If Ted Cruz Was Born in Canada, He Cannot Be President: PERIOD

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You really think that the GOP lawyers haven't vetted Cruz????
You think the GOP lawyers didn't bother to vett Cruz?
That's right you fucking moron! The GOP wants one of it's front runners ,like him or not, to suddenly be exposed as ineligible after the first Primaries. Oh ya that really going to help the GOP right? What are you like twelve? THINKKKKK!

You really think that you citing yourself is 'GOP lawyers?'

Ah, shit stain. You're adorable. But you're still gonna need to SHOW us that he was vetted. Not tell us about it. And of course, you're offering us a generic 'Appeal to Authority' fallacy.

Try again, dipshit. This time WITH evidence and WITHOUT the fallacies.

When anyone comes forward with any facts which disqualifies Cruz from running let us all know OK?

Wait....you're suddenly interested in facts?

Well then lets discuss history. Natural born citizenship didn't include citizenship by blood at the time the constitution was ratified. But only citizenship by soil: the location of your birth.

Citizenship by blood isn't embodied in the constitution. Its granted by statute. So is citizenship that's not embodied in the constitution but instead granted by statute 'natural born citizenship'?

It depends on how you interpret the constitution.

How about the part of the Constitution that says Congress can set the rules for citizenship?

Oops! That blew your whole argument! I'm sorry!

Except of course, that it doesn't. As the term 'natural born citizen' isn't located anywhere in the United States Code. Nor is anyone arguing that Cruz isn't a citizen.

Do try and keep up.

Exactly! There are two ways to gain citizenship! If he wasn't naturalized, then he is a natural born citizen.

Do try and keep up!

 

[Syriusly]

You really think that you citing yourself is 'GOP lawyers?'

Ah, shit stain. You're adorable. But you're still gonna need to SHOW us that he was vetted. Not tell us about it. And of course, you're offering us a generic 'Appeal to Authority' fallacy.

Try again, dipshit. This time WITH evidence and WITHOUT the fallacies.

When anyone comes forward with any facts which disqualifies Cruz from running let us all know OK?

Wait....you're suddenly interested in facts?

Well then lets discuss history. Natural born citizenship didn't include citizenship by blood at the time the constitution was ratified. But only citizenship by soil: the location of your birth.

Citizenship by blood isn't embodied in the constitution. Its granted by statute. So is citizenship that's not embodied in the constitution but instead granted by statute 'natural born citizenship'?

It depends on how you interpret the constitution.

How about the part of the Constitution that says Congress can set the rules for citizenship?

Oops! That blew your whole argument! I'm sorry!

Where does it say that in the Constitution? I am looking for that quote.

Article one

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Here is article one- where in Article one- or are you just making this crap up also?

Article I - The Legislative Branch Note

Section 1 - The Legislature
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
Section 2 - The House
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.) (The previous sentence in parentheses was modified by the 14th Amendment, section 2.) The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five and Georgia three.
When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
Section 3 - The Senate
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, (chosen by the Legislature thereof,) (The preceding words in parentheses superseded by 17th Amendment, section 1.) for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.
Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; (and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.) (The preceding words in parentheses were superseded by the 17th Amendment, section 2.)
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
Section 4 - Elections, Meetings
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of Chusing Senators.
The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall (be on the first Monday in December,) (The preceding words in parentheses were superseded by the 20th Amendment, section 2.) unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.
Section 5 - Membership, Rules, Journals, Adjournment
Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.
Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.
Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.
Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.
Section 6 - Compensation
(The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.) (The preceding words in parentheses were modified by the 27th Amendment.) They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.
No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.
Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Section 9 - Limits on Congress
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
(No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.) (Section in parentheses clarified by the 16th Amendment.)
No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.
No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.
Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

 

[Syriusly]

Strawman. No one has claimed he isn't a citizen. We're discussing if he's a naturally born citizen. For the third time....this is what we're discussing:

Is citizenship not embodied in the constitution but granted through statute 'natural born citizenship'?

Which you have yet to address. Feel free to join us if you ever muster up the courage to do so.

Law says he is a natural born citizen. Now just because you hate non white people doesn't mean you get to obscure law

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So why do you think Trump and Ann Coulter hate non-white people?

I was talking about you not them

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Trump and Coulter say that Cruz's eligibility is in question.

Do they hate non-white people?

