

 

[presonorek]

If it is a waste why are you not talking about something positive.
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