They are lying for political reasons and feeding ignorant racists like you

LOL- see what is hilarious here is neither Skylar or I are saying Cruz is not eligible.

That would be Trump and Cruz.

So of course Tappytalk guy says that makes us 'ignorant' racists.

So you think Trump and Coulter are liars(which they are) but not racists for calling Cruz's eligibility into doubt

But we are racists- because we say Cruz is eligible.

Such is the pinnacle of Conservative logic.

 

[thanatos144]

Law says he is a natural born citizen. Now just because you hate non white people doesn't mean you get to obscure law

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So why do you think Trump and Ann Coulter hate non-white people?

I was talking about you not them

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Trump and Coulter say that Cruz's eligibility is in question.

Do they hate non-white people?

They are lying for political reasons and feeding ignorant racists like you

LOL- see what is hilarious here is neither Skylar or I are saying Cruz is not eligible.

That would be Trump and Cruz.

So of course Tappytalk guy says that makes us 'ignorant' racists.

So you think Trump and Coulter are liars(which they are) but not racists for calling Cruz's eligibility into doubt

But we are racists- because we say Cruz is eligible.

Such is the pinnacle of Conservative logic.

Just logic

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[Skylar]

And where did I ever say otherwise? The question isn't if Cruz is a citizen. He clearly is. The question is if citizenship not embodied in the constitution but granted through statute is 'natural born citizenship'?

You following Gomer?

Apparently you dont. The law says he is a citizen. Period. End of discussion

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Strawman. No one has claimed he isn't a citizen. We're discussing if he's a naturally born citizen. For the third time....this is what we're discussing:

Is citizenship not embodied in the constitution but granted through statute 'natural born citizenship'?

Which you have yet to address. Feel free to join us if you ever muster up the courage to do so.

You agree that Ted Cruz is a United States citizen, correct?

Absolutely. No one I've seen has said otherwise. If you believe I have, quote me.

There are only two types of citizenship: natural born and naturalized.

Under our current law, absolutely. But citizenship embodied by the constitution? There's only citizenship by soil. Citizenship by blood is granted through statute and not embodied in the constitution.

So the question is....is citizenship not embodied in the constitution but granted through statute 'natural born citizenship'?

By the standards of originalism (which Cruz uses), probably not. As originalism (also known as 'jurisprudence by original intent) the constitution and its terms are gleaned by understanding what the founders understood them to mean when they ratified it. And citizenship by blood was not embodied in the constitution. But came after.

If you're using a 'living document' interpretation of the constitution then laws that came after can be used instead of the original intent of the founders.

By Cruz's own standards...he's probably not eligible.

See how easy that was?

Forget for a second that I taught American Government to high school students and know the Constitution like the back of my hand. Tell me where it says anything of the sort!

Laughing...I'll definitely try and forget your half assed attempt at an Appeal to Authority fallacy.

You just keep repeating this as though it were true. It is not!

Then refute my argument. I'm not citing me. I'm citing the Supreme Court, James Madison, and the US State Department. First, the Supreme Court in Wong Kim Ark discussing the meaning of 'natural born' in the US Constitution:

The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called "ligealty," "obedience," "faith," or "power" of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark

Which indicates that per English Common Law place of birth defines natural born status. And demonstrates the intregal link between allegiance and natural born status.

Next is James Madison, 'Father of the Constitution' who elegantly described the maxims of allegience following PLACE of birth in the United States.

It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.

Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2: James Madison, House of Representatives

And finally the State Department, demonstrating that birth by blood is not embodied in the Constitution. But instead is granted by statute only.

Jus sanguinis (the law of the bloodline) - a concept of Roman or civil law under which a person’s citizenship is determined by the citizenship of one or both parents. This rule, frequently called “citizenship by descent” or “derivative citizenship”, is not embodied in the U.S. Constitution, but such citizenship is granted through statute. As U.S. laws have changed, the requirements for conferring and retaining derivative citizenship have also changed.'

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf

And your reply is 'uh-uh'. I can see why you used to be an American government teacher.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The GOP vetted Cruz with a fine toothed comb trying to find anything to disqualify him from running for President. They couldn't find anything AND the WANTED TO!
Go climb on another fucking dead horse asshole!
Still wearing your 'Hands Up Don't Shoot' T- shirt in public? Thought not. Fucking stupid Bonobo loser!

And his Canadian birth certificate? Someone found THAT. Game changer. Big time.

his place of birth is less concern than the length of time growing up and how long it took to give up his canadian citizenship, for the sake of politics.

Being born on a military hospital and being raised as an american, you have an identity and concern for america. Raised canadian you have a split love, and somewhere down the line you might favor, knowingly or not, canada.

I served america but I still love my home where I grew up. It is natural when so much of you was molded some other place. Half a life, of even a quarter, has a profound effect on who you are. Canada is a friend and neighbor, but who knows what will come across a president's desk in the future.

How may people ate second, third, even youth generation that still feel a need to return, and in some cases muslims that choose to fight to somehow prove their religion. You spend a lot of time or been raised with stories of a home over there, it leaves a mark.

If not for politics he would not have considered a conflict and given up his citizenship. It was not like deciding at 18 who you are.

I think that Cruz is eligible- but not qualified.

Certainly it is legitimate for voters to decide whether his birth in Canada matters to them.

Why is he not qualified?

I think he is not qualified because of his lack of executive experience, and because of his radical conservative agenda- but this is entirely my personal opinion- and of course each voter should- and does- decide whether a candidate is qualified for an elected office.

But he is certainly eligible.

That is not the qualifications set forth in the Constitution. A you said, those are your personal beliefs, but you cannot say he is not qualified.

That is not what "qualified" means in this case.

 

[Syriusly]

So why do you think Trump and Ann Coulter hate non-white people?

I was talking about you not them

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Trump and Coulter say that Cruz's eligibility is in question.

Do they hate non-white people?

They are lying for political reasons and feeding ignorant racists like you

LOL- see what is hilarious here is neither Skylar or I are saying Cruz is not eligible.

That would be Trump and Cruz.

So of course Tappytalk guy says that makes us 'ignorant' racists.

So you think Trump and Coulter are liars(which they are) but not racists for calling Cruz's eligibility into doubt

But we are racists- because we say Cruz is eligible.

Such is the pinnacle of Conservative logic.

Just logic

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That is an insult to the concept of logic

LOL- see what is hilarious here is neither Skylar or I are saying Cruz is not eligible.

That would be Trump and Cruz.

So of course Tappytalk guy says that makes us 'ignorant' racists.

So you think Trump and Coulter are liars(which they are) but not racists for calling Cruz's eligibility into doubt

But we are racists- because we say Cruz is eligible.

Such is the pinnacle of Conservative logic.

 

[dannyboys]

Law says he is a natural born citizen. Now just because you hate non white people doesn't mean you get to obscure law

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So why do you think Trump and Ann Coulter hate non-white people?

I was talking about you not them

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Trump and Coulter say that Cruz's eligibility is in question.

Do they hate non-white people?

They are lying for political reasons and feeding ignorant racists like you

LOL- see what is hilarious here is neither Skylar or I are saying Cruz is not eligible.

That would be Trump and Cruz.

So of course Tappytalk guy says that makes us 'ignorant' racists.

So you think Trump and Coulter are liars(which they are) but not racists for calling Cruz's eligibility into doubt

But we are racists- because we say Cruz is eligible.

Such is the pinnacle of Conservative logic.

That's enough out of your ignorant mouth.
You're boring with your childish circular arguments. Are you on the fucking rag?
Permanent Ignore

 

[Syriusly]

And his Canadian birth certificate? Someone found THAT. Game changer. Big time.

his place of birth is less concern than the length of time growing up and how long it took to give up his canadian citizenship, for the sake of politics.

Being born on a military hospital and being raised as an american, you have an identity and concern for america. Raised canadian you have a split love, and somewhere down the line you might favor, knowingly or not, canada.

I served america but I still love my home where I grew up. It is natural when so much of you was molded some other place. Half a life, of even a quarter, has a profound effect on who you are. Canada is a friend and neighbor, but who knows what will come across a president's desk in the future.

How may people ate second, third, even youth generation that still feel a need to return, and in some cases muslims that choose to fight to somehow prove their religion. You spend a lot of time or been raised with stories of a home over there, it leaves a mark.

If not for politics he would not have considered a conflict and given up his citizenship. It was not like deciding at 18 who you are.

I think that Cruz is eligible- but not qualified.

Certainly it is legitimate for voters to decide whether his birth in Canada matters to them.

Why is he not qualified?

I think he is not qualified because of his lack of executive experience, and because of his radical conservative agenda- but this is entirely my personal opinion- and of course each voter should- and does- decide whether a candidate is qualified for an elected office.

But he is certainly eligible.

That is not the qualifications set forth in the Constitution. A you said, those are your personal beliefs, but you cannot say he is not qualified.

That is not what "qualified" means in this case.

Eligible is not the same thing as Qualified.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States


Simple Definition of qualified
Popularity: Bottom 50% of words

• : having the necessary skill, experience, or knowledge to do a particular job or activity : having the qualifications to do something

Cruz is eligible- even if he is not qualified.

 

[Syriusly]

So why do you think Trump and Ann Coulter hate non-white people?

I was talking about you not them

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Trump and Coulter say that Cruz's eligibility is in question.

Do they hate non-white people?

They are lying for political reasons and feeding ignorant racists like you

LOL- see what is hilarious here is neither Skylar or I are saying Cruz is not eligible.

That would be Trump and Cruz.

So of course Tappytalk guy says that makes us 'ignorant' racists.

So you think Trump and Coulter are liars(which they are) but not racists for calling Cruz's eligibility into doubt

But we are racists- because we say Cruz is eligible.

Such is the pinnacle of Conservative logic.

That's enough out of your ignorant mouth.
You're boring with your childish circular arguments. Are you on the fucking rag?
Permanent Ignore

Ah poor little bigot runs away in fear........lol

 

[thanatos144]

When anyone comes forward with any facts which disqualifies Cruz from running let us all know OK?

Wait....you're suddenly interested in facts?

Well then lets discuss history. Natural born citizenship didn't include citizenship by blood at the time the constitution was ratified. But only citizenship by soil: the location of your birth.

Citizenship by blood isn't embodied in the constitution. Its granted by statute. So is citizenship that's not embodied in the constitution but instead granted by statute 'natural born citizenship'?

It depends on how you interpret the constitution.

How about the part of the Constitution that says Congress can set the rules for citizenship?

Oops! That blew your whole argument! I'm sorry!

Where does it say that in the Constitution? I am looking for that quote.

Article one

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Here is article one- where in Article one- or are you just making this crap up also?

Article I - The Legislative Branch Note

Section 1 - The Legislature
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
Section 2 - The House
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.) (The previous sentence in parentheses was modified by the 14th Amendment, section 2.) The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five and Georgia three.
When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
Section 3 - The Senate
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, (chosen by the Legislature thereof,) (The preceding words in parentheses superseded by 17th Amendment, section 1.) for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.
Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; (and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.) (The preceding words in parentheses were superseded by the 17th Amendment, section 2.)
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
Section 4 - Elections, Meetings
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of Chusing Senators.
The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall (be on the first Monday in December,) (The preceding words in parentheses were superseded by the 20th Amendment, section 2.) unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.
Section 5 - Membership, Rules, Journals, Adjournment
Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.
Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.
Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.
Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.
Section 6 - Compensation
(The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.) (The preceding words in parentheses were modified by the 27th Amendment.) They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.
No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.
Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Section 9 - Limits on Congress
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
(No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.) (Section in parentheses clarified by the 16th Amendment.)
No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.
No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.
Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Really? why don't you actually read what you post

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[Skylar]

And his Canadian birth certificate? Someone found THAT. Game changer. Big time.

his place of birth is less concern than the length of time growing up and how long it took to give up his canadian citizenship, for the sake of politics.

Being born on a military hospital and being raised as an american, you have an identity and concern for america. Raised canadian you have a split love, and somewhere down the line you might favor, knowingly or not, canada.

I served america but I still love my home where I grew up. It is natural when so much of you was molded some other place. Half a life, of even a quarter, has a profound effect on who you are. Canada is a friend and neighbor, but who knows what will come across a president's desk in the future.

How may people ate second, third, even youth generation that still feel a need to return, and in some cases muslims that choose to fight to somehow prove their religion. You spend a lot of time or been raised with stories of a home over there, it leaves a mark.

If not for politics he would not have considered a conflict and given up his citizenship. It was not like deciding at 18 who you are.

I think that Cruz is eligible- but not qualified.

Certainly it is legitimate for voters to decide whether his birth in Canada matters to them.

Why is he not qualified?

I think he is not qualified because of his lack of executive experience, and because of his radical conservative agenda- but this is entirely my personal opinion- and of course each voter should- and does- decide whether a candidate is qualified for an elected office.

But he is certainly eligible.

That is not the qualifications set forth in the Constitution. A you said, those are your personal beliefs, but you cannot say he is not qualified.

That is not what "qualified" means in this case.

Actually, the US constitution never uses the word 'qualfied' or any variant of it in reference to who can be president. Which you'd know if you'd ever bothered to read the document. Here's your chance to read the relevant portion:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official Text

The word the constitution uses...is 'eligible'. Twice, actually. Which, unsurprisingly is the word that Sy used.

So why would I ignore the Constitution and the terms it uses....and instead believe you and those terms you imagine were used?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Apparently you dont. The law says he is a citizen. Period. End of discussion

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Strawman. No one has claimed he isn't a citizen. We're discussing if he's a naturally born citizen. For the third time....this is what we're discussing:

Is citizenship not embodied in the constitution but granted through statute 'natural born citizenship'?

Which you have yet to address. Feel free to join us if you ever muster up the courage to do so.

You agree that Ted Cruz is a United States citizen, correct?

Absolutely. No one I've seen has said otherwise. If you believe I have, quote me.

There are only two types of citizenship: natural born and naturalized.

Under our current law, absolutely. But citizenship embodied by the constitution? There's only citizenship by soil. Citizenship by blood is granted through statute and not embodied in the constitution.

So the question is....is citizenship not embodied in the constitution but granted through statute 'natural born citizenship'?

By the standards of originalism (which Cruz uses), probably not. As originalism (also known as 'jurisprudence by original intent) the constitution and its terms are gleaned by understanding what the founders understood them to mean when they ratified it. And citizenship by blood was not embodied in the constitution. But came after.

If you're using a 'living document' interpretation of the constitution then laws that came after can be used instead of the original intent of the founders.

By Cruz's own standards...he's probably not eligible.

See how easy that was?

Forget for a second that I taught American Government to high school students and know the Constitution like the back of my hand. Tell me where it says anything of the sort!

Laughing...I'll definitely try and forget your half assed attempt at an Appeal to Authority fallacy.

You just keep repeating this as though it were true. It is not!

Then refute my argument. I'm not citing me. I'm citing the Supreme Court, James Madison, and the US State Department. First, the Supreme Court in Wong Kim Ark discussing the meaning of 'natural born' in the US Constitution:

The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called "ligealty," "obedience," "faith," or "power" of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark

Which indicates that per English Common Law place of birth defines natural born status. And demonstrates the intregal link between allegiance and natural born status.

Next is James Madison, 'Father of the Constitution' who elegantly described the maxims of allegience following PLACE of birth in the United States.

It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.

Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2: James Madison, House of Representatives

And finally the State Department, demonstrating that birth by blood is not embodied in the Constitution. But instead is granted by statute only.

Jus sanguinis (the law of the bloodline) - a concept of Roman or civil law under which a person’s citizenship is determined by the citizenship of one or both parents. This rule, frequently called “citizenship by descent” or “derivative citizenship”, is not embodied in the U.S. Constitution, but such citizenship is granted through statute. As U.S. laws have changed, the requirements for conferring and retaining derivative citizenship have also changed.'

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf

And your reply is 'uh-uh'. I can see why you used to be an American government teacher.

None of those you quoted are in the Constitution.

Not that I have to explain it to you, but the reason I no longer teach those classes is that I am a mathematics teacher also. Any nimrod thinks they can teach government. I'll bet you think you could! You are simply jealous because you have no authority for which anyone could appeal.

You obviously cannot read for comprehension because when I asked for the applicable part of the Constitution you responded with a USSC case, a quote by Madison, and a state Department manual.

Those are not the US Constitution! They have no force of law.

I'll bet you are one of those who cite the Declaration of Independence as law, when in fact it is just a break-up letter.

So, shall we try again for possible penetration of an apparently thick skull.

What is the applicable part of the Constitution of the United States that states Ted Cruz is not eligible to be President of the United States?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

his place of birth is less concern than the length of time growing up and how long it took to give up his canadian citizenship, for the sake of politics.

Being born on a military hospital and being raised as an american, you have an identity and concern for america. Raised canadian you have a split love, and somewhere down the line you might favor, knowingly or not, canada.

I served america but I still love my home where I grew up. It is natural when so much of you was molded some other place. Half a life, of even a quarter, has a profound effect on who you are. Canada is a friend and neighbor, but who knows what will come across a president's desk in the future.

How may people ate second, third, even youth generation that still feel a need to return, and in some cases muslims that choose to fight to somehow prove their religion. You spend a lot of time or been raised with stories of a home over there, it leaves a mark.

If not for politics he would not have considered a conflict and given up his citizenship. It was not like deciding at 18 who you are.

I think that Cruz is eligible- but not qualified.

Certainly it is legitimate for voters to decide whether his birth in Canada matters to them.

Why is he not qualified?

I think he is not qualified because of his lack of executive experience, and because of his radical conservative agenda- but this is entirely my personal opinion- and of course each voter should- and does- decide whether a candidate is qualified for an elected office.

But he is certainly eligible.

That is not the qualifications set forth in the Constitution. A you said, those are your personal beliefs, but you cannot say he is not qualified.

That is not what "qualified" means in this case.

Actually, the US constitution never uses the word 'qualfied' or any variant of it in reference to who can be president. Which you'd know if you'd ever bothered to read the document. Here's your chance to read the relevant portion:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official Text

The word the constitution uses...is 'eligible'. Twice, actually. Which, unsurprisingly is the word that Sy used.

So why would I ignore the Constitution and the terms it uses....and instead believe you and those terms you imagine were used?

Touche. I know you had to look that up!

Now, answer the question that you continuously avoid like the Plague.

 

[Syriusly]

Wait....you're suddenly interested in facts?

Well then lets discuss history. Natural born citizenship didn't include citizenship by blood at the time the constitution was ratified. But only citizenship by soil: the location of your birth.

Citizenship by blood isn't embodied in the constitution. Its granted by statute. So is citizenship that's not embodied in the constitution but instead granted by statute 'natural born citizenship'?

It depends on how you interpret the constitution.

How about the part of the Constitution that says Congress can set the rules for citizenship?

Oops! That blew your whole argument! I'm sorry!

Where does it say that in the Constitution? I am looking for that quote.

Article one

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Here is article one- where in Article one- or are you just making this crap up also?

Article I - The Legislative Branch Note

Section 1 - The Legislature
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
Section 2 - The House
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.) (The previous sentence in parentheses was modified by the 14th Amendment, section 2.) The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five and Georgia three.
When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
Section 3 - The Senate
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, (chosen by the Legislature thereof,) (The preceding words in parentheses superseded by 17th Amendment, section 1.) for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.
Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; (and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.) (The preceding words in parentheses were superseded by the 17th Amendment, section 2.)
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
Section 4 - Elections, Meetings
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of Chusing Senators.
The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall (be on the first Monday in December,) (The preceding words in parentheses were superseded by the 20th Amendment, section 2.) unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.
Section 5 - Membership, Rules, Journals, Adjournment
Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.
Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.
Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.
Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.
Section 6 - Compensation
(The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.) (The preceding words in parentheses were modified by the 27th Amendment.) They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.
No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.
Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Section 9 - Limits on Congress
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
(No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.) (Section in parentheses clarified by the 16th Amendment.)
No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.
No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.
Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Really? why don't you actually read what you post

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I am wondering why you don't read the Constitution.

I am not wondering why you are dodging the question- that is a given.

 

[Syriusly]

[Q
What is the applicable part of the Constitution of the United States that states Ted Cruz is not eligible to be President of the United States?

Why do you think Skylar is claiming that the Constitution says that?

 

[Skylar]

Strawman. No one has claimed he isn't a citizen. We're discussing if he's a naturally born citizen. For the third time....this is what we're discussing:

Is citizenship not embodied in the constitution but granted through statute 'natural born citizenship'?

Which you have yet to address. Feel free to join us if you ever muster up the courage to do so.

You agree that Ted Cruz is a United States citizen, correct?

Absolutely. No one I've seen has said otherwise. If you believe I have, quote me.

There are only two types of citizenship: natural born and naturalized.

Under our current law, absolutely. But citizenship embodied by the constitution? There's only citizenship by soil. Citizenship by blood is granted through statute and not embodied in the constitution.

So the question is....is citizenship not embodied in the constitution but granted through statute 'natural born citizenship'?

By the standards of originalism (which Cruz uses), probably not. As originalism (also known as 'jurisprudence by original intent) the constitution and its terms are gleaned by understanding what the founders understood them to mean when they ratified it. And citizenship by blood was not embodied in the constitution. But came after.

If you're using a 'living document' interpretation of the constitution then laws that came after can be used instead of the original intent of the founders.

By Cruz's own standards...he's probably not eligible.

See how easy that was?

Forget for a second that I taught American Government to high school students and know the Constitution like the back of my hand. Tell me where it says anything of the sort!

Laughing...I'll definitely try and forget your half assed attempt at an Appeal to Authority fallacy.

You just keep repeating this as though it were true. It is not!

Then refute my argument. I'm not citing me. I'm citing the Supreme Court, James Madison, and the US State Department. First, the Supreme Court in Wong Kim Ark discussing the meaning of 'natural born' in the US Constitution:

The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called "ligealty," "obedience," "faith," or "power" of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark

Which indicates that per English Common Law place of birth defines natural born status. And demonstrates the intregal link between allegiance and natural born status.

Next is James Madison, 'Father of the Constitution' who elegantly described the maxims of allegience following PLACE of birth in the United States.

It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.

Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2: James Madison, House of Representatives

And finally the State Department, demonstrating that birth by blood is not embodied in the Constitution. But instead is granted by statute only.

Jus sanguinis (the law of the bloodline) - a concept of Roman or civil law under which a person’s citizenship is determined by the citizenship of one or both parents. This rule, frequently called “citizenship by descent” or “derivative citizenship”, is not embodied in the U.S. Constitution, but such citizenship is granted through statute. As U.S. laws have changed, the requirements for conferring and retaining derivative citizenship have also changed.'

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf

And your reply is 'uh-uh'. I can see why you used to be an American government teacher.

None of those you quoted are in the Constitution.

As has been pointed out repeatedly, the Constitution doesn't define natural born citizenship. Which you'd know if you'd read it. With the Supreme Court recognizing these terms must be gleaned from English Common Law:

The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark

To which you again reply 'uh-uh'. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Supreme Court on how to glean the meaning of terms the constitution uses but doesn't define. Not you.

As would any rational person.

So, shall we try again for possible penetration of an apparently thick skull.

What is the applicable part of the Constitution of the United States that states Ted Cruz is not eligible to be President of the United States?

If we're using the originalist intepretation of the constitution, it would be the natural born citizen requirement. Which would be Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5.

And since the constitution doesn't define the term 'natural born' (as has been explained to you slowly and repeatedly), we have to go elsewhere to find out the meaning.

To which your reply is still 'uh-uh'.

 

[Skylar]

I think that Cruz is eligible- but not qualified.

Certainly it is legitimate for voters to decide whether his birth in Canada matters to them.

Why is he not qualified?

I think he is not qualified because of his lack of executive experience, and because of his radical conservative agenda- but this is entirely my personal opinion- and of course each voter should- and does- decide whether a candidate is qualified for an elected office.

But he is certainly eligible.

That is not the qualifications set forth in the Constitution. A you said, those are your personal beliefs, but you cannot say he is not qualified.

That is not what "qualified" means in this case.

Actually, the US constitution never uses the word 'qualfied' or any variant of it in reference to who can be president. Which you'd know if you'd ever bothered to read the document. Here's your chance to read the relevant portion:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official Text

The word the constitution uses...is 'eligible'. Twice, actually. Which, unsurprisingly is the word that Sy used.

So why would I ignore the Constitution and the terms it uses....and instead believe you and those terms you imagine were used?

Touche. I know you had to look that up!

A long time again, sure. But not lately. As we've actually fact checked our claims.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

[Q
What is the applicable part of the Constitution of the United States that states Ted Cruz is not eligible to be President of the United States?

Why do you think Skylar is claiming that the Constitution says that?

He claims only birthright of the soil is contained therein and I want to prove he is full of

 

[Syriusly]

[Q
What is the applicable part of the Constitution of the United States that states Ted Cruz is not eligible to be President of the United States?

Why do you think Skylar is claiming that the Constitution says that?

He claims only birthright of the soil is contained therein and I want to prove he is full of

No he doesn't.

He has clearly stated otherwise by pointing out the analysis of Wong Kim Ark.

Really- do not get the issue Skylar is raising?

Hint: Skylar is not saying Cruz is ineligible.